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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060620/ts_nm/korea_missile_dc_7

Looks like we might get a real test of our missile defense system. Seems the world has no idea what is in the North Korean missile or where it is aimed. So, if they launch it the US will shoot it down.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060620/ts_nm/korea_missile_dc_7

Looks like we might get a real test of our missile defense system. Seems the world has no idea what is in the North Korean missile or where it is aimed. So, if they launch it the US will shoot it down.

not even almost what the article said

So, if they launch it the US will shoot it down.
No, they will try, fail, and complain the decoy balloon's albedo was not as stated in the contract spec.

Just protecting their nation. But the missile from N.Korea is very unlikely to be aimed at the USA. They probably are just firing over international airspace and water. If the misile does hit the US whos to say it wasn't a mistake? But if it isn't then its gonna be another war.

I assumed that missile shield had been quietly dropped, seeing as nothing has been said about it in ages.

But they'll miss. Or follow the Patriot Missle model and shoot down friendly aircraft.

No, they will try, fail, and complain the decoy balloon's albedo was not as stated in the contract spec.
Come again?

Yay we finally get to play with our star wars toys! Too bad Reagan isn't around to see it....

Just protecting their nation. But the missile from N.Korea is very unlikely to be aimed at the USA. They probably are just firing over international airspace and water. If the misile does hit the US whos to say it wasn't a mistake? But if it isn't then its gonna be another war.

When a country tests a missile over international airspace and water they put out a notice to aircraft and ships top stay the hell out of the way. That means they tell everyone of the intended path and location where it is expected to come down. North Korea has not done that. No one knows where it is going or what it contains.

I assumed that missile shield had been quietly dropped, seeing as nothing has been said about it in ages.

But they'll miss. Or follow the Patriot Missle model and shoot down friendly aircraft.

It never ceases to amaze me how quickly a thread can turn into an anti-American thread. :(

It never ceases to amaze me how quickly a thread can turn into an anti-American thread. :(
:eek: The anti-Americanism being where, exactly?

Who cares if america blows up, there a bunch of fundementalist hillbilly USians anyway, it's allright to hate them remember. /srcsm

Come again?
Well, put it this way, missile defence hasn't exactly had a great run of tests.

When a country tests a missile over international airspace and water they put out a notice to aircraft and ships top stay the hell out of the way. That means they tell everyone of the intended path and location where it is expected to come down. North Korea has not done that. No one knows where it is going or what it contains.
Well that's what they want isn't it? Aim it for open water without warning so the US can't be certain it isn't aimed at them so they try to shoot it down. If they don't try to intercept it then NK gets one over on the US. If the US try but fail and the missile lands in open water anyway, then NK has really shown up the US. If the US does shoot it down then they claim it was aimed at open water anyway, and gamble that's enough for the overstretched US to not want to get further involved.

Who cares if america blows up, there a bunch of fundementalist hillbilly USians anyway, it's allright to hate them remember. /srcsm


You Welsh are funny!

/srcsm

Well, put it this way, missile defence hasn't exactly had a great run of tests.
Of that I was cursorily aware, but I hadn't known they'd taken to doling out blame for their program's shortcomings.

:eek: The anti-Americanism being where, exactly?

Here!

But they'll miss. Or follow the Patriot Missle model and shoot down friendly aircraft.

And now here.

Who cares if america blows up, there a bunch of fundementalist hillbilly USians anyway, it's allright to hate them remember. /srcsm

Here!
Well, I won't answer for the other poster, but if you take accurate observations of policy to be Anti-American then you're far too sensitive to criticism.

Of that I was cursorily aware, but I hadn't known they'd taken to doling out blame for their program's shortcomings.
To be fair, not so far. We are still at the point where it's great money. But there comes a point when even a cost-reimbursible contract starts draining human resources from newer, more lucrative projects, and that's when industry recriminations begin. Specification was too vague, scope of work changed too many times, test conditions unfair, psst, our rivals spent consultants' fees on prostitutes, etc, all the usual armchair and popcorn material.

I was being sarcastic in my post

I was being sarcastic in my post

His eyes probably can't see the small text. ;)

Well that's what they want isn't it? Aim it for open water without warning so the US can't be certain it isn't aimed at them so they try to shoot it down. If they don't try to intercept it then NK gets one over on the US. If the US try but fail and the missile lands in open water anyway, then NK has really shown up the US. If the US does shoot it down then they claim it was aimed at open water anyway, and gamble that's enough for the overstretched US to not want to get further involved.

does anyone belive this missile will be armed and aimed at alaska? seriously?

its a legitimate military test and i read today it might be a satelite launch after all this guff

Well that's what they want isn't it? Aim it for open water without warning so the US can't be certain it isn't aimed at them so they try to shoot it down. If they don't try to intercept it then NK gets one over on the US. If the US try but fail and the missile lands in open water anyway, then NK has really shown up the US. If the US does shoot it down then they claim it was aimed at open water anyway, and gamble that's enough for the overstretched US to not want to get further involved.If I was the Korean prez.. I would leak foggy "intelligence" to BBC/CNN every 3 months.. anouncing some Missile test project..

and watch the Bushites go bananas every time.. + popcorn :D :D :p :D

If I was the Korean prez.. I would leak foggy "intelligence" to BBC/CNN every 3 months.. anouncing some Missile test project..

Just put up some big wind turbines in the ocean. Each one throws off a radar signature equal to a 747, so you could create the illusion of a fleet of bombers in flight...

Yay we finally get to play with our star wars toys! Too bad Reagan isn't around to see it....
Reagan's spirit is alive in the system of government he helped corrupt.

Just put up some big wind turbines in the ocean. Each one throws off a radar signature equal to a 747, so you could create the illusion of a fleet of bombers in flight...

:confused: Wind turbines are well below radar. The only things that fly that low are bombers and birds so radar can't pick them up. :confused:

If you want my opinion, I think North Korea is just trying to flex its muscles. Acting all "bad boy" and whatnot.

Kim Jong-Ill: Look at me! I have nukes! Nyah nyah!

:confused: Wind turbines are well below radar. The only things that fly that low are bombers and birds so radar can't pick them up. :confused:

I was actually refering to an argument, used by Ted Kennedy, Ted Stevens and other idiotic activists against wind power...they actually argued that wind turbines would cause that exact problem. I just read it a little while ago and decided to throw it in.

I was hoping someone would pick up on it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060620/ts_nm/korea_missile_dc_7

Looks like we might get a real test of our missile defense system. Seems the world has no idea what is in the North Korean missile or where it is aimed. So, if they launch it the US will shoot it down.

i doubt the missile defence system will work,it may have a shot at an individual missile,and targeted by multible missiles fired in a counter type ripple fire thing,but that does not exactly give me much confidence in the system.

they would be better off parking a few aegis ships off the eastern coast,and as soon as it fires(nk missile)launch a barrage of counter missiles(a hell of alot cheaper also)then trying to intercept from alaska with a pretty much untested(except the usual b.s. tests)missile shield.
i bet the missile shield missiles are a boatload more money then aegis missiles.

i worked on the aegis ships for 10 years at the missile surface radar plant,and that system really works!

they could also ripple fire counter battery shots to destroy the launch site after the launch.
nasty,but knocking off some of the engineers would probably dissuade future adventures,let alone the infrastucture it would destroy.

nothing massive like airstrikes,just a "if you launch a missile in our direction or japans,we will shoot it down if possible,and counter battery on the launch site"
might stop the whole stupid thing,before it started,just do it quitetly,as to not make the n/k's lose face.

just random observations..nothing serious.

I was actually refering to an argument, used by Ted Kennedy, Ted Stevens and other idiotic activists against wind power...they actually argued that wind turbines would cause that exact problem. I just read it a little while ago and decided to throw it in.

I was hoping someone would pick up on it.

Let's chip in and buy the Teds another bottle. :D

Let's chip in and buy the Teds another bottle. :D

Just make sure you're not in the car with them.:eek:

If you want my opinion, I think North Korea is just trying to flex its muscles. Acting all "bad boy" and whatnot.

Kim Jong-Ill: Look at me! I have nukes! Nyah nyah!


Yeah... but they just couldn't wait the 2 years till the wannabe bad boy Bush is out of presidency. Because we all know he isn't going to let any other county take the show when it comes to trying to start crap with other nations...

P.S. not being anti-american... just anti-Bush. I'm allowed that, over half of the U.S. citizens dislike him now days.

Just make sure you're not in the car with them.:eek:

hell,i dont want to be in the same state as him..lol,and i dont mean state of inebriation(i can do that myself without him)
i would be afraid to live within 50 miles of that sot,let alone get to go car swimming with him.

pompous ass, drunk girl killer...yeck

sorry for the rant...oops,can you tell i hate the tub of sh#$

assuming you were talking sarcastically about ted kennedy.

assuming you were talking sarcastically about ted kennedy.

I was.

Ted Stevens isn't much better; he has no problem with spending $200 million on a bridge to nowhere just to get reelected and has no problem intervening in Massachussetts despite living on the other side of the continent.

i doubt the missile defence system will work,it may have a shot at an individual missile,and targeted by multible missiles fired in a counter type ripple fire thing,but that does not exactly give me much confidence in the system.

they would be better off parking a few aegis ships off the eastern coast,and as soon as it fires(nk missile)launch a barrage of counter missiles(a hell of alot cheaper also)then trying to intercept from alaska with a pretty much untested(except the usual b.s. tests)missile shield.
i bet the missile shield missiles are a boatload more money then aegis missiles.

i worked on the aegis ships for 10 years at the missile surface radar plant,and that system really works!

they could also ripple fire counter battery shots to destroy the launch site after the launch.
nasty,but knocking off some of the engineers would probably dissuade future adventures,let alone the infrastucture it would destroy.

nothing massive like airstrikes,just a "if you launch a missile in our direction or japans,we will shoot it down if possible,and counter battery on the launch site"
might stop the whole stupid thing,before it started,just do it quitetly,as to not make the n/k's lose face.

just random observations..nothing serious.

Everything I've read indicates that the SM-3 has been far more successful than land based ABM systems so far. If the ABL ever gets fielded, a workable missle defense is quite feasible.

Everything I've read indicates that the SM-3 has been far more sucesful than land bases ABM systems so far. If the ABL ever gets fielded, a workable missle defense is quite feasible.

valid point.

i know for a fact the contractors/military fudged/skewed tests in favor of programs they wanted to sell,or the mil wanted to buy.
aegis was one,as was the apache,bradley,abrams,and to some extent..patriot.
point is,they play around with test results to keep the program alive(great for the contractor..)to get continued funding,knowing that it does not work as advertised,yet in theory..will
the continued funding then helps refine the project to the point were it will pass tests that are accurate representations of real world performance...thus the term,cost overrun..lol

shady biz to be sure,and pork barrel also,but most people will cut funding outright if it fails preliminary testing and move on to their pet pork barel project.
the military knows what it wants and what it needs,and i guess that is how they circumvent the politicians.
dishonest..sure,but the whole process is also.

and these systems mentioned earlier,have turned out to work splendidly,albeit..for a shitload more money then thought.

same i suppose will occur with the mds,just not now,but if the mil wants it,then they know their needs,and how to get around the funding issues...right now,our existing platforms will do the job against n/k

dont be suprised if the mds shoots at the nk missile,misses,aegis shoots it down,and they claim mds did it..go along way to secure funding..lol

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And now here.
Dude, if you're calling an accurate description of the expected capability of the missile defense system anti-american, then you've got a fucked up sense of what's anti-American.

I assumed that missile shield had been quietly dropped, seeing as nothing has been said about it in ages.

But they'll miss. Or follow the Patriot Missle model and shoot down friendly aircraft.
That was a decade and a half ago buddy, guidance and targeting systems have improved by orders of magnitude since the Patriots did a mediocre job at shooting down Iraqi Scuds.

Dude, if you're calling an accurate description of the expected capability of the missile defense system anti-american, then you've got a fucked up sense of what's anti-American.
That's the thing, the ABM systems, both the SM-3s on the Missile Cruisers, plus the GMD stuff in Alaska and California stand a rather good chance of knocking down the missile. The AEGIS cruisers can shoot down the missile in the boost phase, before it can deploy.

Furthermore, the concept of downing a ballistic missile with a SAM fired from a naval ship isn't new. There were successful tests done with the Terrier and Tartar missiles during the sixties. The technology was never exploited because of the cost at the time, and the desire of the US to focus on conventional naval weaponry for use in that bottomless pit called Vietnam.