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So - we are going to base our importance attached to the issue... on the careers of the famous people involved? I'm no Nelson fan, and I can't stand Glover as an actor... but this is about them as HUMAN BEINGS with recognisable faces... not as the roles they play or the songs they sing.

Well, it's easy to say that actors and musicians that engage in political activism do rely heavily on their perceived persona. That somehow, because they are rich actors and musicians, they are more endowed with an ability to make judgments than we mere mortals. If you want a good taste of this kind of attitude, just read Barbara Streisand's website.

Personally, if the news were reporting more views from ordinary, everyday people, I would have a much easier time listening to their opinions - "let's ask the man or woman in the street what they think of..."

I don't care how good or bad they are as actors and actresses - and I could care less about their opinions.

And yet, everytime on the Congressional floor, the vote keeps coming up negative on withdrawing the troops. Seems like Congress has the right idea about not leaving till the job is done or until IRAQ TELLS US TO LEAVE. The Iraqi government has not done so.

So Sheehan is just wasting her time with this hunger strike for it isn't going to do any good whatsoever.

Strange to relate - there are a number of ways in which the Washington elect are different to their constituents 'back home'.

Congress is largely controlled by The Dick and Bush Party, and the 'whips' tell their people which way to vote. It is a joke to pretend that government is 'democratic' at it's highest level.

However - if there is ENOUGH pressure from the constituents, even Congressmen have been known to 'buck the system'... and that kind of 'grassroots' politics is just the sort of product Sheehan sells.

*snip

Then explain why numerous Democrats continue to vote NO in the US Senate? Be advised that many of them opposed the war but yet have never voted to withdraw them from Iraq.

Well, it's easy to say that actors and musicians that engage in political activism do rely heavily on their perceived persona. That somehow, because they are rich actors and musicians, they are more endowed with an ability to make judgments than we mere mortals. If you want a good taste of this kind of attitude, just read Barbara Streisand's website.

Personally, if the news were reporting more views from ordinary, everyday people, I would have a much easier time listening to their opinions - "let's ask the man or woman in the street what they think of..."

I don't care how good or bad they are as actors and actresses - and I could care less about their opinions.

I wonder how true that is... after all, Sheehan is 'the man or woman in the street', and a alot of people seem to discount her opinion just as quickly as they do the opinions of the glitterati.

Fortunately - I have NEVER read Barbar Streisand's website... and I'd need a better reason than the possible "Collapse of Western Civilisation Under the Weight of Islamist Terror" (TM) to do so.

I think the George Clooneys and Willy Nelsons of the world DO rely on their stage personas a little... but mainly, they rely on the fact that people ask them things... all the time. They are identified voices, recognisable faces.

Lol well this hunger strike appears to have gotten what it wanted ... attention... thanks partly on the efforts of Eut.

Then explain why numerous Democrats continue to vote NO in the US Senate? Be advised that many of them opposed the war but yet have never voted to withdraw them from Iraq.

Have you been paying no attention? The Democrats are not presenting a united front (no big surprises there), and are arguing for a number of DIFFERENT exit strategies... which means they are all opposing each other.

Not that the Republican majority NEEDS the Democrat lack of unity...

Lol well this hunger strike appears to have gotten what it wanted ... attention... thanks partly on the efforts of Eut.

Yep. Eut is practically her publicist on this one, at least as far as NS is concerned... :D

Yep. Eut is practically her publicist on this one, at least as far as NS is concerned... :D
No shit I had not even heard of this before he brought it up ... I know I have been busy working double shifts but still.

very lucid point

Well I have my moments.

I do find it extremely hilarious that people will say, "Oh those Hollyweird actors and hippie musicians need to stfu", but will agree 100% with Ronald Reagan, Charles Heston, and Ted Nugent.

I giggle in thy general direction!

Incidently, one does not stop being an American citizen protected by the First Amendment when one does a film or produces a song.

I do find it extremely hilarious that people will say, "Oh those Hollyweird actors and hippie musicians need to stfu", but will agree 100% with Ronald Reagan, Charles Heston, and Ted Nugent.

I giggle in thy general direction!

Incidently, one does not stop being an American citizen protected by the First Amendment when one does a film or produces a song.

True, but for me personally, I wouldn't advocate silencing them with the power of government. Some of them just come off as both hypocritical and annoying to me - on both sides. I admire people like Angelina because at least she gets more involved in what she believes in than other celebrities/politicians who just talk about it and then go back to their extravagant lifestyle

I do find it extremely hilarious that people will say, "Oh those Hollyweird actors and hippie musicians need to stfu", but will agree 100% with Ronald Reagan, Charles Heston, and Ted Nugent.

I giggle in thy general direction!

Incidently, one does not stop being an American citizen protected by the First Amendment when one does a film or produces a song.

Ronald Reagan is dead, Charlton Heston has Alzheimers, and Ted is a nutcase.

Sure, you still have the First Amendment as a pop star, but you don't have the right to be covered by the news just because you have an opinion.

Ronald Reagan is dead, Charlton Heston has Alzheimers, and Ted is a nutcase.

Sure, you still have the First Amendment as a pop star, but you don't have the right to be covered by the news just because you have an opinion.

Which is an issue of circulation, not rights.

Yep. Eut is practically her publicist on this one, at least as far as NS is concerned... :D
Ah, Cindy Sheehan, the bitch I love to bash! :D

Which is an issue of circulation, not rights.
Which is my point - famous people have every right to be idiot darlings of the Democrats (and the occasional Republican).

I just don't want to see news channels covering their "story", because it's not news. Nor do I expect to see news websites (and that includes news-oriented blogs) or newspapers or news TV channels covering the latest spew from one actor or another, or what stupid thing they're doing today (whether it's mounting a one-man boat patrol to rescue New Orleans or tying yourself into a treetop).

If I acted like an ass in public, I wouldn't be on TV, and the police would not be very amused when they got me out of the tree. Of course, I'm not a tall, good looking famous blonde actress, which evidently in our egalitarian society is major bonus points for different civil rights.

Ah, Cindy Sheehan, the bitch I love to bash! :D

Is that some kind of euphemism?

Is that some kind of euphemism?
I believe it is, although I am certain that in order for it to happen, you would have to put a bag over Cindy's head, and another bag over Eut's head, in case the first one breaks.

Which is my point - famous people have every right to be idiot darlings of the Democrats (and the occasional Republican).

I just don't want to see news channels covering their "story", because it's not news. Nor do I expect to see news websites (and that includes news-oriented blogs) or newspapers or news TV channels covering the latest spew from one actor or another, or what stupid thing they're doing today (whether it's mounting a one-man boat patrol to rescue New Orleans or tying yourself into a treetop).

If I acted like an ass in public, I wouldn't be on TV, and the police would not be very amused when they got me out of the tree. Of course, I'm not a tall, good looking famous blonde actress, which evidently in our egalitarian society is major bonus points for different civil rights.

The simple answer is - don't read/watch the media. They are going to put whichever faces 'on the cover' that will sell copy. It's that simple.

As to the 'acting like an ass' in public... you are obviously missing the fact that Sheehan is a golden example of how wrong you are... you may think she has 'acted like an ass'... but that is WHY she is know a 'celebrity'. Maybe if you had a point worth making, and the courage of your convictions, it would be YOU among the'talking heads'.

I find it humorous that you think celebrities are only of interest to Democrats...

I'm honestly really bothered by the upsurge of eliminationist rhetoric from the pro-war camp. I guess it's considered okay to wish death on those who disagree with us, now? Sorry, but I think that's just pathetic, not to mention profoundly unAmerican.

I'm sure everyone remembers sheehan embracing Hugo Chavez not too long ago, and proclaiming how she supports him in his political ways?
HOW AMERICAN! *sarcasm*
yeah, Ann Caulter was right. These people take tragedy and turn it into a political circus stunt so they can get all of the attention to what they say. I know she means well, but DAMN, do it in a much more tasteful way. Support the troops by saying, "Yeah, kick some ass over there, WIN and come home. " Not, "give up now, surrender, cut and run home." Especially after what those bastards did to our missing two soldiers a few days ago. No, we finish this. The right way. WIth force.

Is that some kind of euphemism?
Probably. :D

I believe it is, although I am certain that in order for it to happen, you would have to put a bag over Cindy's head, and another bag over Eut's head, in case the first one breaks.

There's a mental image to stop me sleeping...

by the way.
who is paying for all of her "spur of the moment" trips everywhere?

I believe it is, although I am certain that in order for it to happen, you would have to put a bag over Cindy's head, and another bag over Eut's head, in case the first one breaks.
**SHRIEK!*** RUN AWAY!!!

This thread would've been far more appropriately titled, "Maybe I'll get lucky, etc. etc. " - as clearly, exceptionally few others actually agree with the whackjob OP.

by the way.
who is paying for all of her "spur of the moment" trips everywhere?
Good question!

This thread would've been far more appropriately titled, "Maybe I'll get lucky, etc. etc. " - as clearly, exceptionally few others actually agree with the whackjob OP.
So now I'm a "whackjob?" :eek:

There's a mental image to stop me sleeping...
ME TOO!!! :eek: :headbang:

Hooah Eutrusca!

These people aren't Gandhi. They have no right to dishonor Gandhi's image.

So now I'm a "whackjob?" :eek:
"now"?

There's a mental image to stop me sleeping...

It's my job, it seems, to construe mental images that make people vomit or become insomniacs.

Sure, you still have the First Amendment as a pop star, but you don't have the right to be covered by the news just because you have an opinion.

No, that comes with fame. The more famous you are, the more the news cameras are going to turn towards you when you say anything. I mean anything.

I can walk outside my house right now and say something political, but nobody would hear me or give a rat's ass. Put me in a $100,000,000 summer blockbuster and nearly everyone will hear me.

Not because I have more right to be heard, but because of the national obsession with celebrity. It's what happens when you don't have a royal family to oggle. Welcome to America.

270+ posts wasted on someone who is criticized for being an attention whore. Who is more foolish, the attention whore or the men who nurture her attention?

These people aren't Gandhi. They have no right to dishonor Gandhi's image.
Very true. Ghandi was a very honorable man, by all accounts.

No, that comes with fame. The more famous you are, the more the news cameras are going to turn towards you when you say anything. I mean anything.

I can walk outside my house right now and say something political, but nobody would hear me or give a rat's ass. Put me in a $100,000,000 summer blockbuster and nearly everyone will hear me.

Not because I have more right to be heard, but because of the national obsession with celebrity. It's what happens when you don't have a royal family to oggle. Welcome to America.
It's called vicarious living via celebrity. I feel deeply sorry for those who live their lives like acolytes. :(

270+ posts wasted on someone who is criticized for being an attention whore. Who is more foolish, the attention whore or the men who nurture her attention?
To me, it's just good, clean fun! :D

by the way.
who is paying for all of her "spur of the moment" trips everywhere?

Donations from supporters. Mostly through the Crawford Peace House.

http://crawfordpeace.nfshost.com/

Their financial records are public domain.

To me, it's just good, clean fun! :D

Well, it looks a tad like hypocrisy is all. I mean it's like if i criticized someone for being too wealthy, right before I gave them free money.

It's called vicarious living via celebrity. I feel deeply sorry for those who live their lives like acolytes. :(

No - it's just part of the human condition. The easiest thing to do is take orders, and believe what you are told. And, we look towards authority figures, but most are too lazy to discriminate... so anything that LOOKS right (read - familiar) makes a good icon to follow.

That's not to say it MUST be a bad thing... someone like Clooney DOES make a good speaker, and a good representative - because his 'job' is all ABOUT making vocal points, and convincing gestures.

It's the Cult of Personality.

Donations from supporters. Mostly through the Crawford Peace House.

http://crawfordpeace.nfshost.com/

Their financial records are public domain.
I'll bet he was hoping it was at taxpayers' expense - y'know, more incredulous kindling for the inevitable neocon bonfire and all that.

Ah, Cindy Sheehan, the bitch I love to bash! :D
And thusly, you feed your spiritual malady.

I'll bet he was hoping it was at taxpayers' expense - y'know, more incredulous kindling for the inevitable neocon bonfire and all that.

no no.
just courious. Just like all of the "peace protests" back during the 60s and early 70s.

Donations from supporters. Mostly through the Crawford Peace House.

http://crawfordpeace.nfshost.com/

Their financial records are public domain.

According to a Washington Post article from last summer, her entire entourage was organized (but not paid for) by DNC representatives. This includes the selection of her publicist.

If she were truly doing this on her own, I would have more respect. But the shills and hacks are using her - and I find that despicable.

no no.
just courious. Just like all of the "peace protests" back during the 60s and early 70s.

Now those were generally funded by drug sales or, unwittingly, by some hippie's well-off parents. Or they weren't funded at all. Just a bunch of bored college kids streaking campus or somesuch.

Having been to a few Sheehan rallies, thank whatever you believe to be divine and holy that they don't streak.

According to a Washington Post article from last summer, her entire entourage was organized (but not paid for) by DNC representatives. This includes the selection of her publicist.

If she were truly doing this on her own, I would have more respect. But the shills and hacks are using her - and I find that despicable.

So... she had help organising her entourage? The 'message' is still her own. And, if you follow the money, it seems like she isn't so much of a pawn to the Washington crowd. You can hardly begrudge her accepting aid from ANY quarter...

According to a Washington Post article from last summer, her entire entourage was organized (but not paid for) by DNC representatives. This includes the selection of her publicist.

It's possible. Frankly, I don't know. I have seen the list of donors.

If she were truly doing this on her own, I would have more respect.

I doubt that'd be possible. It takes a lot of money to move around that much and organize things. When she started, she was on her own. But, the more attention you get, the more checks come in the mail from people who agree with you.

So... she had help organising her entourage? The 'message' is still her own. And, if you follow the money, it seems like she isn't so much of a pawn to the Washington crowd. You can hardly begrudge her accepting aid from ANY quarter...

As soon as her general visibility in the media dropped, most of the people who were using her as a pawn let her go.

She's more on her own now than she was last year, when they were writing speeches for her.

Well, it looks a tad like hypocrisy is all. I mean it's like if i criticized someone for being too wealthy, right before I gave them free money.
LOL! So I'm a hyocrite for basing the dishonorable Ms. Sheehan on an Internet forum in which less than 0.000001 percent of the world's population participates? Wow! :D

As soon as her general visibility in the media dropped, most of the people who were using her as a pawn let her go.

She's more on her own now than she was last year, when they were writing speeches for her.

So - you are much more sympathetic to her cause, this year?

Now those were generally funded by drug sales or, unwittingly, by some hippie's well-off parents. Or they weren't funded at all. Just a bunch of bored college kids streaking campus or somesuch.

Having been to a few Sheehan rallies, thank whatever you believe to be divine and holy that they don't streak.

well, from what recently declassified from the Kremlin's
communist national archives, a lot of them were sponsored by Commie
groups with direct connections to the Kremlin.
just wondering if history is repeating itself.
( Dont ask me to go and find it all now. I'm
not gonna jump on a plane and fly to Moscow.
The records are there and they did mention this
on the news.) When i can I will go and check em out.

So... she had help organising her entourage? The 'message' is still her own. And, if you follow the money, it seems like she isn't so much of a pawn to the Washington crowd. You can hardly begrudge her accepting aid from ANY quarter...
Especially from dummy non-profits whose primary source of "income" consists of donations from Muslim extremists. Ha!

LOL! So I'm a hyocrite for basing the dishonorable Ms. Sheehan on an Internet forum in which less than 0.000001 percent of the world's population participates? Wow! :D

Yes. Hypocrisy is hypocrisy.

It doesn't matter that you only give her a "little" attention. Each single individual who supports her only gives her a "little" attention each.
Combined, you all make up the rather large amount of attention she has gotten.

So - you are much more sympathetic to her cause, this year?

Yes. I would have been even more so, if she had paid for the whole thing herself, and was entirely alone without an entourage.

I see a lot of protesters in DC - they're always downtown. I have a lot more respect for one person with a message - and am almost never impressed by "Million Idiot Marches" organized by hacks and shills. I'll actually sit down and listen to individual protesters at Lafayette Park.

No - it's just part of the human condition. The easiest thing to do is take orders, and believe what you are told. And, we look towards authority figures, but most are too lazy to discriminate... so anything that LOOKS right (read - familiar) makes a good icon to follow.

That's not to say it MUST be a bad thing... someone like Clooney DOES make a good speaker, and a good representative - because his 'job' is all ABOUT making vocal points, and convincing gestures.

It's the Cult of Personality.
Which basically sucks big, red donkey penii, just like George Clooney. [ hurls ]

Especially from dummy non-profits whose primary source of "income" consists of donations from Muslim extremists. Ha!

Random, much?

Or - are you seriously putting this particular 'conspiracy theory' on the table?

Yes. I would have been even more so, if she had paid for the whole thing herself, and was entirely alone without an entourage.

I see a lot of protesters in DC - they're always downtown. I have a lot more respect for one person with a message - and am almost never impressed by "Million Idiot Marches" organized by hacks and shills. I'll actually sit down and listen to individual protesters at Lafayette Park.
Kewl! Perhaps I'll vist Lafayette Park periodically and protest the protestors. Heh! [ evil grin ]

Random, much?

Or - are you seriously putting this particular 'conspiracy theory' on the table?
It's a bald-faced allegation. Make of it what you will, dude! :D

LOL! So I'm a hyocrite for basing the dishonorable Ms. Sheehan on an Internet forum in which less than 0.000001 percent of the world's population participates? Wow! :D
No, you're a broken record who skips the groove every time you see something in the headlines pertaining to that woman. On an internet forum;a forum in which you post so frequently I begin to wonder whether you've been catheterized. Being as less than 0.000001 percent of the world's population contributes to these forums, you're a non-stop, wall-to-wall poster-child for 'people we all dearly wish would finally just sew their own lips shut'.

Yes. I would have been even more so, if she had paid for the whole thing herself, and was entirely alone without an entourage.

I see a lot of protesters in DC - they're always downtown. I have a lot more respect for one person with a message - and am almost never impressed by "Million Idiot Marches" organized by hacks and shills. I'll actually sit down and listen to individual protesters at Lafayette Park.

Which is nice for you - but doesn't help the other 349,999,999 Americans.

If you want a message to get heard all across America, it's got to be 'loud'... it has to attract attention. Even MLK had an 'entourage'.

well, from what recently declassified from the Kremlin's
communist national archives, a lot of them were sponsored by Commie
groups with direct connections to the Kremlin.
just wondering if history is repeating itself.
( Dont ask me to go and find it all now. I'm
not gonna jump on a plane and fly to Moscow.
The records are there and they did mention this
on the news.) When i can I will go and check em out.

I find that highly suspicious. I did a report on SDs and the other student campaigners during the Vietnam conflict, and my research turned up nothing like this; only a few small Comunist groups recieved funding from the USSR. What are your sources, eactly? What newschannel?

Which basically sucks big, red donkey penii, just like George Clooney. [ hurls ]

I'm no Clooney fan... I've only actually liked one movie with him in... but I've HEARD of him... and that is power. It's the same mechanism that makes GW a presidential nominee, or keeps a Kennedy in the political spotlight. It is important to be nice, but it is much more nice to be important.

It's a bald-faced allegation. Make of it what you will, dude! :D

If it's an allegation, I don't suppose you have any evidence?

Yes. I would have been even more so, if she had paid for the whole thing herself, and was entirely alone without an entourage.

Her entourage consists almost entirely of other parents who have lost children in this war.

No, you're a broken record who skips the groove every time you see something in the headlines pertaining to that woman. On an internet forum;a forum in which you post so frequently I begin to wonder whether you've been catheterized. Being as less than 0.000001 percent of the world's population contributes to these forums, you're a non-stop, wall-to-wall poster-child for 'people we all dearly wish would finally just sew their own lips shut'.
LMAO! Like I said: the bitch I love to bash!

Don't MAKE me go all flashback on your ass! :D

If it's an allegation, I don't suppose you have any evidence?
Only indirect "evidence" from people who should have reason to know.

Yes. Hypocrisy is hypocrisy.

It doesn't matter that you only give her a "little" attention. Each single individual who supports her only gives her a "little" attention each.
Combined, you all make up the rather large amount of attention she has gotten.
So if I voluntarily stifle my freedom of speech, I'll somehow hurt her "cause?"

Hmmm. Something wrong with this picture! :p

If it's an allegation, I don't suppose you have any evidence?
If it's the allegation that the KGB was involved in funding or controlling US student protest groups...

An obscure but potentially devastating reference to KGB operations in the U.S. during the Vietnam period can be found in the John Dean Testimony, June 26, 1973, 3SSC 1072, as reprinted on Page 166 of the "Statement of Information: Hearings before the Committee on the Judiciary, House of Representatives, 93rd Congress, Second Session, Book VIII, Internal Revenue Service, May - June 1974." This was part of the "Watergate" hearings concerning the possible impeachment of President Nixon over the Watergate Apartments burglary.

Dean said: "The memoranda I received from the CIA were straight classified documents regarding activities of some antiwar demonstrators or people traveling to Hanoi and things of this nature. Also, foreign funding of domestic radical groups and things of this nature which I would forward generally to Dr. Kissinger or General Haig."

More about Soviet funding of the Communist Party USA thru KGB agents of influence, usually members of the CPUSA such as Stanley Levinson and possibly Jack O'Dell, can be found in John Barron's book "Operation Solo: The FBI's Man in the Kremlin" (Regnery, 1996).

Which is nice for you - but doesn't help the other 349,999,999 Americans.

If you want a message to get heard all across America, it's got to be 'loud'... it has to attract attention. Even MLK had an 'entourage'.
If I ever find that cancer has returned and there's no hope of recovery, I plan to strap as much C-4 to my body as I can reasonably conceal, visit a Mosque known to support terrorists, and self-destruct! Mwahahahahaha! :D

So if I voluntarily stifle my freedom of speech, I'll somehow hurt her "cause?"

Hmmm. Something wrong with this picture! :p

No, if you make a thread about Cindy Sheehan, you are giving her attention.

I certainly wouldn't have heard about her this time, had you not made this thread.

So when you give her attention you really have no place criticizing her for being an attention whore, as it's hypocrisy.

She may be an attention whore but you are acting as her john. ;)

If I ever find that cancer has returned and there's no hope of recovery, I plan to strap as much C-4 to my body as I can reasonably conceal, visit a Mosque known to support terrorists, and self-destruct! Mwahahahahaha! :D

Generally not a good thing to make such statements.

If I ever find that cancer has returned and there's no hope of recovery, I plan to strap as much C-4 to my body as I can reasonably conceal, visit a Mosque known to support terrorists, and self-destruct! Mwahahahahaha! :D

Well that'll certainly get you some media attention.

Probably get those nice granddaughters of yours beheaded, too.

If I ever find that cancer has returned and there's no hope of recovery, I plan to strap as much C-4 to my body as I can reasonably conceal, visit a Mosque known to support terrorists, and self-destruct! Mwahahahahaha! :D

You might as well smuggle a box cutter into an airplane and have it crash into something...You're one of those people.

No, if you make a thread about Cindy Sheehan, you are giving her attention.

I certainly wouldn't have heard about her this time, had you not made this thread.

So when you give her attention you really have no place criticizing her for being an attention whore, as it's hypocrisy.

She may be an attention whore but you are acting as her john. ;)
Hell! I wouldn't have sex with that woman if SHE paid ME! [ hurls ] :D

Well that'll certainly get you some media attention.

Probably get those nice granddaughters of yours beheaded, too.
Nahh. My sons and son-in-law can handle any contingency. I trained them well. :D

LMAO! Like I said: the bitch I love to bash!

Don't MAKE me go all flashback on your ass! :D
Or what? You'll bold your all-caps at me?

Puh-leeze.

Hell! I wouldn't have sex with that woman if SHE paid ME! [ hurls ] :D

Don't be so quick to say no. I doubt you can do better.

You might as well smuggle a box cutter into an airplane and have it crash into something...You're one of those people.
Whatever. :rolleyes:

Or what? You'll bold your all-caps at me?

Puh-leeze.
LMAO! "Death by capitalization!" Woo hoo! :D

Don't be so quick to say no. I doubt you can do better.
Hmmm. Unfortunately, you're like ... WRONG! [ throws capitialized letters at you! ] :D

Whatever. :rolleyes:
You're a self-admitted wannabe terrorist. Whatever.

You're a self-admitted wannabe terrorist. Whatever.
Mwahahahahaha! [ self-detonates in your general direction! ] :D

Only indirect "evidence" from people who should have reason to know.

So... no, then You got nothing except an axe to grind.

Well, knock yourself out with that one.

Mwahahahahaha! [ self-detonates in your general direction! ] :D
But I imagine that if I were to opine that walking into a US Army recruitment center, c4 strapped all over myself with the intent to blow the fucker sky-high, you & your cronies on NS wouldn't let up about it 'til Christmas.

You are a hypocrite.

If it's the allegation that the KGB was involved in funding or controlling US student protest groups...

An obscure but potentially devastating reference to KGB operations in the U.S. during the Vietnam period can be found in the John Dean Testimony, June 26, 1973, 3SSC 1072, as reprinted on Page 166 of the "Statement of Information: Hearings before the Committee on the Judiciary, House of Representatives, 93rd Congress, Second Session, Book VIII, Internal Revenue Service, May - June 1974." This was part of the "Watergate" hearings concerning the possible impeachment of President Nixon over the Watergate Apartments burglary.

Dean said: "The memoranda I received from the CIA were straight classified documents regarding activities of some antiwar demonstrators or people traveling to Hanoi and things of this nature. Also, foreign funding of domestic radical groups and things of this nature which I would forward generally to Dr. Kissinger or General Haig."

More about Soviet funding of the Communist Party USA thru KGB agents of influence, usually members of the CPUSA such as Stanley Levinson and possibly Jack O'Dell, can be found in John Barron's book "Operation Solo: The FBI's Man in the Kremlin" (Regnery, 1996).

I don't think so - I was responding to:

"Especially from dummy non-profits whose primary source of "income" consists of donations from Muslim extremists. Ha!"

If I ever find that cancer has returned and there's no hope of recovery, I plan to strap as much C-4 to my body as I can reasonably conceal, visit a Mosque known to support terrorists, and self-destruct! Mwahahahahaha! :D

That's probably enough for a forumban, right there...

Hmmm. Unfortunately, you're like ... WRONG! [ throws capitialized letters at you! ] :D

Well, you're either a nutty old vietnam veteran who had a bit too much agent-orange, or a 13 year old pretending to be one... Whichever the case, somehow I don't see you as a man of many options.

Unless, of course, you were speaking of professionals.

That's probably enough for a forumban, right there...
I think Eut has been drinking all weekend.

I think Eut has been drinking all weekend.

It'd still be shame to see him deleted just because he lets himself get out-of-control one weekend.

Or what? You'll bold your all-caps at me?


Well, Eut does believe in capital punishment.

*ba-dum chik*

A grieving mother-I cant blame her-if my child died over there, it would likely shift my priorities and change my perspective on everything.

The unfortunate part is- In my opinion, she is being manipulated and guided by others with a selfish agenda to undermine and discredit. I think she had valid statements and feelings to express early on, bringing attention.

Now I think she is being used. And used poorly.

Who knows, this could be like Star Wars Attack of the Clones, and Sheehan like Amidala, being pawned into giving the president a polarizing figure to oppose so he'd appeal to some, when in fact he doesn't really care and is doing nothing but trying to get "Ultimate Power". I wonder who'll vote him 'emergency powers',....

It'd still be shame to see him deleted just because he lets himself get out-of-control one weekend.
'just'?? 'one'??

The Hell you talkin' 'bout, Willis?

Who knows, this could be like Star Wars Attack of the Clones, and Sheehan like Amidala, being pawned into giving the president a polarizing figure to oppose so he'd appeal to some, when in fact he doesn't really care and is doing nothing but trying to get "Ultimate Power". I wonder who'll vote him 'emergency powers',....

The President already does have the "ultimate power".

He has "the football". You know, that little case with the nuclear launch codes in it.

He doesn't have to call anyone to use it. He doesn't need "permission". All he has to do is open it and pick up the phone.

'just'?? 'one'??

The Hell you talkin' 'bout, Willis?

Oh - I know he's pushed the envelope before... but this time - well... I've seen people totalled for (much) less.

Oh - I know he's pushed the envelope before... but this time - well... I've seen people totalled for (much) less.


And I've seen them let off for much more.

Poppy...you ok? You seem to be a little more easily aggravated lately. :(

Oh - I know he's pushed the envelope before... but this time - well... I've seen people totalled for (much) less.
As have I. Presumably there's a double-standard at play, one that I've noticed on countless occasions. Hell, I've had nations deleted - with fewer 'incidents' under my belt - while he's only ever had light slaps on the wrist - with a back list of highly-focused hate & vitriol so thick it makes the Sears catalogue look like a pamphlet.

And I've seen them let off for much more.

Poppy...you ok? You seem to be a little more easily aggravated lately. :(

I was thinking off our old friend Iakeokeo, who basically got deleted for stating his opinions in no uncertain terms - but that didn't come CLOSE to Eut saying he is considering making a human bomb of himself, and walking into a local mosque...

As have I. Presumably there's a double-standard at play, one that I've noticed on countless occasions. Hell, I've had nations deleted - with fewer 'incidents' under my belt - while he's only ever had light slaps on the wrist - with a back list of highly-focused hate & vitriol so thick it makes the Sears catalogue look like a pamphlet.

I certainly think Eut has been allowed a lot of leniency...

I find that highly suspicious. I did a report on SDs and the other student campaigners during the Vietnam conflict, and my research turned up nothing like this; only a few small Comunist groups recieved funding from the USSR. What are your sources, eactly? What newschannel?

It was on most news sources, but the parts of what was going on was in a magazine that did a special on it. I dont quite recall when that was but it was a while ago. plus it was on some radio talkshows.

I certainly think Eut has been allowed a lot of leniency...

I remember the exact same discussion...uhm...two years ago I think it was.

Thats a whole lot of leniency.

I certainly think Eut has been allowed a lot of leniency...

Some waste pity on the undeserving....

If I ever find that cancer has returned and there's no hope of recovery, I plan to strap as much C-4 to my body as I can reasonably conceal, visit a Mosque known to support terrorists, and self-destruct! Mwahahahahaha! :D


so now you advocate terrorist acts and killing innocent people to make a statement?

I propose that we contact the authorities, because Eut just might be senile enough to do it.

No need, they have him under surveillance. If they reckon hes going to lurch outside and do something stupid they just leave a cardboard cut out of a hippy with a placard at his door for a few weeks till he cools down.

No need, they have him under surveillance. If they reckon hes going to lurch outside and do something stupid they just leave a cardboard cut out of a hippy with a placard at his door for a few weeks till he cools down.


but imagine if we warn the authorities and they catch him before he does something - we could be national heros for stopping a terrorist. *rushes off to email the CIA/FBI/FOX NEWS*

so now you advocate terrorist acts and killing innocent people to make a statement?

I propose that we contact the authorities, because Eut just might be senile enough to do it.

You know, the unabomber was old and senile, and he had this thing about "leftists" too... Eut fits the profile.

but imagine if we warn the authorities and they catch him before he does something - we could be national heros for stopping a terrorist. *rushes off to email the CIA/FBI/FOX NEWS*

Well being Irish, turning him in is a bit "uncomfortable" for me. Even if he is a post dodging right wing nut. No...I say we just make sure he stops drinking too much coffee.

http://www.workingforchange.com/webgraphics/WFC/TMW06-21-06.jpg

*see panel 4.

Hint: Tom tomorrow doesn't skewer the American political "centre". That, and saying you're going to suicide-bomb a building is just damned unfunny.

Eut, is this how you'd use the social leverage that returning a hero from Vietnam would supposedly have bestowed upon you, had it not been for all those unreasonable hippies?

The President already does have the "ultimate power".

He has "the football". You know, that little case with the nuclear launch codes in it.

He doesn't have to call anyone to use it. He doesn't need "permission". All he has to do is open it and pick up the phone.
Um...No. He does not have "ultimate power." He is not a king. He is not a god in human form. He is not the "Dear Leader." Even if you get off on thinking of him that way. :rolleyes:

You know, the unabomber was old and senile, and he had this thing about "leftists" too... Eut fits the profile.
We should just bookmark the thread so we can forward it to the FBI, just in case he doesn't sober up in time.

so now you advocate terrorist acts and killing innocent people to make a statement?

I propose that we contact the authorities, because Eut just might be senile enough to do it.

If Forrest ever does try something like that and succeeds, I'll be the first to call for a petition to have his remains cremated and the ashes baked into a ceramic spittoon.

Um...No. He does not have "ultimate power." He is not a king. He is not a god in human form. He is not the "Dear Leader." Even if you get off on thinking of him that way. :rolleyes:
Um... he could start a nuclear war without anyone's permission... that's pretty powerful in my book. The fact that he could destroy the human race, and we wouldn't find out about it until we were turned into crispy critters is pretty amazing.

the attention whore is back in the news. yippeee now i can finally start living again. i thought i was going to die if i went more then a month without knowing what sheehan was up to.

i dont think anyone cares if sheehan goes on a diet.

the attention whore is back in the news. yippeee now i can finally start living again. i thought i was going to die if i went more then a month without knowing what sheehan was up to.

i dont think anyone cares if sheehan goes on a diet.
I don’t … yet eut seems intimately interested. Lol I would probably have never heard about it without eut getting her the attention she wants

Sometimes I wonder if he is on her side

I don’t … yet eut seems intimately interested. Lol I would probably have never heard about it without eut getting her the attention she wants

Sometimes I wonder if he is on her side

I think he just wants to get into her pants, which is a hideous idea.

I think he just wants to get into her pants, which is a hideous idea.

ewww, old people should be banned from having sex. lets burn down the viagra facotry

As for me, Sheehan is right, and so are the celebs. Far more right (correct) than our fascist, Nazi, freedom-eroding, punk, thug, idiot, Moron, Ass-Clown in Chief...Bush
Feel free to quote me on that :)

ewww, old people should be banned from having sex. lets burn down the viagra facotry
ah, but the things that old people know....

As for me, Sheehan is right, and so are the celebs. Far more right (correct) than our fascist, Nazi, freedom-eroding, punk, thug, idiot, Moron, Ass-Clown in Chief...Bush
Feel free to quote me on that :)

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

*dies of laughter*

Excuse me for finding this funny because the only clown here is you.

If you support the Ass-Clown in Chief, youre part of the problem, not the solution

If you support the Ass-Clown in Chief, youre part of the problem, not the solution

ITs people like you who make me sick of the opposition. All you do is name call and nothing else.

Well I think...and I vote....and I do both at the same time. That alone makes me dangerous, I guess :)

I think he just wants to get into her pants, which is a hideous idea.
[ hurls ]

Well I think...and I vote....and I do both at the same time. That alone makes me dangerous, I guess :)

I think and vote too. Imagine that. And what I'm thinking is that those on the Left don't know the 1st thing about politics nor do they know anything about security (a known fact that the nation trusts the Republicans over dems in the Security department). The Dems don't have a cohesive plan at all. They constently send mixed messegs and they can't seem to get over that fact.

ewww, old people should be banned from having sex. lets burn down the viagra facotry
Thanks a lot, moron. Your agism is duly noted.

Besides, I use Cialis. It lasts longer. :p

I got yer "solution" right here ... cyanide, n00b! :p

So - from generic race/religion/ethnic cleansing, to specific death-threats on other NS players?

You must have Mod immunity...

Well...first off Eutrusca...Bite me.

Now talking to a sensible person like Corneliu is different. What bothers me the most (and Im not terribly far on the Left), is that I dont trust the current administration any further than I can throw them (which isnt far). I believe it was Benjamin Franklin who said "Those who willingly sacrifice freedom for security wind up with neither" or something close to that. I would dare say the terrorists have already won, if you consider that a fundamental change in our collective behaviour is an admission of loss. And what Im seeing (and what makes me see red) is that Americans, once proud and brave and individualistic, are falling all over ourselves to give away our freedoms to the Daddy State. The Daddy State, to my mind, is the one who got us into this mess in the first place. Our Big Government decided (generally against our wishes as individuals) to get our citizens involved in other nations business. And since our nose was where it didnt belong, we got it bloodied. Now the current administration is heaping more bad on bad. I simply oppose it. perhaps I wasnt so eloquent earlier, simply means Im a bit ticked at this point.

Well...first off Eutrusca...Bite me.

Now talking to a sensible person like Corneliu is different. What bothers me the most (and Im not terribly far on the Left), is that I dont trust the current administration any further than I can throw them (which isnt far). I believe it was Benjamin Franklin who said "Those who willingly sacrifice freedom for security wind up with neither" or something close to that. I would dare say the terrorists have already won, if you consider that a fundamental change in our collective behaviour is an admission of loss. And what Im seeing (and what makes me see red) is that Americans, once proud and brave and individualistic, are falling all over ourselves to give away our freedoms to the Daddy State. The Daddy State, to my mind, is the one who got us into this mess in the first place. Our Big Government decided (generally against our wishes as individuals) to get our citizens involved in other nations business. And since our nose was where it didnt belong, we got it bloodied. Now the current administration is heaping more bad on bad. I simply oppose it. perhaps I wasnt so eloquent earlier, simply means Im a bit ticked at this point.

The 'purpose' of 'terrorism', is to change the policy or operation of a government, by the pursuit of means of 'terror'.... fear being a motivator for the change in national policy.

It's sad - but Al-Qaeda 'won' on the eleventh of September.

Well...first off Eutrusca...Bite me.

Now talking to a sensible person like Corneliu is different.
*snip argument*

You must not be talking to the same Corneliu as us, then. :p

So - from generic race/religion/ethnic cleansing, to specific death-threats on other NS players?

You must have Mod immunity...
or nobody is reporting him...

You must not be talking to the same Corneliu as us, then. :p

quiet you :D

or nobody is reporting him...

I think a lot of people are going out of their way to spare him. I know it was sympathy that stopped me registering my first ever 'mod-complaint' after the 'mosque' comment.

Of course - now that he is issuing death threats, I'm feeling less sympathetic.

or nobody is reporting him...
They should be.

I think a lot of people are going out of their way to spare him. I know it was sympathy that stopped me registering my first ever 'mod-complaint' after the 'mosque' comment.

Of course - now that he is issuing death threats, I'm feeling less sympathetic.
Sympathy only gets you so far. He should be reported for every infraction...just like the rest of us. Way too much leeway has been given him, and it can't be blamed on the Mods...I know I can't stand to read through his tripe...

quiet you :D

Confess! That was your sister wasn't it! :p

Confess! That was your sister wasn't it! :p

What about her?

What about her?

(Gusitania) Who else would give you a compliment? :p

Confess! That was your sister wasn't it! :p
Either his sister or his GF. :D

Either his sister or his GF. :D

As far as I know.... my gf don't play NS. My sis hasn't logged on in days either.

The whole world really has gone mad, hasn't it?

I fail to see why this stupid American ideal of patriotism must come into every single thing you do. Seriously, can you guys go to the shops without it being in the interests of your country to buy something? It's not your responsibility to protect peoples' freedom, it's not your responsibility to protect your country. For the former, they can do it themselves, if they ask for help, then you can give it to them. In relation to the latter, it's decency, not responsibility. You don't actually have to send people to a strange country on the other side of the world to fight people who are battling you with your own weapons, did you know that?

There's nothing wrong with being left-wing, nor is there anything wrong with being right-wing. But there's definitely something wrong when you can judge a person solely on their political beliefs, whether or not they support the same actions as you do, whether or not they support blowing the brains out of people. Yes, you may disagree, and yes, they may annoy you. (God knows tha some of you people are annoying.) Labelling someone as a Bono, or a hippie, or any other such nonsensical stereotype is just proving your own stupidity, sorry.

Ever heard the saying, "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter?" Whoever came up with that actually knew what they were talking about, strangely enough. You can't define one person as being a terrorist universally. There's too much grey matter here for anyone to simply say that "this is what terrorists have against our nation." "This is what we must do to protect ourselves." "It's in the interests of our nation to dispose of these filthy terrorists, and while we're at it, let's get rid of the rest of them too, just as a precaution."

And of course (because, in the end, I wouldnt blame you if you'd forgotten) just exactly what is wrong with a woman trying to protest to end the war? There have been quite a few protests against it over time, and why should she be any different? She's being singled out as an attention whore (which seems just a little strange, seeing as strikes dont actually work unless you have the public's attentiom) because people don't like the way she grieved for her son. You're entitled to your opinion, what you're not entitled to do is judge her for not dealing with her son's death the way you would. She's fully entitled to disagree with mindless violence. If this is what happens when people take a stand against high-minded ideological wars then the world is truly a sad place.

I try hard not to believe that Americans are, in general, a stupid people. A lot of people do. But this makes it very hard not to be judgemental.

Oh, and by the way. I know this is long and condescending, but really, reading all the rubbish that some people have been posting you may just deserve it. Call me a snob if you like, but I can console myself with the fact that if I had a choice, I wouldnt be sending my children to fight battles for fatcats.

I think a lot of people are going out of their way to spare him. I know it was sympathy that stopped me registering my first ever 'mod-complaint' after the 'mosque' comment.

Of course - now that he is issuing death threats, I'm feeling less sympathetic.
I don't get it...Eut used to be pretty mellow, at least in the threads I visited, but this stuff is approaching the level of a n00b-troll. What happened?!

So - from generic race/religion/ethnic cleansing, to specific death-threats on other NS players?

You must have Mod immunity...
Do you actually read what is written? That was no "death threat."

I don't get it...Eut used to be pretty mellow, at least in the threads I visited, but this stuff is approaching the level of a n00b-troll. What happened?!
Seriously, this is not out of the blue...this has been building up and going on for some time now...

Do you actually read what is written? That was no "death threat."
Pray tell, what do you use cyanide for, then?

Pray tell, what do you use cyanide for, then?
Silly, there was a ubiquitous smiley after the phrase, so it MUST be a joke.

Seriously, this is not out of the blue...this has been building up and going on for some time now...
I guess I must have missed a bit, since my posting was spotty for a while. I'm just really bummed out to see somebody go from being a reasonable opposition in discussion to being yet another loony advocating the murder those who don't agree with them. Frankly, we've got plenty of that sort already.

Silly, there was a ubiquitous smiley after the phrase, so it MUST be a joke.
I know that I find it hilarious when people laugh at the idea of killing me, or express delight at the idea of me starving to death. That kind of thing is such a riot. Har har.

I know that I find it hilarious when people laugh at the idea of killing me, or express delight at the idea of me starving to death. That kind of thing is such a riot. Har har.
Yes, very funny. Of course, imagine if the same was said of someone Eut agreed with or admired...wow, the feathers would fly...

Silly, there was a ubiquitous smiley after the phrase, so it MUST be a joke.
Right.... almost forgot the modus operandi of Eutrusca for a while. ;)

Right.... almost forgot the modus operandi of Eutrusca for a while. ;)
It's not a unique MO. It's what I call The Coulter Protocol. See, you "joke" about murdering people you don't like (liberals, journalists, judges, Muslims, etc), and if anybody objects you tell them that it's their fault for not having a good sense of humor.

Though, really, Coulter didn't originate this at all, she just has helped to further popularize it. This kind of behavior used to be employed in regards to racist jokes...blacks who couldn't see the humor in "strange fruit" were just uptight and humorless. Women who couldn't see the wit in rape jokes were just prudes. It's a cute little way of trying to blame other people for the fact that you tell "jokes" that are both sickening and totally unfunny.

Do you actually read what is written? That was no "death threat."

Originally Posted by Gusitania:
"If you support the Ass-Clown in Chief, youre part of the problem, not the solution"

Originally posted by Eutrusca:
"I got yer "solution" right here ... cyanide, n00b! "


Let me just take a second to point out that, among the various dangerous chemicals I use on a daily basis (Chlorine Dioxide, Chlorine, Powdered Activated Carbon, Sodium Hypochlorite, Hydrofluorosilicic acid, etc) there are two with MUCH more strict controls... Arsenic, and Cyanide. Cyanide is not a chemical you 'play' with.

I can't see any other way to interpret your comment to your opponent, except that you intended harm... and, knowing what I do about cyanide... it would be deadly harm.

Pray tell, what do you use cyanide for, then?
Uh ... it has to be consumed before it can have any impact, dude. :rolleyes:

Uh ... it has to be consumed before it can have any impact, dude. :rolleyes:
So when you proposed cyanide as a "solution," you were intending for it to be used in some way that would have no impact? How would anything be solved by doing something that has no impact?

Originally Posted by Gusitania:
"If you support the Ass-Clown in Chief, youre part of the problem, not the solution"

Originally posted by Eutrusca:
"I got yer "solution" right here ... cyanide, n00b! "


Let me just take a second to point out that, among the various dangerous chemicals I use on a daily basis (Chlorine Dioxide, Chlorine, Powdered Activated Carbon, Sodium Hypochlorite, Hydrofluorosilicic acid, etc) there are two with MUCH more strict controls... Arsenic, and Cyanide. Cyanide is not a chemical you 'play' with.

I can't see any other way to interpret your comment to your opponent, except that you intended harm... and, knowing what I do about cyanide... it would be deadly harm.
Whatever. I posted the issue in Moderation. They'll decide.

So when you proposed cyanide as a "solution," you were intending for it to be used in some way that would have no impact?
Why don't you find someone else to carp at. If you can't recognize hyperbole when you see it, surely someone saying "go kill yourself" will irritate you just as much.

Uh ... it has to be consumed before it can have any impact, dude. :rolleyes:

Not at all. It is harmful on inspiration, contact with mucus membranes, and can be transmitted through fabrics and skin.

It is just MOST effective if you ingest it.

Uh ... it has to be consumed before it can have any impact, dude. :rolleyes:
That doesn't answer the question :rolleyes:

What do you use cyanide for?

Is there some other use that could be applied in this situation?

answer the question, dude :D

Wow, a one day fast. How extreme of them.

I do that on a weekly basis. Perhaps I should get me a motive to do it apart from the lack of time...Some protest against a random world leader...

It could work

Why don't you find someone else to carp at. If you can't recognize hyperbole when you see it, surely someone saying "go kill yourself" will irritate you just as much.
coming from someone who complain to the mods when someone modify his post in an hyperbolic way, that is laughable.

That doesn't answer the question :rolleyes:

What do you use cyanide for?

Is there some other use that could be applied in this situation?

answer the question, dude :D
Not being a chemist, the only use for cyanide of which I am aware is suicide or poisioning someone else. Happy now?

coming from someone who complain to the mods when someone modify his post in an hyperbolic way, that is laughable.
Then yuck it up, dude. :D

Why don't you find someone else to carp at. If you can't recognize hyperbole when you see it, surely someone saying "go kill yourself" will irritate you just as much.
I'm not carping at you in the least. I'm simply curious as to why you would tell so obvious a lie. You are many things, but stupid is not one of them.

She's definitely NO peacemaker, she's just a whore, pure and simple.
Any chance of you backing up this assertion? Did you keep the receipt?

Any chance of you backing up this assertion? Did you keep the receipt?
I'm also still waiting for an explanation of how calling a woman a "whore" accomplishes anything more than making you look like a bitter old kook who can't come up with any actual arguments.

I'm also still waiting for an explanation of how calling a woman a "whore" accomplishes anything more than making you look like a bitter old kook who can't come up with any actual arguments.
Perhaps you're correct. Perhaps I am indeed a "bitter old kook."

I'm also still waiting for an explanation of how calling a woman a "whore" accomplishes anything more than making you look like a bitter old kook who can't come up with any actual arguments.
Quite. Eutrusca's contributions leave me wondering who he hates more: women or 'leftists'.

Great term, 'leftists'. Without the slightest definition, it can be used to label pretty much anyone you disagree with. Even war heroes such as, let me think... John Kerry!

Perhaps you're correct. Perhaps I am indeed a "bitter old kook."
If I thought it was that simple, I wouldn't be bothering to talk to you.

Honestly, dude, what's the freaking deal?

If I thought it was that simple, I wouldn't be bothering to talk to you.

Honestly, dude, what's the freaking deal?

Could be bipolar, could be alcohol, could be a lot of things, or a combination thereof.

Could be bipolar, could be alcohol, could be a lot of things, or a combination thereof.
I'm sure some people think I'm nuts for trying, at this point, but I am still bothered to see a once-genial adversary behaving in this way.

It's probably because I'm a foolish hippy hooked on love and flower power. Or possibly because of my soft, tender, sentimental female brain.

I'm sure some people think I'm nuts for trying, at this point, but I am still bothered to see a once-genial adversary behaving in this way.

It's probably because I'm a foolish hippy hooked on love and flower power. Or possibly because of my soft, tender, sentimental female brain.

You're hoping he just had a bad day.

Quite. Eutrusca's contributions leave me wondering who he hates more: women or 'leftists'.

Great term, 'leftists'. Without the slightest definition, it can be used to label pretty much anyone you disagree with. Even war heroes such as, let me think... John Kerry!
John Kerry? War hero? ROFLMFAO!!!

It's probably because I'm a foolish hippy hooked on love and flower power. Or possibly because of my soft, tender, sentimental female brain.

I thought I smelled patchouli in here.

If I thought it was that simple, I wouldn't be bothering to talk to you.

Honestly, dude, what's the freaking deal?
I don't know. I've already apologized to the poster in question, and have deleted my post with another apology. I hesitate to hide behind excuses, so let's just put it down to frustration with many of the things going on right now. Fair?

John Kerry? War hero? ROFLMFAO!!!
So you bought the Swift Boat Veterans bullshit, too? Naive as well, I see.

I'm no fan of Kerry, mind. And 'hero' was a deliberately exaggerated turn of phrase, I guess.

You're hoping he just had a bad day.
Pretty much, yeah.


I don't know. I've already apologized to the poster in question, and have deleted my post with another apology. I hesitate to hide behind excuses, so let's just put it down to frustration with many of the things going on right now. Fair?
Seeing as how I wasn't really on the receiving end of most of this drama, I probably shouldn't be the one to decide if the resolution was fair.

I'm not trying to beat up on you, here, and if you just want to let it drop then that's fine by me. My concern was about why on Earth you would make a thread like this in the first place, and why you would be so enthusiastic about the prospect of people dying horribly, because I have this idealistic desire to prevent this kind of shit from going down in the future. Let the n00bs come troll around with threads about murdering the opposition. Old-timers should be setting a better standard.

So you bought the Swift Boat Veterans bullshit, too? Naive as well, I see.

I'm no fan of Kerry, mind. And 'hero' was a deliberately exaggerated turn of phrase, I guess.

Did you read the portion of his records he had online? Dispicable.

'hero' was a deliberately exaggerated turn of phrase, I guess.
No "guessing" about it.

Seeing as how I wasn't really on the receiving end of most of this drama, I probably shouldn't be the one to decide if the resolution was fair.

I'm not trying to beat up on you, here, and if you just want to let it drop then that's fine by me. My concern was about why on Earth you would make a thread like this in the first place, and why you would be so enthusiastic about the prospect of people dying horribly, because I have this idealistic desire to prevent this kind of shit from going down in the future. Let the n00bs come troll around with threads about murdering the opposition. Old-timers should be setting a better standard.
I'm tempted to let it drop, but that usually rubs against the grain with me.

Part of my particular problem is that people come on here and make incredible statements on things they obviously know absolutely nothing about, as with the thread on "Were Vietnam vets really spat on?" If they're n00bs, I tend to let it go. But there are a handful of people who are relatively old timers who simply will not listen to either facts or reason, and for some reason I just can't seem to let that go, particularly when it involves certain issues with which I am intimately familiar.

Or possibly because of my soft, tender, sentimental female brain.

Goes down well with hot sauce.