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Sometimes I wonder why people would engage in bestiality - it seems just "wrong" and I'm not talking from some religious perspective. I mean, when I look at a dog, I think of the family pet, or the police dog, and it doesn't even cross my mind to Michael Jackson the dog.

Just sick...

What kind of sick, twisted freak would do that to an animal??

It's perfectly legal in my homestate

I'm really curious to see who comes in and argues for beastiality.

I'm really curious to see who comes in and argues for beastiality.

Hvaing sex with a dog is okay, as long as its not a gay dog.

I cannot unsee the arrest affidavit. No amount of scouring powder and steel wool will do that.

Such a sweet man.

*shudder*

Hvaing sex with a dog is okay, as long as its not a gay dog.

You a christian and bush voter aren't you? :p

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0621062dog1.html

Sometimes I wonder why people would engage in bestiality - it seems just "wrong" and I'm not talking from some religious perspective. I mean, when I look at a dog, I think of the family pet, or the police dog, and it doesn't even cross my mind to Michael Jackson the dog.

Just sick...

I Just...

It's soooo...

AUUGGGHHHHH!!!!! Let's just stick with gays and be done with it!:headbang:

'course, after homosexuality is full blown legalized and commended by the gov't, beastial people will be taking to the streets to take us down the next level. I'd rather spend an eternity fighting homosexuality than this. Uggh!

I've had a dog try to hump my leg but I just slapped him and walked away. He didn't even offer to buy me a drink or anything to break the ice.

I Just...

It's soooo...

AUUGGGHHHHH!!!!! Let's just stick with gays and be done with it!:headbang:

'course, after homosexuality is full blown legalized and commended by the gov't, beastial people will be taking to the streets to take us down the next level. I'd rather spend an eternity fighting homosexuality than this. Uggh!
That's the dumbest thing I've read today.

Sometimes I wonder why people would engage in bestiality - it seems just "wrong" and I'm not talking from some religious perspective. I mean, when I look at a dog, I think of the family pet, or the police dog, and it doesn't even cross my mind to Michael Jackson the dog.

On the other hand you probably enjoy the result of prolonged torture of animals on your plate daily. One can wonder if those animals themselves would not have preferred being someones sexslave...

It's none of my business what guys do to there pets, but too me, if it hurts the animal(Assuming it does) then it's animal cruelty and it illegal, and just very weird, and seriously sick. But, still, none of my business.

I don’t really have a problem with it as such. I certainly don’t believe that it’s cruelty to the animal…

I voted “none of my business” as that is just what it is. What people do with their animals at home is none of my business. And who am I to judge them anyway…?

I Just...

It's soooo...

AUUGGGHHHHH!!!!! Let's just stick with gays and be done with it!:headbang:

'course, after homosexuality is full blown legalized and commended by the gov't, beastial people will be taking to the streets to take us down the next level. I'd rather spend an eternity fighting homosexuality than this. Uggh!

I had several braincells die from reading that. I hope you're happy...

Hvaing sex with a dog is okay, as long as its not a gay dog.

Where are the animal right's activists when you actually NEED them?!

Come on you animal lovers (non-sexual lovers)- Please stop this Horrendous abuse of animals!
(It's strange who your bed fellows are when it comes to certain things)

On the other hand you probably enjoy the result of prolonged torture of animals on your plate daily. One can wonder if those animals themselves would not have preferred being someones sexslave...
Most of the animals I eat die a quick death, and are promptly ground up.

Me, if I had a choice between being screwed in the ass by that guy, or being stunned with a power hammer in the head and ground up for burgers... I'd take the hammer.

I've had a dog try to hump my leg but I just slapped him and walked away. He didn't even offer to buy me a drink or anything to break the ice.
It's so rude. I hate that.

Hang on, since when has Michael Jackson=rape?


Yay for language advancement.

Most of the animals I eat die a quick death, and are promptly ground up.

And your eggs are from free farmchickens as well ?
I commend you :)

Most of the animals I eat die a quick death, and are promptly ground up.

Me, if I had a choice between being screwed in the ass by that guy, or being stunned with a power hammer in the head and ground up for burgers... I'd take the hammer.

Me too!

Chop me up and eat me... after all, that's why the animals are there- to EAT, not.... *shudder*

Not that I'd enjoy eating dogs, cats, or other animals foreign to my diet.

It's so rude. I hate that.
I know, right? I was like, "Oh no you didn't just try to hump my leg, you broke-ass canine."

It's so rude. I hate that.

You think that's bad? My brother's dog tried to hump a baby. :eek:

He got neutered after that (the dog, not my brother :rolleyes: ).

Me too!

Chop me up and eat me... after all, that's why the animals are there- to EAT, not.... *shudder*
What kind of animal are you?

You think that's bad? My brother's dog tried to hump a baby. :eek:

He got neutered after that (the dog, not my brother :rolleyes: ).

I have a friend whose dog is, well, let's just say he can get real "friendly" with just about anybody...:p

On the other hand you probably enjoy the result of prolonged torture of animals on your plate daily. One can wonder if those animals themselves would not have preferred being someones sexslave...
Most animals don’t have the intelligence to “prefer” anything.

Honestly, I think it's pretty sick, I just voted yes for laughs.

And your eggs are from free farmchickens as well ?
I commend you :)

Hey I only eat free range eggs, organic non-pasteurized milk, and make my own bread. :D Though I'm much more filthy hippie-ish than DK, I've never known him to condone animal torture.

And your eggs are from free farmchickens as well ?
I commend you :)
I eat kosher poultry, and eggs from kosher chickens.

What kind of animal are you?

An Ass.;)

You think that's bad? My brother's dog tried to hump a baby. :eek:

He got neutered after that (the dog, not my brother :rolleyes: ).
Give it a few years. You might wish they'd done your brother too. ;)

An Ass.;)
Oh. I don't eat donkey.

Oh. I don't eat donkey.

Good thing for me!:p

Most animals don’t have the intelligence to “prefer” anything.

Sure they can. If thing A hurts more than thing B, they will prefer B over A (and prefer neither over that of course). However, I do not know if an animal would prefer significant pain and frustration twice a week caused by some guy sticking his dick in or continuous torment for its entire life due to being imprisoned in a cage too small to hold it. That somewhat depends on their memory.
That being said, animals like pigs and horses are quite bright.

Meh. Some people wear fur, some people eat animals, some people fuck them. Shades of cruelty among hypocrites.

That being said, animals like pigs and horses are quite bright.

Good thing the terms of service prevent me from posting a link to an Iraqi having sex with a donkey at night (observed through night vision devices at a nearby American outpost). We might end up asking ourselves if the donkey knew what was happenning.

As long as the dog is 18 and gives consent!

Meh. Some people wear fur, some people eat animals, some people fuck them. Shades of cruelty among hypocrites.
There are some personal types of hypcocrisy I've learned to live with. Eating bacon but finding it disgusting to mate with pigs is one that will probably be with me the rest of my life.

Good thing the terms of service prevent me from posting a link to an Iraqi having sex with a donkey at night (observed through night vision devices at a nearby American outpost). We might end up asking ourselves if the donkey knew what was happenning.

WHAT HAPPENED TO ME?!!

As long as the dog is 18 and gives consent!
What about animals who have a life span <18 years?

There are some personal types of hypcocrisy I've learned to live with. Eating bacon but finding it disgusting to mate with pigs is one that will probably be with me the rest of my life.
Please - the mental picture I have of some famous people having sex is bad enough.

What about animals who have a life span <18 years?

Just start counting in Dog years.

Please - the mental picture I have of some famous people having sex is bad enough.

Must be real nice to live in your world...:p

Beastiality should always be outlawed as the animals cannot consent...if they act as they are consenting it is usually instinct kicking in...

There are some personal types of hypcocrisy I've learned to live with. Eating bacon but finding it disgusting to mate with pigs is one that will probably be with me the rest of my life.

True.

How is raping an animal for sex worse/more disgusting than killing it for food ?

True.

How is raping an animal for sex worse/more disgusting than killing it for food ?

Something tells me that amongst our ancestors, it was much more common to run a deer down and kill it and eat it, and far less common to run a deer down and have sex with it.

Something tells me that amongst our ancestors, it was much more common to run a deer down and kill it and eat it, and far less common to run a deer down and have sex with it.

So its basically precedence and conditioned-thinking than a sense of morality/ethics ?

My point is that, harming another life form unless absolutely necessary (like you are in danger from it etc) is wrong and when you are willing to eat it because you like it, then why are you disgusted when somebody else wants to have sex with it because they like it ?

Abusing armadillos can be fun (http://www.armadillorun.com/), but be warned: The hedgehog can never be buggered at all (http://www.lammermoor.com/nannyogg/hedgehog.html).

I hope this doesnt cross-thread and we have to start wondering if the lo mein we are eating isnt really pork, but cat meat made from a cat that was fucked by someone before it was killed and stir fried.

although I'm betting a few individuals in here might think freshly fucked cat, sauteed in a red-wine demi-glace exquisitely appealing.

It'll be all the rage.

So its basically precedence and conditioned-thinking than a sense of morality/ethics ?

My point is that, harming another life form unless absolutely necessary (like you are in danger from it etc) is wrong and when you are willing to eat it because you like it, then why are you disgusted when somebody else wants to have sex with it because they like it ?

Well, it's a different kind of "like".

True.

How is raping an animal for sex worse/more disgusting than killing it for food ?
Bacon tastes good?

Honestly, thats as far as I'm willing to ponder this.

Bestiality is ok as long as it is between two consenting adults.
With both partners giving their consent in standard english (or whatever language is the official in the country).

After all, coming back in the next life as a llama is challenging enough.

End up in a farm or zoo somewhere near a college with a lot of fraternities? That would just be wrong.

Well, it's a different kind of "like".

It is both seeking pleasure for self at the expense of the other.

Not to be actually in support of it, but most animals are much more "free love" than us. Mostly because they have a much higher instinct to thinking ratio and don't have all those pesky morals to get in the way of their love making.

Not to be actually in support of it, but most animals are much more "free love" than us. Mostly because they have a much higher instinct to thinking ratio and don't have all those pesky morals to get in the way of their love making.

animals dont make love, they bang just like theres no tommorrow.

My point is that, harming another life form unless absolutely necessary (like you are in danger from it etc) is wrong and when you are willing to eat it because you like it, then why are you disgusted when somebody else wants to have sex with it because they like it ?

In your eyes, anyway.

For me, harming another life form is wrong unless you intend to do something useful with the carcas, like eat it. If you're killing an animal for sport, and don't intend to do anything with the body then it's wrong. Killing for food is fine and dandy.

The eating thing doesn't apply to humans. Obviously.

The eating thing doesn't apply to humans. Obviously.
Why not?
Admittedly, humans doesn't taste very good (use lots of spices), most predators don't, but all things being equal, why not humans?
They're just mammals.

The good things is, since they are your own species, you can move among them without being suspected as a predator.








((Ok, that post even creeped me out a bit. Not as funny as I had hoped.))

Why not?
Admittedly, humans doesn't taste very good (use lots of spices), most predators don't, but all things being equal, why not humans?
They're just mammals.

Because I think it's wrong. Simple as. That's the beauty of morals; you're free to disagree.

Why not?
Admittedly, humans doesn't taste very good (use lots of spices), most predators don't, but all things being equal, why not humans?
They're just mammals.

The good things is, since they are your own species, you can move among them without being suspected as a predator.


((Ok, that post even creeped me out a bit. Not as funny as I had hoped.))

True! You could just turn around and point the finger at one of these guys:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=488666

(Yes, I just whored my own thread...)

In your eyes, anyway.

For me, harming another life form is wrong unless you intend to do something useful with the carcas, like eat it.... Killing for food is fine and dandy.


By that logic, having sex with an animal for your pleasure should also be fine and dandy.

Now that is one poll I never even thought I would see, not even on NS General.

Silly me.

Because I think it's wrong. Simple as. That's the beauty of morals; you're free to disagree.
I know that. My post was meant as a joke.
Didn't you read the parenthesis further down?


Not a very funny joke sadly, but the intention was there.

By that logic, having sex with an animal for your pleasure should also be fine and dandy.

Don't presume to tell me what I should think.

I know that. My post was meant as a joke.
Didn't you read the parenthesis further down?


Not a very funny joke sadly, but the intention was there.

Of course, but it was so bad a joke it demanded a response :p

Don't presume to tell me what I should think.

lol.
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lol.

Don't make this personal.

I wasn't aware that I was.

Hvaing sex with a dog is okay, as long as its not a gay dog.

A Colbert fan?

I wasn't aware that I was.

ok.

You want to eat animals. Fine. I won't tell you not to.

But don't tell me that you find people who want to have sex with animals as disgusting because it is no more worse to kill an animal to eat it because you like to eat it, than having sex with it because you like to have sex with it.

And don't get riled up because somebody pokes at your smug morality that it is ok to eat an animal but it is disgusting to have sex with it.

But don't tell me that you find people who want to have sex with animals as disgusting because it is no more worse to kill an animal to eat it because you like to eat it, than having sex with it because you like to have sex with it.

You know what? Bullshit. Not everything is that black and white..."all things done to animals are wrong". Nope. Some things done to animals are wrong, some are fine. That's my take on it. Everyone's different, you're just trying to be high and mighty.

And don't get riled up because somebody pokes at your smug morality that it is ok to eat an animal but it is disgusting to have sex with it.

Hey, I'm not the one laying down the moral absolutes.

Of course, but it was so bad a joke it demanded a response :p
To that, alas, I can make no defence.
I had it coming. ;)

You a christian and bush voter aren't you? :p

Oh my word. You just made my day with that.
I seriously cannot stop laughing :p

Ok... but on the topic, I think it is bad enough with porn and such... why make innocent animals suffer for pleasure? It's sick.

Ok... but on the topic, I think it is bad enough with porn and such... why make innocent animals suffer for pleasure? It's sick.
As to that, I'd amend that to: Why make innocent animals and women suffer for the sake of satisfying a bunch of perverts?

As to that, I'd amend that to: Why make innocent animals and women suffer for the sake of satisfying a bunch of perverts?

Merci. My whole take on this is fine whatever. So long as the animal is not harmed go ahead. I will never do it but hey none of my business what others do behind closed doors.

If killing and eating animals is okay, then yes, beastiality is as well.

It's perfectly legal in my homestate

I think in India a woman married a snake.

I think in India a woman married a snake.
Yeah, well, my buddy married a bitch. ;)

If killing and eating animals is okay, then yes, beastiality is as well.
I dont see the connection.

Originally Posted by Soheran
If killing and eating animals is okay, then yes, beastiality is as well.
I dont see the connection.

I think the meaning here is that if people support one harmful act against animals, they are hypocrites if they don't support another, and should think that the other harmful act is ok as well.

It's a flawed kind of argument you see a lot of in online forums, and Soheran is far from the only one to use the method.

By that logic, having sex with an animal for your pleasure should also be fine and dandy.

The boss of peta seems to think so.

Unless its mutual consent and no one gets hurt... then I could really care less what you do with an animal.

No, it's not okay. There's no way to prove whether sex with an animal was consentual, so it renders it pretty much wrong no matter what; cruelty to animals is cruelty to animals and bestiality is pretty much always going to be nonconsentual making it a violation of those laws.

Plus, it's pretty disgusting...

I dont see the connection.

If you're going to say that an animal's right to life doesn't supersede a human being's desire to kill and eat it, then it's nonsense to claim that an animal's right to consent to sexual intercourse supersedes a human being's desire to have sexual intercourse with it.

Yeah... now that I think of it... what makes bestiality any so different from eating it...

If you're going to say that an animal's right to life doesn't supersede a human being's desire to kill and eat it, then it's nonsense to claim that an animal's right to consent to sexual intercourse supersedes a human being's desire to have sexual intercourse with it.

Why should it have the right to life?

Why should it have the right to life?

Who said it should?

If you're going to say that an animal's right to life doesn't supersede a human being's desire to kill and eat it, then it's nonsense to claim that an animal's right to consent to sexual intercourse supersedes a human being's desire to have sexual intercourse with it.

Animals kill other animals but don't have sex with the ones they kill...there's no connection between right to life and right to intercourse with them.

Animals kill other animals but don't have sex with the ones they kill...

Which proves what?

there's no connection between right to life and right to intercourse with them.

I really don't see how, short of nonsensical sexual puritanism, anyone could think that human beings can slaughter animals without their consent but not have sex with them without their consent.

Is it some sort of strange moral status animals have? They have human rights when you think violations of their human rights are "disgusting," but they don't when it will take the meat off your table?

Which proves what?

That they really have no common link.

I really don't see how, short of nonsensical sexual puritanism, anyone could think that human beings can slaughter animals without their consent but not have sex with them without their consent.

Is it some sort of strange moral status animals have? They have human rights when you think violations of their human rights are "disgusting," but they don't when it will take the meat off your table?

Well, humans kill animals for food. There are benefits to it that stem from our nature as animals; however, even when we kill animals there are laws protecting against inhumane means of killing them. Just because you kill animals for food and other purposes doesn't mean you have the right to abuse them when they were alive.

Is it some sort of strange moral status animals have? They have human rights when you think violations of their human rights are "disgusting," but they don't when it will take the meat off your table?
Nah, they're just bad at kissing.

Who said it should?


If you're going to say that an animal's right to life doesn't supersede a human being's desire to kill and eat it, then it's nonsense to claim that an animal's right to consent to sexual intercourse supersedes a human being's desire to have sexual intercourse with it.

Of course if I have horribly misunderstood this then I do apologise.

That they really have no common link.

But animals have no concept of "rights." They are willing to kill humans without our consent, but that doesn't prove that murder is justifiable.

Well, humans kill animals for food. There are benefits to it that stem from our nature as animals;

And there are benefits to using animals for sex, too.

however, even when we kill animals there are laws protecting against inhumane means of killing them. Just because you kill animals for food and other purposes doesn't mean you have the right to abuse them when they were alive.

And why not? The problem is, you're starting from the assumption that the only legitimate human use of animals that justifies their abuse is eating, but there's no good reason to make a distinction between using them for food and using them for sex. Pretty much every benefit from meat-eating can be replicated through other means today; we may not like using those other means, but the same thing applies to beastiality.

No, it's not okay. There's no way to prove whether sex with an animal was consentual, so it renders it pretty much wrong no matter what; cruelty to animals is cruelty to animals and bestiality is pretty much always going to be nonconsentual making it a violation of those laws.

Plus, it's pretty disgusting...

Personal disgust to something really can't come into an argument such as this. Many of the arguments against homosexuality have included personal disgust as one of their main points. Just because someone finds an activity disgusting, even if the majority agrees that it is disgusting, does not mean that there should legislation against it on that basis.

The argument around bestiality is kinda a difficult one, as its pretty difficult to have a position that is not hypocritical in some way. You can't say that its okay to kill and eat animals, which is of course without their consent, and then say that its not okay to have sex with animals due to lack of consent. In addition to the consent issue, it can be said that killing animals is a greater wrong than bestiality as it deprives the animal of its entire existence, which we can see in human legal affairs where murder is generally seen as the highest crime.
However, there are of course animal cruelty laws. Again the issue of hypocrisy comes up as its not illegal under these laws to kill animals for food, but that's just how things are when eating meat has been a part of society for so long, but thats not the point right now. Animal cruelty laws however, it could be said should protect these animals from bestiality, just as it would protect then from torture or other forms of abuse. However, animals are frequently castrated or sterilised by humans, which is without consent, and can be easily be seen as torture and harm to an animal, yet is allowed. One could argue that other cruel activities to animals are allowed, so why not bestiality?

In the end I think that there should not be laws making bestiality totally illegal, consent being a total non-issue to do with animals, as humans do things to animals without their consent all the time. It is also true that humans do things that cause suffering to animals all the time also, but with animal suffering there is pressure and efforts made to ensure that there is as minimal suffering for animals as possible.
Due to this, I think that bestiality should be allowed, as long as there is no obvious physical harm being caused to the animal.

Of course if I have horribly misunderstood this then I do apologise.

By "right to life" I meant "whatever moral value we invest in its life," not a "right" in the sense of an inviolable liberty or protection. I thought the context made that clear.

Really though the reason why bestiality is illegal is due to moral objection to the activity, which has simply continued from when the laws were formed to today. There is no sound basis to prohibit sexual activity with animals, while allowing their killing on a large scale.

dude..why are we arguing its just...gross..ew..the animals dont want to do it..just dude...ew?..why the hell would you do a dog...dude.

On the other hand you probably enjoy the result of prolonged torture of animals on your plate daily. One can wonder if those animals themselves would not have preferred being someones sexslave...

Generally, we don't let them complain. Kill 'em and Grill 'em!