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Are you a Leftist, A Rightist or A Centrist?:cool:

ooc: This belongs in General, not Nationstates.

So what'S the Problem?

I'm an Anarcho-Techno-Lafarguian-Enviro-Skeptic. This wasn't a poll option :(

Your poll makes little to no sense...

I <3 Pigeonholes!

Left-Centrist. Social Liberal.

Left Centrist, though my views on freedom are decisively Marxist.

I <3 Pigeonholes!
I hate Pigeonholes. But something tells me you were being sarcastic.

There's no anarcho-syndicalist option.

Not that this wasn't completely fucked up otherwise also...

Right libertarian. Welfare must die.

i'm pornofantastic!

I demand a better poll!

Furthermore I pigeonhole myself as 'Anarcho-Communist', make of that what you will. Bwahahaa!

this poll has a strange set of options that leave out a huge proportion of the political spectrum. you have right libertarian but where's the left libertarian for one. i'm aware that libertarian may have different connotations in the popular discouse of the us than in the rest of the world but it's not just extreme free marketeers that follow a libertarian philosophy. i'll vote communist cuz that's closest but i wonder if you really realise what communist is?

I demand a better poll!

Furthermore I pigeonhole myself as 'Anarcho-Communist', make of that what you will. Bwahahaa!
ooh i used to pidgeonhole myself as that too :) *psst.... you might be interested in our party (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8861179#post8861179)come the next NSGeneral election...*

nowadays i'll just say socialist cos i'm currently re-evaluating my beliefs in light of a couple of books i just read...

Right libertarian. Welfare must die.
why exactly?

why exactly?

Because the poor typically have small boobs.

Welfare, as it always has, must change and adapt... not die. If it dies we revert back to the post industrial revolution era... poor people rotting in piles on the streets.

Welfare, as it always has, must change and adapt... not die. If it dies we revert back to the post industrial revolution era... poor people rotting in piles on the streets.

True, any country that'll let its people be uneducated and starve to death won't have a good workforce or a good economy.

True, any country that'll let its people be undeducated and starve to death won't have a good workforce or a good economy.

Victorian England seemed to work. :p

Depends on the topic.

Green at home, Federalist in Europe, and HAWK East of Suez.

Why is there no Ultra-liberal Left?

Welfare, as it always has, must change and adapt... not die. If it dies we revert back to the post industrial revolution era... poor people rotting in piles on the streets.

great-I just love the 1834 poor law.Your a criminal for being poor.Even tho there are no jobs its your fault that your poor.I know lets stick the poor in the workhouse even if theyre 70.
I guess im a leftie,benefits can be good(but some people are too lazy to work)I love the NHS(even though its a bit of a mess)

Because the poor typically have small boobs.
That made me laugh for five minutes straight. Thank you, man.

I'm extremely socially libertarian and favour a gift economy. But it wouldn't work. But I'm still behind it.:p

I'm a fairly extreme leftist (Anarcho-communist) and believe in civil rights.

Why is there no Ultra-liberal Left?
Because the OP has little knowledge of politics.

Where is my leftist libertarian option? :P

I'm not left, right, or center. Leftists favor social freedom but oppose economic freedom. Rightists oppose social freedom but favor economic freedom. Centrists favor a medium amount of social freedom and a medium amount of economic freedom. Only libertarians favor maximum freedom in all areas. Libertarianism FTW!

I'm not left, right, or center. Leftists favor social freedom but oppose economic freedom. Rightists oppose social freedom but favor economic freedom. Centrists favor a medium amount of social freedom and a medium amount of economic freedom. Only libertarians favor maximum freedom in all areas. Libertarianism FTW!
Social freedoms aren't really linked to any political 'side', but social freedom is more prevalent on the left in general.

were is the anti "ism"option

Social freedoms aren't really linked to any political 'side', but social freedom is more prevalent on the left in general.

I'd say its linked to a side. How else could people call the BNP far right when really their economic policies are centralist pushing left.

were is the anti "ism"option

pragmatism is still an ism ;)

i'm a man

Because the OP has little knowledge of politics.

Ah, now I understand.

Where is my leftist libertarian option? :P

Same place mine is.

I'm not left, right, or center. Leftists favor social freedom but oppose economic freedom. Rightists oppose social freedom but favor economic freedom. Centrists favor a medium amount of social freedom and a medium amount of economic freedom. Only libertarians favor maximum freedom in all areas. Libertarianism FTW!
That's a different, and IMO wrong idea of economic freedom. The right-wing definition of economic freedom would have you believe that having nothing can be consistent with freedom. People struggle to fulfil their basic needs first before they excercise any real freedom. Only if the right to food, water, fuel and shelter is guaranteed for all can there be freedom in any meaningful sense. And I do think that such a system can work within capitalism.

That's a different, and IMO wrong idea of economic freedom. The right-wing definition of economic freedom would have you believe that having nothing can be consistent with freedom. People struggle to fulfil their basic needs first before they excercise any real freedom. Only if the right to food, water, fuel and shelter is guaranteed for all can there be freedom in any meaningful sense. And I do think that such a system can work within capitalism.Yups. Anarchists are the only ones that value maximum social & economic freedom. Anarchists FTW! (No, I don't mean Fuck The World).

Man, I can't believe this is the first time anyone thought to do a thread like this.

It'd be nice to see the correlation between parental incomes and political stance.

It always amuses me that the yanks think their tax money is spent on welfare yet they never seem to mind the billions upon billions wasted on their pointless military.

Are you a Leftist, A Rightist or A Centrist?:cool:
In really love the Ethnic mix you gave to your name.:fluffle:

It'd be nice to see the correlation between parental incomes and political stance.

It always amuses me that the yanks think their tax money is spent on welfare yet they never seem to mind the billions upon billions wasted on their pointless military.
1.12 trillion US actually.;)

Lefty.

Socialist.

Well, Socialist owns so far! :)

Well, Socialist owns so far! :)

And to think, most of the people here are American.

Socialism. I love people (theoretically).

I would consider myself a Centerist.

I am to the Left on some issues and to the Right on others, but not as far as others and not as passionate as many.

I believe in the good for all but also believe on a strong military defense and law and order.

I'm not left, right, or center. Leftists favor social freedom but oppose economic freedom. Rightists oppose social freedom but favor economic freedom. Centrists favor a medium amount of social freedom and a medium amount of economic freedom. Only libertarians favor maximum freedom in all areas. Libertarianism FTW!

THANK YOU. Can't believe it took two pages before someone pointed that out. Labeling any true libertarian as a "lefty" or "righty" is not a good idea. :upyours: That's like the easiest way to offend us 'anarcho-capitalists.' :p Max freedom baby. Life, liberty and property.

Many people dispute the following diagram, but this is at least the way most libertarians see the political spectrum. It's two-dimensional as opposed to one.

http://www.self-gov.org/gif/wspq.gif

Think about it. Most people would label Hitler as right-wing and Stalin as left-wing. But were they all that different? Both favored state control over every aspect of your life - economic and social.

THANK YOU. Can't believe it took two pages before someone pointed that out. Labeling any true libertarian as a "lefty" or "righty" is not a good idea. :upyours: That's like the easiest way to offend us 'anarcho-capitalists.' :p Max freedom baby. Life, liberty and property.

Many people dispute the following diagram, but this is at least the way most libertarians see the political spectrum. It's two-dimensional as opposed to one.

http://www.self-gov.org/gif/wspq.gif

Think about it. Most people would label Hitler as right-wing and Stalin as left-wing. But were they all that different? Both favored state control over every aspect of your life - economic and social.And then there's the ones who believe capitalism is inherently flawed, because it massively favours the wealthy. Those are the people who realises that true social & economic freedom cannot be achieved with a system that works on favoratism.

Unlike the egocentric Libertarians, who really only want social & economic freedom for themselves, Anarchists want that freedom for all individuals.

But nice propaganda mate. I'm guessing you neglect to tell the working class parents what your idea of freedom will mean for their kids' education.

And then there's the ones who believe capitalism is inherently flawed, because it massively favours the wealthy. Those are the people who realises that true social & economic freedom cannot be achieved with a system that works on favoratism.

Unlike the egocentric Libertarians, who really only want social & economic freedom for themselves, Anarchists want that freedom for all individuals.

But nice propaganda mate. I'm guessing you neglect to tell the working class parents what your idea of freedom will mean for their kids' education.

I was just explaining what libertarianism is. Who said anything about propaganda. Prove to me how capitalism favors the wealthy. And if you want to help the so called "working class," would you use the state to do it? That wouldn't bode to well with your fellow "anarchists" would it. Or do you like the state more than you think?

I was just explaining what libertarianism is. Who said anything about propaganda. Prove to me how capitalism favors the wealthy. And if you want to help the so called "working class," would you use the state to do it? That wouldn't bode to well with your fellow "anarchists" would it. Or do you like the state more than you think?
In the end-stages of anarchism, money is abolished and poverty disappears.
You could've answered your own question by one simple wikipedia search.

In the end-stages of anarchism, money is abolished and poverty disappears.
You could've answered your own question by one simple wikipedia search.

Oh and the Wikipedia entry for libertarianism conveniently has no merit here because it touts capitalism as the best solution to poverty.

Anarchy would be nice if there were no such things as "scarce resources." But thanks to Adam and Eve or Pandora or the Earth itself, someone or something saw to it that we do not have enough spoils for each person to live happily without wanting to steal from others.

Just to respond to an earlier post from Francis Street that I hadn't seen:

That's a different, and IMO wrong idea of economic freedom. The right-wing definition of economic freedom would have you believe that having nothing can be consistent with freedom. People struggle to fulfil their basic needs first before they excercise any real freedom. Only if the right to food, water, fuel and shelter is guaranteed for all can there be freedom in any meaningful sense. And I do think that such a system can work within capitalism.

While I agree that such things can work within capitalism (in fact they already are in some countries), I dispute that what you're describing is freedom. It sounds more like happiness. Sure, many people must have food, water, fuel and shelter for happiness. But others don't and may even choose to forego material possessions. Think of buddhist monks or yogis. Many of them live simply on the donations of others, yet, because people have different needs and wants, they can be happier than you and I are. So having nothing need not be inconsistent with being free.