NationStates Jolt Archive


US Military Never Investigates Promptly

Deep Kimchi
19-06-2006, 20:48
Wait a second. What happened to the conspiracy of coverup, the orders from Cheney to massacre civilians with impunity...

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Three members of the 101st Airborne Division have been charged in connection with the deaths of three detainees during an operation near in southern Salaheddin Province, Iraq, on May 9, the U.S. military announced Monday.

A military news release said the charges in the case include murder, attempted murder, conspiracy, communicating a threat, and obstructing justice.

The release said the unit commander ordered an investigation on the day the alleged murders occurred, and the Army's Criminal Investigative Division is continuing the probe.

The soldiers charged in the case are in pretrial confinement, the release said, while it is determined if enough evidence exists to proceed with courts-martial.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/19/soldiers.charged/index.html

And what do you know? It's the 101st!
Corneliu
19-06-2006, 21:03
*chirp chirp chirp*
Empress_Suiko
19-06-2006, 21:07
Wait a second. What happened to the conspiracy of coverup, the orders from Cheney to massacre civilians with impunity...


http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/19/soldiers.charged/index.html

And what do you know? It's the 101st!


I guess Bush isn't smart enough to create a good cover-up?
Portu Cale MK3
19-06-2006, 21:07
...

and here i was thinking that cheney really had civvies killed! I actually liked him for that.

Regretfully, it seems only those soldiers have brains.

mmm do they get medals, now?
Corneliu
19-06-2006, 21:08
...

and here i was thinking that cheney really had civvies killed! I actually liked him for that.

Regretfully, it seems only those soldiers have brains.

mmm do they get medals, now?

doubtful. I have a feeling brig time, loss of rank and a discharge is coming for these disgraceful individuals.
Deep Kimchi
19-06-2006, 21:09
...

and here i was thinking that cheney really had civvies killed! I actually liked him for that.

Regretfully, it seems only those soldiers have brains.

mmm do they get medals, now?
No, it sounds like a court martial to me.

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj.htm

That's a link to the rules they'll be tried by.
Portu Cale MK3
19-06-2006, 21:13
No, it sounds like a court martial to me.

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj.htm

That's a link to the rules they'll be tried by.


sucks, doesn't it? :(
The SR
19-06-2006, 21:21
although you are trying to be a smartarse, you have just shot yourself in the foot.

the US military clearly can act promptly. so why in the scores of other cases are they dragging their heels?
Myrmidonisia
19-06-2006, 21:26
although you are trying to be a smartarse, you have just shot yourself in the foot.

the US military clearly can act promptly. so why in the scores of other cases are they dragging their heels?
Obviously, we have a unit commander that wants a promotion. He must think that this will secure it.

Or, possibly he was originally a supply or disbursing officer and doesn't understand troop handling.
Teh_pantless_hero
19-06-2006, 21:35
Obviously, we have a unit commander that wants a promotion. He must think that this will secure it.

Or, possibly he was originally a supply or disbursing officer and doesn't understand troop handling.
No, he's doing his job properly, he probably wants to go home.
The SR
19-06-2006, 21:46
Obviously, we have a unit commander that wants a promotion. He must think that this will secure it.

Or, possibly he was originally a supply or disbursing officer and doesn't understand troop handling.

:p :p :p officer to muderous rabble "its ok lads, execute away, ill say nothing otherwise your moral will be dented"
Ultraextreme Sanity
19-06-2006, 21:49
although you are trying to be a smartarse, you have just shot yourself in the foot.

the US military clearly can act promptly. so why in the scores of other cases are they dragging their heels?


Due process. availability of forensic evidence .Conflicting accounts of events ...etc.

If they are dragging any heels its to be sure they dont end up in their mouth by making stupid mistakes in a rush to judgement.

You just lifted up your dress and showed your leftist , guilty until proven innocent adgenda .
The SR
19-06-2006, 21:53
did i? did i really?

i just think its interesting that they can take 9 months, they can take 9 hours.

the optics and politics of who and how they prosecute for murder is more important than protecting innocent iraqi's?
The Nazz
19-06-2006, 21:57
Wait a second. What happened to the conspiracy of coverup, the orders from Cheney to massacre civilians with impunity...


http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/19/soldiers.charged/index.html

And what do you know? It's the 101st!
Can you give an example of people charging Cheney et al with the above conspiracy? Because I don't remember anyone throwing that one around. Now, I could have missed it, but certainly something that inflammatory ought to be easy to dig up...

I'll wait.
Gravlen
19-06-2006, 22:04
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Three members of the 101st Airborne Division have been charged in connection with the deaths of three detainees during an operation near in southern Salaheddin Province, Iraq, on May 9, the U.S. military announced Monday.

A military news release said the charges in the case include murder, attempted murder, conspiracy, communicating a threat, and obstructing justice.

The release said the unit commander ordered an investigation on the day the alleged murders occurred, and the Army's Criminal Investigative Division is continuing the probe.

The soldiers charged in the case are in pretrial confinement, the release said, while it is determined if enough evidence exists to proceed with courts-martial.
I expect no less from the military. This is as basic as it gets.

But it is good to see that the unit commander is doing his duty.
Myrmidonisia
19-06-2006, 22:21
Wait a second. What happened to the conspiracy of coverup, the orders from Cheney to massacre civilians with impunity...


http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/19/soldiers.charged/index.html

And what do you know? It's the 101st!
The other thing to consider is that this is pre-trial confinement, based on a charge by a commanding officer. There has been no investigation to cause this to be brought to trial. That is forthcoming. Even in the UCMJ, there is the basic presumption of innocence. But not on General, no sir. An accusation is as good as a verdict.
The SR
20-06-2006, 00:26
The other thing to consider is that this is pre-trial confinement, based on a charge by a commanding officer. There has been no investigation to cause this to be brought to trial. That is forthcoming. Even in the UCMJ, there is the basic presumption of innocence. But not on General, no sir. An accusation is as good as a verdict.


well you see, thats where the left go nananana. you were told by allowing gitmo into the US govts legitimate way of doing things there was a large can of worms getting opened and they were unlikely to stop there.

its how the US military decide to do justice and the right cant just start whining haebus corpus when it suits them
Deep Kimchi
20-06-2006, 00:28
No, he's doing his job properly, he probably wants to go home.
Ummm... if you do your job properly, you get to stay much longer, especially if you're an officer.
Myrmidonisia
20-06-2006, 00:49
well you see, thats where the left go nananana. you were told by allowing gitmo into the US govts legitimate way of doing things there was a large can of worms getting opened and they were unlikely to stop there.

its how the US military decide to do justice and the right cant just start whining haebus corpus when it suits them
I've got this feeling, just an unfounded suspicion, that this was an order from higher headquarters. Something like -- "We need to look better in the press on this civilian murder thing. Bring me a case to try." Or, "Captain, I need three scapegoats. Now!"

I am kind of surpised that the Marine Corps isn't the service that is rushing to prosecute. They usually eat their young like no one else.