NationStates Jolt Archive


Reforming the US Immigration System

NERVUN
19-06-2006, 12:21
During the raging immigration debates a few weeks back it was said over and over again that all the illegals needed to do was go through legal channels just as (insert immigrant relative of choice here) did.

However, I found that very few Americans actually knew what it takes to be coming to America nowadays.

THE IMMIGRATION DEBATE
Ordeal of entering U.S. legally
No plan in Congress will solve the complexities, experts say

When Alfonso Farfán fell in love with an old family friend in 2002, he set out to bring his sweetheart and her two children home with him.

But nothing has gone as planned. After waiting a year for a fiancee visa for her to move here from El Salvador, he learned the paperwork had been lost.

The new application was delayed two years because U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services kept using an old address for Farfán, married now to Elizabeth Farfán, although he had twice updated their records. And when the family's green cards arrived six weeks ago, one was missing.

"I wanted to scream," said Farfán, a paralegal at an Oakland immigrant assistance center, recalling the day he learned the U.S. CIS had lost the $1,500 application. "But you can't,'' said. "You just have to work harder, save more money and submit a new application."

Legally immigrating to this country can be a gut-wrenching, years-long ordeal. Administrative errors, protracted security checks -- which have lengthened markedly since the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks -- and bad information routinely cause heartache. Immigrants and immigration lawyers say applications sometimes go into a "black hole" from which no case updates emanate.

"What's going on in Congress right now is still an add-on to an essentially outdated and overly complex, throwback system ... written in the 1950s and amended in 1965," said former immigration agency chief Doris Meissner, who is now senior fellow at the Migration Policy Institute, a nonpartisan think tank in Washington, D.C. "The statutes are just hopelessly complicated and convoluted. ... It surely shouldn't have to be such an unpleasant and harrowing experience."

No plan under consideration will fundamentally overhaul the country's cobbled-together immigration law, which lawyers say rivals only the tax code in complexity.

Many legal immigrants have worried that immigration reforms proposed in Congress will allow some of the country's estimated 12 million illegal immigrants to skip this nerve-wracking process. But the bill the Senate passed last month could actually help the 3 million people currently in line for lawful permanent residence documents, or "green cards," to get them more easily. And those familiar with the bill say no illegal immigrant will get to cut into the line for a green card.

In addition to allowing several million undocumented immigrants to apply for temporary work visas and eventually permanent residence, the bill would make more green cards available overall.

But the proposal faces a tough battle in a forthcoming conference committee that will attempt to reconcile it with the immigration bill passed by the House in December. The House bill would criminalize illegal immigration and beef up immigration enforcement but makes no provision for new green cards.

Immigration advocates hope the additional green cards will, if the Senate bill becomes law, ease backlogs. The bill also could help the U.S.CIS improve its services because it will receive the new fines to be paid by undocumented immigrants adjusting to legal status. But it is not likely to address security bottlenecks or the lack of an integrated immigration computer system.

"It would be nice for them to get into the 20th century, let alone the 21st," said Crystal Williams, deputy director of the American Immigration Lawyers Association in Washington, D.C. "Everything is done by paper right now. We have the problem of paper being shifted back and forth around the country. Virtually nothing is done electronically."

The National Foundation for American Policy in Washington, D.C., reported last month that skilled workers must now wait more than five years for a green card and, in spite of recent progress, the backlogs are as long as they always have been for some categories of family-sponsored visas.

Filipino siblings of U.S. citizens still can expect to wait 22 years to immigrate. Adult children of U.S. citizens in Mexico will wait 13 years. And then there are the indignities:

-- Visitors to San Francisco's immigration office must pay nearby deli and copy shop workers $5 to hold their cell phones because they are forbidden in the building.

-- People seeking visas from abroad must pay $18 each time they schedule an appointment or check on their case.

-- People renewing temporary skilled-worker visas must return to their home countries, sometimes at a cost of thousands of dollars in airfare, to obtain the visa stamp in their passports that allows them to travel.

"It really is Kafkaesque," said Susan Bowyer, managing attorney at the International Institute of the East Bay. "All the power is in the immigration service's hands, because the burden is on the applicant to show by clear and convincing evidence that they're eligible."

Bowyer recalled the case of a Tongan woman who won the "diversity lottery," a program to admit 50,000 people a year from countries that don't produce many immigrants to the United States. She had to forgo her spot because she couldn't prove to she had completed high school after the small religious institution folded.

A Salvadoran woman who petitioned in 1992 to bring her brother and his family from El Salvador saw the case summarily closed after a 12-year wait, Bowyer said, because a government clerk thought a note on a document saying the man was already here on a visit meant the family no longer wanted to immigrate.

Williams, of the immigration lawyers association, estimated that major errors like this occur in up to 10 percent of cases. Occasionally, the errors affect large numbers of people, she said. U.S.CIS recently rescinded 10,000 fiancee visas after realizing it hadn't asked about the citizen petitioners' criminal histories.

Simple matters, like getting the immigration service to keep track of a changed address, fail more often, said San Francisco attorney Angela Moore, chair of the Northern California chapter of the immigration lawyers group. When mail is returned to the agency, applicants can miss hearings or have their green cards destroyed, which means paying $260 for a replacement.

"I would guess it's at least 20 to 30 percent of the time," said Moore. "It's not infrequent at all."

Strict formulas that limit the number of immigrants from any one country and the order of preference by which relatives can apply for reunification can cause decades-long delays. That and the lack of green cards or even temporary visas for low-skilled immigrants promote illegal migration, said Traci Hong, director of immigration programs, Asian American Justice Center in Washington, D.C.

But the Senate's plan to offer permanent residence to millions of undocumented immigrants strikes a raw nerve with many people who came here legally.

"Part of my frustration is to hear illegal immigrants called immigrants when I'm called an alien. I'm doing things right, but I'm still called an alien," said French-born Florence Ahlouche, who has spent nine years in the United States. "If I lose my job tomorrow, my reward is a ticket back home."

First an au pair, then a student and now working on an H1B visa as a contracts administrator for a Foster City biotech company, Ahlouche longs to put down roots here in the country where she came of age. She began the green card application two years ago and expects to wait two or three more years, but she's concerned that a legalization program would let the undocumented jump ahead of her in line.

Others see a glimmer of hope in offering legal status to illegal immigrants. Kondala Rao Palaka, an Indian citizen who has lived in the United States for 16 years as a student and then an H1B worker, just got his green card last month, after a four-year wait. But his wife is still waiting for hers.

"These are hardworking people, just looking for a better life," said Palaka, a Fremont resident. "And because of their efforts, their demonstrations and lobbying, if Congress decides to allow them into the line, that will help people who are already waiting. It will mean they have to keep the line moving."

Immigration experts say that's precisely what would happen if the Senate bill becomes law. The increase in green cards is expected to eliminate all backlogs within six years, and everyone who has a pending application would be taken care of before any undocumented immigrant gets a green card.

But some immigration observers say making life easier for would-be immigrants should not be the government's first priority. Yeh Ling Ling, director of the Oakland-based Diversity Alliance for a Sustainable America and herself an immigrant from Vietnam, believes the United States lacks the resources to absorb more immigrants. She opposes the Senate bill, both for its expansion of legal immigration and for its offer of legal residence to illegal immigrants.

"If the Senate amnesty bill becomes law, we can expect 12 million illegal aliens to apply and, once naturalized, they can bring in their family members, spouses and children," said Yeh. "You cannot invite people to your house for dinner if some of your kids are starving."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/06/19/IMMIG.TMP

Not reopening the can of worms that is illegal immigration, the question I put to you all is how should the current system be reformed, or even if it should be. If America still is the golden door that asks for the world's tired, poor and huddled masses, how can we get them (legally) into the country without making them wait 22 years?
Philosopy
19-06-2006, 12:25
I remember reading a similar story about an American trying to get his English wife of several years back to the States with him. He spent about a year in a loophole with them demanding a form he didn't have, and could only get by returning another form, which could he could only get by...returning the first form.
Crimson Vaal
19-06-2006, 12:28
New TV Show: "Who wants to be an Immigrant?"

Set up some land mines, snipers, tanks, infrared heat sensors, motion detectors, a ten foot concrete wall, machine guns nests, cruise missiles, deadfalls, spike barricades, and everyone's favourite -- the stunningly convienient hanging piano!

You get the picture.
NERVUN
19-06-2006, 12:31
New TV Show: "Who wants to be an Immigrant?"

Set up some land mines, snipers, tanks, infrared heat sensors, motion detectors, a ten foot concrete wall, machine guns nests, cruise missiles, deadfalls, spike barricades, and everyone's favourite -- the stunningly convienient hanging piano!

You get the picture.
Thank you, no. I have no wish to see my wife killed.
Teh_pantless_hero
19-06-2006, 12:33
New TV Show: "Who wants to be an Immigrant?"

Set up some land mines, snipers, tanks, infrared heat sensors, motion detectors, a ten foot concrete wall, machine guns nests, cruise missiles, deadfalls, spike barricades, and everyone's favourite -- the stunningly convienient hanging piano!

You get the picture.
Hurray for ignorance!
Cameroi
19-06-2006, 12:35
i would like to see an international law with the teeth to inforce it that would prohibit any nation from closing its borders to any unarmed civilian wishing to cross them in any derection at any place for any reason at any time.

if the iron fist of the global corporatocracy weren't making conditions either hopeless or downright dangerous where people are coming to developed countries to get away from, well i can't immagine any other reason anyone who really knew what it is like here, would ever WANT to come to america.

what should be done with current immigration law?

scrap it entirely and stop trying to seal our borders the way the u.s. used to condem russia for doing back when it was the u.s.s.r.

=^^=
.../\...
Crimson Vaal
19-06-2006, 12:38
Thank you, no. I have no wish to see my wife killed.

It is called a "sarcasm-induced joke", this "joke" is not designed in any seriousness, no matter how "ignorant" it may seem. There is a phrase, "Learn to take a joke".


Joke: n,
1, Something said or done to evoke laughter or amusement, especially an amusing story with a punch line.
2, A mischievous trick; a prank.
3, An amusing or ludicrous incident or situation.
The Infinite Dunes
19-06-2006, 12:45
Hurray for ignorance!Hooray for copying an NS issue?
NERVUN
19-06-2006, 12:55
It is called a "sarcasm-induced joke", this "joke" is not designed in any seriousness, no matter how "ignorant" it may seem. There is a phrase, "Learn to take a joke".
Learn to mark text as such or face having your posts viewed in all seriousness as it wouldn't be the first time someone meant every single word written like that.
The Infinite Dunes
19-06-2006, 12:56
i would like to see an international law with the teeth to inforce it that would prohibit any nation from closing its borders to any unarmed civilian wishing to cross them in any derection at any place for any reason at any time.

if the iron fist of the global corporatocracy weren't making conditions either hopeless or downright dangerous where people are coming to developed countries to get away from, well i can't immagine any other reason anyone who really knew what it is like here, would ever WANT to come to america.

what should be done with current immigration law?

scrap it entirely and stop trying to seal our borders the way the u.s. used to condem russia for doing back when it was the u.s.s.r.

=^^=
.../\...You mean like freedom of movement, residence and work that you have within the EU and used to have within the USSR? I'm not sure what you mean.

For some reason the masses tend not to like freedom of movement. It goes something along the lines that if we allow freedom of movement then we will be crushed by an onslaught of johnny foreigners who will systematically distroy our culture. Or something like that. Xenophobic idiots.

In my opinion freedom of movement of capital should not be allowed without freedom of movement of people. Such practice as we currently have now grossly distorts the markets, and we get economists praising any free market policy of any strength on basis that if we make the economy unattractive to businesses they will pack up their bags. Hence, they think that we should make the economy unattractive to workers, because the poor bastards can't get out of the country and into another.
BogMarsh
19-06-2006, 12:57
i would like to see an international law with the teeth to inforce it that would prohibit any nation from closing its borders to any unarmed civilian wishing to cross them in any derection at any place for any reason at any time.

if the iron fist of the global corporatocracy weren't making conditions either hopeless or downright dangerous where people are coming to developed countries to get away from, well i can't immagine any other reason anyone who really knew what it is like here, would ever WANT to come to america.

what should be done with current immigration law?

scrap it entirely and stop trying to seal our borders the way the u.s. used to condem russia for doing back when it was the u.s.s.r.

=^^=
.../\...

BS.
Start treating entering a Nation without a proper invite as a very serious offense indeed.
You are free to get out, but you ain't free to enter.
The Nazz
19-06-2006, 13:27
During the raging immigration debates a few weeks back it was said over and over again that all the illegals needed to do was go through legal channels just as (insert immigrant relative of choice here) did.

However, I found that very few Americans actually knew what it takes to be coming to America nowadays.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/06/19/IMMIG.TMP

Not reopening the can of worms that is illegal immigration, the question I put to you all is how should the current system be reformed, or even if it should be. If America still is the golden door that asks for the world's tired, poor and huddled masses, how can we get them (legally) into the country without making them wait 22 years?
I don't think there's a simple answer to this issue. The biggest part of the problem is that the system is irretrievably broken and needs to be tossed, and no political plan offered out there is addressing that part of the issue. It's all about trying to bandage the current system.

One way to handle it might be to figure out how long it would take to set up a modern, computerized system of legal immigration that would allow for tracking immigrants once they're in the US and determining when they've overstayed their visas, etc (since nearly half of illegal immigrants are of that class), and once you've figured that out, suspend all immigration until that program is in place. Those who are here and in the current system, legal or not, are allowed to stay and are put on a fast track to citizenship. Everyone--no exceptions--and we put together a task force to get them pushed through in the same period that the system is being rebuilt. During that time, no work visas, no H-1B visas, no migrant workers, nothing--we shut the system down.

Then, once the system is up and ready to run, we start traditional immigration again, complete with massive fines and jail time for CEOs of companies who knowingly hire illegals. That plan has massive problems, and I can see them myself, but it's all I've got right now.