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Because I'm sick and tired of all of the Star Wars vs Star Trek debates. To make this more specific, let's say the Goa'uld at their apex vs the Dalek race at theirs.

Now, I'm off to put on my flame proof suit.

I think stargate is way cooler, they actually have explanations for what they do. As far fetched as they mite b they do have explanations, and better graphics. Dr. Who's enemy the Darlics or however u spell it seem kinda stupid, robots. Tho at the end of this season when the chick got the power of the time vortex or w/e was pretty cool.

Over all Stargate is a far better Sci-Fi show, as compared to Dr. Who which is really just a fiction show.

Because I'm sick and tired of all of the Star Wars vs Star Trek debates.

Pah. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=390531

Dr Who wins on humour.

I wouldn't be taking sides in that conflict though. I'd be off to the universe next door with anyone who wants to come along.

Assuming the UND has reasonably similar universal constants, of course. Could get messy otherwise.

Dr. Who's enemy the Darlics or however u spell it seem kinda stupid, robots.

Schoolboy error: Daleks aren't robots - every Mark III Travel Machine contains a living organic lifeform.

the go'auld would win, then go on the fight the galaxy of Kittens, and be promtly defeated by the master Kitten Race.

I think stargate is way cooler, they actually have explanations for what they do.
Except why all aliens in all galaxies can speak English. Without an universal translater.

I think stargate is way cooler, they actually have explanations for what they do. As far fetched as they mite b they do have explanations, and better graphics. Dr. Who's enemy the Darlics or however u spell it seem kinda stupid, robots. Tho at the end of this season when the chick got the power of the time vortex or w/e was pretty cool.

Over all Stargate is a far better Sci-Fi show, as compared to Dr. Who which is really just a fiction show.

Clearly you have no sense of culture. Dr. Who isn't just some show with cheesy robots who yell Exterminate! It has a history! I mean, this thing has been around longer than Trek! (I think).

Plus, it's not about Doctor Who being better, it's about who would win if they duked it out!

That's why I chose #3

Clearly you have no sense of culture. Dr. Who isn't just some show with cheesy robots who yell Exterminate!

They ain't robots.

It has a history! I mean, this thing has been around longer than Trek! (I think).

First episode of Doctor Who - November 23, 1963 (the day Kennedy was shot).

First episode of Star Trek - officially September 8, 1966 (although apparently a few days earlier in Canada).

Except why all aliens in all galaxies can speak English. Without an universal translater.

Um not all of them could, however the majority of them could do to the ancients others, such as the Azgard/Ferblings or w/e the heck they were called learned the language in like a day or 2.

They ain't robots.



First episode of Doctor Who - November 23, 1963 (the day Kennedy was shot).

First episode of Star Trek - officially September 8, 1966 (although apparently a few days earlier in Canada).

True. I am ashamed. I got to commit Seppuku now. :(

Incidentally, I'm the Big A now?

I gotta go with the Doctor. When that Dalek kills the contestant girl who's held up in that armored room by going out into space and blasting the view port-and there's no sound just the flashing lights to let you know he's saying "Exterminate." That was badass.

The bipolar nature of the Doctor allows them to shift gears quickly between light humor and serious moral dilema. And those dilemas are more complex and compelling on Doctor Who.

When it comes down to it, I just can't get into Stargate. It bookends shows I like a great deal more (Battlestar Galactica and Doctor Who) and I don't have a remote right now so I've been prone to watching the Stargates and it just illicits nothing from me. Thought I'll admit that this isn't really fair, it just seems like the same ol' same ol' to me. The Atlantis one almost has the anime Quintet-Hero, anti-hero, princess, big guy and big guy's little spazz friend. Though instead of big guy they have spazz scientist.

But again, that's not really fair. For whatever reason, it just doesn't click.

I gotta go with the Doctor. When that Dalek kills the contestant girl who's held up in that armored room by going out into space and blasting the view port-and there's no sound just the flashing lights to let you know he's saying "Exterminate." That was badass.

The bipolar nature of the Doctor allows them to shift gears quickly between light humor and serious moral dilema. And those dilemas are more complex and compelling on Doctor Who.

When it comes down to it, I just can't get into Stargate. It bookends shows I like a great deal more (Battlestar Galactica and Doctor Who) and I don't have a remote right now so I've been prone to watching the Stargates and it just illicits nothing from me. Thought I'll admit that this isn't really fair, it just seems like the same ol' same ol' to me. The Atlantis one almost has the anime Quintet-Hero, anti-hero, princess, big guy and big guy's little spazz friend. Though instead of big guy they have spazz scientist.

But again, that's not really fair. For whatever reason, it just doesn't click.

I know. The only person they have who could possibly be big guy is Ronin, and he's a puny little runt.

Um not all of them could, however the majority of them could do to the ancients others, such as the Azgard/Ferblings or w/e the heck they were called learned the language in like a day or 2.
Alright. The Asgard. I'll give you that. But what about everyone else? Every planet/galaxy the team goes to speaks English.

I know. The only person they have who could possibly be big guy is Ronin, and he's a puny little runt.

Um the Wraith, immortal beings who constantly regenerate.

Alright. The Asgard. I'll give you that. But what about everyone else? Every planet/galaxy the team goes to speaks English.

And to think they went through all that trouble to bring a linguist along,

Schoolboy error: Daleks aren't robots - every Mark III Travel Machine contains a living organic lifeform.
Each one a genius, if I've got that right...

Wasn't there some episode where the Cybermen kidnaped the Doctor so he could come up with an unconventional strategy to break a deadlock in a war between Daleks and Cybermen?

Also, whatever happened to The Master?

Um the Wraith, immortal beings who constantly regenerate.

And periodically get locked in Atlantis and experimented on. But that's besides the point. I was being sarcastic, because he implied that there wasn't a large protagonist on Stargate Atlantis.

I know. The only person they have who could possibly be big guy is Ronin, and he's a puny little runt.
I don't know the names-if he's the dreadlock dude then he's the anti-hero.

And to think they went through all that trouble to bring a linguist along,
Exactly.

GO STARGATE!!!

"Tak satak Oz!"

I don't know the names-if he's the dreadlock dude then he's the anti-hero.

He is the dreadlock dude, but anti-hero honors definitely reside with Ford, the Wraith Junky ex millitary tough guy played by Rainbow Sun Francis.

True. I am ashamed.

Quarks, War Machines, the Giant Robot, Mechanoids, Chumblies, Yeti, Movellans - all robots. Daleks? Nope.

Incidentally, I'm the Big A now?

Big A, Little A, Bouncing B - whatever takes your fancy, or would you prefer 'ligature' or 'ash'?

Well now were talking about 3 diffrent shows tho.
Because as far as i know Dr. Who just as the 1 show, while stargate has Atlantis and SG1.

Quarks, War Machines, the Giant Robot, Mechanoids, Chumblies, Yeti, Movellans - all robots. Daleks? Nope.



Big A, Little A, Bouncing B - whatever takes your fancy, or would you prefer 'ligature' or 'ash'?

Are the Cybermen robots yet or are they still cyborgs? I'm not sure how far they got upgraded.

I'd have to go with Dr.Who, because, he is just more fun, and sometimes creepier, although I do like Stargate, I just seem to watch more Dr.Who.

Well now were talking about 3 diffrent shows though.
Because as far as i know Dr. Who just as the 1 show, while stargate has Atlantis and SG1.

Aye, both of those together still don't match the sheer longevity of the Doctor. That's the great bit about the regeneration. They don't need spinoffs.

Although there is Torchwood. Anybody know when that's coming out?

Well now were talking about 3 diffrent shows tho.
Because as far as i know Dr. Who just as the 1 show, while stargate has Atlantis and SG1.

Well, its got two cinematic movies featuring a human 'Doctor Who', two different sets of series (seasons 1-27 and series 1-2) featuring an alien 'Doctor', a made for TV movie featuring a half-human/half-alien 'Doctor', not to mention the various and assorted original novels and audio plays (some of which feature an alien 'Doctor', some a human 'Doctor' and some a fictional 'Doctor Who').

Aye, both of those together still don't match the sheer longevity of the Doctor. That's the great bit about the regeneration. They don't need spinoffs.

Trying to blank out K9 And Company, are we?

Well, its got two cinematic movies featuring a human 'Doctor Who', two different sets of series (seasons 1-27 and series 1-2) featuring an alien 'Doctor', a made for TV movie featuring a half-human/half-alien 'Doctor', not to mention the various and assorted original novels and audio plays (some of which feature an alien 'Doctor', some a human 'Doctor' and some a fictional 'Doctor Who').

No! Don't ever mention that movie! (The cinematic ones) They are EVIL! EVIL! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIL!

Well yes it was longer, however, stargate is newer, and compelling the 2 story lines halves the amount of time it would take to cover the same amount of material. Plus its easier for newcomers, since there is less history.

O yea Dr. Who is much funnier.

Trying to blank out K9 And Company, are we?

I don't know about that. I'm a relative newcomer to the Doctor Who fandom. But that was only one episode, no?

Are the Cybermen robots yet or are they still cyborgs? I'm not sure how far they got upgraded.

Cyborgs, I believe, but the exact status of cybermats (as to whether they are cybernetic animals or robots) varies depending upon which source material you favour.

I don't know about that. I'm a relative newcomer to the Doctor Who fandom. But that was only one episode, no?

Indeed. One episode too many.

Except why all aliens in all galaxies can speak English. Without an universal translater.


Actually... in SEVERAL episodes the SG1 characters have commented on this... and also commented on why every other alien planet looks like yet another field in colorado...

The explanations are that other alien races are advanced compared to the humans and are multi-lingual... That the asgard have been studying humans for decades and learnt it that way, Gouald took humans from various cultures of humans from earth.

(There's been at least one Celtic gouald, the celts being british/western-european, and with the Asgard having infulence on the Norse people... the combination of the two would help to recreate english :P)

No! Don't ever mention that movie! (The cinematic ones) They are EVIL! EVIL! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIL!

They are okay: just different. One features Bernard Cribbens as a companion, the other features Roy Castle - what is not to like?

Each one a genius, if I've got that right...

Wasn't there some episode where the Cybermen kidnaped the Doctor so he could come up with an unconventional strategy to break a deadlock in a war between Daleks and Cybermen?

I believe you're confusing the cybermen with the Movellans there.

Also, whatever happened to The Master?

He was killed, and then came back to life, and then was killed again - of course, if we accept the claims about the Time War in the new series he was also all but erased from history like all the other Time Lords.*



* but, of course, it is most likely that the Doctor will eventually be revealed not to be the last Time Lord.

They are okay: just different. One features Bernard Cribbens as a companion, the other features Roy Castle - what is not to like?

Are we talking about the movie with the Dalek and the weird people and the annoying little quantam physics girl?

EVIL!

I believe you're confusing the cybermen with the Movellans there.



He was killed, and then came back to life, and then was killed again - of course, if we accept the claims about the Time War in the new series he was also all but erased from history like all the other Time Lords.*



* but, of course, it is most likely that the Doctor will eventually be revealed not to be the last Time Lord.

Right. We've got two confirmed Dalek survivals so far.

He is the dreadlock dude, but anti-hero honors definitely reside with Ford, the Wraith Junky ex millitary tough guy played by Rainbow Sun Francis.
No dude, you're not getting this.

Lets go to Voltron for the example.

Lance, in the red lion, was the Hero-nice, squeaky. This is your whatshisname, the guy they always send out leader dude.

Keith is your anti hero, you're racer X type, deep brooding and everyone tacitly regards him as the bad ass of the group.

Princess is the princess. If this needs more explination then we're having too advanced a discussion for your level of understanding.

Hunk is your big guy-kinda goofy, stronger than he realises, often the subject of comic relief with his little friend. Often the mechanic. Do you see how dreadlock guy does not qualify?

Pidge is the big guys little friend, often a techie and victim of the big guys clumsiness.

You're whatsitwhoeveryoumentioned at best would fill the 'other' Racer X role of "man of uneasy alliance" who isn't part of the main group but comes in now and then to provide what is at best questionable help.

Now do you understand how this works?

Are we talking about the movie with the Dalek and the weird people and the annoying little quantam physics girl?

EVIL!

You obviously have little appreciation of British humourous character actors of the sixities. Heathen

I believe you're confusing the cybermen with the Movellans there.



He was killed, and then came back to life, and then was killed again - of course, if we accept the claims about the Time War in the new series he was also all but erased from history like all the other Time Lords.*



* but, of course, it is most likely that the Doctor will eventually be revealed not to be the last Time Lord.
See, this is what I was thinking, and I could be wrong because the early episodes are really just a haze-

Would The Master really involve himself in the big time war with the Daleks and the Time Lords, and if he didn't would whatever Dr. Who did affect him anyway-and what the hell did Dr. Who do to wipe out both, and if one Dalek and a Dalek fleet survived couldn't it be possible in some way (even though The Doctor says he'd know up in his nogin-but would he know about The Master?) that some Time Lords survived? Cause I seem to remember at one point he had a Time Lord companion and that was kinda cool...

Anyway...

Trying to blank out K9 And Company, are we?
Wow, seriously?

Wow, seriously?

Worse than you could possibly imagine.

See, this is what I was thinking, and I could be wrong because the early episodes are really just a haze-

Would The Master really involve himself in the big time war with the Daleks and the Time Lords, and if he didn't would whatever Dr. Who did affect him anyway-

... he had already been killed for the second time prior to the time war.

...and what the hell did Dr. Who do to wipe out both, and if one Dalek and a Dalek fleet survived couldn't it be possible in some way (even though The Doctor says he'd know up in his nogin-but would he know about The Master?) that some Time Lords survived? Cause I seem to remember at one point he had a Time Lord companion and that was kinda cool...

Romana. The 'interesting'* thing is that she was last seen in E-space - effectrively an entirely different cosmos, and so the question hangs as to exactly how she would have been affected by whatever doomsday device the Doctor used. To say nothing of other exiles from Gallifrey such as the Meddling Monk.

Nevermind the question of how a Dalek fell through time to Earth in the C21st, I want to know what the hell caused a reel-to-reel recorder to fall through time to London in the days of the Blitz...


* and by 'interesting' I actually mean 'hideously anorak'.

... he had already been killed for the second time prior to the time war.



Romana. The 'interesting'* thing is that she was last seen in E-space - effectrively an entirely different cosmos, and so the question hangs as to exactly how she would have been affected by whatever doomsday device the Doctor used. To say nothing of other exiles from Gallifrey such as the Meddling Monk.


* and by 'interesting' I actually mean 'hideously anorak'.
Killed killed-cause don't they have that regeneration thing goin' for them?

No dude, you're not getting this.

Lets go to Voltron for the example.

Lance, in the red lion, was the Hero-nice, squeaky. This is your whatshisname, the guy they always send out leader dude.

Keith is your anti hero, you're racer X type, deep brooding and everyone tacitly regards him as the bad ass of the group.

Princess is the princess. If this needs more explination then we're having too advanced a discussion for your level of understanding.

Hunk is your big guy-kinda goofy, stronger than he realises, often the subject of comic relief with his little friend. Often the mechanic. Do you see how dreadlock guy does not qualify?

Pidge is the big guys little friend, often a techie and victim of the big guys clumsiness.

You're whatsitwhoeveryoumentioned at best would fill the 'other' Racer X role of "man of uneasy alliance" who isn't part of the main group but comes in now and then to provide what is at best questionable help.

Now do you understand how this works?

I'm just saying this. He's big, he's a guy. He also brought Rodney a log when he asked for a stick.

And I'm rather afraid I don't watch this 'Racer X' 'Voltron' thingy.

Besides, you appear to be replacing the 'big guy' with Rodney...

See, this is what I was thinking, and I could be wrong because the early episodes are really just a haze-

Would The Master really involve himself in the big time war with the Daleks and the Time Lords, and if he didn't would whatever Dr. Who did affect him anyway-and what the hell did Dr. Who do to wipe out both, and if one Dalek and a Dalek fleet survived couldn't it be possible in some way (even though The Doctor says he'd know up in his nogin-but would he know about The Master?) that some Time Lords survived? Cause I seem to remember at one point he had a Time Lord companion and that was kinda cool...

Anyway...

You...

You did not just do that. You called him...

You called him Dr. Who. This must be avenged. I'm calling out the ninja pirate monkey lumberjack viking spartan alien penguins.

Killed killed-cause don't they have that regeneration thing goin' for them?

He had already used up his entire cycle of regenerations, but somehow managed to transfer himself into another body, and was somehow able to regenerate again in that body, but was eventually killed by the Daleks, only to somehow rise again, before being sucked into a black hole. The continuity surrounding the character doesn't really hold up to close scrutiny.

You...

You did not just do that. You called him...

You called him Dr. Who. This must be avenged. I'm calling out the ninja pirate monkey lumberjack viking spartan alien penguins.

Hey, if the computer WOTAN can refer to him as 'Doctor Who' in The War Machines, and the end credits for most of the run of the series can similarly do so, then I think C'toan should be given some leniency here.

Hey, if the computer WOTAN can refer to him as 'Doctor Who' in The War Machines, and the end credits for most of the run of the series can similarly do so, then I think C'toan should be given some leniency here.

Nope. It just means that he'll only be the first target. My ninja pirate monkey lumberjack viking spartan alien penguins will be busy tonight!

Nope. It just means that he'll only be the first target. My ninja pirate monkey lumberjack viking spartan alien penguins will be busy tonight!

Meh. So you prefer to stick to your own preconceived notions rather that actually paying attention to the evidence on screen?

I don't care what any Johnny-come-lately franchise sez, when you're talking Daleks, you're talking about an utterly ruthless culture, who don't think in terms of exterminating or even dominating single worlds as their ultimate ends. They don't think on pifflingly small scales like that.

When Daleks speak of invasions, they're talking about invading whole galaxies, or even galactic superclusters. Their intent is to extend control throughout the Universe in its' entirety, and ultimately, to control the entire Universe throughout all Time as well.

Goa' wha -? Who? Oh wait - I remember now. Yeah, they made good axle grease for the advance wave.

Meh. So you prefer to stick to your own preconceived notions rather that actually paying attention to the evidence on screen?

He is The Doctor! Not Doctor Who!

Darn it to heck! Everythign I know is crashing down about my ears. Excuse me while go sob uncontrollably. :(

I'm just saying this. He's big, he's a guy. He also brought Rodney a log when he asked for a stick.

And I'm rather afraid I don't watch this 'Racer X' 'Voltron' thingy.

Besides, you appear to be replacing the 'big guy' with Rodney...
If you haven't watched the anime quintet archetype cartoons than don't presume to correct me on thier application. And what kind of person hasn't watched Voltron...sheesh...

Being 'big' is polite for fat. There, I said it. Get unstuck.

EDIT: This comes off as too serious, so I'm putting a random smilie to demonstrate that I'm not taking this as seriously as it looks. :D

He had already used up his entire cycle of regenerations, but somehow managed to transfer himself into another body, and was somehow able to regenerate again in that body, but was eventually killed by the Daleks, only to somehow rise again, before being sucked into a black hole. The continuity surrounding the character doesn't really hold up to close scrutiny.
Okay, this is the last one-I swear;

Couldn't it be possible that since they exist in time non-linearly that they could run across The Master in a time before he was sucked into a black hole (How'd that happen?). Like if we took two strings of their lives and tossed them on the floor they would intersect at different points in each other so that while one would end earlier than the other it could still loop back and intersect...if that makes any sense...That's something I've always wondered in Doctor Who, if he'd run across people he's already met but it's earlier in thier life so they don't know him yet-that has to have happened.

I don't care what any Johnny-come-lately franchise sez, when you're talking Daleks, you're talking about an utterly ruthless culture, who don't think in terms of exterminating or even dominating single worlds as their ultimate ends. They don't think on pifflingly small scales like that.

When Daleks speak of invasions, they're talking about invading whole galaxies, or even galactic superclusters. Their intent is to extend control throughout the Universe in its' entirety, and ultimately, to control the entire Universe throughout all Time as well.

Daleks are so hard that they think nothing of having over 60% of their attack force be cardboard cutouts. Now that is confidence for you.

Look carefully:

http://dwclips.steve-p.org/potd4_3.jpg

Number of three-dimensional daleks in this picture - 1.
Number of 2D cardboard cutout daleks - 10.

It would be tough, the Goa'uld have some highly advanced tech working for them (Ancient Tech is about a thousand times better than Dalek) and Daleks haven't shown any real resistance to Energy weapons which could mean that Staff weapons would work well against them.

In the end, it would have to come down to whether Anubis was around in half ascended form (with accordant superweapon) because he could wipe the Daleks out, otherwise the Daleks would win through sheer numbers.

Daleks are so hard that they think nothing of having over 60% of their attack force be cardboard cutouts. Now that is confidence for you.
Well, look out then, all you two-dimensional aliens! Don't think lacking Z-depth'll save you from annihilation... the Daleks have you covered!

It would be tough, the Goa'uld have some highly advanced tech working for them (Ancient Tech is about a thousand times better than Dalek) and Daleks haven't shown any real resistance to Energy weapons which could mean that Staff weapons would work well against them.

Ah, but do the Goa'uld have time travel technology?

Ah, but do the Goa'uld have time travel technology?
And do they have:


the insatiable desire to destroy everything that isn't Dalek (erm... Goa'uld)?



the sheer numbers?



the single-minded determination to overcome odds at any cost?

And do they have:


the insatiable desire to destroy everything that isn't Dalek (erm... Goa'uld)?



the sheer numbers?



the single-minded determination to overcome odds at any cost?

They have all that and the unwavering belief that they are gods.

And do they have:


the insatiable desire to destroy everything that isn't Dalek (erm... Goa'uld)?



the sheer numbers?



the single-minded determination to overcome odds at any cost?



the ability to get their crinkly green mutant asses kicked by human beings, Mechanoids, Thals and just about anybody else they mess with? Ahhh. Point against the Daleks there, I believe.

Actually... in SEVERAL episodes the SG1 characters have commented on this... and also commented on why every other alien planet looks like yet another field in colorado...

The explanations are that other alien races are advanced compared to the humans and are multi-lingual... That the asgard have been studying humans for decades and learnt it that way, Gouald took humans from various cultures of humans from earth.

(There's been at least one Celtic gouald, the celts being british/western-european, and with the Asgard having infulence on the Norse people... the combination of the two would help to recreate english :P)
Oh please. Thats the dumbest explanation. Celts, Mongols, Vikings. They all speak English because their from earth. In case you haven't noticed. Most people on the other worlds thet encounter are no more advanced then medieval earth. The Abydonians from the movie where the only off worlders who didn't speak English. Untill Daniel Jackson taught it to them. Also, most populations on the other worlds seem to consist of no more people then the ones Sg-1 or the Atlantis team encounters. One would think that an earthlike planet would have a larger population then a few hundred.

The thing is, that the show would be a lot less entertaining if SG-1 had to go through even just 5 minutes each episode teaching everybody to speak the same language so that the rest of the show could happen. And adding some sort of universal translatomatic or whatever would (in my opinion) detract from the experience,

As far as the show goes canonically, it seems to me the Goa'uld would probably find it convenient for their slaves to be able to talk to each other easily, and english (USAcentricity aside) really is an easy language to learn, what with out all the bothersome aspects of most languages like intonation, pronunciation and most grammar. English is becoming more and more universal on earth, and I see no reason why it wouldn't do the same thing on an interstellar scale when given the opportunity.

The abydonians are of course a special case, inconsistency's there can be explained as movie-series conflicts though.

As for the Goa'uld abilities against an opponenet like the Daleks

Time travel is irrelevant, having both of them battle at the peak of each others power wouldn't matter if one could just go and kill the other off before they got to the peak of their power, and it seems that the Time/Space rules of the Dr. Whoverse don't allow the sort of paradoxes it would take for time travel to be advantageous in any other manner.

As for the three mentioned by Dobbs

1. yes, or at least enslave it.
2. They don't quite have the numbers but they have the advantages of shields that work against energy weapons (like the Daleks blaster thingy) and a variety of exotic and deadly weapons and devices easily capable of destroying Daleks in huge quantities (Naquadah Bomb! :mp5:). I also don't think the Daleks would have an easy time using their plunger arms to interface with Goa'uld tech (esp. not the Ancient derived stuff that requires Naquadah in the blood)
3. Yes, but they also have the adaptability and intelligence to use things the Daleks don't seem to have even heard of. Things like 'tactics' and 'innovative new weapons' and whatnot.

The deciding factor would still be Anubis and his superweapon/hyper-mother ship/half ascendedness/stolen asguard tech.

I´ve been watching the new Dr Who series as of lately. And I realy enjoy them. I remember watching a couple of old eps as a kid. I didn´t realy like them back then. Since I didn´t got the whole man in a flying phonebooth thingy. Plus having Billie Piper on the show is a big plus. I forgot how pretty she is. :) Too bad she´s leaving the show again so soon.:(

Dr Who would kick everybody's butt.
Did you see the recent Satan's Pit episode? His Tardis tows a spaceship out of a Black Hole! I'd like to see Richard Dean Anderson try that one.

Stargate FTW! Season 10 starts in 13 days! :fluffle:

Dr Who would kick everybody's butt.
Did you see the recent Satan's Pit episode? His Tardis tows a spaceship out of a Black Hole! I'd like to see Richard Dean Anderson try that one.
Yeah. I did. Brilliant episode. The whole Satan bit was pretty cool. Big horned beast, chained to the walls. Too bad though that each season only has 13 eps. It´s kinda addictive.

:sniper: stargate is way better......doctor who is just plain dumb over all...staargate at least has the better grafics guns and equipment and such..and a wider variety of enemysso i say this to doctor whoi :upyours:

Dr Who would kick everybody's butt.
Did you see the recent Satan's Pit episode? His Tardis tows a spaceship out of a Black Hole! I'd like to see Richard Dean Anderson try that one.
MacGyver would do it with a paper clip a nd some chewing gum.;)
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From what i have seen of both programs i'd say the Daleks would beat the Goa'uld.

Apopheus was so much cooler than Anubis.

MacGyver would do it with a paper clip a nd some chewing gum.;)
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From what i have seen of both programs i'd say the Daleks would beat the Goa'uld.

Apopheus was so much cooler than Anubis.
Meh. Baal is by far the most badass Goa'ould.

:sniper: stargate is way better......doctor who is just plain dumb over all...staargate at least has the better grafics guns and equipment and such..and a wider variety of enemysso i say this to doctor whoi :upyours:
:p
:fluffle:

The Dalek are funny creatures.

Meh. Baal is by far the most badass Goa'ould.
Baal is only starting to be big on Stargate right now, over how.
Apart from this season the last season we got was in 2003.
i'd say we are 12 episdoes into the 2004 season Jack was made Brg Gen at the start of the season and the last episode involved this secretative group that almost infiltrated the White house and Kremlin.
The Ruskies, China and USA almost go to war when the Russians suspect the Gouald have taken over the White House.

We used to be relativly up to date with episodes but like i said September 2003 and then March 2005.
That is a long wait too long in fact.:(
Baal is feared but it aint dire.

Thats the last i'll say or see in this thread because i don't want anything ruined for me.

Baal is only starting to be big on Stargate right now, over how.
Apart from this season the last season we got was in 2003.
i'd say we are 12 episdoes into the 2004 season Jack was made Brg Gen at the start of the season and the last episode involved this secretative group that almost infiltrated the White house and Kremlin.
The Ruskies, China and USA almost go to war when the Russians suspect the Gouald have taken over the White House.

We used to be relativly up to date with episodes but like i said September 2003 and then March 2005.
That is a long wait too long in fact.:(
Baal is feared but it aint dire.
I think we aren´t even that far. Jack is still colonel here. Jonas returned to his homeworld last week and Daniel returned from the higher plains. But the newest eps are availebal on DVD already.

:sniper: stargate is way better......doctor who is just plain dumb over all...staargate at least has the better grafics guns and equipment and such..and a wider variety of enemysso i say this to doctor whoi :upyours:
I doubt you've seen more than a couple of episodes of Doctor Who. And old ones at that. Care to give some reasons why Doctor Who isn't any good, other than "dumb"?

Oh, and congrats on the stereotypical NS first post, complete with gun and middle finger smileys!:cool:

Puny humans with their 'graphics' and their 'guns' and their thoughts that anything could ever possibly surmount the might, the will, and the tenacity of the Daleks.

Not even scriptwriters could hope to save these 'Go-Go' people from total extermination (http://whomix.trilete.net/download.php?remixid=114).

Doctor Who is a show for kids and Stargate is a show for nerds

I prefur Doctor Who though because it has lots of life and energy. Stargate spends too much time explaining stuff which all just to made up anyway and there is only one real enemy which is just a group of people with gold in their foreheads and deep voices.

:sniper: stargate is way better......doctor who is just plain dumb over all...staargate at least has the better grafics guns and equipment and such..and a wider variety of enemys so i say this to doctor whoi :upyours:

:D :D
Thus speaks great ignorance.

Let's see: Daleks, Cybermen, Sontarans, Silurians, Quarks, Dominators, The Master, The Rani, Magnus (The War Chief), Draconians, Martians, Auton, Nestene, Dinosaurs, Drashigs, Time Lords, Slitheen, Abzorbaloff, Scaroth, The Gods of Ragnarok, Werewolves, Vampires, The Loch Ness Monster, The Gelth...

And that's just from the top of my head, there are many, many more. It /is/ 43 years old, after all.

:D :D
Thus speaks great ignorance.

Let's see: Daleks, Cybermen, Sontarans, Silurians, Quarks, Dominators, The Master, The Rani, Magnus (The War Chief), Draconians, Martians, Auton, Nestene, Dinosaurs, Drashigs, Time Lords, Slitheen, Abzorbaloff, Scaroth, The Gods of Ragnarok, Werewolves, Vampires, The Loch Ness Monster, The Gelth...

And that's just from the top of my head, there are many, many more. It /is/ 43 years old, after all.
Plus the Black Guardian and the Knights of Oberon

has any one mentioned thoose nasty Daleks the Special Weapons Daleks plus several other types Daleks like the spider Daleks and the Giant Striders

Doctor Who is a show for kids and Stargate is a show for nerds

I prefur Doctor Who though because it has lots of life and energy. Stargate spends too much time explaining stuff which all just to made up anyway and there is only one real enemy which is just a group of people with gold in their foreheads and deep voices.
The Jaffa have the forehead tattoos. The Goa'ould have deep voices. Completely different.

Oh, and you forget the Replicators, the Ori, the Lucian Alliance, and the Wraith (Atlantis). There are many other villians and villanous species, but most do not span more than one episode. Stargate isn't as old as Doctor Who. Give it time.

Except why all aliens in all galaxies can speak English. Without an universal translater.
Uh, babble fish? Ah yes tis the babble fish that allows me to explain this plot hole! If that doesn't work then I'll use the ultimate plot hole explanation” God works in mysterious ways"

Dr. Who vs. Stargate?

Battlestar Galactica.
Farscape.
Firefly.

:D :D
Thus speaks great ignorance.

Let's see: Daleks, Cybermen, Sontarans, Silurians, Quarks, Dominators, The Master, The Rani, Magnus (The War Chief), Draconians, Martians, Auton, Nestene, Dinosaurs, Drashigs, Time Lords, Slitheen, Abzorbaloff, Scaroth, The Gods of Ragnarok, Werewolves, Vampires, The Loch Ness Monster, The Gelth...

And that's just from the top of my head, there are many, many more. It /is/ 43 years old, after all.
Plus the Black Guardian and the Knights of Oberon
And of course Axos, the Zygons, Meglos, the Krynoids, the Ogrons, the Movellans, the Megara, the Ogri, Sutekh, the Foamasi, the Haemovores, the Tetraps, and the Wirrn.

Except why all aliens in all galaxies can speak English. Without an universal translater.

Most of the alien guys are human. They just spoke different versions of english

Dr. Who vs. Stargate?

Battlestar Galactica.

Old one or new one?

Farscape.

Good, except for the blatant (blatant!) Klingon rip off.

Firefly.

Very good, but didn't go on nearly long enough.

Firefly.
Made for a pretty good movie.

Most of the alien guys are human. They just spoke different versions of english
And all humans on earth of course all speak English. So it´s natural for the off world humans to speak English allthough most were taken from Earth before the English language even existed.:p

edit - in fact I see that you mentioned Romana in e-space a couple of posts later. That's what I get for not reading the entire thread before posting.

* but, of course, it is most likely that the Doctor will eventually be revealed not to be the last Time Lord.

I've been thinking about this....

Given that Romana was last seen (to the best of my knowledge) in a different dimension/type of space, one that even a Tardis has trouble crossing into, what are the chances that she might be brought back for a bit of hot n heavy Time Lord love action?

Especially with Billie Piper leaving....

I've been thinking about this....

Given that Romana was last seen (to the best of my knowledge) in a different dimension/type of space, one that even a Tardis has trouble crossing into, what are the chances that she might be brought back for a bit of hot n heavy Time Lord love action?....
I`d reckon slim.


Especially with Billie Piper leaving....
:( :( :( I´m so sad about that.:( :( :(
She´s probably gonna be killed judging by the introduction of the last ep and the Daleks returning.
She and Chris Eccleston revived the legend for the next generation and converted me.:(

i think the goa'uld would win. the darliks are just too bland a enemy. they are just boxes with lazers.

Given that Romana was last seen (to the best of my knowledge) in a different dimension/type of space, one that even a Tardis has trouble crossing into, what are the chances that she might be brought back for a bit of hot n heavy Time Lord love action?

Technically, no. While Romana was last seen in E-space in the series, she has been established in both novels and Audio plays as returning to the normal universe, and becoming president of Gallifrey.

While normally these could be ignored as being out of continuity, RTD, main scriptwriter and executive producer of the new series has stated that the Time Wars, that resulted in the destruction of both the Daleks and the Time Lords, was begun by Time Lord involvement during 'Genesis of the Daleks', and affected by President Romana's policies.

Goau'ld, obviously. Ships with 2 levels ftw!

Technically, no. While Romana was last seen in E-space in the series, she has been established in both novels and Audio plays as returning to the normal universe, and becoming president of Gallifrey.

While normally these could be ignored as being out of continuity, RTD, main scriptwriter and executive producer of the new series has stated that the Time Wars, that resulted in the destruction of both the Daleks and the Time Lords, was begun by Time Lord involvement during 'Genesis of the Daleks', and affected by President Romana's policies.

Perhaps, but until this has been definitively stated on screen, I'd say it's subject to change.

Dr. Who's never been too strong on rigid continuity... Between two different versions of the Dalek origin story, a Brigadier who can't decide which decade he's living in, whether the doctor is half-human or not, and any number of other examples which true anoraks could no doubt pull out of a hat, well...

As I said before, until it's up on screen, I don't consider it final.

And even if it is, they can still find a way to change it.

On the latter point I'm not even thinking of Romana. I'm mainly thinking of how they might get around the regeneration limit if it ever becomes an issue.

To quote Wiki on the subject of canonicity (since they sum it up so well)...

There has never been an "official" statement on what is canonical Doctor Who. Doctor Who has never had a single author or authority and it is apparent that the BBC, which owns the series, has generally not cared about the matter. The many creators of Doctor Who have always treated the concept of continuity loosely. Fans run a spectrum between those who consider only the television series canonical and those who consider all Doctor Who canonical. Within that spectrum many view the licensed novels and audio plays as at least near-canonical, and some of those would also include the Doctor Who Magazine comic strips. It is generally assumed that all televised Doctor Who episodes from 1963 to 1989, the 1981 spin-off K-9 and Company, the 1996 telemovie and the new series, which started in 2005, are canonical, including a 1965 episode in which the First Doctor breaks the fourth wall to wish viewers a Merry Christmas

On the latter point I'm not even thinking of Romana. I'm mainly thinking of how they might get around the regeneration limit if it ever becomes an issue.
There is a limit?

Perhaps, but until this has been definitively stated on screen, I'd say it's subject to change.

Well, perhaps, I guess we'll see when they elaborate on the Time Wars.


Dr. Who's never been too strong on rigid continuity... Between two different versions of the Dalek origin story, a Brigadier who can't decide which decade he's living in, whether the doctor is half-human or not, and any number of other examples which true anoraks could no doubt pull out of a hat, well...

The Brigadier? I guess you mean Mawdryn Undead? That was originally supposed to be Ian Chesterton, but it didn't work out, the Doctor being half-human? Can be argued that Time Lords pick up stray genetics from the species they're around. Alternately, by the audios, The humanoid form was seeded throughout the universe by Rassilon.

But these points, and the Daleks, are all potentially negated by the whole 'time travel' aspect. Of minor alterations of the Web of Time.

Of course, given that the Time Lords have been almost wiped out, it could be supposed that the Eye of Harmony has been destroyed (hence the TARDIS needing to refuel in the 2005 series), then the Web of Time no longer exists.


As I said before, until it's up on screen, I don't consider it final.

And even if it is, they can still find a way to change it.


Word.

On the latter point I'm not even thinking of Romana. I'm mainly thinking of how they might get around the regeneration limit if it ever becomes an issue.

Yes, there are some interesting possibilities that I've been considering. But it's interesting that the new series hasn't mentioned his limitation so far...

To quote Wiki on the subject of canonicity (since they sum it up so well)...
Well, K9 and Company has been legitimised by 'School Reunion', and the 96 movie has by the fact that Eccleston was the 9th, and Tennant is the 10th Doctor.

There is a limit?

Yes, he has 12 regenerations, 13 lives.

He's on number 10 right now.

Yes, he has 12 regenerations, 13 lives.

He's on number 10 right now.
Oh. Then I guess the new Dr Who series won't run for nearly 30 years like the old ones did. Unless they find a way to cheat.

And all humans on earth of course all speak English. So it´s natural for the off world humans to speak English allthough most were taken from Earth before the English language even existed.:p
Psssh every science fiction show does that ... come on, give it a chance.

Psssh every science fiction show does that ... come on, give it a chance.
But unlike other shows Stargate has not given a plausible explanation for that. Other then the: "They all came from Earth." crap. Please. They need Daniel to translate Ancient texts but when the Atlantis mission found Atlantis the Ancient recording was in English.

But unlike other shows Stargate has not given a plausible explanation for that. Other then the: "They all came from Earth." crap. Please. They need Daniel to translate Ancient texts but when the Atlantis mission found Atlantis the Ancient recording was in English.
Obviously the Ancient technology determined that they were biologically similar to the Ancients, and then delivered their message in a language that they could understand. :rolleyes: :p

Obviously the Ancient technology determined that they were biologically similar to the Ancients, and then delivered their message in a language that they could understand. :rolleyes: :p
I don't recall any mission member having that revelation and passing it to the viewer.

Oh. Then I guess the new Dr Who series won't run for nearly 30 years like the old ones did. Unless they find a way to cheat.

I can think of a couple off-hand.

The most logical would be something to do with his absorbing the energy of the space-time vortex from Rose at the end of the 2005 series. That could have some logical basis for extending his regenerative cycle.

I don't recall any mission member having that revelation and passing it to the viewer.
Um, well, er, it's such an obvious conclusion, surely it doesn't need to be voiced in a doubtlessly plot-distracting expository line?

I can think of a couple off-hand.

The most logical would be something to do with his absorbing the energy of the space-time vortex from Rose at the end of the 2005 series. That could have some logical basis for extending his regenerative cycle.
I suppose. What else? You said you can think of a couple.

Um, well, er, it's such an obvious conclusion, surely it doesn't need to be voiced in a doubtlessly plot-distracting expository line?
Yeah sure. And a nerd like Rodney would of course just stay calm if the Ancient machines could do this.

I suppose. What else? You said you can think of a couple.

The second requires more knowledge and explanation of the Time Lords and the old series than they seem to wish to explain at the moment, but it rests on the fact that the regenerative properties were genetically engineered into the Time Lords in the first place and, logically, with an advanced enough technology, there's no reason he couldn't be prolonged through further modification.

The third? Well, in The Five Doctors, the Time Lords offered The Master a new set of regenerations, and we'd previously seen him extending his current life through exposure to the eye of harmony. So, perhaps if a new Eye were to be created...


I'm sure, with a little logical thought, I could conjure up another reason or two.

The Doctor could possibly be granted further regenerations by some collective will, perhaps - if he could somehow tap into the energies of all those whose lives he saved and/or improved over the eons, or if the Universe itself simply... liked him enough, then I think he'd be given at least another dozen lifetimes to continue his good work.

But personally, I think that'd suck. Maybe the Doctor should consider having Doctorlings instead. You know, find the right animal-skin wearing warrior-woman and - multiply.

MacGyver would do it with a paper clip a nd some chewing gum.;)
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From what i have seen of both programs i'd say the Daleks would beat the Goa'uld.

Apopheus was so much cooler than Anubis.

Apophos was tenacious, I'll give him that. And he had almost as many lives as the Doctor hisownself, but he never did have the sheer power that anubis wielded

And, on an only slightly related note. I would not at all be suprised if Apophos were to make a reapearance, that Goa'uld has survived to much to be killed by whatever it was they killed him with last time.

Any way, as to regenerations: I imagine that the Doctor will either have his regens restored in some future series (maybe when he's on the last one) or will pass on his Doctor-ness, either to some protege/survivor of the timelords, or to a 'Doctor jr.'

The third? Well, in The Five Doctors, the Time Lords offered The Master a new set of regenerations,


That's the main way out I see.

The Five Doctors established that a new set of regenerations can be granted by the Time Lords themselves.

While the Time Lords are now supposedly no longer with us (with the single obvious exception), on-screen precedent exists for a Time Lord's lifespan to be extended with the appropriate technology.

Should the current series ever reach the point where this is an issue (and while I agree that it hasn't been mentioned yet, it's a fairly major point for the current series to completely ignore), I'm sure they'll find a way.

And I'm still banking on another Time Lord or two popping up somewhere, somehow.

And I'm still banking on another Time Lord or two popping up somewhere, somehow.
Was it ever established just who of the Time Lords we knew were definitely offed in the Time Wars?

There's...

Romanadvoratrelundar (Romana)
The Rani
Cho-Je
Drax
And of course the Master, off the top of my head. I keep thinking it'd be nice for the Doctor to run into Drax or Cho-Je somewhere.

Stargate. I started to watch Dr. Who, but just couldn't handle the way it looked. That show looks very low budget.

Was it ever established just who of the Time Lords we knew were definitely offed in the Time Wars?

Yes.

All of them.

In Dalek, the 9th Doctor makes it very clear that he believes that every last Time Lord - excluding himself - was killed.

When Rose asks him how he knows, he taps his head (and I paraphrase here rather than quote directly) and states that he'd 'feel them up here' if there were any others left.

Which is why I think the best chances of the BBC conjuring up another Time Lord are

1) Romana turns up out of E-Space (Russell Davies' apparent off-screen unofficial pronouncements notwithstanding)

2) A renegade Time Lord or 2 has somehow cut the mental link to the rest of the group.

3) Someone other than Romana turns up out of some sort of alternate space/dimension/world (take your pick from your favourite cliche)

It's not very hard to think of a scenario whereby the Doctor finds out someone else has survived.

As I stated previously, continuity in Dr. Who is fairly malleable.

Well my knowledge of the Doctor is minimal but the show as far as I know has nothing in comparison to the Ori and their Priors, the Goa'uld are a bad way to represent what Stargate has to offer if you are up to date with the series.

I'll make the case for Cho-Je:

a) he was nice. Not many Time Lords were particularly nice, and though it'd be fun to see an equal if opposite "bad" Time Lord foe for the Doctor, it be just as much fun seeing the Doctor squirm a little in the presence of his former mentor.

b) he was powerful, powerful in his mind and body. As the ailing K'anpo Rimpoche, he was still able to support a substantial projection of his forthcoming regeneration (Cho-Je) and teleport himself with no apparent instrumentality. This suggests to me a (renegade) Time Lord capable of, and possibly even inclined tosevering his mental ties to the other Gallifreyans. He had, after all retired to Tibet for an extended time, further suggesting a desire to set himself apart from his fellow Time Lords.

c) it'd provide greater continuity for the series. Serieses. Thing.

Using EVERYTHING that's available in the continuity of both, I'd say that the Daleks would win because...

1) Goa'uld do NOT have defensive armor and force shielding capable of surviving one's ship being destroyed and reentry on a nearby planet. Oh, and this shield is capable of generating temperatures capable of vaporizing lead on impact, making hand-to-hand combat, well... a bad idea. The Goa'uld would really have to strengthen their staff weapons or concentrate a LOT of fire to have any chance of punching through enough to destroy a Dalek's eye stalk (a definite weakness in the Dalek's design... they're helpless if they can't see).
2) Goa'uld weapons can't break through transduction barriers (which are barriers made of spacetime dragged from some period in the future or past... meaning that they fire into the barrier, and their shots fly off into the future or the past, without ever hitting the target). Unfortunately, this barrier is no problem for the Daleks, who have time phase weaponry (i.e. it shifts through time to avoid the barrier, than shifts back in time to hit the target.)
3) Goa'uld don't have dimensionally transcendental drop ships capable of dropping, say, ten thousand (or a hundred thousand) troops in a vehicle the size of a truck. All the individual troops are, of course, protected as in #1.

Besides, the Daleks would just bombard Goa'uld settlements from orbit, then drop down a handful of Daleks to clean up the mess. If the Goa'uld turned out to be better fighters than they thought, they could just blow up the planet, bombard it to ash, or destroy the atmosphere. Daleks don't need planets with atmospheres, after all... they live in environmentally sealed armor and could always build bases with the proper atmospheres as they need them.

As for motivation... is greed stronger or weaker than pathological hatred of all non-Dalek sentient life?

Anyways, that's enough geeking it up for one night. ^^'

Edit: The transduction barrier was something the Time Lords had, and as the Daleks and Time Lords were duking it out on even terms, I assume that they had the proper stuff (i.e. transduction barriers, time phase weaponry, and full time travel capability) to be able to fight in the first place.

I could never get into Doctor Who. A shame.

As for those of you complaining about the whole Stargate "Everyone speaks ENGLISH!" thing, that was a decision made early in the creation of the series. They decided they didn't want to spend ten minutes of every episode showing them learning the local language, though this strains credibility in many instances. But then, what doesn't in a science fiction show? "HEY LET'S BLOW UP A SUN BY THROWING A STARGATE INTO IT CONNECTED TO A BLACK HOLE!"

The Doctor could possibly be granted further regenerations by some collective will, perhaps - if he could somehow tap into the energies of all those whose lives he saved and/or improved over the eons, or if the Universe itself simply... liked him enough, then I think he'd be given at least another dozen lifetimes to continue his good work.

But personally, I think that'd suck. Maybe the Doctor should consider having Doctorlings instead. You know, find the right animal-skin wearing warrior-woman and - multiply.
I'm sure Billie wouldn't look not half bad in tight animal-skins. Unfortunatly she'll be offed next week. *cries* :( I miss her already.:( But perhaps they can squeeze a little Doctor in somehow.

If they do, there's going to have to be a lot of explaining... after all, they are different species, and everything. They don't even have the same number of hearts! ^^'

If they do, there's going to have to be a lot of explaining... after all, they are different species, and everything. They don't even have the same number of hearts! ^^'
Well, he is a doctor. Isn't he?

Using EVERYTHING that's available in the continuity of both, I'd say that the Daleks would win because...

1) Goa'uld do NOT have defensive armor and force shielding capable of surviving one's ship being destroyed and reentry on a nearby planet. Oh, and this shield is capable of generating temperatures capable of vaporizing lead on impact, making hand-to-hand combat, well... a bad idea. The Goa'uld would really have to strengthen their staff weapons or concentrate a LOT of fire to have any chance of punching through enough to destroy a Dalek's eye stalk (a definite weakness in the Dalek's design... they're helpless if they can't see).
2) Goa'uld weapons can't break through transduction barriers (which are barriers made of spacetime dragged from some period in the future or past... meaning that they fire into the barrier, and their shots fly off into the future or the past, without ever hitting the target). Unfortunately, this barrier is no problem for the Daleks, who have time phase weaponry (i.e. it shifts through time to avoid the barrier, than shifts back in time to hit the target.)
3) Goa'uld don't have dimensionally transcendental drop ships capable of dropping, say, ten thousand (or a hundred thousand) troops in a vehicle the size of a truck. All the individual troops are, of course, protected as in #1.

Besides, the Daleks would just bombard Goa'uld settlements from orbit, then drop down a handful of Daleks to clean up the mess. If the Goa'uld turned out to be better fighters than they thought, they could just blow up the planet, bombard it to ash, or destroy the atmosphere. Daleks don't need planets with atmospheres, after all... they live in environmentally sealed armor and could always build bases with the proper atmospheres as they need them.

As for motivation... is greed stronger or weaker than pathological hatred of all non-Dalek sentient life?

Anyways, that's enough geeking it up for one night. ^^'

Edit: The transduction barrier was something the Time Lords had, and as the Daleks and Time Lords were duking it out on even terms, I assume that they had the proper stuff (i.e. transduction barriers, time phase weaponry, and full time travel capability) to be able to fight in the first place.

Good points, except:
1. No shield that I am aware of in ANY sci fi is capable of withstanding the ship that generates it being destroyed. And Goa'Uld ships are easily capable of entering the atmosphere, the instance specifically where one didn't, the ship was severely damaged and the shileds were no longer functioning properly. also, Goa'uld shielding (espescially the advanced shielding evident in the late Anubis period) Is easily strong enough to ward off Dalek weaponry (the advanced shields have demonstrated effectiveness against phase shifting weapons used by the Tolan) Whereas, the Daleks have never demonstrated that their shielding has any effectiveness against energy weapons such as Goa'uld staff weapons (in the 2005 series, one shot from an energy wepon is enogh to destroy a Dalek)
2. A moot point, neither species employ such shields, and the Daleks phase shifting beams would be useless against the Goa'uld phase resistant shields.

3. Point to your side

Besides: I doubt a Dalek attack against a Goa'uld world would be uncontested by Goa'uld ships (of which there is a prodigious supply). And besides that, the Goauld utilize defensive shields on important planetary bases.

Another point to the Goa'uld would be th use of Naquadah in their technology, which when properly handled, can be used in a nearly indestructable alloy (No record of a Satrgate being destroyed exists, though they have been hit by tac-nukes, naquadah enhanced nukes, meteor strikes and even near proximity to a black hole. One was tossedinto a sun, however it is not noted whether that Stargate was ever definatively destroyed)
or enriched to a highly weapons grade material (Naquadah is used to enhance many explosive devices, including Nuclear weapons and mother-ship killing bombs)
and that doesn't even bring into acout the many exotic Ancient weapons available to the Goa'uld.

Any way, the famous Dalek implacability and numbers do count in their favour, thats why it depends on what point during the Goa'ulds dominance the war takes place, with/after Anubis, the Goa'uld win, before Anubis (or even Early Anubis) the Daleks win.

If the systemlord and his forst prime where killed the Jaffa would be like sheep without their shepard. They need someone giving them instructions and Kree'ing them around. While the Dalek can operate independantly. Since they have a clear mission statement. Exterminate!!! Exterminate!!! EXTERMINAAAAAATEEE!!!
Which is why I believe the Dalek would kick the Goa'uld's scaly butt. Cut off the head of the snake and such.

Dr Who.

last episode next week, rose dies, :( what do ya reckon is going to happen, daleks v crberman, dr & daleks v cyberman, dr & cyberman v daleks or daleks and cyberman v dr.

I suppose this would be a good time to have another time lord appear, to help the Doctor because i cant see him defeating a planet full of Cyberman then polishing of the Daleks and their Genisis Ark

Dr Who.

last episode next week, rose dies, :(
I know!!!!*sobbscries*Hold me!!!!!:(

Dalek's, Dr. Who, Stargate....Who cares! Valla on Stargate is HOTTT!! How about more episodes of her in her skimpies?? :p

I know!!!!*sobbscries*Hold me!!!!!:(

there there *rubs back in comforting manner*

Heehee, Dr Who is getting a spin-off. :D

Schoolboy error: Daleks aren't robots - every Mark III Travel Machine contains a living organic lifeform.

That explains the toilet plunger now, doesn't it?

Heehee, Dr Who is getting a spin-off. :D
Yeah. Torchwood. With Captain Jack.




But without Rooooooseeeee..........:( *starts crying again. In a manly fashion this time. Which includes cold beer to lessen the pain.*

Captain Jack = better in ALL ways than Rose.

Captain Jack = better in ALL ways than Rose.
*strangulates Earth Starfleet with fiberwire*
No. He doesn't turn me on.
*drinks more beer*

Well, you're stupid!

*plays the robot makeover scene*

Well, you're stupid!

*plays the robot makeover scene*
Your stupid!!!
*knees Earth Starfleet in the face*

You're poopy. AND stupid. AND your face is like an elehant's backside, but less appealing.

You're poopy. AND stupid. AND your face is like an elehant's backside, but less appealing.
Your..you...eeehhh....uumm*beats Earth Starfleet in the head with a shovel*
*drinks more beer*

Stargate is best. The end.

Stargate is best. The end.
Pfft! I never got into it, I found it extremely dull. The daleks are winning in the poll anyway, even though I think the third option isn't very good. I bet a lot of Doctor Who fans voted Exterminate! just because that's what all the cool daleks say. :cool:

Captain Jack FTW.

*strangulates Earth Starfleet with fiberwire*
No. He doesn't turn me on.
*drinks more beer*
Cap'n Jack can swash my buckles any dayof the week. Though I wouldn't kick Rose out of bed for being a Bad Wolf, either.

Indeed, Cap'n Jack FTW.

I bet a lot of Doctor Who fans voted Exterminate! just because that's what all the cool daleks say. :cool:

Nah, the _cool_ Daleks say My vision is impaired! My vision is impaired!

Nah, the _cool_ Daleks say My vision is impaired! My vision is impaired!
... and then they explode for no adequately explained reason.

D'you suppose they scream, "My plunger is non-functional! My plunger is non-functional!" when they can't erm... get it up?

Cap'n Jack can swash my buckles any dayof the week. Though I wouldn't kick Rose out of bed for being a Bad Wolf, either.

Indeed, Cap'n Jack FTW.

Hehehe. I'm going to send some scripts in to the producers of Torchwood. :D

'What do you mean it's too filthy for the kiddies?'

Hehehe. I'm going to send some scripts in to the producers of Torchwood. :D

'What do you mean it's too filthy for the kiddies?'

It's high time something in this world be too filthy for children to watch. Major points scored if said filth features Cap'n Jack.

It's high time something in this world be too filthy for children to watch. Major points scored if said filth features Cap'n Jack.

The original script of the episode where he gets a makeover from TRIN-E and Zuh-Zannah involved nudity. That alone makes The Daleks better than the Goa'Uld for some reason.

Hehehe. I'm going to send some scripts in to the producers of Torchwood. :D

'What do you mean it's too filthy for the kiddies?'
I've heard that Torchwood is intended for an older audience. I can't remember where I heard that, so I could be wrong But hopefully not! :D

The original script of the episode where he gets a makeover from TRIN-E and Zuh-Zannah involved nudity. That alone makes The Daleks better than the Goa'Uld for some reason.
Well, the eventual script where he got a makeover featured nudity (and concealment of erm... 'devices') as a prominent plot-point, so... ummm...

so Daleks rule!

The original script of the episode where he gets a makeover from TRIN-E and Zuh-Zannah involved nudity. That alone makes The Daleks better than the Goa'Uld for some reason.
Did you watch the confidential? The actor who played Captain Jack was upset because the BBC wouldn't let his arse be shown. So was I...:(

Did you watch the confidential? The actor who played Captain Jack was upset because the BBC wouldn't let his arse be shown. So was I...:(
Hmm, I did not know there was a such a shot to be edited out. Too bad.

Hmm, I did not know there was a such a shot to be edited out. Too bad.
Yeah, hopefully we'll see more of Captain Jack in Torchwood. He is such a cool character, and hot.

EDIT: That doesn't make sence, being both cool and hot. Oh well, you know what I mean.

I refuse to accept the existence of “Dr. Who.” It must be a practical joke, otherwise the British are far too stupid a people to have started the Industrial Revolution.

I guess Stargate gets my vote, but only because it has remained, since it’s conception, unpopular, and thus easier to accept as part of the universe.

Yeah, hopefully we'll see more of Captain Jack in Torchwood. He is such a cool character, and hot.

EDIT: That doesn't make sence, being both cool and hot. Oh well, you know what I mean.
Men as good-looking as Jack can make thermometers explode with confusion.

Yes, I know exactly what you mean.

I refuse to accept the existence of “Dr. Who.” It must be a practical joke, otherwise the British are far too stupid a people to have started the Industrial Revolution.

I guess Stargate gets my vote, but only because it has remained, since it’s conception, unpopular, and thus easier to accept as part of the universe.
Are you on drugs?















Can I have some?

The Daleks could beat the Gu'a'uld anyday. As for my opinion of the shows, Stargate wins for plot and adventure, but Dr. Who wins for humor.

"Go to your room! Go to your room!" [gas-masked clones leave] "Thank G-d that worked. Those would have been terrible last words."

Are you on drugs?
It would take Drugs to get me to watch Stargate, much less pretend to be in a world where a show like Dr. Who has managed to run for like twenty years in any country.

The Daleks could beat the Gu'a'uld anyday. As for my opinion of the shows, Stargate wins for plot and adventure, but Dr. Who wins for humor.

"Go to your room! Go to your room!" [gas-masked clones leave] Thank G-d that worked. Those would have been terrible last words."
Okay I've watched very few Stargates (which I found boring) so I can't really comment on the plots and stuff. But Doctor Who has excellent plot and adventure, especially the new ones. I mean...he met the devil, and defeated him. How cool is that?Spoiler.

It would take Drugs to get me to watch Stargate, much less pretend to be in a world where a show like Dr. Who has managed to run for like twenty years in any country.
Nah, Stargate drives one to drugs - but then it just seems to take longer for the badness that is Stargate to end (and the commercials get twice as irritating, too).

Nah, Stargate drives one to drugs - but then it just seems to take longer for the badness that is Stargate to end (and the commercials get twice as irritating, too).
You've got to love the BBC for that. They'll show three hour films without any adverts. It sure beats having to watch them every fifteen minutes or so.

Captain Jack FTW.
*jumps up and down on Earth Starfleets head wearing army boots*
RoseRoseRose wooo!!! RoseRoseRose Yeah!!!!
*has more beer*

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Thats one handsome devil!!!

True. I am ashamed. I got to commit Seppuku now. :(

Incidentally, I'm the Big A now?

DAMN YOU!


You reminded me of...

THE GAME!

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DAMN YOU!


You reminded me of...

THE GAME!

Damm you! Why does everyone keep making me lose the game??

I haven't read all twelve pages of this thread, because I have a life, so I don't know if it's already been said, but I would like to point out that while Stargate SG-1 is VERY good, I believe they did something terribly wrong when they ventured off into Stargate Atlantis, it just isn't the same as SG-1.

I haven't read all twelve pages of this thread, because I have a life, so I don't know if it's already been said, but I would like to point out that while Stargate SG-1 is VERY good, I believe they did something terribly wrong when they ventured off into Stargate Atlantis, it just isn't the same as SG-1.
That's okay, no-one else'll read twelve pages of it, either. Personally, I believe they did something terribly wrong when they made Stargate in the first place.

I did. I just read all twelve pages.

Wow I'm a nerd. Anyway...

And of course Axos, the Zygons, Meglos, the Krynoids, the Ogrons, the Movellans, the Megara, the Ogri, Sutekh, the Foamasi, the Haemovores, the Tetraps, and the Wirrn.

You all missed the Rutans.

DOCTOR: And Omega. You can't forget Omega.
BRIGADIER: I wish I could.

last episode next week, rose dies

This will make her the... what? Fourth companion to die? Polly, Adric, and Peri have died previously, right?

It's a shame, really. Matthew Waterhouse is very funny on the DVD commentary for Earthshock - I'd love to see Adric come back. Adric was always my favourite companion.

Daleks would win, obviously.
Lets do some comparisons:

Interplanetary travel: Goa'uld - Check. Daleks - Check.
Projected energy weapons: Goa'uld - Check. Daleks - Check.
Minions: Goa'uld - Check (Jaffa). Daleks - Check (Ogrons, Robomen).
Slaves: Goa'uld - Check (humans). Daleks - Check (humans and any other race they come across and don't exterminate).
Energy shielding: Goa'uld - Check. Daleks - Check *spoiler*watch this weeks episode with them vs the Cybermen.
Glowing eyes: Goa'uld - Check. Daleks - Check.
Ability to reproduce: Goa'uld - Check... just about. They require a queen and are slowly dying out due to lack of aforementioned queens. Daleks - Check (utilising vast production plants).
Personnal armour: Goa'uld - Nope (they wear skimpy clothes). Daleks - Check (each Dalek casing is made from a bonded polycarbide substance known as Dalekanium).
Time travel: Goa'uld - Nope. Daleks - Check.
Dimensionally transcendental technology: Goa'uld - Nope. Daleks - Check.
Ability to repair cellular damage without assistance: Goa'uld - Nope (require outside assistance via a sarcophagus). Daleks - Check (as part of the Dalek machine).
Ability to think illogically: Goa'uld - Check. Daleks - Nope (hence why they tried to get Davros's help during the Movellan war and current use of battle computers linked directly to humans, preferably children due to creativity inherent in the young).


Dalek firepower would make mincemeat of the Goa'uld and sheer numbers would make them nigh on invincible, not to mention their technological advantages.

*end of geek phase*

This will make her the... what? Fourth companion to die? Polly, Adric, and Peri have died previously, right?

It's a shame, really. Matthew Waterhouse is very funny on the DVD commentary for Earthshock - I'd love to see Adric come back. Adric was always my favourite companion.
Peri didn't really die though, she ended up marrying King Yrcanos.

Peri didn't really die though, she ended up marrying King Yrcanos.

I can't bear Colin Baker, so I've only managed to watch those episodes once (and quite long ago).

So that makes Rose just the third.

I can't bear Colin Baker, so I've only managed to watch those episodes once (and quite long ago).

So that makes Rose just the third.
Yep, she's the third. I'm one of the minority who can't wait, kill her already!

Colin Baker's not so bad, he just had some awful scripts. Watch Revelation of the Daleks, it's a good ep.

Daleks would win, obviously.
Lets do some comparisons:

Interplanetary travel: Goa'uld - Check. Daleks - Check.
Projected energy weapons: Goa'uld - Check. Daleks - Check.
Minions: Goa'uld - Check (Jaffa). Daleks - Check (Ogrons, Robomen).
Slaves: Goa'uld - Check (humans). Daleks - Check (humans and any other race they come across and don't exterminate).
Energy shielding: Goa'uld - Check. Daleks - Check *spoiler*watch this weeks episode with them vs the Cybermen.
Glowing eyes: Goa'uld - Check. Daleks - Check.
Ability to reproduce: Goa'uld - Check... just about. They require a queen and are slowly dying out due to lack of aforementioned queens. Daleks - Check (utilising vast production plants).
Personnal armour: Goa'uld - Nope (they wear skimpy clothes). Daleks - Check (each Dalek casing is made from a bonded polycarbide substance known as Dalekanium).
Time travel: Goa'uld - Nope. Daleks - Check.
Dimensionally transcendental technology: Goa'uld - Nope. Daleks - Check.
Ability to repair cellular damage without assistance: Goa'uld - Nope (require outside assistance via a sarcophagus). Daleks - Check (as part of the Dalek machine).
Ability to think illogically: Goa'uld - Check. Daleks - Nope (hence why they tried to get Davros's help during the Movellan war and current use of battle computers linked directly to humans, preferably children due to creativity inherent in the young).


Dalek firepower would make mincemeat of the Goa'uld and sheer numbers would make them nigh on invincible, not to mention their technological advantages.

*end of geek phase*

I've admittedly never seen Dr. Who, but on the issue of time travel. If you have ever seen the episode of Stargate entitled "1964" it illustrates that while time travel is not a perverbial switch that they can just flick, if you can time gate travel within a minute or so of a bypassing solar flare the effect would be time travel.

This will make her the... what? Fourth companion to die? Polly, Adric, and Peri have died previously, right?

Polly?

Dead companions as I reckon it: Katarina and Adric (Sara Kingdom too, if you count her as a companion).

Depending on how much they fluff the whole 'last of the Time Lords' malarky in the future, we can also add Susan, Romana and most probably Leela to the list as well - chalked up as fatalities in the Time War - however, given the remarkable ability of the Daleks to return from being wiped out again and again, I strongly suspect that we will see other Gallifreyans again in the future of the series if it runs long enough.

*jumps up and down on Earth Starfleets head wearing army boots*
RoseRoseRose wooo!!! RoseRoseRose Yeah!!!!
*has more beer*

You should know by now my head cannot be caved in by mere mortals.

Ooops. I'm not Earth Starfleet, I swear!

Old one or new one?
New one. I was hooked on the old one as a nine-year-old, and that's about the level of that original show's writing. The new one is very well written.


Good, except for the blatant (blatant!) Klingon rip off.
You'll have to explain what about Farscape ripped off the Klingons. And even if it's remotely true, I'll forgive a lot for such outstanding writing and original story arcs.

Very good, but didn't go on nearly long enough.
Sad, but true; brilliant, but canceled. The movie was even better.

That's okay, no-one else'll read twelve pages of it, either. Personally, I believe they did something terribly wrong when they made Stargate in the first place.

I read it... hang on, this is a forum that springs from a vivrtual politics game, OF COURSE we're all gonna be nerdy enough to read the lot.

I've admittedly never seen Dr. Who, but on the issue of time travel. If you have ever seen the episode of Stargate entitled "1964" it illustrates that while time travel is not a perverbial switch that they can just flick, if you can time gate travel within a minute or so of a bypassing solar flare the effect would be time travel.
I have seen it, but time gate travel is an anomaly in the system and was only found by mistake. Time travel ala Doctor Who is done by traversing "The Vortex" and Dalek ships are specifically designed to do it (i.e. the Chase or more recently Rememberence of the Daleks).

:sniper: stargate is way better......doctor who is just plain dumb over all...staargate at least has the better grafics guns and equipment and such..and a wider variety of enemysso i say this to doctor whoi :upyours:

I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that you're joking.

But just in case...

Better graphics? Well, if you look at the old Dr. Who, sure.

Guns and equipment and stuff? Shrug. Sonic screwdriver, anybody?

Wider variety of enemies? That would be quite a feat. Let's review, shall we? Daleks, Cybermen, Autons, aw, too lazy to list 'em all. Take a gander (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Doctor_Who_villains).

As opposed to... what, four major enemies between both Stargates? Go'auld, Ori, Wraith, and those people with the name that sounds sort of like Jedi, but isn't.

I'd say that Captain Jack has a little Macgyver blood in him, considering that gun he made in the season finale. I think it included his watch, the chainsaw thing, and his original laser gun...

Captain Jack could beat O'Neill's ass any day. Stupid SG-1 fanatic Daganoth.

Polly?

Dead companions as I reckon it: Katarina and Adric (Sara Kingdom too, if you count her as a companion).

Oops. Katarina. Right.

It's hard to keep track of those first doctor companions - they tended not to last long.

Dr. Who wins, without question. Best sci-fi TV series ever.

I'm not really in to sci-fi but i've gotta say that doctor who is way more entertaining, it's more amusing and the graphics are, in fact, convincing! (P.S. I'm not implying that stargate graphics are not convincing, they are)

I'm not really in to sci-fi but i've gotta say that doctor who is way more entertaining, it's more amusing and the graphics are, in fact, convincing! (P.S. I'm not implying that stargate graphics are not convincing, they are)
...and they're head-and-shoulders above the old Doctor Who series, so it's a win-win proposition (except for the poor Stargate, which lacks, among other things, enemies comparable to - or even worse than - the Daleks).

The new Dr Who CG is better. Gas mask zombie morphing!

...and they're head-and-shoulders above the old Doctor Who series, so it's a win-win proposition (except for the poor Stargate, which lacks, among other things, enemies comparable to - or even worse than - the Daleks).

The Idiot's Lantern, New Earth and Boomtown are better than The War Games, The Pyramids Of Mars and The Dalek Invasion Of Earth?

Just in case anyone's interested, new Who companion: http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/news/cult/news/drwho/2006/07/05/33449.shtml

The new Dr Who CG is better. Gas mask zombie morphing!

"Are you my mommy? Mooooommy...mooooommy..."

That was freakin' creepy! :cool:

The Idiot's Lantern, New Earth and Boomtown are better than The War Games, The Pyramids Of Mars and The Dalek Invasion Of Earth?
...I was talking about the graphics, BWO. The graphics.

...I was talking about the graphics, BWO. The graphics.

Don't judge a show on its SFX. That's for the small-minded. Judge it on the stories.

The Idiot's Lantern, New Earth and Boomtown are better than The War Games, The Pyramids Of Mars and The Dalek Invasion Of Earth?

There are few things in the world better than The Pyramids of Mars.

There are few things in the world better than The Pyramids of Mars.

That was the first Dr. Who episode I ever saw. Hooked immediately.

Don't judge a show on its SFX. That's for the small-minded. Judge it on the stories.
Grrr.

I wasn't saying the new series is better than the old, either way. I was saying (evidently not comprehensively enough) that it is good that the new series features visual effects that are a significant improvement over the visual effects the old series was noted for.

But let's not lose sight of the fact that the old series wasn't exactly Shakespearean in it's story-telling. I've lost track of the number of hours I've spent listening to Sarah Jane Smith wailing, "Doctooooor!" in one foggy quarry or another.

Yes, there are many, many wonderful stories, bits of dialogue, and some truly inspired makeup, sets, props and - yes, even special effects from the old Doctor Who series. And the new series has more of the same, though - just like the preceding series - it's a bit hit-and-miss at times, some stories work better than others, some effects leave a little to be desired (not nearly as many as before, but sometimes, well...), and not every single exchange is a memorable one, but - damn it, it's a TV show after all. Not Stratford.

It's still easily far better than Stargate, though.

That was the first Dr. Who episode I ever saw. Hooked immediately.
For me, it was The Talons of Weng-Chiang. I couldn't receive it where I grew up, and was fortunate enough to finally see Doctor Who while on vacation in a neighbouring province.

"Are you my mommy? Mooooommy...mooooommy..."

That was freakin' creepy! :cool:
Go to your room.:D
It has the power of a god and I´ve send it to it´s room.:D

Captain Jack could beat O'Neill's ass any day. Stupid SG-1 fanatic Daganoth.
I think Captain Jack would rather do other things to O´Neills ass.:D

You should know by now my head cannot be caved in by mere mortals.

Ooops. I'm not Earth Starfleet, I swear!
So you´ve regenerated huh? *Ties System Lord Re to a chair and starts watertorturing*
Oh. And I just thought of something. Rosie just might not die/die
afterall. The Dalek brought along a Genesis ark. So she might just decide to stay with her mum. And pop in every now and then.
*prays he's right*
Right then. Where were we? Oh yes. *starts cutting through SLR's feet with a blunt knife*

"Are you my mommy? Mooooommy...mooooommy..."

That was freakin' creepy! :cool:
I am your mummy.

For me, it was The Talons of Weng-Chiang. I couldn't receive it where I grew up, and was fortunate enough to finally see Doctor Who while on vacation in a neighbouring province.

My first was Inferno. I love the John Pertwee episodes.

those people with the name that sounds sort of like Jedi, but isn't.

Replicators?

Replicators?

Forgot the Replicators. Good point. But no, those people on SGA. Genai? Jenai? Geni? Something like that.

How do you figure replicators sounds like Jedi?

My first was Inferno. I love the John Pertwee episodes.
That's a great story, just bought it on DVD. It includes the edited scene from the UK edition, but that was included in those versions sold abroad.

Forgot the Replicators. Good point. But no, those people on SGA. Genai? Jenai? Geni? Something like that.

How do you figure replicators sounds like Jedi?

I didn't, they just kinda popped into my head.

Though I know who you are talking about, the drani or something or another.

Forgot the Replicators. Good point. But no, those people on SGA. Genai? Jenai? Geni? Something like that.

How do you figure replicators sounds like Jedi?
Genii.

I love those DVD releases. The commentary is often incredibly funny. The full cast on Earthshock. Tom Baker and Mary Tamm on The Ribos Operation. Comedy gold.

TOM: So, who played you after you, then?
MARY: Lalla! You remember Lalla, don't you?
TOM: Oh, yes, right. We were married you know.
MARY: Yes.
TOM: We were deliriously happy for... weeks.

I love those DVD releases. The commentary is often incredibly funny. The full cast on Earthshock. Tom Baker and Mary Tamm on The Ribos Operation. Comedy gold.

TOM: So, who played you after you, then?
MARY: Lalla! You remember Lalla, don't you?
TOM: Oh, yes, right. We were married you know.
MARY: Yes.
TOM: We were deliriously happy for... weeks.
The commentary is always fun to listen to, though Elisabeth Sladen did let out that there was going to be more than one colour of Dalek in the new series (season 2, or 28 as I prefer:D ) than the single one in season 1 in the Genesis Commentary.

So you´ve regenerated huh? *Ties System Lord Re to a chair and starts watertorturing*
Oh. And I just thought of something. Rosie just might not die/die
afterall. The Dalek brought along a Genesis ark. So she might just decide to stay with her mum. And pop in every now and then.
*prays he's right*
Right then. Where were we? Oh yes. *starts cutting through SLR's feet with a blunt knife*

*regenerates*

I am the man of a thousand faces!

It would take Drugs to get me to watch Stargate, much less pretend to be in a world where a show like Dr. Who has managed to run for like twenty years in any country.

Why has Doctor Who run for 20 years? The answer is simple: Doctor Who is a show that has always managed (and still manages) to extend its appeal beyond the traditional target audience of sci-fi shows. It is a family programme, which means it has to appeal to all generations: young, middle aged and old. This means that it has become an institution more than a programme, something adored by many different generations for different reasons. I personally love Doctor Who not only for the aliens but also for the razor sharp satire and for the moral dilemmas it attempts to raise.

This is something very few sci-fi shows can lay claim to. Stargate is a show produced for a very specific target audience and as such cannot appeal to such a wide and varied audience as Doctor Who. As such, it will never endure in the hearts and minds of most people. Put a Dalek in a British shopping centre and almost all people will know it. Put a Gou'ald (or whatever) in a shopping centre and people won't have a clue.

Put a Gou'ald (or whatever) in a shopping centre and people won't have a clue.
Though everybody'd be having a good chuckle (behind their backs, natch) at the weirdos glaring at the passers-by. Until Mall security clears the geeks out, anyway.

Why has Doctor Who run for 20 years? The answer is simple: Doctor Who is a show that has always managed (and still manages) to extend its appeal beyond the traditional target audience of sci-fi shows. It is a family programme, which means it has to appeal to all generations: young, middle aged and old. This means that it has become an institution more than a programme, something adored by many different generations for different reasons. I personally love Doctor Who not only for the aliens but also for the razor sharp satire and for the moral dilemmas it attempts to raise.

This is something very few sci-fi shows can lay claim to. Stargate is a show produced for a very specific target audience and as such cannot appeal to such a wide and varied audience as Doctor Who. As such, it will never endure in the hearts and minds of most people. Put a Dalek in a British shopping centre and almost all people will know it. Put a Gou'ald (or whatever) in a shopping centre and people won't have a clue.
43 years. :eek: :D
The point, however, is well made and true. Everybody knows what a Dalek is, even if they don't know that what they see is a Dalek. Show them a picture and they just know... (does that even make sense?)
The Goa'uld will only be half as good when they make it into the OED.