NationStates Jolt Archive

Ok, hopefully this won't be counted as spam, but I just gotta share this.

A woman was helping her Russian boyfriend study for his citizenship test, and she asked him what was the most important amendment in the Bill of Rights. The Russian thought about it alittle bit, and he said (in a Russian Accent) "The 2nd." The girlfriend was confused, and said, "Are you sure? What about the one with the freedom of speech?" The Russian replied, "When you have a gun, you can say whatever you want."

LOL! Ahh, so true, I mean who is going to argue with someone who's holding a gun? No one, that's who! Anyways, hope you enjoy that, and post some jokes yourself!

sin(u+v)=sin u cos v+cos u sin v

sin(u+v)=sin u cos v+cos u sin v

ummm k....

Continuing on a bit. One of my duties is to teach an adult English class in my town after I finish with my kids.

Now this class has a tendancy to wander into more of a discussion group and "Let's ask the American weird questions about the US" but since it's in English it's all ok.

For some reason we had gotten on how the US system of government works and I mentioned the US Constitution and the amendments.

I was then asked how many guns I owned.

Pausing for a second to make sure I heard the question right, I asked WHY this mother of 3 assumed that I owed a gun, let alone multible guns, and was informed that she had heard the 2nd amendment ment that all Americans had to own a gun and so she was curious how many I owned and when did I get it.

Oh, and if the government gave it to me.

Ok, hopefully this won't be counted as spam, but I just gotta share this.

A woman was helping her Russian boyfriend study for his citizenship test, and she asked him what was the most important amendment in the Bill of Rights. The Russian thought about it alittle bit, and he said (in a Russian Accent) "The 2nd." The girlfriend was confused, and said, "Are you sure? What about the one with the freedom of speech?" The Russian replied, "When you have a gun, you can say whatever you want."

LOL! Ahh, so true, I mean who is going to argue with someone who's holding a gun? No one, that's who! Anyways, hope you enjoy that, and post some jokes yourself!

Smart Russian guy.

Dude yer sooo gonna get flamed by Canduckheaven&dobbsey.

Mentioning the 2nd amendment in the same sentence as "right" is considered akin to blasphemy here.

Smart Russian guy.

Dude yer sooo gonna get flamed by Canduckheaven&dobbsey.

Mentioning the 2nd amendment in the same sentence as "right" is considered akin to blasphemy here.

Meh, it's just a forum, it's just words, it's just a joke. If they can't take a simple joke, then they need to get laid, get drunk, or lose the bug in their butt.

Continuing on a bit. One of my duties is to teach an adult English class in my town after I finish with my kids.

Now this class has a tendancy to wander into more of a discussion group and "Let's ask the American weird questions about the US" but since it's in English it's all ok.

For some reason we had gotten on how the US system of government works and I mentioned the US Constitution and the amendments.

I was then asked how many guns I owned.

Pausing for a second to make sure I heard the question right, I asked WHY this mother of 3 assumed that I owed a gun, let alone multible guns, and was informed that she had heard the 2nd amendment ment that all Americans had to own a gun and so she was curious how many I owned and when did I get it.

Oh, and if the government gave it to me.

I was watching an older Japanese cartoon. They were in Hawaii and one of the characters stated " We're in America. What do we do if they point a gun at us?"

I love stereotypes.

Ok, hopefully this won't be counted as spam, but I just gotta share this.

A woman was helping her Russian boyfriend study for his citizenship test, and she asked him what was the most important amendment in the Bill of Rights. The Russian thought about it alittle bit, and he said (in a Russian Accent) "The 2nd." The girlfriend was confused, and said, "Are you sure? What about the one with the freedom of speech?" The Russian replied, "When you have a gun, you can say whatever you want."

LOL! Ahh, so true, I mean who is going to argue with someone who's holding a gun? No one, that's who! Anyways, hope you enjoy that, and post some jokes yourself!

That's like the thread about the extremeists going after the ice vendors and goatees because "Muhammed didn't have those" while pointing AK-47's at the people.

Who's gonna tell you what to do when you have a gun? A guy with a bigger gun.

Who's gonna tell you what to do when you have a gun? A guy with a bigger gun.

A big gun kills you just as dead as a little gun.

Who's gonna tell you what to do when you have a gun? A guy with a bigger gun.


"It's not the size that counts, but how you use it", she said. :)

A big gun kills you just as dead as a little gun.
A bigger gun and the drop on you.

Continuing on a bit. One of my duties is to teach an adult English class in my town after I finish with my kids.

Now this class has a tendancy to wander into more of a discussion group and "Let's ask the American weird questions about the US" but since it's in English it's all ok.

For some reason we had gotten on how the US system of government works and I mentioned the US Constitution and the amendments.

I was then asked how many guns I owned.

Pausing for a second to make sure I heard the question right, I asked WHY this mother of 3 assumed that I owed a gun, let alone multible guns, and was informed that she had heard the 2nd amendment ment that all Americans had to own a gun and so she was curious how many I owned and when did I get it.

Oh, and if the government gave it to me.
Well, they do that in Switzerland, so it isn’t that far fetched.

Hey! They never gave me a gun in switzerland! Feh. See if I ever go back.

Who's gonna tell you what to do when you have a gun? The person with an army behind them all with the same gun you have

Wish we had such lenient firearm ownership here...

In order of importance (for me personally) amongst the first 15:


First
Tenth
Fourteenth
Fifth (I take issue with how double jeopardy is implemented)
Second
Sixth
Fourth
Thirteenth
Seventh
Ninth
Eighth
Elventh
Twelfth
Third



I consider the right to own weapons a fairly important "right" to be held by a nation's citizens. I am in favor of a smaller federal government and am pro-state's rights, so this isn't entirely hard to understand why.

NT

Oh, and if the government gave it to me.

They wont give you one but you can get a garand for aslittle as $395 from Uncle Sam if you learn marksmanship and hop through a few minor gummint hoops made of red tape

http://www.odcmp.com/Services/Rifles/m1garand.htm

Fifth (I take issue with how double jeopardy is implemented)


I would prefer, at this time, to not divulge how I actually feel about the 5th.

I would prefer, at this time, to not divulge how I actually feel about the 5th.

:)

Cute. But what I was attempting to convey is that the amendment would rank more highly for me if the double jeopardy clause were better implemented. I disagree with the premise that someone if found not guilty, and they then later find the body in the dude's basement somehow can't be retried.

I understand the reason behind the double jeopardy clause, and I think its a good one. The government should not be able to charge people willy nilly with crimes, over and over again especially. But this shouldn't come at the cost of sacrificing the public's interest, and it doesn't have to. Just attach an evidenciary requirement.

NT

I'm a fan of the 3rd Amendment. Have you seen how much 4 soldiers can eat?

Uhhgg...

:)

Cute. But what I was attempting to convey is that the amendment would rank more highly for me if the double jeopardy clause were better implemented. I disagree with the premise that someone if found not guilty, and they then later find the body in the dude's basement somehow can't be retried.

I understand the reason behind the double jeopardy clause, and I think its a good one. The government should not be able to charge people willy nilly with crimes, over and over again especially. But this shouldn't come at the cost of sacrificing the public's interest, and it doesn't have to. Just attach an evidenciary requirement.

NT

I've often wondered what legal jeopardy OJ would be in if he publicly admitted killing those two.

I've often wondered what legal jeopardy OJ would be in if he publicly admitted killing those two.
If your defense team is clever enough to fool a jury, you get a free pass in my book.

Who's gonna argue with someone holding a gun?

Me. Guns only work on you if you're afraid to die. I'm not afraid of someone who has no mental recourse besides violence. If someone thinks that a gun makes them right and thinks he can force me to do, say, or believe something I don't want to do, say or believe, let him pull the trigger and be wrong.

The whole gun-bravado thing is childish and diminishes the legitimate arguments for the Second Amendment. Much like real Christians need to step up and denounce those who would restrict freedom in the name of Jesus, responsible gun owners need to step up and bitch-slap the mindset that produced the Columbine killers, the Ruby Ridge idiots, and Nichols/McVeigh.

If your defense team is clever enough to fool a jury, you get a free pass in my book.
Like fooling a jury is tough.:rolleyes:

Like fooling a jury is tough.:rolleyes:

It takes work. After all, I heard that about 95% of cases that go to trial receive a guilty verdict.

Who's gonna argue with someone holding a gun?

Me. Guns only work on you if you're afraid to die. I'm not afraid of someone who has no mental recourse besides violence. If someone thinks that a gun makes them right and thinks he can force me to do, say, or believe something I don't want to do, say or believe, let him pull the trigger and be wrong.

The whole gun-bravado thing is childish and diminishes the legitimate arguments for the Second Amendment. Much like real Christians need to step up and denounce those who would restrict freedom in the name of Jesus, responsible gun owners need to step up and bitch-slap the mindset that produced the Columbine killers, the Ruby Ridge idiots, and Nichols/McVeigh.

In the ideal you are correct, but martyrdom only helps your cause as long as other people persist to carry on your cause. If the dude with a gun martyrs every member of your cause, then it may just be that brute force won the day so to speak. I mean that while you are correct in as much as force cannot change people's views, but if you are dead and right and the other guy is alive and wrong no one is around to make sure people hear the truth/that which is correct.


A legitimate founding for the second amenment is to prevent the legalized disarmament of a populus. A disarmed populus is one which is easier to tyrannize. In an ideal world one could always trust one's government not to stab you in the back if you start espousing ideas counter to their agenda, but this is hardly an ideal world and I don't trust the whole of my government, or any other government for that matter, to always keep their agendas in check.

NT

It takes work. After all, I heard that about 95% of cases that go to trial receive a guilty verdict.
Right -- and that means the jury was fooled by the prosecutor or were too appalled by the crime to imagine the person charged with it isn't guilty.

In the ideal you are correct, but martyrdom only helps your cause as long as other people persist to carry on your cause. If the dude with a gun martyrs every member of your cause, then it may just be that brute force won the day so to speak. I mean that while you are correct in as much as force cannot change people's views, but if you are dead and right and the other guy is alive and wrong no one is around to make sure people hear the truth/that which is correct.


A legitimate founding for the second amenment is to prevent the legalized disarmament of a populus. A disarmed populus is one which is easier to tyrannize. In an ideal world one could always trust one's government not to stab you in the back if you start espousing ideas counter to their agenda, but this is hardly an ideal world and I don't trust the whole of my government, or any other government for that matter, to always keep their agendas in check.

NT
You assume that I belong to some kind of "movement".

Let the guy wax me, and it'll always be in the back of his mind that I didn't bow. Of course, you make the hidden point that it's all easy to say when the gun in question is hypothetical...

EDIT: ...and you'd be right.

In criminal cases the conviction rate for trials is well above 50% (I think I remember it being above 80%), but to disprove your point you will also find out that in criminal cases very rarely does the judge disagree with verdicts handed out by juries.

In civil cases there is a high degree of discrepancy between jury verdict and what the judge believes the verdict should be, and this does show that in civil trials, where "preponderance of the evidence" is the defining mark, attorney capability/persuasiveness has a lot more to do with sentencing/conviction.

NT

In criminal cases the conviction rate for trials is well above 50% (I think I remember it being above 80%), but to disprove your point you will also find out that in criminal cases very rarely does the judge disagree with verdicts handed out by juries.

In civil cases there is a high degree of discrepancy between jury verdict and what the judge believes the verdict should be, and this does show that in civil trials, where "preponderance of the evidence" is the defining mark, attorney capability/persuasiveness has a lot more to do with sentencing/conviction.

NT
Well, that's fine. Civil cases are the ones we have to damn many of to begin with.

sin(u+v)=sin u cos v+cos u sin v
sin(u+v)=sin u cos v+cos u sin v & sin(u-v)=sin u cos v-cos u sin v

Combine the two to get: sin(u+v)+sin(u-v)=2sin(u)cos(v):)

I was watching an older Japanese cartoon. They were in Hawaii and one of the characters stated " We're in America. What do we do if they point a gun at us?"

I love stereotypes.
Yeah, you're only supposed to say that if you are in LA or Virginia or something.