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Who do you think was worse and why?


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Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69) 49,000,000 ("great leap forward" and "cultural revolution")
Jozef Stalin (USSR, 1934-39) 13,000,000 (the purges)
Adolf Hitler (Germany, 1939-1945) 12,000,000 (concentration camps and civilians WWII)
Hideki Tojo (Japan, 1941-44) 5,000,000 (civilians WWII)
Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000
Kim Il Sung (North Korea, 1948-94) 1.6 million (purges and concentration camps)
Menghistu (Ethiopia, 1975-78) 1,500,000
Ismail Enver (Turkey, 1915) 1,200,000 Armenians
Yakubu Gowon (Biafra, 1967-1970) 1,000,000
Leonid Brezhnev (Afghanistan, 1979-1982) 900,000
Jean Kambanda (Rwanda, 1994) 800,000
Suharto (East Timor, 1976-98) 600,000
Saddam Hussein (Iran 1980-1990 and Kurdistan 1987-88) 600,000
Yahya Khan (Pakistan, 1971) vs Bangladesh 500,000
Savimbi (Angola, 1975-2002) 400,000
Mullah Omar - Taliban (Afghanistan, 1986-2001) 400,000
Idi Amin (Uganda, 1969-1979) 300,000
Benito Mussolini (Ethiopia, 1936; Yugoslavia, WWII) 300,000
Mobutu Sese Seko (Zaire, 1965-97) ?
Charles Taylor (Liberia, 1989-1996) 220,000
Foday Sankoh (Sierra Leone, 1991-2000) 200,000
Slobodan Milosevic (Yugoslavia, 1992-96) 180,000
Michel Micombero (Burundi, 1972) 150,000
Hassan Turabi (Sudan, 1989-1999) 100,000
Jean-Bedel Bokassa (Centrafrica, 1966-79) ?
Richard Nixon (Vietnam, 1969-1974) 70,000 (vietnamese civilians)
Efrain Rios Montt (Guatemala, 1982-83) 70,000
Papa Doc Duvalier (Haiti, 1957-71) 60,000
Hissene Habre (Chad, 1982-1990) 40,000
Chiang Kai-shek (Taiwan, 1947) 30,000 (popular uprising)
Vladimir Ilich Lenin (USSR, 1917-20) 30,000 (dissidents executed)
Francisco Franco (Spain) 30,000 (dissidents executed after the civil war)
Lyndon Johnson (Vietnam, 1963-1968) 30,000
Hafez Al-Assad (Syria, 1980-2000) 25,000
Khomeini (Iran, 1979-89) 20,000
Guy Mollet (France, 1956-1957) 10,000 (war in Algeria)
Paul Koroma (Sierra Leone, 1997) 6,000
Osama Bin Laden (worldwide, 1993-2001) 3,500
Augusto Pinochet (Chile, 1973) 3,000
Al Zarqawi (Iraq, 2004-06) 2,000

Bob the Builder. Iron fisted oppressor of construction equipment everywhere.

David Caruso.

baby hitler

Rusty Wallace. I hate his annoying adds for his chevrolet dealership.

baby hitler

Baby Hitler?Thought fully fledged Hitler was a bit more anti-semitic personally.

Baby Hitler?Thought fully fledged Hitler was a bit more anti-semitic personally.


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bush for obvious reasons

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nah. Baby Hitler's no match for Baby Stalin...or Baby Mao...or even Baby Fidel Castro.

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LOL!!!

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Touche.

nah. Baby Hitler's no match for Baby Stalin...or Baby Mao...or even Baby Fidel Castro.


you never know baby hitler and baby ghengis kahn have been hangin out together lately. one formidable team.

The poll people...the poll.

you never know baby hitler and baby ghengis kahn have been hangin out together lately. one formidable team.
Baby Julius Caesar and Baby Napolean can take them on for sure.

Baby Julius Caesar and Baby Napolean can take them on for sure.


baby caesar is always defeated by baby brutus though, so in the end it would just be a 2 on 1

baby caesar is always defeated by baby brutus though, so in the end it would just be a 2 on 1
Fine, Baby Alexander and Baby Napolean.

You guys done spamming now? Please talk about my poll. :(

Though Stalin has a greater kill rate, I'm going to go with Hitler because he killed purely out of racism and hate, while Stalin just killed everyone who opposed him, could oppose him, might possibly think of opposing him and everyone who looked at him in a funny way.

Fascism still exists, and extremist right-wing nazi pigs do too. I wonder if that would be the case if Hitler had never existed.

For some reason Slobodan Milosevic has always pissed me off.

Though Stalin has a greater kill rate, I'm going to go with Hitler because he killed purely out of racism and hate, while Stalin just killed everyone who opposed him, could oppose him, might possibly think of opposing him and everyone who looked at him in a funny way.

Fascism still exists, and extremist right-wing nazi pigs do too. I wonder if that would be the case if Hitler had never existed.


White supremacists and Fascism yes, Nazi's no.


I personally like Stalin and Showa.

White supremacists and Fascism yes, Nazi's no.


I personally like Stalin and Showa.
Same thing if you ask me. Filthy fascist scum, bah. If you're going to hate people at least hate 'm for a good reason damnit.

Same thing if you ask me. Filthy fascist scum, bah. If you're going to hate people at least hate 'm for a good reason damnit.


In a way yes, but you don't need to be a white supremacist to be a Fascist....Don't you think you are being to hard on Fascists?

Though Stalin has a greater kill rate, I'm going to go with Hitler because he killed purely out of racism and hate, while Stalin just killed everyone who opposed him, could oppose him, might possibly think of opposing him and everyone who looked at him in a funny way.

Fascism still exists, and extremist right-wing nazi pigs do too. I wonder if that would be the case if Hitler had never existed.
Stalin did initiate the purges around the "Doctors' Plot" because his daughter was going out with a Jewish doctor he didn't like.
And lets not forget the mass deportations and persecutions of peoples in the USSR from their ethnic homelands during and after World War II.

Mao, cos he's fat

Mao, cos he's fat
Yes definitely and he killed as many people as everyone else on the poll combined.

Neither Hirohito nor Mao belong on this list.

Hirohito was a figurehead for the Japanese Diet and can not be held responsible for the atrocities of war time Nippon. He was only able to regain power after the Nuclear attack on Hiroshima and Nagasaki killed off manyof the most influential diet members.

And, under Mao, the quality of living in China increased massivley, before Maoist communism millions were starving, millions more were living in the streets and the whole country was worse off in general than Ethiopia. After Maoist Communism took hold, nobody starves, everybody has a home and money. Mao practically singlehandedly brought China out of the third world.

Where is the Tom Cruise option?

And, under Mao, the quality of living in China increased massivley, before Maoist communism millions were starving, millions more were living in the streets and the whole country was worse off in general than Ethiopia. After Maoist Communism took hold, nobody starves, everybody has a home and money. Mao practically singlehandedly brought China out of the third world.
I think you are a bit generous when you say "everybody."

Neither Hirohito nor Mao belong on this list.

Hirohito was a figurehead for the Japanese Diet and can not be held responsible for the atrocities of war time Nippon. He was only able to regain power after the Nuclear attack on Hiroshima and Nagasaki killed off manyof the most influential diet members.

And, under Mao, the quality of living in China increased massivley, before Maoist communism millions were starving, millions more were living in the streets and the whole country was worse off in general than Ethiopia. After Maoist Communism took hold, nobody starves, everybody has a home and money. Mao practically singlehandedly brought China out of the third world.


So Mao is exempt because of a higher standard of living of the survivors?
That reasoning pulls Hitler's feet out of the fire too I suppose.

no way did Mao kill more people than Hitler. True there was the whole Hundred flowers thing, but most of the deaths attributed to him are fromt he Great Leap Forward. And while Mao's decisions may have led to those deaths, He can be held no more responsible for them than can Kennedy for the Bay of Pigs. His underlings were lying to him, and were in turn being lied to by their underlings (classic communism that).

I won't say Mao wasn't a bad man, or evil in his own right, but he doesn't rank up there with Hitler or Stalin.

Mao, because he limited China's growth and nearly turned her into what the former Soviet Union is today, along with slaughtering tens of millions.

I thought Hitler killed 6 Million Jewish and 5 Million Others.
Where's this extra 1 Million I'm missing..?

I voted stalin, I really dont see what was so bad about hitler, if he'd just have left england alone, I would be prefecly happy for him to have won the war.

I always thought it was spelt Mao Tse-Tung.

Hitler

Mao. Then Stalin. Sorry, but I'm not a leftie, and I will not excuse their actions. They are worse than Hitler to me. Useless "Communist" fuck ups...

no way did Mao kill more people than Hitler. True there was the whole Hundred flowers thing, but most of the deaths attributed to him are fromt he Great Leap Forward. And while Mao's decisions may have led to those deaths, He can be held no more responsible for them than can Kennedy for the Bay of Pigs. His underlings were lying to him, and were in turn being lied to by their underlings (classic communism that).
You forgot the cultural revolution, he unleashed that.

Hirohito was a figurehead for the Japanese Diet and can not be held responsible for the atrocities of war time Nippon. He was only able to regain power after the Nuclear attack on Hiroshima and Nagasaki killed off manyof the most influential diet members.
Uh... ok... that's a new take on Japanese history. Sorry, but the Emperor Showa was not the powerless figurehead sold to the public by SCAP during the occupation. He didn't order what happened, but neither did he ever use his power (which he damn well had) to stop it or punish those who committed crimes in his name.

I agree he doesn't really belong on the list though.

Hitler for me. I find the cold calculated killing of an entire race to be more horrific than random and senseless slaughter.

You left off Julius Caesar. He killed over a million Celts. He also turned the Roman Republic into a dictatorship.

I voted stalin, I really dont see what was so bad about hitler, if he'd just have left england alone, I would be prefecly happy for him to have won the war.



Hitler killed millions of Jews trying to create a master race. Of course I don't regret Japan alliance with Hitler and I would have been happy if Japan won the war....or atleast invaded Hawaii.

You left off Julius Caesar. He killed over a million Celts. He also turned the Roman Republic into a dictatorship.


20th Century only. I think Mao was in the 20th century.

Hitler killed millions of Jews trying to create a master race. Of course I don't regret Japan alliance with Hitler and I would have been happy if Japan won the war....or atleast invaded Hawaii.
Japan had no hope of doing either. Japan also knew this BEFORE getting into a war with the US.

Japan had no hope of doing either. Japan also knew this BEFORE getting into a war with the US.


Japan could have invaded Hawaii and won after Pearl Harbor, The US had no forces left there to protect it.

Japan could have invaded Hawaii and won after Pearl Harbor, The US had no forces left there to protect it.
With what? The six carriers were at the extream edge of their range. They had no troop transports, no way to actually take the islands, and no way to actually secure said islands. They had air supperority at that time, but Enterprise and her air wings were on the way back to Pearl at the time and there was still a number of army bases with troops.

No, Japan couldn't have taken Hawai'i then.

Well taking into consideration that Adolf Hitler was one of the worlds greatest leaders. He did great things for Germany and the German people. Boosted their economy and industry far beyond what it was...


Yes awful things happened under his control, but by far, he wasnt the worst.
You cant just say "He killed lots of people, therefor he's bad"... the USA has been air-striking Iraq for going on 20 years now... Think how many people have died in a 20-year conflict?

Death toll dosent define how good or bad someone is

Death toll is part of it. What is worse is how the only reason Hitler didn't kill as many as Stalin or Mao is that Hitler got squashed by the combined might of the USA, the British Empire, and the Soviet Union. Stalin and Mao, on the other hand, only stopped when they died of natural causes. Had Hitler succeeded in conquering the world, he would have depopulated entire countries.

Death toll is part of it. What is worse is how the only reason Hitler didn't kill as many as Stalin or Mao is that Hitler got squashed by the combined might of the USA, the British Empire, and the Soviet Union. Stalin and Mao, on the other hand, only stopped when they died of natural causes. Had Hitler succeeded in conquering the world, he would have depopulated entire countries.

Stalin forced the people to work as hard as they could, and then some. He even forced people to work to their deaths if he wished. He like Hitler, had hatred developed from a troubling childhood. Hitler focused his anger towards Jews, Gays, and Gypsies, Stalin forced his on his opponents and at times, his own people. They killed tens of millions of people whose only crime was that they were living or were an "inferior race". How would you like it if your leader decided to kill people because he said so? They both rank pretty high on my list as very bad men.