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alright...we all have those movies...you know the ones. Maybe for you, its the ones where you watch them, and at the end, you just sit there and think. Maybe they're the ones that make you cry more than once. Or maybe they're the ones that make you question something about yourself. No matter what, these are the movies that somehow change you, make you look at something different.

What movies do this for you? What about the movie does that?


I'll start us off with a few.
Latter Days. I literally just watched it, so I'm not quite sure what impact it will ultimatly have. However, I never cry, or even really tear up in movies, and this one managed to make me choke up a bit twice.

American Beauty. This movie just kinda made me appreciate everything a bit more in a very weird way. Look at the rain as something to dance in, not to hide indoors from.

From Dusk til Dawn. Ive never seen a movie take such a hard right turn in the middle. It was just weird I tell you weird.

Momento. I mean, really, what in the royal, triple barreled, White Light special, double D, chrome handled, supreme fuck happened? :confused:

The passion of the christ makes me cry everytime I see it. Poor filmmaking at its finest ;)

American Beauty, oh yeah *notes TG*

Jacob's Ladder

Naked Lunch

Donnie Darko

Catch-22

What Dreams May Come

actually, you know i have quite a few ... it often takes me a while to remember.
So when's the next thread up?

What Dreams May Come



That movie makes me think, a lot.

grave of the fireflys

That movie makes me think, a lot.
Me too.

"Abbot and Costello meet the Invisible Man." Creepy.

Also, "Andy Hardy meets Debutante." Raises so many questions on Justice and the nature of Being.

Mine would be 'Night Mother, with Sissy Spacek and Anne Bancroft. The entire movie consists of Spacek whining and bitching about how miserable her life is and that she's thinking of killing herself, while Bancroft tells her reassuringly that she's not going to do that because she has so much to live for. They go back and forth about it for over an hour and a half in an absolutely nauseating display of hand-wringing and feminine emoting and assorted melodrama before Spacek finally does it.

A thoroughly pointless exercise, made even more frustrating by being very well acted. God, I felt like blowing my brains out after I had watched it myself.

American Beauty, oh yeah *notes TG*

Jacob's Ladder

Naked Lunch

Donnie Darko

Catch-22

What Dreams May Come

actually, you know i have quite a few ... it often takes me a while to remember.
So when's the next thread up?
haha...yeah, there are tons more I could mention...I think I've given you a fairly complete list.

as for next thread...I have two prospective jobs, so lets say this weekend?

Don't laugh at but this (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0150662/) one really got to me the other night. I was flippin' stations and happenned upon it and just couldn't change the channel. Watched most of it twice that night (it was on again). I dunno, it's just a really damn good movie. For a bit there it nearly had me in tears (me, a big tough, manly man), but by the end I couldn't be happier. Go see it.

EDIT: Can't really live with myself if I don't say more. It's called Fucking Åmål (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0150662/) (Show Me Love, in Canada). I just can't stop thinking about it for some reason. Not like other movies where it's a cool scene or something, it's the whole thing. It's the story I guess, or the plot really. It's something that I want to be able to relate to in way. Not that coming to terms with homosexuality bit, but the finding yourself part of it, the finding love and the confidence to express it.

Anything made my Uwe Toilet Boll, especially if it's a travesty of a decent to awesome game. It just raises questions like, "How the fuck do these companies allow this wienerschnitzel hack to get his grubby hands on the licenses and explode in a diarrhea burst all over them?"

as for next thread...I have two prospective jobs, so lets say this weekend?
Righto. :)
Spam Local 144.92.7734 will get the update, i'm sure.

Alright, this is not a movie, but just yesterday I saw a play that was unsettling:

It was a social commentary, portrayed through dance, about the injustices brought on by supposed needs of national security. The plot is that a scholar of Middle Eastern descent is stopped during a layover in New York and detained on nebulous charges of being connected to terrorist groups. Meanwhile his partner feels anxious and distressed, unable to help her love. A year passes in which the doctor is sent to the country of his birth where he is tortured. He finally returns home, mobbed by reporters at Pearson International Airport, and finally is reuinted with his partner. The show ends with him waking in the night, still haunted by nightmares of his ordeal, and the emotional anguish of his partner.

As far as films go, the names of ones that leave me cold currently escape me. There was one about the Japanese Internment during WWII. It was good. Ah, but titles escape me. It is late in my timezone and I am sleepy. I did not like What Dreams May Come, though. Too looooong. K-Pax was good, it made me think.

K-Pax was good, it made me think.
Also quite good. Agreed.
I was moved a bit by Pay It Forward as well.

The Fog of War. I think that's a film where you see McNamara certainly trying to give a self-serving side of his story, and yet he can't help but admit some truth about the man he was. And also dealing with war, I highly recommend The Battle of Algiers. That one haunted me for a long time.

I'm a big blabbertooter when it comes to movies. I cry at anything sad. However, only one film has made me cry with what was essentially joy: V for Vendetta. The themes handled were just amazing, especially the climax with the 1812 Overture. It seems like a quite unlikely candidate, considering the acting is a tad hammy in places, but it truly is my favourite film.

I'm a big blabbertooter when it comes to movies. I cry at anything sad. However, only one film has made me cry with what was essentially joy: V for Vendetta. The themes handled were just amazing, especially the climax with the 1812 Overture. It seems like a quite unlikely candidate, considering the acting is a tad hammy in places, but it truly is my favourite film.
It was stronger the second time for me ... though, i am an empath and my wife is too (and her sister) and they were both watching it with me, so i'm sure that factors in. *bows*
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Stars Episodes 1-6. It made me hate George Lucas even more.

But The Last Castle made me realy interested in war. Not as in starting one but studying them.

Saving Private Ryan. Shouldn't have to explain that.

Requiem For a Dream.
Annnd... The Notebook... oh shut up. *leaves thread*

Why has no-one mentioned the film with the twist that kicks you in the guts time and time again?

The Usual Suspects - a crazy, amazing film. And all from a poster at Cannes... damn.

2001: A Space Odyssey - because it's so hypnotic, and the ending blows my mind
Apocalypse Now - hypnotic again, but in a faster-paced sense
Fight Club - it's like Office Space, A Clockwork Orange, Donnie Darko, and V for Vendetta all mixed together and x 3. I don't remember any other movie leaving me breathless.

Requiem For a Dream.
[COLOR="White"]Annnd... The Notebook... oh shut up. *leaves thread*[COLOR]

I liked the Notebook... its ok... And I had to have a shower after Requiem for a Dream... it made me feel so dirty

Wolf Creek, Donnie Darko and Saw

wolf creek messed with my faith in the human race, and my faith in john jarrat as just that nice guy off better homes and gardens.

donnie darko is just one amazing movie. i always cry in the end when that 'mad world' song starts. it just makes you think about choices and chances

saw. that movie affected me psychologically in the worst way

Why has no-one mentioned the film with the twist that kicks you in the guts time and time again?

The Usual Suspects - a crazy, amazing film. And all from a poster at Cannes... damn.
EXCELLENT movie. *bows*

Fight Club - it's like Office Space, A Clockwork Orange, Donnie Darko, and V for Vendetta all mixed together and x 3. I don't remember any other movie leaving me breathless.
EXCELLENT analogy!!! *mega-BOW*

A lot of what I would have said has already been mentioned, so I have to go a little deeper...

Salesman, an early verte documentary observing door to door bible salesmen. One of the more disturbing scenes, watching one of them lie to a wife to force her into buying the bible, or the sales meeting where they face the shrinking landscape of the door to door salesman.

Begotten, two hours of a man dragging himself across a desert while being stripped, dressed, re-stripped, redressed and beaten by nomads, who when not dressing, undressing, or beating him pound meat into holes in the dirt. This after the half-hour of 'god' disembowling and shitting herself on a porch. Done by the guy who eventually made Shadow of the Vampire.

Generic Film School Entry-
The Bicycle Thief. I made fun of the hype on the box when I watched it with my friend, but then I watched it and apologized.

Slightly more mainstream-

The Straight Story-So fucking beautiful a movie that it makes me pissed off at Lynch becuase the rest of his movies are so indulgent but he is clearly capable of making an incredible movie.

American Splendor-From the narrative style of the subject to the blend of documentary and narrative styles, this was just an amazing film that signifigantly changed how I looked at narrative, biography and autobiography.

Smoke To date the only film I watched in a theater that I watched again the very next day. (without actually working at that theater)

Fantasia (the original one) messed with me, but maybe it was because I was smoking crack at the time and I thought I could walk into the picture.

Fantasia (the original one) messed with me, but maybe it was because I was smoking crack at the time and I thought I could walk into the picture.
I think I was at that showing...


Actually went to a restoration screening a long time ago that was hosted by a local film historian. A family had a little kid running up and down the stairs-no big deal, it was before the film and it is a Disney movie with Mickey in it, kids are going to show up. What made me laugh was how he decided to calm the kid, with this phrase, "Come here little monkey. Hear, have some meat, little monkey." It prompted me to check to make sure he wasn't actually a monkey...

The wife also took a flash photo of the opening title card.

A lot of what I would have said has already been mentioned, so I have to go a little deeper...

Salesman, an early verte documentary observing door to door bible salesmen. One of the more disturbing scenes, watching one of them lie to a wife to force her into buying the bible, or the sales meeting where they face the shrinking landscape of the door to door salesman.
That reminds me ... i should mention Glengarry Glen Ross.

That reminds me ... i should mention Glengarry Glen Ross.

That reminds me.... I need new steak knives.

That reminds me.... I need new steak knives.
Hahahaha!

Fight Club blew me away, as did Knockin' on Heaven's Door (German). Der Untergang moved me to tears. V for Vendetta was quite impressive, but the comic was better. La Marche was a pretty chilling foreshadowing of what happened in Ceuta and Melilla recently, and that stuck to mind ("Third World War or Third World War?").

American Splendor-From the narrative style of the subject to the blend of documentary and narrative styles, this was just an amazing film that signifigantly changed how I looked at narrative, biography and autobiography.


So very true. I love Smoke too.

Movies that made me think...
Few classics that moved me as a teenager
Clockwork Orange
Paths of Glory
A short film about killing (Kieslowski)
The Elephant Man (first Lynch movie I ever saw)

Few more recent ones
Knife in the water (Polanski) just amazing. I can't understand how this can be anyone's first feature.
Birds, Orphans and Fools (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0065193/)
Idi i Smotri, most disturbing war movie I've ever seen. About the lives of ordinary civilians in the middle of the war (in Belarus)
The Passion of Joan of Arc (Dreyer) I hated it the first time I saw it, I thought it was the most boring film ever made the second time I saw it. Now I just love it. Cinema hasn't been that artsy after expressionist and the Russian montage guys (Vertov, Eisenstein). (in large scale)
Oldboy
City of God
Ali Zaoua prince de la rue (about street kids in Casablanca)
Funny Games
Battle Royale That certainly took me by surprise...

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The Elephant Man (first Lynch movie I ever saw)

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The Passion of Joan of Arc (Dreyer) I hated it the first time I saw it, I thought it was the most boring film ever made the second time I saw it. Now I just love it. Cinema hasn't been that artsy after expressionist and the Russian montage guys (Vertov, Eisenstein). (in large scale)
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I completely forgot The Elephant Man...the best movie I'll never watch again. I just can't put myself through that kind of depression again...

The Passion of Joan of Arc I kind of had the same experience, though my second viewing was in film school so I had all this context to look for in the movie.

movies that make me think

Train Spotting
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
Jarhead
Ghost in the Shell
Akira (ESPECIALLY THIS ONE)
The Ken Kessey video where they took a lot of drugs and rode on a bus for a while........ but thats something you gotta see for urself.......
SAW<------ that movie really messed with my mind like no ones business

People keep mentioning Saw as though the "twist" was something that had never been done before.

Hell, it had been done in Silence of the Lambs, just not for most of the damn movie.

As for myself, the only movie ever to make me go "WTF?" was A Clockwork Orange...then I read the book, and the movie makes MUCH more sense now.

The Fog of War. I think that's a film where you see McNamara certainly trying to give a self-serving side of his story, and yet he can't help but admit some truth about the man he was. And also dealing with war, I highly recommend The Battle of Algiers. That one haunted me for a long time.

Yeah, those two are excellent.

Donnie Darko - As a previous poster said, makes you think about choices & their consequences.

Ghost Dog - For the incongruity of it all.

Unforgiven - The ambiguity of killing, who/what is good & who/what is bad.

A few of mine have already been mentioned, so unfortunately I'm gonna have to play film nerd and go a little deeper.

Au Hazard Balthazar Jesus Christ, I never thought I'd cry for a donkey.

Gates of Heaven Errol Morris before he became hopelessly self-indulgent. Genius and profoundly moving.

Barracuda Mr Clement is the most sad, deranged and evil man in the history of film, this one scarred me for fucking life.

Picnic at Hanging Rock Can't believe this was made by the same guy who made the awful "The Last Wave" and "The Cars that Ate Paris", haunting doesn't even begin to sum it up.

Rosetta Small Belgian film about a girl struggling to find a life for herself. Punches you in the nuts. It goes beyond "realism".

And I gotta include a childhood favourite of mine:

White Fang I cried like a little girl when Ethan Hawke is chasing White Fang away because he knows hunters are coming after him, but White Fang doesn't understand this sudden cruelty and keeps trying to come back... ugh, so upsetting for a five year-old

Don't laugh at but this (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0150662/) one really got to me the other night. I was flippin' stations and happenned upon it and just couldn't change the channel. Watched most of it twice that night (it was on again). I dunno, it's just a really damn good movie. For a bit there it nearly had me in tears (me, a big tough, manly man), but by the end I couldn't be happier. Go see it.

EDIT: Can't really live with myself if I don't say more. It's called Fucking Åmål (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0150662/) (Show Me Love, in Canada). I just can't stop thinking about it for some reason. Not like other movies where it's a cool scene or something, it's the whole thing. It's the story I guess, or the plot really. It's something that I want to be able to relate to in way. Not that coming to terms with homosexuality bit, but the finding yourself part of it, the finding love and the confidence to express it.
Oh boy, do I ever love that movie. You're right, everyone should see it, it really is just that good.
I saw it way back when at the Berlin Film Festival, and the two main actresses were there and looked like all of 12 years old (well, okay, one of them was only 14, but still).


As for the OP - I'm stumped for an answer, which is awfully depressing, considering I'm a huge movie fan. :(

Hmm, I know that I've never been able to re-watch Sommersby (1993) because I could neither stand nor fathom that he'd rather let himself get killed for something he didn't do than lose his "honor". Guess that taught me I'm not all that big on honor, at least not when I have to chose between it and life.

And one that definitely "messed with me" was Nosferatu (1979) with Klaus Kinski in super-creepy mode. My parents let me watch that when I was way, way too young because I begged them to. Worst idea ever.
To this day (!) I can't watch vampire movies (From Dusk Till Dawn? Saw the first part only).
Also, it drove me nuts that all the women in the movie would sleep with their covers way down and their necks appetizingly presented, practically waiting to be bitten. Hence, my covers had to always be pulled up right to the chin and cover my neck completely. Many, many years later, I still can't sleep with my neck uncovered. :rolleyes:
So yeah, that movie certainly influenced me. But hey, at least I'm safe from vampires. *nod*

Momento starring Guy Pierce, i wasn't paying much attention and it is the kind of movie where you need too.:p

Gummo was quite impressionable, at least when i first saw it, the seven samurai and rashomon, both by kurosawa are truly masterpieces and the greatest of all times is without a doubt THE SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION (from freeman's and gunton's bits to newman's score).

Okay, movies that moved me...

Requiem for a dream - the first time I saw it I was stoned out of my mind and got goosebumps through the entire movie, cried in the end, especially for the old lady, somehow it pained me most to see her that way. Superb acting on her part as well as the other actors, left me in somewhat of a shock.

Pi: another aronofsky flick, that guy is a genius. This movie was so grizzly and eerie, it renewed my faith in movies (in days when too action-packed flag-waving over the top hollywood tripe fill the screens). Though there are some flaws in theoretical sense concerning this film, it more than makes up for it with a paranoia-fueled storyline and once again good acting, as well as great unforgetable scenes.

Tape; was a very good one, don´t know by which director, but it was a very low-budget film concerning three former friends (two guys, one girl - played by Uma thurman), beer, a hotelroom and secrets/memories, very good acting and nice plot-changes :)

Fight Club; instant classic and superb ending (ranking with the shock-ending value of the first planet of the apes, though not many people might agree).

Festen is also a good one, swedish I think, about a family weekend gone straight down the drain, sometimes funny, often times very disconcerting, but always fascinating...

C'est arrivé près de chez vous.

Known in Europe as 'It Happened Close To You', known in North America as 'Man Bites Dog', this is a Belgian film that follows a film crew as they document the life of a man who is a serial killer.
As the film goes on, the film crew become more and more involved with him...I won't ruin it too much for you, but there is a scene where the serial killer is suffocating a kid with a pillow after breaking into a house. As he is doing this, he laughs and jokes and converses with the film crew as if it's an everyday thing and that he is merely admonishing the child.

It raises questions like how hard is it to step from documenter of an event to someone directly involved in events around you and how easy or hard it is to do this.

It also asks later, why you were chuckling along with them while they were doing this.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_Bites_Dog_%28film%29


The Cell. Yeah it had Jennifer Lopez in it, but it's a headfuck. She travels into the mind (literally) of a comatose serial killer in the search for an answer to where a missing child is. The killer's mind is filled with physical manifestations of his own twisted and troubled mind, and some, if not all, go out of their way to show how f****d his mind is.

Literally 90 minutes of this.


Saving Private Ryan. The first time I saw this, I was not sure I could ever watch it again. The knife scene where Mellish and the German fight for control of Mellish's knife in the room, while another American soldier lays rasping, drowning and dying after a German bullet got him in the throat, while Upham sits on the stairs, paralysed by fear while Mellish is shouting for Upham's help is a truly horrifying moment, especially the outcome, with the German gaining control of the knife and pinning Mellish down after a bloody struggle, and slowly, but surely, plunging it into Mellish's heart, whispering "Shhh...Shhh it will be all over soon.....shhhh...shhhhh" while Mellish says "No,no,no, WAIT!"

And then the German walking down the stairs, past the sobbing and paralysed with Upham with a look of disgust on his face at the sight.

I remember a woman behind me as I watched, exclaiming "coward!" at Upham.

I turned round on her and I honestly could have spat in her face.

How do we know how any of us would react in a warzone? Who knows who of us would be the hero, be the shellshocked, be the war criminal? We all think we would do this, and do that, but we would never know unless we were placed in that situation.

The knife fight scene haunted me for ages.....many parts of the film did...the soldier on Omaha beach with his intestines hanging out, screaming for his mother, for example.



À bout de souffle, or 'out of breath' as it was orignally released in France, known more commonly as 'Breathless', this is a French film that follows the relationship that is struck up by a petty criminal and an American woman in Paris. The film is a journey about each other and human insecurities and a wish for freedom in an ever changing world that progresses too quickly for some and leaves them behind to struggle and what some people do to lash out.



*Spoiler*







The ending is what is most remembered. The petty criminal is shot in the street by the police. As he lays dying, he whispers to the police "Louse" in what could be a reference to his American girlfriend who betrayed him to the police, or the policeman standing over him.

When the girl runs up to her boyfriend, he is already dead. Gripped with grief, she asks a policeman what was his last words before he died.

The policeman pauses a moment, then calmly says "He said he never loved you."

Then the film ends.

It is a cruel, cruel and petty thing for the policeman to say, because that was not what the boyfriend said and she will never know that.

It just shows you how cruel and unkind human beings can be for no other reason that for their own satisfaction, if you ever needed it showing it to you, on film. It has all the more impact because it happens at the end.


There are more film I could think of, but that will do.

Fuck, man. I forgot about Man Bites Dog...gah, that movie does indeed fuck with you. And makes you not want to be a sound man on documentary shoots...

Fuck, man. I forgot about Man Bites Dog...gah, that movie does indeed fuck with you. And makes you not want to be a sound man on documentary shoots...

Who could know the occupation of a sound man could be so hazardous?

It's rarely, if ever shown on TV...it was shown about four, maybe five years ago here in the UK....never been shown since.

Who could know the occupation of a sound man could be so hazardous?

It's rarely, if ever shown on TV...it was shown about four, maybe five years ago here in the UK....never been shown since.
I can't imagine what would be left to be able to show that on tv here in the states...certainly not the scene that punches you so hard in the stomach...

It's rarely, if ever shown on TV...it was shown about four, maybe five years ago here in the UK....never been shown since.

Interestingly though it is completely uncut in the UK, which I was quite surprised at.

I think I was probably watching at the same time as you (Did you see it on FilmFour?)

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Most of the ones that came to mind have already been mentioned. So I will say The Battle of Algiers, utterly brilliant showing that there is no honour in war, and it was also nice that despite the backing the film had it was fairly unbiased in that it portrayed both sides badly.

I saw it on TV a while ago, and have been wanting to see it again ever since, but the last time I checked the DVD was 20 quid :(

Ahh shit man sooo many but heres a lil list.

Solent Green
The Medusa Touch
Fight Club
Donny Darko

But the very best a film from the late 80's from Oz, a big screen adaptation of a book of the same name:

Bliss

I urge eveybody to track it down and watch it, fantastic, but a little bit sureal in places.

I can't imagine what would be left to be able to show that on tv here in the states...certainly not the scene that punches you so hard in the stomach...

I've heard the states are restrictive in what they show on TV.

We have a 'watershed' here...swearing allowed after 9pm, anything goes after 10pm (near enough)

I've heard the states are restrictive in what they show on TV.

We have a 'watershed' here...swearing allowed after 9pm, anything goes after 10pm (near enough)
I thought rape was a total no no in England?

I've heard the states are restrictive in what they show on TV.

Two words: Janet Jackson

American TV is utter crap...all the violence you like, but heaven forbid your child hear the word "shit", or see a tit for all of two seconds. :rolleyes:

Requiem For a Dream.
Annnd... The Notebook... oh shut up. *leaves thread*
I only got tears in my eyes because my GF was bawling hers out.. Honestly!

I saw this extremely strange movie when in Queenstown a few years ago.. I can't remember what it was called unfortunately but it was fucking amazingly strange. I remember walking away and just saying 'What the fuck..', but not in a negative way.. I dunno, was a long time ago.

American Beauty.. I love that movie. As someone said, it does make you think differently.

8mm.. Man, that movie.. *shudder*

Interestingly though it is completely uncut in the UK, which I was quite surprised at.

It was the same with Clockwork Orange though, was'nt it?

The UK does have a good record of showing uncut films just recently, mostly on Channel 4 and it's related channels.



I think I was probably watching at the same time as you (Did you see it on FilmFour?)

Yeah, I think it was FilmFour, perhaps a free weekender they sometimes do?

I heard FilmFour was going to become free sometime this year..



Most of the ones that came to mind have already been mentioned. So I will say The Battle of Algiers, utterly brilliant showing that there is no honour in war, and it was also nice that despite the backing the film had it was fairly unbiased in that it portrayed both sides badly.

I saw it on TV a while ago, and have been wanting to see it again ever since, but the last time I checked the DVD was 20 quid :(


I tell you, I have been trying to track down and see that film for ages.

Where did you see it for sale? I can't find it anywhere.

8mm.. Man, that movie.. *shudder*

Tell me about it, uhh I realy didn't want to watch it, but I'm sorta glad I did.

Itchi the Killer. Anybody? Ohhh bloodbath!

I thought rape was a total no no in England?


Not until after 9pm if it's on TV. The Cinema is age restricted, although it can be bypassed. (It was when I was a kid)

Straw Dogs has been shown a couple of times on the TV.

Two words: Janet Jackson

American TV is utter crap...all the violence you like, but heaven forbid your child hear the word "shit", or see a tit for all of two seconds. :rolleyes:

All that fuss over a lady's mammary gland....amazing.

Boys Dont Cry(I couldnt believe what they did to her and it was a true story)
Million Dollar Baby(It took a turn that I totally didnt expect)
Monster(also a true story)

Fuck, man. I forgot about Man Bites Dog...gah, that movie does indeed fuck with you. And makes you not want to be a sound man on documentary shoots...

I'd forgotten about Man Bites Dog. It's an incredible movie. I remember the scene where he frightens the old lady into having a heart attack by yelling at here. Calls her "Granny Snuff" if my memory serves me correctly. A friend of mine had it on video, but I haven't seen it for ages.

Million Dollar Baby(It took a turn that I totally didnt expect)
Ohhh, good call. I was just waiting for her to be ok again. Great movie that.

Most of the ones that came to mind have already been mentioned. So I will say The Battle of Algiers, utterly brilliant showing that there is no honour in war, and it was also nice that despite the backing the film had it was fairly unbiased in that it portrayed both sides badly.

I saw it on TV a while ago, and have been wanting to see it again ever since, but the last time I checked the DVD was 20 quid

I tell you, I have been trying to track down and see that film for ages.

Where did you see it for sale? I can't find it anywhere.

They did a limited re-release of it in the cinemas here about 18 months ago. I went & saw it with a friend and we were both struck by the similarities to the war in Iraq. Plus-que ca change. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Annnd... The Notebook... oh shut up. *leaves thread*I only got tears in my eyes because my GF was bawling hers out.. Honestly!
Oh please, I absolutely bawled my eyes out when reading the book. No shame in that. *nod* The only way I will ever see that movie is at home by myself with a blanket and a year's supply of tissues (both for bawling into and for wiping my brow because Ryan Gosling is so damn hot :p).

grave of the fireflys
Tell me about it!

Der Untergang moved me to tears.
Yep. Weird that, really.

V for Vendetta was quite impressive, but the comic was better.
True (although I only found out after I saw the movie), but the movie still got me. Maybe I'm at that age, but when I left the theatre, I could probably have shot the first policeman I saw. No morals, no nothing.

Also, watching Das Boot for the first time, when I didn't know the ending yet.

And, not really a movie but anyways, Evangelion. I don't watch it, I don't understand it. I just saw this one scene in which the kid/hero is in the hospital and sees his friend/comrade/love interest (I presume) hurt and sleeping on the bed. And when her clothing slips a little bit, showing some skin - the first thing he does is get down to business and asks himself "What the f*ck am I doing?"
I can't explain it, never could. But that got me on some weird level. I don't even know what I think about it, I just know that that scene tinkered with my head.

Also, watching Das Boot for the first time, when I didn't know the ending yet.
Absolutely. I think especially so because you had spent so much time with the characters, seeing how it was, what, 6 hours altogether on TV?

And to get so close to them and then see it all go down in flames in the end - devastating.

Absolutely. I think especially so because you had spent so much time with the characters, seeing how it was, what, 6 hours altogether on TV?

And to get so close to them and then see it all go down in flames in the end - devastating.
That was a harsh ending.

Also "Schindler's List" and "The Pianist"



oh and "The Village"

Million Dollar Baby(It took a turn that I totally didnt expect)

I met the person in charge of promoting The Sea Inside that came out around the same time and had the same theme and she was upset that both films where about the same thing but Million Dollar Baby hid it in the advertising and The Sea Inside really couldn't.

They did a limited re-release of it in the cinemas here about 18 months ago.

Aieee!


I went & saw it with a friend and we were both struck by the similarities to the war in Iraq. Plus-que ca change. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Indeed. The Times, They Are a Changing, But History Is Repeating, to quote Dylan, The Propellerheads and Bassey.

I met the person in charge of promoting The Sea Inside that came out around the same time and had the same theme and she was upset that both films where about the same thing but Million Dollar Baby hid it in the advertising and The Sea Inside really couldn't.

Oh yeah? I havent seen The Sea Inside.....now i'll hafta watch it!

I met the person in charge of promoting The Sea Inside that came out around the same time and had the same theme and she was upset that both films where about the same thing but Million Dollar Baby hid it in the advertising and The Sea Inside really couldn't.
Because we always get the movies like a billion years later here, I already knew the twist in Million Dollar Baby. Grrrrrrrrrrrr. :mad:

But yeah, didn't see Sea Inside, still want to.

Absolutely. I think especially so because you had spent so much time with the characters, seeing how it was, what, 6 hours altogether on TV?

And to get so close to them and then see it all go down in flames in the end - devastating.

Das Boot.

Absolutely.

If anybody needs showing that not every German fighting in WW2 was a Nazi, it's that one.

I also recommend 'Stalingrad'. The ending.....the cold, so welcoming to them.

Pressure came from the US to change the ending, to make it positive, but the producers, the same producers of Das Boot, held out.

And Cross Of Iron.

"I hate officers"

Grave of Fireflies
JSA:joint Sercurity Area
Silmido
6am
Ghost in the Shell 1 and 2
and not a movie but a series Geneshaft

Apocalypse Now, Silence of the Lambs, Schindler's List, Spitfire Grill, Shawshank Redemption... all movies that just shut me up. Spitfire Grill's the only movie I've ever cried at the end of. The rest are just... I dunno, something pwoerful about them, but it's different. They're all different, actually.

Manchurian Candidate (the new one, the idea sounds plausible)
Platoon (when you see Elias running from all those NVA and that sad classic music comes on, that was excellent film footage)
Enemy at the Gates (one of the best WW2 movies I have ever seen ever, that also includes with Private Ryan)

Also "Schindler's List" and "The Pianist"



oh and "The Village"


Nooo not M Night Shamalots 'The Village'? Not a bad film but I went to watch a horror or at the very least a thriller, and what did I see, a blimmim romance.

Not that I'm against romance films, but it was billed as a horror, and it blatantly wasn't. I felt cheated!

The Wild Bunch (Sam Peckinpah). A movie from the 1960s, one of the first, best anti-hero movies.

It blurs the lines between good and bad, and makes you think about friendship, existence, and death.

Also probably one of the best end scenes in a movie, in a time when they didn't have computers to do special effects.

Cold Hand Luke.
Once Were Warriors.
A Clockwork Orange.
Fight Club
V for Vendetta
Deathrace 2k

And tons of others I can't remember right now.

Why has no-one mentioned the film with the twist that kicks you in the guts time and time again?

The Usual Suspects - a crazy, amazing film. And all from a poster at Cannes... damn.


That movie fucked with me, it was like 6 AM at my sisters flat.


Along with Fight Club and plenty of other movies...


Fight Club, holy shit.

It was the same with Clockwork Orange though, was'nt it?

AFAIK, Man Bites Dog went uncut because the BBFC didn't think anyone would be interested in seeing an Belgian art-house film and didn't really want to draw attention to it but cutting it.

A Clockwork Orange was slightly different. I believe Kubrick cut it himself. But I'm not sure, The BBFC certainly didn't cut though.

http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classified.nsf/0/1FD45012C77D9439802566C800544EBB?OpenDocument

The UK does have a good record of showing uncut films just recently, mostly on Channel 4 and it's related channels.

Well Last House on the Left still isn't allowed uncut, 30 years after it was made.

Though I agree that FilmFour is really good for showing uncut films. (That's how I finally managed to see Dust Devil more or less uncut.


Yeah, I think it was FilmFour, perhaps a free weekender they sometimes do?

I heard FilmFour was going to become free sometime this year..

20th July





I tell you, I have been trying to track down and see that film for ages.

Where did you see it for sale? I can't find it anywhere.

I saw a vanilla copy in Virgin some time last year (And no matter how brilliant the film is, 20 quid just seemed too much)

Also Amazon.co.uk are selling it for around £11 (I really must get a job, well, a paying one*)

I heard Criterion will be releasing a special edition though



*EDIT: Weird, within half an hour of posting that I get a phone call teling me that I have a job, yay!

I thought rape was a total no no in England?
Not until after 9pm if it's on TV. The Cinema is age restricted, although it can be bypassed. (It was when I was a kid)

Straw Dogs has been shown a couple of times on the TV.

The BBFC position is that any form of sexualised violence is a big no no.

Interesting though, when the BBFC revised its opinion of Straw Dogs they actually demanded that the rape scene be restored fully because they felt the cut version of the rape wasn't nasty enough.

Full expalination.
http://www.channel4.com/film/reviews/feature.jsp?id=111076

The Wild Bunch (Sam Peckinpah). A movie from the 1960s, one of the first, best anti-hero movies.


I love Peckinpah, he's probably one of my favorite directors. Straw Dogs and The Wild Bunch are two of my favorite films.

Manchurian Candidate (the new one, the idea sounds plausible)

You really should check out the original, it is fantastic.

You really should check out the original, it is fantastic.Heh, seems you & I like all the same films.

The Fog of War. I think that's a film where you see McNamara certainly trying to give a self-serving side of his story, and yet he can't help but admit some truth about the man he was. And also dealing with war, I highly recommend The Battle of Algiers. That one haunted me for a long time.
the fog of war was just on the history channel the other day. its a "must see" for anyone interested in recent american history. the insights into the behind the scenes discussions really do "mess with you".

he (robert mcnamara) talked about meeting wth fidel castro in '92 and only THEN finding out that not only did they have nulcear warheads during the cuban missile crisis but that castro had recommended to kruschev that they USE them even though he knew that it would result in the absolute destruction of cuba.

he talked about meeting with the defense minister of vietnam well after the war and having the man look at him and say "how could you think we were puppets of the russians or the chinese? didnt you ever read a history book to see that we had been resisting the chinese for a thousand years?"

i cant recommend it highly enough.

so after watching it again last night, i put

HEARTS AND MINDS

onto my netflix list so that my son could see it. its a documentary on the vietnam war released in 1974. it won the best documentary oscar for that year.

Momento. I mean, really, what in the royal, triple barreled, White Light special, double D, chrome handled, supreme fuck happened? :confused:
Seconded. Memento's ending is pure mind fuck. Most unpredictable twist ending I've ever seen in a movie.

Don't laugh at but this (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0150662/) one really got to me the other night. I was flippin' stations and happenned upon it and just couldn't change the channel. Watched most of it twice that night (it was on again). I dunno, it's just a really damn good movie. For a bit there it nearly had me in tears (me, a big tough, manly man), but by the end I couldn't be happier. Go see it.

EDIT: Can't really live with myself if I don't say more. It's called Fucking Åmål (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0150662/) (Show Me Love, in Canada). I just can't stop thinking about it for some reason. Not like other movies where it's a cool scene or something, it's the whole thing. It's the story I guess, or the plot really. It's something that I want to be able to relate to in way. Not that coming to terms with homosexuality bit, but the finding yourself part of it, the finding love and the confidence to express it.


That movies is made in the town just a few miles of mine well well back to subject that made me think hmm....


Serenity(Sci-Fi by josh whedon)
Walk the line(movie about the Famous County star Johnny Cash)
Star wars
And i have more but they have slipped my mind

That reminds me.... I need new steak knives.
I need a Cadillac and six thousand dollars.

http://www.horrortalk.com/reviews/WickerMan/WickerMan.jpg

the fog of war was just on the history channel the other day. its a "must see" for anyone interested in recent american history. the insights into the behind the scenes discussions really do "mess with you". Indeed. The realisation that the man was human, was a shocking one. One just doesn't expect a genocidal psycho like that to get all remorseful.

Heh, seems you & I like all the same films.

Do you also like horror films?

http://www.horrortalk.com/reviews/WickerMan/WickerMan.jpg

Won't somebody please think of the children! (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0450345/)

Do you also like horror films?Oh yes!

My usual criteria for picking films, is rubber critters and/or an abundance of missing bodyparts.

Won't somebody please think of the children! (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0450345/)
Won't somebody please think of my brain cells...

*gags*

Won't somebody please think of the children! (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0450345/)Is it a remake of the old 70s Wickerman flick set on some (Scotish?) Isle, or is this a new film?

Won't somebody please think of the children! (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0450345/)


why do they keep remaking classics? :mad:

rob zombie is now remaking halloween or something as well.

Oh yes!

My usual criteria for picking films, is rubber critters and/or an abundance of missing bodyparts.

:eek:

It's almost like we were twins seperated at birth.

Is it a remake of the old 70s Wickerman flick set on some (Scotish?) Isle, or is this a new film?

It's a remake starring starring Nicholas Cage. I was originally going to reserve judgement, but then I saw the trailer.

It's a remake starring starring Nicholas Cage. I was originally going to reserve judgement, but then I saw the trailer.
Yeah, and let's not link to that trailer here lest I go catatonic, AC. Oh well, it'll be half a giggle to rent on DVD the one time.

:eek:

It's almost like we were twins seperated at birth.Heh, I could think of worse people to be related to ;) It's a remake starring starring Nicholas Cage. I was originally going to reserve judgement, but then I saw the trailer.Ack! That guy should've quit making films after Wild At Heart.

alright...we all have those movies...you know the ones. Maybe for you, its the ones where you watch them, and at the end, you just sit there and think. Maybe they're the ones that make you cry more than once. Or maybe they're the ones that make you question something about yourself. No matter what, these are the movies that somehow change you, make you look at something different.

What movies do this for you? What about the movie does that?

Movies that Make you go Hmmmm...

Alot were mentioned... but here are some that I found thought provoking.
Perfect Blue - Reality and Fantasy merge as a young actress finds that she's being stalked.
(series) Madlax - a delve into human nature.
Interstate 60 (http://imdb.com/title/tt0165832/) - A young man goes on a journey to complete a job... on a highway that doesn't exsist.
Groundshog Day - How would you handle being stuck in the same day for days on end?

Heh, I could think of worse people to be related to ;)

The frightening thing is, I've agreed with everything you two've put up so far...

One that fucks me up everytime is the 70's flick Silent Running with Bruce Dern. I can't keep a dry eye...

Also, the original, Max Schreck version of Nosferatu. The Klaus Kinski version is good, but the original is still the best vampire film ever ( and I should note I'm a big Christopher Lee and Peter Cushing fan!)

why do they keep remaking classics? :mad: I don't get it either. rob zombie is now remaking halloween or something as well.Now that I almost understand. Rob Zombie makes great B flicks, and I'll be shocked out of my skin if his remake isn't at least a few billion times more fun than the original.

Still, Halloween is such a disaster, plot-wise, that I fail to see the point of remaking it.The frightening thing is, I've agreed with everything you two've put up so far...Another long-lost siebling? Hahaha. We'll have to make an NSG Bad Taste gang.One that fucks me up everytime is the 70's flick Silent Running with Bruce Dern. I can't keep a dry eye...Tehee, I'm almost don't want to say it, but I hated it. It seemed like one long over simplistic hippie-wank.Also, the original, Max Schreck version of Nosferatu. The Klaus Kinski version is good, but the original is still the best vampire film ever ( and I should note I'm a big Christopher Lee and Peter Cushing fan!)But this I do agree with. By the way, did anyone else notice 2005 was the year of cheap, terrible vampire flicks?

Every year is the year of cheap, terrible vampire flicks.

Learn to apply Sturgeon's Law, young grasshopper.

I don't get it either. Now that I almost understand. Rob Zombie makes great B flicks, and I'll be shocked out of my skin if his remake isn't at least a few billion times more fun than the original.

Still, Halloween is such a disaster, plot-wise, that I fail to see the point of remaking it.Another long-lost siebling? Hahaha. We'll have to make an NSG Bad Taste gang.Tehee, I'm almost don't want to say it, but I hated it. It seemed like one long over simplistic hippie-wank.But this I do agree with.

I am a huge fan of rob zombie films, i just think he needs to stay away from halloween. hes not just remaking it he's supposed to be "re-inventing" michael meyers. john carpenter personally gave zombie the OK to do so. I just think his talents could be used in original films and not remakes.


By the way, did anyone else notice 2005 was the year of cheap, terrible vampire flicks?

yeah also the year of zombie flicks too if im not mistaken, some shitty some good.

Broken Flowers. Man, that movie pissed me off.

K-Pax was good, it made me think.

K-Pax was good on the Kevin Spacey performance alone, before anything else is mentioned... you are going to get the same 'thought-provocation' from a lot of Spacey... "The Usual Suspects", "American Beauty", "Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil".

He's pretty careful about what he takes, most of the time.

I watched K-Pax totally expecting NOT to like it - I have never really been a fan of Jeff Bridges... but he was surprisingly good.

But what really convinced me - were the little touches... the directorial choices. I loved the way the palette of the movie slowly shifts from beginning to end - from the harsh 'reality' colours of the opening, to the muted hues of Prot's homeworld... the orange and purple shades, and the slide from a bright vivid palette to a much softer, darker palette. The use of lens flares, and 'uncomfortable' shutterspeeds, to counterpoint the experiences and memories of Prot, and of Prot's 'host'.

It's a beautiful film, and it certainly does make you think. :)

Vanilla Sky confused the hell out of me the first time I watched it. But then again, I was younger. Maybe because I kept ogling Tom Cruise.

Fahrenheit 911 - I just can't bear listening to Michael Moore talk.

Momento. I mean, really, what in the royal, triple barreled, White Light special, double D, chrome handled, supreme fuck happened? :confused:

and I would have to third the ending of this movie- very freakin awesome. along a simliar line- "The Butterfly Effect"

As well as....

"The Usual Suspects"- Ok, so the last five minutes of this movie was totally worth the other two hours of "so-so"

"American History X"- wow, just...wow... (I cried at the end of that movie)

and, as cheesy as it may sound, "The Sixth Sense"- you watch it once and you will never watch it the same way again

As for movies that give me the feeling like I just got hit by a bus, "Schindler's List", "Full Metal Jacket", "platoon" and "The Passion", and "American Beauty" (they all just mad me let out a big breath and thank god I am alive..."

EDIT: Forgot one. "The Cube" where a bunch of people wake up in this cube, try to find their way out. The cube was a rip in time, ends up that "safe" rooms have something to do with the prime numbers and all the people who were put into the cube are not who they seem to be...very freaky, very gory (people die in some really spectacular ways) and very mind-screwy- heaven't seen it in ages, but definately one of my top ten

The first few that spring instantly to mind:

"Fight Club" is the big one, obviously. Good on SO many levels, that you can watch it over and over and over, and THEN realise something entirely new about it - that would have made it stand-out from any other director - like the 'drop' pan from the office block window to the van in the underground parking... which you watch without thinking, until you realise the camera has dropped 50 floors, gone through the floor, and across the street...

"Hero" is another strong contendor - not just because it is breathtakingly beautiful - but because of the way it makes you think about issues... some big issues - like what does "My land" actually mean?, or 'what is worth dying for?'... some small issues - like how much of our thought is entirely shaped by our language, and even by the way we write?

"Mulholland Drive"... the token David Lynch film... there has to be one. There must be a universal rule that says "If you understand a David Lynch film, perfectly, the first time you watch it... you missed the point". A film that definitely blurs the boundaries.

"Marebito"... made in 8 days, between the production of Ju-on and The Grudge... not a conventional horror, but certainly something that makes you think about concepts of desensitization, and what effect the 'camera' has on our perceptions of the reality of other people.

Broken Flowers. Man, that movie pissed me off.
I loved that movie, almost entirely because of the last shot. Without it the film would have been pointless. I love films that can do that.

I loved that movie, almost entirely because of the last shot. Without it the film would have been pointless. I love films that can do that.

But it was set up like a mystery with a solution, and it wasn't resolved that way. Where is the consistency?

But it was set up like a mystery with a solution, and it wasn't resolved that way. Where is the consistency?
That's why the last shot made the movie, it was playing with your expectations. If he really found his kid or even found out for sure he had one the movie would have been pat.

I could mount a better defence, but I'd need a copy of the movie and it would be a page and half long and only in the end of interest to me...

That's why the last shot made the movie, it was playing with your expectations. If he really found his kid or even found out for sure he had one the movie would have been pat.

I could mount a better defence, but I'd need a copy of the movie and it would be a page and half long and only in the end of interest to me...

That's okay, save yourself the trouble. I know it was more artsy and experimental that way, but I want to know who his son is!

"Hero" is another strong contendor - not just because it is breathtakingly beautiful - but because of the way it makes you think about issues... some big issues - like what does "My land" actually mean?, or 'what is worth dying for?'... some small issues - like how much of our thought is entirely shaped by our language, and even by the way we write?
And, of course, because it's breathtakingly beautiful. *nod*

That's okay, save yourself the trouble. I know it was more artsy and experimental that way, but I want to know who his son is!
You're supposed to...okay, I'll stop. I really can go on for days about these kinds of things and tend not to notice peoples eyes going dead and resorting to passing out to escape the endless stream...

blade runner was always one of those kind of movies to me when i was little

Saving Private Ryan. Shouldn't have to explain that.

You really fell for that crappy emotional-porn piece of crap?

Get some taste.

Ghost in the Shell I and II

deep subjects concerning artificial intelligent beings and their ability to be self aware, the dubious nature of memory (especially if your brain can be hacked and false memories installed or even entirely new identities given - this can have many implications that could keep you up at night), transferring of human ghosts (souls?) from the human body to robotic units, corporations as nations, the future of corporate warfare and on and on - it's a brain teaser for sure.

blade runner was always one of those kind of movies to me when i was little
The directors cut does even a better job of that...

Mind Warp.

blade runner was always one of those kind of movies to me when i was little

still is to me - great flick

wow I'm surprised some really good movies are being mentioned and some sound good enough for me to go out of my way to rent or download, keep it up :)

Some of my favs, most have been mentioed
Rules of attraction
American Beauty
Fight Club,
Donnie Darko,
A Clockwork Orange,
The Shawshank Redemption,
Pulp Fiction
Blair Witch Prodject,
American history X,
Garden State,

The great disaster films always get me thinking. The ol' what would i do in this situation thing. Favourite 2 are: The Poseidon Adventure and Alive (eating the dead to stay alive is not my idea of fun!)

The Excorsist got me thinking....... how could a horror movie with a great story + such well composed creepy music, with great potential turn out so boring?

I hated Hero - it is the most beautiful piece of cinema that I've ever seen but the overuse of wirework annoys the hell out of me - especially the scene where they fight while flying over a lake and dip their swords in the water to spring back up - Grr! very Grr! House of Flying Daggers is much better!

why do they keep remaking classics? :mad:

Not all remakes are bad.

I have to admit I was pleasantly* surprised by the remakes of Dawn of the Dead and especially with Alexader Aja's The Hills Have Eyes.

I also hear Wes Craven is looking for a director to remake his classic Last House on the Left, which should be interesting. It will also be interesting to see if it passes uncut in the UK.


*Probably not the best word to use in this context I know.

.Another long-lost siebling? Hahaha. We'll have to make an NSG Bad Taste gang.

Now that's an idea I like :)

Blair Witch Prodject,

Ugh, horrible film.

That film has the dubious honour of the first film I switched off half way through because of boredom and annoyance.

Ugh, horrible film.

That film has the dubious honour of the first film I switched off half way through because of boredom and annoyance.
ohhh, the first one for me was "Hostel"-- the first half of the movie was nothing more than soft-core p0rn, the second was all the gore you could handle. no story, no anything great. watched it in two nights.......

Ugh, horrible film.

That film has the dubious honour of the first film I switched off half way through because of boredom and annoyance.
I watched it early on in the theaters and afterwards I wanted to yell "Motion sickness isn't fear, it's motion sickness!!!" (much had been made at the time of someone throwing up during the movie presumably from fear. I contend it was motion sickness.0

ohhh, the first one for me was "Hostel"-- the first half of the movie was nothing more than soft-core p0rn, the second was all the gore you could handle. no story, no anything great. watched it in two nights.......

Hostel wasn't a great film by any measure, but I found it fairly entertaining. It was an exploitation film, nothing more. But looking back on it, it wasn't all that gratuitous. I'm not sure if it was Roth nodding to his friend Quentin Tarentino, but there was a lot of cutting away from the very grusome bits.

My only real complaint was that it got steadily sillier as the film progressed, and it wasn't very serious to start with.

Though it isn't completley devoid of interest.

*Sigh* its that time of day again, when I continue to round an round in circles. Sorry.

I watched it early on in the theaters and afterwards I wanted to yell "Motion sickness isn't fear, it's motion sickness!!!" (much had been made at the time of someone throwing up during the movie presumably from fear. I contend it was motion sickness.0


They weren't the only one. I know five people that complained of motion sickness after seeing it in the cinema. Though they didn't admit to throwing up.

I'm beginning to feel happy I didn't try watching it in one sitting :)

The directors cut does even a better job of that...
Y'all read the book?
It's ... a bit different ...

1984 (captures the spirit of the book amazingly well)
The Truman Show
Memento (duh)
Primer (a very cool, unostentatious time travel movie, almost as bad as Memento)
Lost in Translation
Cube
War of the Worlds (for the way it portrayed our modern world being so easily shattered)

À bout de souffle[/B], or 'out of breath' as it was orignally released in France, known more commonly as 'Breathless', this is a French film that follows the relationship that is struck up by a petty criminal and an American woman in Paris. The film is a journey about each other and human insecurities and a wish for freedom in an ever changing world that progresses too quickly for some and leaves them behind to struggle and what some people do to lash out.


I love that film. I have to find time to watch it today.

Primer (a very cool, unostentatious time travel movie, almost as bad as Memento)

I have to watch it again. I've only seen a crappy download version with bad audio. I couldn't quite follow it (I want my subtitles :) ). I was also too tired to pay enough attention to it.

Another one that I have to watch again in near future:

STALKER
I've only seen it once and now I've read the book and listened few lectures by sound designer who worked with the sound team and knew Tarkovsky personally.

Ugh, horrible film.

That film has the dubious honour of the first film I switched off half way through because of boredom and annoyance.

Its pretty much the only only horror thats actually scared me. Horror's always become lame when ever you see the zombie or bad guy and they look pathetic or unrealistic. They can put all the gore they want into it like the hills have eyes, but other than a couple moments when you feel a bit sadistic for enjoying the grusome violence it doesn't have much of an effect. Blair witch for me really did for me.

AFAIK, Man Bites Dog went uncut because the BBFC didn't think anyone would be interested in seeing an Belgian art-house film and didn't really want to draw attention to it but cutting it.

I suppose they were going by not drawing attention to Man Bites Dog via reputation, not realising the film could draw attention by it's quality.


A Clockwork Orange was slightly different. I believe Kubrick cut it himself. But I'm not sure, The BBFC certainly didn't cut though.

http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classified.nsf/0/1FD45012C77D9439802566C800544EBB?OpenDocument

The BBFC did not cut it, they did not need to. Kubrick banned the entire film from being shown after some copycat incidents...it was not lifted until some years after his death.



Well Last House on the Left still isn't allowed uncut, 30 years after it was made.

Neither was Texas Chainsaw Massacre or Straw Dogs until only a few years ago...


Though I agree that FilmFour is really good for showing uncut films. (That's how I finally managed to see Dust Devil more or less uncut.

It's a quality channel.




20th July


Excellent. Let's just hope the quality does not go downhill.



I saw a vanilla copy in Virgin some time last year (And no matter how brilliant the film is, 20 quid just seemed too much)

Virgin are extortianate!



Also Amazon.co.uk are selling it for around £11 (I really must get a job, well, a paying one*)

I heard Criterion will be releasing a special edition though

Thanks for the info, appreciated.


*EDIT: Weird, within half an hour of posting that I get a phone call teling me that I have a job, yay!

Congratulations!

The BBFC position is that any form of sexualised violence is a big no no.

I think that position is becoming increasingly blurred.


Interesting though, when the BBFC revised its opinion of Straw Dogs they actually demanded that the rape scene be restored fully because they felt the cut version of the rape wasn't nasty enough.

I suppose they took the position "If you must show Rape, show it in it's full horror.'

Its pretty much the only only horror thats actually scared me. Horror's always become lame when ever you see the zombie or bad guy and they look pathetic or unrealistic. They can put all the gore they want into it like the hills have eyes, but other than a couple moments when you feel a bit sadistic for enjoying the grusome violence it doesn't have much of an effect. Blair witch for me really did for me.

Really?

Well horses for courses. Though have you seen The Vanishing (http://imdb.com/title/tt0096163/) or Haute Tension (http://imdb.com/title/tt0338095/)?

Though I don't think watching horror films is sadistic. If anything it is masochistic, it is about putting yourself through a ringer.

Zardoz. Definitely my number one. Here's how it works: "Yeah! Zardoz! -sit down, watch movie- -Zardoz- -end- What?"

Next comes DeadAlive. Why did Lionel throw the crucifix away at the end? I fasted for three weeks once because of that.

The most emotionally impacting movie that I've seen, though understandable, is "La Vita è Bella", directed by Roberto Benigni. That's a truly great film, and is probably the deepest cinematic feature I've ever had my God damned pleasure to view. If you're not crying by the end of that movie, you're a heartless machine. Like the Terminator! Rawr!

I love Peckinpah, he's probably one of my favorite directors. Straw Dogs and The Wild Bunch are two of my favorite films.

Check out Cross Of Iron if you have not already.

http://www.horrortalk.com/reviews/WickerMan/WickerMan.jpg

How could I forget that one? How could I?! Drag me to the wicker man and have me burned with the farm animals!

Fantastic film.

I think that position is becoming increasingly blurred.



I suppose they took the position "If you must show Rape, show it in it's full horror.'

True. This little drift into Straw Dogs territory reminded of this: Straw Dogs: The Board Game (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5GOJnPhk8Q). Which shows that the BBFC may have been right in thinking the cut version made the rape look enjoyable.

The BBFC did not cut it, they did not need to. Kubrick banned the entire film from being shown after some copycat incidents...it was not lifted until some years after his death.

Ahh, thank you. I thought it was something like that.

Neither was Texas Chainsaw Massacre or Straw Dogs until only a few years ago...

I never realised the TCM wasn't passed.

Though there are also the infamous video nasties (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Nasties).

Check out Cross Of Iron if you have not already.

That and Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia have been on my "to watch" list a while now. I think the latter was on TV recently but I missed it unfortunately (though I have to admit, I mainly want to see it because I hear it referenced nearly every week on ISIHAC)

Vanilla Sky confused the hell out of me the first time I watched it. But then again, I was younger. Maybe because I kept ogling Tom Cruise.
Watch the Spanish one!

That screwed me over good. I seriously had nightmares that my face was going to be all ruined that night!

True. This little drift into Straw Dogs territory reminded of this: Straw Dogs: The Board Game (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5GOJnPhk8Q). Which shows that the BBFC may have been right in thinking the cut version made the rape look enjoyable.

Indeed. There was alot of fuss over that scene, criticism that the actress acted enjoying the scene and not making it rape etc. I still hear that debate rumble from time to time. The uncut version I saw shows she does not 'enjoy' it....to me anyway.



Ahh, thank you. I thought it was something like that.

No problem.



I never realised the TCM wasn't passed.

It was a strange decision, in hindsight after watching the film. No blood at all as far as I remember because of the budget.

I think it's the last 20 minutes that did it, when the woman is psychologically tortured and taunted. The BBFC probably could not handle it.


Though there are also the infamous video nasties (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Nasties).

You will not see Cannibal Holocaust on TV for a long time, although I'm not saying it won't be...testicle munching ahoy, I've heard.



That and Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia have been on my "to watch" list a while now. I think the latter was on TV recently but I missed it unfortunately (though I have to admit, I mainly want to see it because I hear it referenced nearly every week on ISIHAC)


Bring Me The Head Of Alfredo Garcia was indeed on recently, although the channel it was on slips my mind. Funnily enough, I missed it too.

Cross Of Iron is a must see. I have it on DVD. It's about a German company on The Eastern Front during 1943, I think just after The Battle Of The Kursk. There is one man, a Prussian, who joins them for the sheer reason he has not got the Iron Cross, and would not get it sitting about in occupied Paris.

The other Germans he joins just want to live in the face of the unstoppable Red Army.

To get a feel of the backdrop, watch Stalingrad, which leads up to the time scale of Cross Of Iron, and in that order.

Tarabas - a guest on this earth
I spent € 140 to get this one on DVD, tells how desperate I was to get this movie

Hero
I was literally speechless for 30 minutes after the show

Ghost in the Shell
What defines being human? Only the way how we treat each other?

Vanilla Sky
"Mach die Augen auf"

the Game
never saw that coming (if you didn't jump, I'd have had to push you)

Fight Club
never saw that one coming, too

Matrix
well, the first time I thought life was a computer simulation was after playing sim city, but honestly. Who didn't think about it after this movie?

Its pretty much the only only horror thats actually scared me. Horror's always become lame when ever you see the zombie or bad guy and they look pathetic or unrealistic. They can put all the gore they want into it like the hills have eyes, but other than a couple moments when you feel a bit sadistic for enjoying the grusome violence it doesn't have much of an effect. Blair witch for me really did for me.


I do have to admit that the movie did scare me when I first went and saw it (IT was a midnight show on Halloween and I lived right next to this big, huge nature reserve)

Now, not so much. Although, I do love the ending, with the girl (or guy can't quite remember) standing in the corner-- still gives me the goose-bumps

Hero
I was literally speechless for 30 minutes after the show

Vanilla Sky
"Mach die Augen auf"

Matrix
well, the first time I thought life was a computer simulation was after playing sim city, but honestly. Who didn't think about it after this movie?
Ditto on Hero, and I totally forgot the other two in my earlier post.
The first Matrix was truly awesome and mindfuck-y.
And Vanilla Sky, even though hated by many, stayed with me for a really long time. Even when listening to the soundtrack later on I would go into this very weird, slightly creepy mood.
And of course I was hopelessly in love with Tom Cruise after that movie (the hair!) :p. Thankfully if sadly, that crush is more than gone ever since he dipped his hands in the crazy.

Primer (a very cool, unostentatious time travel movie, almost as bad as Memento)

I loved Primer. I'm still desperately trying to find a copy (in my price range). Excellent movie that played new directions around the theme of time-travel, and the meaning of identity. I loved the way the director chose to apply equal attention to every voice in a room, rather than just the 'main character' voices, and the way that, because of that, you might have to watch the movie two or three times to pick out all the 'important' parts of a scene.

I also liked the way it did NOT overstate what it was doing... to work out what was 'wrong' required some little bit of thought... and then everything just pops into place the next time you watch it.

One of the great movies that no one has seen. :)

I always thought the movie Pi had that sort of quality as well.

I hated Hero - it is the most beautiful piece of cinema that I've ever seen but the overuse of wirework annoys the hell out of me - especially the scene where they fight while flying over a lake and dip their swords in the water to spring back up - Grr! very Grr! House of Flying Daggers is much better!

You understood... they didn't actually HAVE a fight at the lake, right?

I always thought the movie Pi had that sort of quality as well.

I actually liked "Pi", also... I liked the grainy texture... and the idea of getting excited over math. :)

Oh Christ, how can I not have mentioned "Solaris", (Tarkovsky's original), utterly stunning. Succeeds in doing what Kubrick's equally masterful "2001" did, but in a clearer and far more beautiful way. Just amazing.

Some others:

"Dumplings" by Fruit Chan. Yeah... just watch it... uh... yeah...

"The End of Evangelion" by Hideo Anno. Holy fuck...

"Dead Ringers" by David Cronenberg. Jeremy Irons giving TWO of the greatest performences put to screen. An utter masterpiece and a damn-sight better than Cronenberg's ill-fated attempt to make "Naked Lunch" Totally twisted and perfect.

"Sunrise" by F. Murnau I challenge you to watch this and not tear up, I fucking CHALLENGE you

"Naked" by Mike Leigh. Brilliant. Johnny is the greatest and worst man in the history of cinema. This movie changed the way I looked at films.

"12 Monkeys" by Terry Gilliam. Yes I know it's kinda cliche' to rabbit on about this remake of "La Jette", but who cares? I adore this film and the first time I watched it seriously screwed with me.

"Happiness" by Todd Solondz. I advise you never watch this, as it's pure agony to endure. Genius... but agony.

"Cache" (Hidden) by Michael Hanaeke. The last shot means everything.

Night of the Living Dead by George A. Romero. Totally disturbed me when I first saw it. I love it now and can kinda laugh at certain things, but the first viewing totally blindsided me.

"Wit" by Mike Nichols. I seriously advise you not to watch this, unless you enjoy watching Emma Thompson die horribly of cancer. I certainly didn't.

Oh Christ, how can I not have mentioned "Solaris", (Tarkovsky's original), utterly stunning. Succeeds in doing what Kubrick's equally masterful "2001" did, but in a clearer and far more beautiful way. Just amazing.

"Sunrise" by F. Murnau I challenge you to watch this and not tear up, I fucking CHALLENGE you

"12 Monkeys" by Terry Gilliam. Yes I know it's kinda cliche' to rabbit on about this remake of "La Jette", but who cares? I adore this film and the first time I watched it seriously screwed with me.


Almost agreed about Solaris (I'd say as beautiful... :) )

Sunrise? Seen it thrice, love it, but no tears. I have to admit that I may have watched it with too analytical eyes. I wrote essays about impressionism in cinema and about editing in Sunrise.

Agreed about 12 monkeys too. I hate it when people always remind that "it's only a remake of Marker's masterpiece" (La Jetée, only one "t") I disagree. The story is the same but these 2 movies are very different. I have the monkey clock poster hanging on the livingroom wall.
Anyways. I do recommend La Jetée and Marker's movies (e.g. Sans Soleil, Lettre de Siberie, Le Joli mai) in general to everyone. You may learn something new about cinema.

Identity. You know, that John Cusack movie? That fucked my mind up.

Almost agreed about Solaris (I'd say as beautiful... :) )

Sunrise? Seen it thrice, love it, but no tears. I have to admit that I may have watched it with too analytical eyes. I wrote essays about impressionism in cinema and about editing in Sunrise.

Agreed about 12 monkeys too. I hate it when people always remind that "it's only a remake of Marker's masterpiece" (La Jetée, only one "t") I disagree. The story is the same but these 2 movies are very different. I have the monkey clock poster hanging on the livingroom wall.
Anyways. I do recommend La Jetée and Marker's movies (e.g. Sans Soleil, Lettre de Siberie, Le Joli mai) in general to everyone. You may learn something new about cinema.

I'll go with the same thing. First, it's a bit of a Rueben at this point (something that everyone knows but someone still says it like no one does, like Pee Wee Herman's real name)

And then there is what you said. La Jetee is definitly a case of style over substance-not to knock the substance of the story, but it's really the idea of showing a motion picture without motion and the story serves that in that movie. While 12 Monkeys borrows that story it does not take the narrative style which was the most important element of the original. In that regard I would consider 12 Monkeys as an adaptation.

I'll go with the same thing. First, it's a bit of a Rueben at this point (something that everyone knows but someone still says it like no one does, like Pee Wee Herman's real name)

And then there is what you said. La Jetee is definitly a case of style over substance-not to knock the substance of the story, but it's really the idea of showing a motion picture without motion and the story serves that in that movie. While 12 Monkeys borrows that story it does not take the narrative style which was the most important element of the original. In that regard I would consider 12 Monkeys as an adaptation.
Nicely put.

(I like to talk about films but I hate to do it in English as my English sucks...)

I change my answer. I just saw Adaptation, and I totally change my answer.

I change my answer. I just saw Adaptation, and I totally change my answer.
*GREAT* car wreck scenes.