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Can somebody tell me what Zeig Heil means? I know a lot about world war 2 but I never did figure out what that meant.

Idk, something Nazi.
its Seig

Idk, something Nazi.
its Seig


It is nazi, and it is Zeig. I know that much and that it is german.

Babel Fish says its "Show Welfare" :confused:

Babel Fish says its "Show Welfare" :confused:


I tried that to..Babel Fish isn't trustworthy. I was hoping somebody here spoke german or knew.

Sieg Hail= hail victory, IIRC

All you guys learn to spell.
It is Sieg Heil

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sieg_Heil

All done.

Sieg Hail= hail victory, IIRC


Thanks.

Thanks.


Anytime, friend.

Sieg Hail= hail victory, IIRC
Hail Victory, Show Welfare, same differnece.

All you guys learn to spell.
It is Sieg Heil



Chill dude. Believe it or not Zeig is also used.

Zieg Heil to the president gasman
Bombs away is your punishment
Pulverize the Eiffel towers
Who criticize your government
Bang bang goes the broken glass and
Kill all the fags that don't agree
Trials by fire, setting fire
Is not a way that's meant for me
Just cause, just cause, because we're outlaws yeah!


http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/greenday/holiday.html


Believe it or not I have never seen it spelled with an S, just a Z.

Chill dude. Believe it or not Zeig is also used.



http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/greenday/holiday.html


Believe it or not I have never seen it spelled with an S, just a Z.

Becasue Green Day and WWII-Era Nazis are the exact same thing!

Pretty sure it was spelled with an "S" in the good old days where Europe was getting torn up by German tanks and Japan was getting glassed.

Chill dude. Believe it or not Zeig is also used.
[url]http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/greenday/holiday.html
Believe it or not I have never seen it spelled with an S, just a Z.
All it shows is Green Day don't know how to spell it. (and probably don't know any German)

Tt is an S. It is definatly Seig Heil. Greenday just doesn't know how to spell german words.

If any one tells you any different, they are wrong.

All it shows is Green Day don't know how to spell it. (and probably don't know any German)


Or it could mean it is spelled different in English than in German? That happens but I am not sure it would with German. Who cares? Its just a silly phrase, I just wanted to know what it meant and spelled the way I have seen it spelled for years. No big deal really.

Or it could mean it is spelled different in English than in German?Well, "Sieg/Zieg" doesn't really exist in English. Not to the extent that "bungalow" does, after being taken from Bengal.

What it would be is similar to if is we wrote Volkswagen as "Folksvagen", in the English-speaking world. (Aside from the fact that this word doesn't "Exist" in English, either it's just a corporate name, which affords its own 'protections' to original spelling. Aside-aside from the fact that such as Hoover has become an English word in its own right. Aside-aside-aside from the fact that there are too many caveats in English to keep on asiding... ;))

No big deal really.You are right, of course.

It'd probably have been written down in "Boy's Own"-style novels as "Zieg" (or even "Zeig"?) alongside other typical Germanic spelling as "Vee haff vays off making you tock!" and "Fur you, Tommy, de vor ist ofer!"... Isn't national (and historical) stereotyping attractively accurate? ;)

Can somebody tell me what Zeig Heil means? I know a lot about world war 2 but I never did figure out what that meant."Show well-being" is pretty close. It's another instance of our non-German neo-nazi community screwing their German up.

It is definatly Seig Heil.No, it definitely isn't :D

All it shows is Green Day don't know how to spell it. (and probably don't know any German)
I blame George Bush!:rolleyes:

I find this amusing.
But I'll settle it nonetheless. Forgive me Laerod.

"Sieg Heil" is the proper spelling.

It is "ie" (being pronounced like a long e-sound in English), not "ei" (which would be pronounced a little bit like "I" in English).

'Z' in German is pronounced as a sharp "ts" type sound. "S" is a softer sound, pretty much like "Z" in English. And then there is still "ß", but that'll stay our secret conspiracy.

"Zeigen" is a word, meaning the verb "to show", not the noun "show".

As for the "Heil", there are basically two theories here. The first is that it just means "hail". The second is that it actually is wishing health and success ("heilen" meaning "to heal" and "heil" being "healthy", "intact" or "in one piece"). Both make sense IMHO.

Not that the phrase "Sieg Heil" really does make grammatical sense, at least not in the modern language. But then, it was not the content that was important, but the act of saying it.

Don't rely on Green Day for learning German. In fact, don't listen to Green Day full stop.

And English people should quit using German words to describe Nazi concepts. In the vast majority of cases the words actually do have English equivalents - the problem is just that when you start using those, Nazi speeches and policies stop sounding so foreign and hit surprisingly close to home.....

It's not Zeig Heil, Seig Heil, Sieg Hail, and it's not spelled differently in English than in German because it's a German quote.

Zeig is the imperative of the verb 'zeigen' which means 'to show'. Sieg is the imperative of the verb 'siegen' which means 'to win' or 'to gain victory'. As they're pronounced completely differently (in a pseudo-English transcription, you'd pronounce it something like 'tsay-gun' resp. 'zee-gun') the confusion is completely in the minds of people who don't have a clue about german. Which you'd expect from a neo-nazi anyway. ;)

I see Neu Leonstein's beat me to it. Oh well.

Forgive me Laerod.Not for this:
In fact, don't listen to Green Day full stop.
But you mustn't correct the Nazis too often. It takes the fun out of laughing at their spelling and grammar mistakes if they start getting them right...:(

Well, not to derail the thread to talk about green day, but unless you're oblivious, you should know that they used the phrase to parody the conservative Republican Party of the United States, likening it to the Nazi party...not to support nazi ideas.

its called satire, children.

It's definitely not "Zeig" or "Zieg." German is very precise.

its called satire, children.
Hm, I wonder what that makes me (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammar_nazi)? ;)

(I don't think anyone thought Green Day was a bunch of neo-nazis btw).

It's definitely not "Zeig" or "Zieg." German is very precise.Only since 1901...

Ach Himmel!
Ze Britischen uses ze Bayonet!

Ach Himmel!
Ze Britischen uses ze Bayonet!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssd3206A8tg&search=nazi
:D

You'll enjoy it.

Neu Leonstein did you actually explain the meaning of Sieg?
I saw that Pergamor did...

Does "ß" have a soft Z sound or a d sound in it?
I've always tried to imagine it.
SInce i was a 'wee un' i've always taken Sieg Heil

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssd3206A8tg&search=nazi
You'll enjoy it.:D
As a Presbytarian i will never enjoy anything.;)
Also i have dialup and that is going to take forever to load.:p

SInce i was a 'wee un' i've always taken Sieg HeilFunny thing is, if you capitalize the "heil", it means something different again... :D

Neu Leonstein did you actually explain the meaning of Sieg?
No. But everyone else did. It just means "victory".

Does "ß" have a soft Z sound or a d sound in it?
As I said, it's part of our conspiracy. One day, when you least expect it...ß!

And that'll be that.

Funny thing is, if you capitalize the "heil", it means something different again... :D
Sorry i am pretty sure what i said didn't make sense.

I meant to say...
"Since i was a 'wee un' i've always taken Sieg Heil to mean Hail Victory."
i was proud of the fact i was apparently right.^_^

Neu Leonstein did you actually explain the meaning of Sieg?
No. But everyone else did. It just means "victory".
Does "ß" have a soft Z sound or a d sound in it?
As I said, it's part of our conspiracy. One day, when you least expect it...ß!

And that'll be that.
Damn you!
How the bloody hell is Großdeutschland pronounced!:gundge:

what does it mean? It means you get a good kicking if you shout it in my neck of the woods.

Damn you!
How the bloody hell is Großdeutschland pronounced!:gundge:

Doesn't the "ß" sound like "ss"?

When you're in Germany: go to a random German and tell him
'Zu haben etwas verloren'
German: 'Was?'
you: 'Den krieg!'
:D

Doesn't the "ß" sound like "ss"?
Perhaps i just did some looking and it seems to sound like the s in snake kind of c'ish.
ssssssssssss
thanks whoever you are.

"Since i was a 'wee un' i've always taken Sieg Heil to mean Hail Victory."
i was proud of the fact i was apparently right.^_^Well, no, you see "Sieg Heil" means "hail well-being" or something in that direction. ;)
When you're in Germany: go to a random German and tell him
'Zu haben etwas verloren'
German: 'Was?'
you: 'Den krieg!'Make sure to learn the proper spelling or pronounciation of that first sentence...

When you're in Germany: go to a random German and tell him
'Zu haben etwas verloren'
German: 'Was?'
you: 'Den krieg!'
:D
'Something' have 'something' Forlorn
What?
'Something' War!

How about
Du Habe ich liche von Laerod.
I know what i am trying to say.:p

Well, no, you see "Sieg Heil" means "hail well-being" or something in that direction. ;)
Make sure to learn the proper spelling or pronounciation of that first sentence...
Damn you!
Sieg heil.

Does "ß" have a soft Z sound or a d sound in it?
No, it's simply a ligature (i.e. two letters written as a single character). It has no pronunciation of its own. It's used for 'ss' or (I think historically) for 'sz'. It usually sounds just like s. The typing rule is, if you don't have the ß character on you keyboard, you just use 'ss' (similarly you can type ä as 'ae', or ü as 'ue').

Funny thing is, if you capitalize the "heil", it means something different again... :D
How so? German nouns are always capitalised. Even mid-sentence.

How the bloody hell is Großdeutschland pronounced!
If you're an English native speaker and you want to pronounce Großdeutschland, I think the ß is the least of your worries. ;)

Perhaps i just did some looking and it seems to sound like the s in snake kind of c'ish.
ssssssssssss
thanks whoever you are.

Can't you just say "thanks"?

Not make it totally obvious you have no idea who I am :(

Well, no, you see "Sieg Heil" means "hail well-being" or something in that direction. ;)

I'm pretty sure it also means "Hail victory." According to Wikipedia, that's what it means. It seems more likely, since it was made by the Nazis.

If you're an English native speaker and you want to pronounce Großdeutschland, I think the ß is the least of your worries. ;)

The whole word is pretty easy :)

How so? German nouns are always capitalised. Even mid-sentence.Ah, no, my mistake. I was convinced that it meant "Hail Victory", but as it turns out, "Sieg Heil" is just lazy version of "Heil und Sieg", which means that it isn't really "Hail Victory" but "Victory Well-being" from "Well-being and Victory"...

Can't you just say "thanks"?

Not make it totally obvious you have no idea who I am :(
:p
No hint hint curious

:p
No hint hint curious

Aww :(What do you want to know?

No, it's simply a ligature (i.e. two letters written as a single character). It has no pronunciation of its own. It's used for 'ss' or (I think historically) for 'sz'. It usually sounds just like s. The typing rule is, if you don't have the ß character on you keyboard, you just use 'ss' (similarly you can type ä as 'ae', or ü as 'ue').
Like s in snake?
How so? German nouns are always capitalised. Even mid-sentence.
Perhaps
If you're an English native speaker and you want to pronounce Großdeutschland, I think the ß is the least of your worries. ;)
Meh i'll manage to blurt it out.

Aww :(What do you want to know?
Sowwy:eek: What is there to know?

Sowwy:eek: What is there to know?

:fluffle: ?There's the general info; Fluffle Queen and The Australian Goddess LOL

:fluffle: ?There's the general info; Fluffle Queen and The Australian Goddess LOL
:fluffle: Fluffle Queen aye? and also an Ocker!

:fluffle: Fluffle Queen aye? and also an Ocker!

:fluffle: Yes, except on the second count: I don't ock :P

:fluffle: Yes, except on the second count: I don't ock :P
:fluffle: You folk have claimed that for many years but i ain't convinced.:P

Laerod or Neu Leonstein...
Wasn't there a 15th Panzer Division and a 1st SS Division?
'cause i can't see them on the "German World War II divisions" on the Wiki and Wiki is always meant to be right.:rolleyes:

:fluffle: You folk have claimed that for many years but i ain't convinced.:P

:DWell, I knoe people who ock, but I'm just not one of them :P

:DWell, I knoe people who ock, but I'm just not one of them :P
:cool: If you don't Ock what do you do?; )

:cool: If you don't Ock what do you do?; )

:p I speak normally... Not like you :fush and chops anyone? :P

:p I speak normally... Not like you :fush and chops anyone? :P
:( Oz and normal don't equate... Sorry are you asking for Feesh end Cheeps?:P

Ah, no, my mistake. I was convinced that it meant "Hail Victory", but as it turns out, "Sieg Heil" is just lazy version of "Heil und Sieg", which means that it isn't really "Hail Victory" but "Victory Well-being" from "Well-being and Victory"...
German wiki, huh? Just been there myself ;)

How the bloody hell is Großdeutschland pronounced!
"Groß" like gross (the "yuck" one) only that you double the length of the "o" and use the "snake" "s" in the end.

"deutsch" with an "oy" sound in the middle, the "tsch" like the beginning of "Czech" (for lack of another sound, lazy thinker right now).

"land" just like you'd say "lung" (organ) only ending the word on "d".

Laerod or Neu Leonstein...
Wasn't there a 15th Panzer Division and a 1st SS Division?
'cause i can't see them on the "German World War II divisions" on the Wiki and Wiki is always meant to be right.:rolleyes:
Hope you don't mind me answering that one.

There was a 15th Panzer-Division, established November 1st 1940 out of the 33rd Infantry-Division, sent to Africa April 1941 where it remained until it was disbanded after capitulation in 1943 in Tunesia.
It was reinstituted as the 15th Panzergrenadier-Division July 1943.

There wasn't a 1st SS Division per se. The 1st SS Panzer-Division "Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler" was instituted on October 22nd 1943 out of the SS-Panzergrenadier-Division "Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler" (which had been with the 15th Army as the SS-Brigade "Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler")

For some reason Wiki doesn't have those, but http://www.lexikonderwehrmacht.de has them listed.

So now you know how to blurt "Großdeutschland" correctly and that there were those troops you were looking for! :D

German wiki, huh? Just been there myself ;)


"Groß" like gross (the "yuck" one) only that you double the length of the "o" and use the "snake" "s" in the end.

"deutsch" with an "oy" sound in the middle, the "tsch" like the beginning of "Czech" (for lack of another sound, lazy thinker right now).

"land" just like you'd say "lung" (organ) only ending the word on "d".

Just so you know :D
Exactly what i was thinking!
Well not the Czech bit, i was thinking like shuook... Doy-shuook
Hope you don't mind me answering that one.

There was a 15th Panzer-Division, established November 1st 1940 out of the 33rd Infantry Division, sent to Africa April 1941 where it remained until it was disbanded after capitulation in 1943 in Tunesia.
It was reinstituted as the 15th Panzer-Grenadier-Division July 1943.

There wasn't a 1st SS Division per se. The 1st SS Panzer-Division "Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler" was instituted on October 22nd 1943 out of the SS-Panzergrenadier-Division "Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler" (which had been with the 15th Army as the SS-Brigade "Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler")

For some reason Wiki doesn't have those, but http://www.lexikonderwehrmacht.de has them listed.

So now you know! :D
On the wiki i saw a 33rd Infantry
It also 'lied' as far as the 21st Division the 21st was formerly the 5th Light from what i've read.
And it mentioned the Americans Capturing the 90th Light in Italy at the end of the war but who 'bagged' them in Africa?:D
Don't per se me...
1st SS was originally a bodyguard then a Regiment then a Division....

Thank you.

Don't per se me...

Thank you.
Oh! :eek: And I thought I was such a nice phrasing. :(

You're welcome! :p

Oh! :eek: And I thought I was such a nice phrasing. :(

You're welcome! :p
I'll considerate it a Division because if i didn't i couldn't count PanzerLehr either and to be honest all your Divisions i'd regard as understrength anyways so Germany had 0 Divisions but 290+ Brigade Groups.:p

I am sorry.

Tt is an S. It is definatly Seig Heil. Greenday just doesn't know how to spell german words.

If any one tells you any different, they are wrong.
Sieg Heil. The Germans are more consistent with their spelling rules, "ei" make an "Ii" sound and "ie" makes an "Ee"

One more thought on the whole matter.
The nazi-greetings (outstretched arm, as well as Heil Hitler or Sieg Heil) are a criminal offense in Germany (and Austria, IIRC) - so some advice on those of you who might just visit our country: Don't do it! (Besides the chance to be treated as a nazi and being dealt with accordingly http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/knife.gif you could get into big trouble indeed.) :D

One more thought on the whole matter.
The nazi-greetings (outstretched arm, as well as Heil Hitler or Sieg Heil) are a criminal offense in Germany (and Austria, IIRC) - so some advice on those of you who might just visit our country: Don't do it! (Besides the chance to be treated as a nazi and being dealt with accordingly http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/knife.gif you could get into big trouble indeed.) :D
i read a newspaper article and intend to post it here.
Yes i can read.OMG i am doing it now:rolleyes:

It said Honouring or glorifying over here we do it a fair bit but are just goofing around.
Some 18 YO chick got busted for it last year or early this year.