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George Carlin that is.

YES, I'M A BAD AMERICAN

by: George Carlin

I Am Your Worst Nightmare. I am a BAD American. I am George Carlin.

I believe the money I make belongs to me and my family, not some mid level governmental functionary be it Democratic or Republican!

I'm in touch with my feelings and I like it that way!

I think owning a gun doesn't make you a killer, it makes you a smart American.

I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized, and does not entitle you to anything.

I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, try to do it in English.

I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God when and where they want to.

My heroes are John Wayne, Babe Ruth, Roy Rogers, and whoever canceled Jerry Springer.

I don't hate the rich. I don't pity the poor.

I know wrestling is fake and I don't waste my time arguing about it.

I've never owned a slave, or was a slave, I didn't wander forty years In the desert after getting chased out of Egypt. I haven't burned any witches or been persecuted by the Turks and neither have you! So, shut up already.

I want to know which church is it exactly where the Reverend Jesse Jackson practices, where he gets his money, and why he is always part of the problem and not the solution. Can I get an AMEN on that one?

I think cops have the right to pull you over if you're breaking the law, regardless of what color you are.

And, no, I don't mind having my face shown on my drivers license. I think it's good..... and I'm proud that "God" is written on my money. I think if you are too stupid to know how a ballot works, I don't want you deciding who should be running the most powerful nation in the world for the next four years.

I believe that it doesn't take a village to raise a child, it takes two parents.

And what is going on with gas prices... again?

If this makes me a BAD American, then yes, I'm a BAD American.

If this makes me a BAD American, then yes, I'm a BAD American.

No, it just makes him stupid, and I can't decide if that's a trait of a good or bad USian...

George Carlin that is.

YES, I'M A BAD AMERICAN

by: George Carlin

I Am Your Worst Nightmare. I am a BAD American. I am George Carlin.

I believe the money I make belongs to me and my family, not some mid level governmental functionary be it Democratic or Republican!

I'm in touch with my feelings and I like it that way!

I think owning a gun doesn't make you a killer, it makes you a smart American.

I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized, and does not entitle you to anything.

I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, try to do it in English.

I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God when and where they want to.

My heroes are John Wayne, Babe Ruth, Roy Rogers, and whoever canceled Jerry Springer.

I don't hate the rich. I don't pity the poor.

I know wrestling is fake and I don't waste my time arguing about it.

I've never owned a slave, or was a slave, I didn't wander forty years In the desert after getting chased out of Egypt. I haven't burned any witches or been persecuted by the Turks and neither have you! So, shut up already.

I want to know which church is it exactly where the Reverend Jesse Jackson practices, where he gets his money, and why he is always part of the problem and not the solution. Can I get an AMEN on that one?

I think cops have the right to pull you over if you're breaking the law, regardless of what color you are.

And, no, I don't mind having my face shown on my drivers license. I think it's good..... and I'm proud that "God" is written on my money. I think if you are too stupid to know how a ballot works, I don't want you deciding who should be running the most powerful nation in the world for the next four years.

I believe that it doesn't take a village to raise a child, it takes two parents.

And what is going on with gas prices... again?

If this makes me a BAD American, then yes, I'm a BAD American.

Fake. http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/carlin.asp

If that really is george carlin stuff, he should stick to his old routines.

No, it just makes him stupid, and I can't decide if that's a trait of a good or bad USian...

*insert American freaking out at the usage of "USian"*

Fake. http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/carlin.asp
You almost didn't need the snopes page on that one, since it contridicts his routines and isn't really in his 'voice.' Really, pretty sad.

Fake. http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/carlin.asp

Très bien joué, mon vieux!

If that really is george carlin stuff, he should stick to his old routines.

It's completely fake.

http://www.georgecarlin.com/home/bogus.html

I'm proud that "God" is written on my money.

This is a dead give-away. George Carlin could never say this.

I don't know who the fuck George Carlin is, so most of this is lost on me, but:

I didn't know Jerry Springer had been cancelled.

Yeah, half of it didn't sound like Carlin, but I'm too lazy to check snopes.

Its a weekend, I'm not doing any damn work.

I wonder sometimes about the people who come here and post these stupid e-mails that are almost universally false or at the very least incorrectly attributed-

Do they also have cupboards full of hair and penis growth formulas, debt relief systems, and weight loss products? I mean, if they take everything they get in their e-mail at face value...

Regarding the creator of this thread, obviously you've not listened to George Carlin.

Fake. http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/carlin.asp
Yeah, this really didn't strike me as George Carlin. Some country singer perhaps.

Regarding the creator of this thread, obviously you've not listened to George Carlin.
I've only seen George Carlin twice: as Mr. Conductor on "Shining Time Station" and on his own show back on Fox 10 years ago. And I know this isn't Carlin.

George Carlin that is.

YES, I'M A BAD AMERICAN

by: George Carlin

I Am Your Worst Nightmare. I am a BAD American. I am George Carlin.

I believe the money I make belongs to me and my family, not some mid level governmental functionary be it Democratic or Republican!

I'm in touch with my feelings and I like it that way!

I think owning a gun doesn't make you a killer, it makes you a smart American.

I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized, and does not entitle you to anything.

I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, try to do it in English.

I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God when and where they want to.

My heroes are John Wayne, Babe Ruth, Roy Rogers, and whoever canceled Jerry Springer.

I don't hate the rich. I don't pity the poor.

I know wrestling is fake and I don't waste my time arguing about it.

I've never owned a slave, or was a slave, I didn't wander forty years In the desert after getting chased out of Egypt. I haven't burned any witches or been persecuted by the Turks and neither have you! So, shut up already.

I want to know which church is it exactly where the Reverend Jesse Jackson practices, where he gets his money, and why he is always part of the problem and not the solution. Can I get an AMEN on that one?

I think cops have the right to pull you over if you're breaking the law, regardless of what color you are.

And, no, I don't mind having my face shown on my drivers license. I think it's good..... and I'm proud that "God" is written on my money. I think if you are too stupid to know how a ballot works, I don't want you deciding who should be running the most powerful nation in the world for the next four years.

I believe that it doesn't take a village to raise a child, it takes two parents.

And what is going on with gas prices... again?

If this makes me a BAD American, then yes, I'm a BAD American.

George Carlin, if he's serious, sounds like a Republican.

does he know that?

George Carlin is most definitely not a Republican. Haven't you read this thread? It's a fake.

It's a fake so this post is useless...

Damn, I'm wasting my time again. So how to make something out of this post...

Ah, yes.

"I'm proud that 'God' is written on our money"?
Listen to the man himself (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv2yXh6pTDY&search=George%20Carlin) on the subject on religion instead.

Don't know, don't care. But the fact that 5 times more USians agreed with him than disagree confirms me in my decision to keep away from that place...

"If there is a God, may he strike this audience dead." :D

No, it just makes him stupid, and I can't decide if that's a trait of a good or bad USian...

Fass, if you don't stop using that derogatory and insulting word that starts with a U I'm going to have to do something. You don't use the N word and I'm sure you wouldn't want me to use the F or Q word, so why do you think it's OK to use the U word? :mad: :mad:
Peace.

Fass, if you don't stop using that derogatory and insulting word that starts with a U I'm going to have to do something. You don't use the N word and I'm sure you wouldn't want me to use the F or Q word, so why do you think it's OK to use the U word? :mad: :mad:
Peace.


Concurred

*insert American freaking out at the usage of "USian"*

Fass, if you don't stop using that derogatory and insulting word that starts with a U I'm going to have to do something. You don't use the N word and I'm sure you wouldn't want me to use the F or Q word, so why do you think it's OK to use the U word? :mad: :mad:
Peace.

Doesn't fail to deliver.

Fass, if you don't stop using that derogatory and insulting word that starts with a U I'm going to have to do something. You don't use the N word and I'm sure you wouldn't want me to use the F or Q word, so why do you think it's OK to use the U word? :mad: :mad:
Peace.

Oh, you'll do what exactly? Please. :rolleyes:

I'll use whatever word I want to use. I use it meaning nothing derogatory, since it's not a derogatory term in the least, but if you're so sensitive to take it as such, I don't really care. Get a proper noun and adjective for yourselves that no one else uses and "USian" will go away. As long as you keep thinking you're the only people in the Americas that matter, I won't be participating in you trying to get away with it.

I have been a George Carlin fan for years. Even without the reference to snopes I know that post is a fake, or reposting of falsely attributed commentary by Carlin.

For all of my friends outside of the US, George Carlin is the most anti-establishment, anti-organized religion comedian our country has produced except for Lenny Bruce (who died young and bitter). He would never have said any of those things at all, not even as a joke.

I refuse to vote in a poll on an urban legend and the poster of this thread should be ashamed of themselves.

Oh, you'll do what exactly? Please. :rolleyes:

I'll use whatever word I want to use. I use it meaning nothing derogatory, since it's not a derogatory term in the least, but if you're so sensitive to take it as such, I don't really care. Get a proper noun and adjective for yourselves that no one else uses and "USian" will go away. As long as you keep thinking you're the only people in the Americas that matter, I won't be participating in you trying to get away with it.

So, you are a bigot.

bigot

n : a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own

And I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and thought you might be open minded. Obviously I was wrong.

Don't know, don't care. But the fact that 5 times more USians agreed with him than disagree confirms me in my decision to keep away from that place...

Those who realised how inane this fake cut&paste job was probably didn't vote, so that's not really fair. Though, I can't really argue with your conclusion.

And I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and thought you might be open minded. Obviously I was wrong.

Celtlund doesn't like me?

That's a badge of honour, right there.

Oh, you'll do what exactly? Please. :rolleyes:

I'll use whatever word I want to use. I use it meaning nothing derogatory, since it's not a derogatory term in the least, but if you're so sensitive to take it as such, I don't really care. Get a proper noun and adjective for yourselves that no one else uses and "USian" will go away. As long as you keep thinking you're the only people in the Americas that matter, I won't be participating in you trying to get away with it.

I have no idea why people get upset about USian. How is it insulting?

But to Fass, about the "I dont know if stupid is a trait of a good or bad American" : is your stance that you really hate all USians? It's just shitty to say the things you say about people who live in the states because not all of us are bad. Some of us are really nice people, whom I sure you'd get along with nicely. Every country has assholes. Don't assume we are all like that please.

Oh, you'll do what exactly? Please. :rolleyes:

I'll use whatever word I want to use. I use it meaning nothing derogatory, since it's not a derogatory term in the least, but if you're so sensitive to take it as such, I don't really care. Get a proper noun and adjective for yourselves that no one else uses and "USian" will go away. As long as you keep thinking you're the only people in the Americas that matter, I won't be participating in you trying to get away with it.


People from canada- Canadian
people from mexico-mexican
people from sweden-swedish
people from the United States of America- American

-edit- that last part i did made me seem insensitive. So please disregard that

Celtlund doesn't like me?

That's a badge of honour, right there.

While I agree that being insulted by the term "USian" is silly and comparing it to "******" is unbelievably stupid, in the interests of fair play I prefer to use the term "US American(s)" to avoid confusion.

I have no idea why people get upset about USian. How is it insulting?

Precisely. It's not insulting. It's not meant as insulting. It wasn't created to be insulting. All it is is a term that is specific.

But to Fass, about the "I dont know if stupid is a trait of a good or bad American" : is your stance that you really hate all USians? It's just shitty to say the things you say about people who live in the states because not all of us are bad. Some of us are really nice people, whom I sure you'd get along with nicely. Every country has assholes. Don't assume we are all like that please.

That was a joke. Sort of like all those French jokes USians like to tell. The US is "the fat and ignorant France of the world" - thus we have little jokes about you, like we do of the inept Poles, and the crazy Germans, and uptight British, servile Indians (non-aboriginal), baked and drugged out Dutch, rude and capitulating French, perverted Japanese, corrupt Italians and neurotic Swedes and so on. Does that mean I hate or revile any of them?

Really, why people from the US bitch so much when they're treated like everyone else is an enigma.

So, you are a bigot.

bigot

n : a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own

And I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and thought you might be open minded. Obviously I was wrong.

No actually he is not.

George Carlin that is.

YES, I'M A BAD AMERICAN

by: George Carlin

I Am Your Worst Nightmare. I am a BAD American. I am George Carlin.

I believe the money I make belongs to me and my family, not some mid level governmental functionary be it Democratic or Republican!

I'm in touch with my feelings and I like it that way!

I think owning a gun doesn't make you a killer, it makes you a smart American.

I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized, and does not entitle you to anything.

I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, try to do it in English.

I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God when and where they want to.

My heroes are John Wayne, Babe Ruth, Roy Rogers, and whoever canceled Jerry Springer.

I don't hate the rich. I don't pity the poor.

I know wrestling is fake and I don't waste my time arguing about it.

I've never owned a slave, or was a slave, I didn't wander forty years In the desert after getting chased out of Egypt. I haven't burned any witches or been persecuted by the Turks and neither have you! So, shut up already.

I want to know which church is it exactly where the Reverend Jesse Jackson practices, where he gets his money, and why he is always part of the problem and not the solution. Can I get an AMEN on that one?

I think cops have the right to pull you over if you're breaking the law, regardless of what color you are.

And, no, I don't mind having my face shown on my drivers license. I think it's good..... and I'm proud that "God" is written on my money. I think if you are too stupid to know how a ballot works, I don't want you deciding who should be running the most powerful nation in the world for the next four years.

I believe that it doesn't take a village to raise a child, it takes two parents.

And what is going on with gas prices... again?

If this makes me a BAD American, then yes, I'm a BAD American.

Has George Carlin ever sued for libel over this piece of insane crap? If not, he should. If so, I hope he really took 'em to the cleaners.

People from canada- Canadian
people from mexico-mexican
people from sweden-swedish
people from the United States of America- American

If other people wish to be called American, then they can refer to themselves as Native American, North American, Central American, or South American, because. How hard is it to understand that?
You arn't an American, you're white.

This is certainly not George Carlin, this reeks of bullshit, holy fuck, I mean sincerly, has anyone else been to his website or seen his links reguarding bullshit material done in his name? Holy fuck this sucks. I've seen some limp dicked stuff allegedly written by Carlin, but this is actively harmful. The soft one was at least somwhat uplifting, this was just blatant conservative bullshit.

"I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.”

"Have you ever wondered why Republicans are so interested in encouraging people to volunteer in their communities? It's because volunteers work for no pay. Republicans have been trying to get people to work for no pay for a long time."

"Once you leave the womb, conservatives don't care about you until you reach military age. Then you're just what they're looking for. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers."

George Carlin isn't a fucking conservative, this guy probabily doesn't like good old George and is trying to smear dirt on his good name.

He doesn't really consider himself an American, he's a human, just a human, nothing more nothing less.

Simply put, George Carlin is actually funny, he is no conservative, and nationalism is bullshit.

-edit-
Holy shit, lets not start this bigot bullshit, let's only whip that word out when people are actually picking on people normally oppressed. (Ie anyone the white man has fucked, so basically everyone)
I hate haters

People from canada- Canadian

They're also American.

people from mexico-mexican

Also American.

people from sweden-swedish

Also European.

people from the United States of America- American

Yes, but they're also from the USA, thus USian, USAmerican, or what have you. I use "USian" because it's by far the easiest to type on Swedish keyboards.

If other people wish to be called American, then they can refer to themselves as Native American, North American, Central American, or South American, because. How hard is it to understand that?

Or, they can just not accept you appropriating the name, and call you something else. How hard is that to understand?

Precisely. It's not insulting. It not meant as insulting. It wasn't created to be insulting. All it is is a term that is specificIt's like people saying Californians about people from California or Texans about people from Texas and so on. We even joke and say the people in our neighborhood are Garden Lakians.(Garden Lakes is our subdivision) So yeah, totally non offensive in my opinion folks.


That was a joke. Sort of like all those French jokes USians like to tell. The US is "the France of the world" - thus we have little jokes about you, like we do of the inept Poles, and the crazy Germans, and uptight British, servile Indians (non-aboriginal), baked and drugged out Dutch, rude French, perverted Japanese, corrupt Italians and neurotic Swedes and so on. Does that mean I hate or revile any of them?



ok, I understand now. I just didnt want you to think we are all as terrible as some of our *representatives*. It's like when I see some redneck on the news/tv from Georgia and I think..."oh splendid, where'd they find this guy? Now everyone thinks that what all the Georgians are like:rolleyes: "

People from canada- Canadian
people from mexico-mexican
people from sweden-swedish
people from the United States of America- American

Based on your examples there, surely you should be called an "Unitish", or "Unitan" or indeed an "UnitedStatesofAmericaish", since every other one of your examples use the whole country's name.
For example: inhabitants of New Zealand are called New Zealanders, not Zealanders. The whole country's name is used.

btw, the Swedes don't call themselves Swedish (prob also Mexicans). Only English-speakers call them that.
Which means that if you feel it's ok to use a term to describe them that they don't use themselves, then it logically follows that it's ok for them to use a term to describe you that you wouldn't use yourself.
So feel free to describe yourself as an American. BUT don't get all upset and whiny when someone from a different cultural and langauge background uses a different, non-derogatory, term to describe you.

You arn't an American, you're white.




Excuse me? Since when does skin color play in to what nationality a person is? I do have some european characteristics, but i also have some native american, and semetic characteristics as well. However, I was born in the United States of America, on the North American continent, so either way i am an American.

Let is be known, I amnot opposed to others being called american, as they are from the America's, I am just opposed to the stupid USian bullshit.

It's like people saying Californians about people from California or Texans about people from Texas and so on. We even joke and say the people in our neighborhood are Garden Lakians.(Garden Lakes is our subdivision) So yeah, totally non offensive in my opinion folks.

Thank you for being sensible.

ok, I understand now. I just didnt want you to think we are all as terrible as some of our *representatives*. It's like when I see some redneck on the news/tv from Georgia and I think..."oh splendid, where'd they find this guy? Now everyone thinks that what all the Georgians are like:rolleyes: "

Seeing as I just called you sensible, I guess I'll have to revise my opinion of Georgians being fagbashing ultra-reactionaries. ;)

Let is be known, I amnot opposed to others being called american...

"If other people wish to be called American, then they can refer to themselves as Native American, North American, Central American, or South American, because."

Right. :rolleyes:

Based on your examples there, surely you should be called an "Unitish", or "Unitan" or indeed an "UnitedStatesofAmericaish", since every other one of your examples use the whole country's name.
For example: inhabitants of New Zealand are called New Zealanders, not Zealanders. The whole country's name is used.

btw, the Swedes don't call themselves Swedish (prob also Mexicans). Only English-speakers call them that.
Which means that if you feel it's ok to use a term to describe them that they don't use themselves, then it logically follows that it's ok for them to use a term to describe you that you wouldn't use yourself.
So feel free to describe yourself as an American. BUT don't get all upset and whiny when someone from a different cultural and langauge background uses a different, non-derogatory, term to describe you.


I will get upset, I have done nothing to that bastard, yet he treats every american like a pile of dog shit. I am sick and tired of being referred to as something I am not.

You know what? Fuck it all. Fuck this goddamn forum straight in the ass.

"If other people wish to be called American, then they can refer to themselves as Native American, North American, Central American, or South American, because."

Right. :rolleyes:

Hey, did you not see my edit? go back and read it.

I will get upset, I have done nothing to that bastard, yet he treats every american like a pile of dog shit. I am sick and tired of being referred to as something I am not.

You know what? Fuck it all. Fuck this goddamn forum straight in the ass.
Shit up fucking American white blue eyed blonde haired devil motherfucker, go home to mommy you fucking redneck trash.

You'd have to be a complete idiot to think George Carlin wrote that. Who posted this?????

Oh... I see.

Shit up fucking American white blue eyed blonde haired devil motherfucker, go home to mommy you fucking redneck trash.

hehe... Black hair, and eyes, darker skin, and my neck certainly is not red.

Hey, did you not see my edit? go back and read it.

You mean the edit that was designed to hide what you really thought? Sorry, you don't get to take back what you said that easily.

Back to the "George Carlin" rant, I don't know much Carlin myself but even I could see it wasn't written by a comedian.
Also, LG loves Carlin and I could never see him listening to this tripe and thinking it's great.
It's in the same bin as that fake Robin Williams rant that does the rounds every so often.
Obviously written by a rabid redneck neo-con imbecile who knows no-one would listen to his blatantly unfunny abusive rightwing rantings, so insults a great comedian by pasting their name up top, knowing that this will make very naiive, gullible right-leaning ppl mistake it for real, read it, fwd it and then feel smug and safe in their wee neo-con worlds because, 'Hey! Even comedians hate the liberals and everything that threatens me, my world and the status quo."

Thank you for being sensible.



Seeing as I just called you sensible, I guess I'll have to revise my opinion of Georgians being fagbashing ultra-reactionaries. ;)


Thanks Fass;)

Unfortunately Georgia does have a heaping helping of fag bashers. My step brother and his bf were beaten very badly and robbed by a bunch of "good ol' boys" in Atlanta one night. The same happened to two of my best friends....they were beaten so badly that they sustained broken jaws, arms and spent 4 days in the hospital. The offenders even carved "fag" on their foreheads with a box cutter.

The men who assualted my step brother and his bf were apprehended. The one's who assaulted my friends were not. So there's a good chance they did the same thing to someone else. Fucking terrible.

sorry for the hijack folks.

Sorry for the direct attack, but I feel a duty to flame American Whites, us Americans are the lords of oppression here on earth and we've done the most damage in several generations. (I live in Kansas and am Scandanavian).

I have many friends here, but if I were to pick a random Kansan and ask about America's place in the world, you'd be suprised they don't bluntly call themself a fascist.

Really, why people from the US bitch so much when they're treated like everyone else is an enigma.

It's quite simple, Fass. From a very young age, US citizens are inculcated with the ignorant notion that they are somehow exceptional, and superior to folks in other countries. The problem starts with the daily Pledge of Allegiance (as if one's citizenship wears off overnight) and continues in their learning about, and accepting as fact, the invented myths about their sainted founding fathers.

They are taught that they have a divine right either to ignore and neglect the rest of humanity or to interfere where they're not wanted, as the whim strikes them -- and of course, whatever whim strikes them is by definition a good whim, because it's American. This feeling of exceptionalism never quite leaves them, no matter how much the rest of us would like to beat it out of them.

I will get upset, I have done nothing to that bastard, yet he treats every american like a pile of dog shit.

I treat almost everyone like a pile of dog shit. Don't feel special over it.

I am sick and tired of being referred to as something I am not.

So, you're not from the USA? Why are you upset, then?

You know what? Fuck it all. Fuck this goddamn forum straight in the ass.

You need to take a step away from the computer and calm down.

Shit up fucking American white blue eyed blonde haired devil motherfucker, go home to mommy you fucking redneck trash.


:eek:

A little much dont you think?

I will get upset, I have done nothing to that bastard, yet he treats every american like a pile of dog shit. I am sick and tired of being referred to as something I am not.
Yet you're think it's perfectly acceptable to refer to Fass as a Swede or as Swedish, which he is not.
Tell me, do you know the word 'H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y'?

You know what? Fuck it all. Fuck this goddamn forum straight in the ass.
okkkkkk.....one of the better, more constructive comments tonight.

Sorry for the direct attack, but I feel a duty to flame American Whites, us Americans are the lords of oppression here on earth and we've done the most damage in several generations. (I live in Kansas and am Scandanavian).


Flaming=bad

Oh, you'll do what exactly? Please. :rolleyes:

I'll use whatever word I want to use. I use it meaning nothing derogatory, since it's not a derogatory term in the least, but if you're so sensitive to take it as such, I don't really care. Get a proper noun and adjective for yourselves that no one else uses and "USian" will go away. As long as you keep thinking you're the only people in the Americas that matter, I won't be participating in you trying to get away with it.

The problem is Fass, that "American" has been the term for people from the USA for a long, long time. Over 200 years, in point of fact. Our immediate northern neighbor's citizens are "Canadians," our immediate southern neighbor's citizens are "Mexicans."

As far as I can tell, it's you folks in Europe that want us to change. I apologize respectfully, but no. Our nation is called the United States of America or "Americans" for short. It does not offend Canadians that we are called that, and it doesn't offend Mexicans either. I will not fully list the names by which Central and South American nation's citizens are referred, but they do not lack for something to be called in reference to their nation's name (Venezuelans, Ecuadorians, Brazilians, etc).

I have long thought this a damn silly argument, but the citizens of my nation are called "Americans" not USians. I give you the courtesy to call the citizens of your nation (Sweden) "Swedes", those from Denmark are "Danes," and those from Norway are "Norwegians." If am wrong, correct me please

If you are referring to the denizens of our continent, we are North Americans, Central Americans or South Americans, dependent upon location.

You and I agree politically on a great number of things, but Europe does not have the collective right to demand we call ourselves something else when no one on this continent is complaining about people from the United States being called "Americans."

Thank you.

(I) and am Scandanavian.

My condolences.

:eek:

A little much dont you think?
Considering I live in Kansas and am Scandanavian in ethnicity, I can speak from experience, I think it's my duty to spit in the face of the average American white, I honestly don't trust this country. But Zil isn't the case, and It's become un-obfuscuated to me just recently that my attack was completely useless, but form what I had read I was led to believe she was quite the nationalist, which triggered my extravagant attempt to offend.

You mean the edit that was designed to hide what you really thought? Sorry, you don't get to take back what you said that easily.


Actually I really don't think that. Ask anyone that knows me. I am not a bigot. I just have a tendency at times to accidently slip up. I said sorry, and edited it.

Besides, I was trying to say how if someone is from South America, then they are south American. Are they not? Or if they are from central america, then they are central american. or if they are an aboriginal, then they are native american. But they can also prescribe to their respective nation or culture. For example, someone said that they were tired of all the aboriginals being refered to as Native Americans, becuase there are vastly different aborinal cultures here in the Americas. Just like it pisses people off to refer to everyone as american, as the cultures are vastly different. Im sure most mexicans would prefer to be called mexican, or canadians to be called canadian, and not have any reference to america at all.

I assure you I'm usually not this blatantly offensive, but I honestly believe that it does hyper nationalists good to be messed with.

I usually strive for diplomacy, but I'm still awake from yesterday.

Considering I live in Kansas and am Scandanavian in ethnicity, I can speak from experience, I think it's my duty to spit in the face of the average American white, I honestly don't trust this country. But Zil isn't the case, and It's become un-obfuscuated to me just recently that my attack was completely useless, but form what I had read I was led to believe she was quite the nationalist, which triggered my extravagant attempt to offend.


I am terribly sorry that your experience with the average White USian has been bad.:( I promise we arent all like that. I promise.

Hey I'm white and I've had some downright scary/unspeakable experiences with them as well. Sometimes people are just no good....no matter where they are from or what color they are.

I treat almost everyone like a pile of dog shit. Don't feel special over it.
But i am special.



So, you're not from the USA? Why are you upset, then?
I am from the United States of America. but you know what. Call me whatever you wish. I really don't care any more what a man on another continent considers me to be.


You need to take a step away from the computer and calm down.
Yes, I agree. NS gives me headaches :(

It's quite simple, Fass. From a very young age, US citizens are inculcated with the ignorant notion that they are somehow exceptional, and superior to folks in other countries. The problem starts with the daily Pledge of Allegiance (as if one's citizenship wears off overnight) and continues in their learning about, and accepting as fact, the invented myths about their sainted founding fathers.

They are taught that they have a divine right either to ignore and neglect the rest of humanity or to interfere where they're not wanted, as the whim strikes them -- and of course, whatever whim strikes them is by definition a good whim, because it's American. This feeling of exceptionalism never quite leaves them, no matter how much the rest of us would like to beat it out of them.

American Exceptionalism, from the almighty Wiki. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americentric)

Coined by a Frenchman. The irony is so...big.

Considering I live in Kansas and am Scandanavian in ethnicity, I can speak from experience, I think it's my duty to spit in the face of the average American white, I honestly don't trust this country. But Zil isn't the case, and It's become un-obfuscuated to me just recently that my attack was completely useless, but form what I had read I was led to believe she was quite the nationalist, which triggered my extravagant attempt to offend.


-cough- He ;) And I am not a nationalist. Hell I don't even know what I am anymore. This place makes my head hurt :p

Considering I live in Kansas and am Scandanavian in ethnicity, I can speak from experience, I think it's my duty to spit in the face of the average American white, I honestly don't trust this country. But Zil isn't the case, and It's become un-obfuscuated to me just recently that my attack was completely useless, but form what I had read I was led to believe she was quite the nationalist, which triggered my extravagant attempt to offend.

What has the average white american ever done to you?

What have I ever done to you?

The problem is Fass, that "American" has been the term for people from the USA for a long, long time. Over 200 years, in point of fact.

And the "American" to mean "from the Americas" has been around for longer than that.

Our immediate northern neighbor's citizens are "Canadians," our immediate southern neighbor's citizens are "Mexicans."

That's 'cause they had the foresight to get practical names that weren't already in use.

As far as I can tell, it's you folks in Europe that want us to change. I apologize respectfully, but no. Our nation is called the United States of America or "Americans" for short. It does not offend Canadians that we are called that, and it doesn't offend Mexicans either. I will not fully list the names by which Central and South American nation's citizens are referred, but they do not lack for something to be called in reference to their nation's name (Venezuelans, Ecuadorians, Brazilians, etc).

I don't care what you call yourselves, and I don't care if you change or not. I am not you, thus I don't have to call you what you call yourselves.

I have long thought this a damn silly argument, but the citizens of my nation are called "Americans" not USians. I give you the courtesy to call the citizens of your nation (Sweden) "Swedes", those from Denmark are "Danes," and those from Norway are "Norwegians." If am wrong, correct me please

You don't call us what we call ourselves. We don't bitch, neither should you. When we call Germans "Germans" and not "Deutch" or the Dutch "Dutch" and not "Niederländer" (or whatever) they don't bitch, and neither should you.

If you are referring to the denizens of our continent, we are North Americans, Central Americans or South Americans, dependent upon location.

And if I don't care to be precise about location, I use American.

You and I agree politically on a great number of things, but Europe does not have the collective right to demand we call ourselves something else when no one on this continent is complaining about people from the United States being called "Americans."

Thank you.

Actually, other people on the continent do complain, so much so that they also call you the Spanish equivalent of USian = "Estadounidense." They don't care if you change or not, either - they just call you what they want, like you also do with everyone else, for instance calling Sverige "Sweden" and svenskar "Swedes" (like the vegetable! OMGWTF! I should so totally be crying about it like a schoolgirl! Or not. ) or svensk "Swedish."

The problem is Fass, that "American" has been the term for people from the USA for a long, long time. Over 200 years, in point of fact. Our immediate northern neighbor's citizens are "Canadians," our immediate southern neighbor's citizens are "Mexicans."

As far as I can tell, it's you folks in Europe that want us to change. I apologize respectfully, but no. Our nation is called the United States of America or "Americans" for short. It does not offend Canadians that we are called that, and it doesn't offend Mexicans either. I will not fully list the names by which Central and South American nation's citizens are referred, but they do not lack for something to be called in reference to their nation's name (Venezuelans, Ecuadorians, Brazilians, etc).

I have long thought this a damn silly argument, but the citizens of my nation are called "Americans" not USians. I give you the courtesy to call the citizens of your nation (Sweden) "Swedes", those from Denmark are "Danes," and those from Norway are "Norwegians." If am wrong, correct me please

If you are referring to the denizens of our continent, we are North Americans, Central Americans or South Americans, dependent upon location.

You and I agree politically on a great number of things, but Europe does not have the collective right to demand we call ourselves something else when no one on this continent is complaining about people from the United States being called "Americans."

Thank you.

he/she/it said exactly what was on my mind.

American Exceptionalism, from the almighty Wiki. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americentric)

Coined by a Frenchman. The irony is so...big.

True, and I don't think de Tocqueville meant it in the most complimentary way, either. Methinks the Americans have ever quite forgiven the French as a whole for de Tocqueville's having coined the term "exceptionalism" (well, those Americans who've even heard of him, or it, anyway, or who can pronounce either).

So how about that george carlin guy

/changing the subject back

True, and I don't think de Tocqueville meant it in the most complimentary way, either. Methinks the Americans have ever quite forgiven the French as a whole for de Tocqueville's having coined the term "exceptionalism" (well, those Americans who've even heard of him, or it, anyway, or who can pronounce either).

Personally, I don't really think exceptionalism is a proper word for it in the context of today. I think he just ment to say that the American Psyche is somehow different from the "Old World", for better or for worse.

It's quite simple, Fass. From a very young age, US citizens are inculcated with the ignorant notion that they are somehow exceptional, and superior to folks in other countries. The problem starts with the daily Pledge of Allegiance (as if one's citizenship wears off overnight) and continues in their learning about, and accepting as fact, the invented myths about their sainted founding fathers.

They are taught that they have a divine right either to ignore and neglect the rest of humanity or to interfere where they're not wanted, as the whim strikes them -- and of course, whatever whim strikes them is by definition a good whim, because it's American. This feeling of exceptionalism never quite leaves them, no matter how much the rest of us would like to beat it out of them.

That is a terrible generalization. Most educated people in the United States do not think, believe or act that way. For instance, I don't believe for one moment I am better than anyone else just because of the nation of my birth. I have always believed the Pledge of Allegiance should never be required of anyone. Everything in the second paragraph addresses the "Ugly" American and I will not dignify it with a response.

I am a citizen of the world. I have travelled and I treat people from other countries with respect. I always try to absorb the culture of other nations, and learn as much of the language as I can. Yes, I am a citizen of the US, do I feel good about that? Right now, in point of fact I don't. But I was born here, raised here and I still believe in some of the beautiful things I once felt this nation stood for. It is a painful time to be American, our government is an embarassment and the men running it are not equal to the task in front of them. For that, I apologize.

But I do not apologize for being born here and feeling some loyalty to the land of my birth. I believe that the US can do better and that it MUST do better. As for those who are not from here who have not lived on this soil...I have a request.

I think it is incredibly rude and discourteous when an American goes to another nation and criticizes the system of government and treats the citizens there like trash. It is embarassing and painful to me when I go there and get the cold shoulder after that ignoramus leaves.

I think it equally discourteous when a citizen of another country lobs such commentary from afar with the same measure of ignorance. Do not generalize. I know my country has problems, and there are people here who care and want that to change. Don't lump me in with the jingoistic retards who give my country a bad name, if you please.

And the "American" to mean "from the Americas" has been around for longer than that.



That's 'cause they had the foresight to get practical names that weren't already in use.



I don't care what you call yourselves, and I don't care if you change or not. I am not you, thus I don't have to call you what you call yourselves.



You don't call us what we call ourselves. We don't bitch, neither should you. When we call Germans "Germans" and not "Deutch" or the Dutch "Dutch" and not "Niederländer" (or whatever) they don't bitch, and neither should you.



And if I don't care to be precise about location, I use American.



Actually, other people on the continent do complain, so much so that they also call you the Spanish equivalent of USian = "Estadounidense." They don't care if you change or not, either - they just call you what they want, like you also do with everyone else, for instance calling Sverige "Sweden" and svenskar "Swedes" (like the vegetable! OMGWTF! I should so totally be crying about it like a schoolgirl! Or not. ) or svensk "Swedish."

<sigh> I don't want to offend you. I wasn't complaining. I did not name this country and I wish I knew how to fix it. I don't speak Svensk. I speak Deutsch and Francais'. I will make an effort to refer to those from Sweden as Svenskar and the nation as Sverige.

Call me a "Yank" or anything you like. It would be so much better for this world if there were no nations...then we wouldn't have idiotic problems like this to deal with.

That is a terrible generalization. Most educated people in the United States do not think, believe or act that way. For instance, I don't believe for one moment I am better than anyone else just because of the nation of my birth. I have always believed the Pledge of Allegiance should never be required of anyone. Everything in the second paragraph addresses the "Ugly" American and I will not dignify it with a response.

I am a citizen of the world. I have travelled and I treat people from other countries with respect. I always try to absorb the culture of other nations, and learn as much of the language as I can. Yes, I am a citizen of the US, do I feel good about that? Right now, in point of fact I don't. But I was born here, raised here and I still believe in some of the beautiful things I once felt this nation stood for. It is a painful time to be American, our government is an embarassment and the men running it are not equal to the task in front of them. For that, I apologize.

But I do not apologize for being born here and feeling some loyalty to the land of my birth. I believe that the US can do better and that it MUST do better. As for those who are not from here who have not lived on this soil...I have a request.

I think it is incredibly rude and discourteous when an American goes to another nation and criticizes the system of government and treats the citizens there like trash. It is embarassing and painful to me when I go there and get the cold shoulder after that ignoramus leaves.

I think it equally discourteous when a citizen of another country lobs such commentary from afar with the same measure of ignorance. Do not generalize. I know my country has problems, and there are people here who care and want that to change. Don't lump me in with the jingoistic retards who give my country a bad name, if you please.

1. I don't live that far from the United States. In fact, on clear days, I can see Rochester NY.

2. It's not a terrible generalization to say that Americans (wrongly) consider themselves exceptional. It is in fact a very apt generalization, based on decades of observation of and conversations with Americans in some 30 or so states.

3. By my standards, "most educated Americans" does not equal "most Americans".

4. You seem to imply that the "ugly American" doesn't exist.

5. If you are an American who doesn't believe in American exceptionalism, then you are the rare exception, in which case, I do apologize for my discourtesy in lumping you together with the unexceptional exceptionalists.

I don't know who he is or if it's fake or not, but I do agree with everything or almost everything he said.

True, and I don't think de Tocqueville meant it in the most complimentary way, either. Methinks the Americans have ever quite forgiven the French as a whole for de Tocqueville's having coined the term "exceptionalism" (well, those Americans who've even heard of him, or it, anyway, or who can pronounce either).

Sir or Madam;

Yes, I have heard of Alexis de Tocqueville and since I DO speak Francais I can pronounce it as well.

Not all people from the US are ignorant rubes who do not try to understand the world around them, but I am getting very annoyed with the backhanded comments. How many more times can I as an individual person apologize for the ignorant fools in my country? All I can do is try to avoid those mistakes and learn as much as I can about the world around me.

Since I was not around in 1831, I cannot answer if de Tocqueville was being ironic or not terribly complimentary. I imagine it was likely a combination of compliment and warning, but I might be wrong.

I don't speak Svensk.

Actually, the language is "svenska." No capitalisation. :p

I will make an effort to refer to those from Sweden as Svenskar and the nation as Sverige.

You shouldn't on the behalf of anyone Swedish, because I assure you, we don't care.

1. I don't live that far from the United States. In fact, on clear days, I can see Rochester NY.

2. It's not a terrible generalization to say that Americans (wrongly) consider themselves exceptional. It is in fact a very apt generalization, based on decades of observation of and conversations with Americans in some 30 or so states.

I agree with you, and I apologize for the imprecise language. It is very apt.


3. By my standards, "most educated Americans" does not equal "most Americans".

By my standards as well. It is my general opinion living here and travelling to other countries that the United States is the most poorly educated of the industrialized nations at the secondary school level. It is not until post-college that the US catches up with the other industrial nations.


4. You seem to imply that the "ugly American" doesn't exist.

No, I stated that the second paragraph addressed problems commonly associated with the "Ugly" American and I would not dignify that paragraph with a response.

I KNOW there are "Ugly" Americans, I have witnessed first-hand their behavior in other countries, and am embarassed about their shenanigans.


5. If you are an American who doesn't believe in American exceptionalism, then you are the rare exception, in which case, I do apologize for my discourtesy in lumping you together with the unexceptional exceptionalists.

Thank you for the courtesy of the apology.

There are many, many people of all nations who could use a primer on manners. I am sad to say a rather large percentage of US citizens fall into that category. But Canada and other nations of this world are not immune to having bad manners, either.

Actually, the language is "svenska." No capitalisation. :p

Ah, "svenska" it is. You know, you're cute when you stick that tongue out at me. Don't stick that tongue out unless you intend to use it ;).



You shouldn't on the behalf of anyone Swedish, because I assure you, we don't care.

So this would be why you went all drama queen on me? Because you don't care? :p

George Carlin that is.

YES, I'M A BAD AMERICAN

by: George Carlin

I Am Your Worst Nightmare. I am a BAD American. I am George Carlin.

I believe the money I make belongs to me and my family, not some mid level governmental functionary be it Democratic or Republican!

I'm in touch with my feelings and I like it that way!

I think owning a gun doesn't make you a killer, it makes you a smart American.

I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized, and does not entitle you to anything.

I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, try to do it in English.

I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God when and where they want to.

My heroes are John Wayne, Babe Ruth, Roy Rogers, and whoever canceled Jerry Springer.

I don't hate the rich. I don't pity the poor.

I know wrestling is fake and I don't waste my time arguing about it.

I've never owned a slave, or was a slave, I didn't wander forty years In the desert after getting chased out of Egypt. I haven't burned any witches or been persecuted by the Turks and neither have you! So, shut up already.

I want to know which church is it exactly where the Reverend Jesse Jackson practices, where he gets his money, and why he is always part of the problem and not the solution. Can I get an AMEN on that one?

I think cops have the right to pull you over if you're breaking the law, regardless of what color you are.

And, no, I don't mind having my face shown on my drivers license. I think it's good..... and I'm proud that "God" is written on my money. I think if you are too stupid to know how a ballot works, I don't want you deciding who should be running the most powerful nation in the world for the next four years.

I believe that it doesn't take a village to raise a child, it takes two parents.

And what is going on with gas prices... again?

If this makes me a BAD American, then yes, I'm a BAD American.

Amen! This is what I've been looking for!

They're superstitious, they have these beliefs, these primitive, you know, people believe in a... I mean they're just really kind of credulous, and gullible. People believe in, for instance, hell and angels, okay, these are very primitive, very, very backward to me, backward sounding beliefs, these are child-like, and that's the key, because they get you when you're a kid, they get you when you're little, and they tell you there's a God, and if you can make people believe, I believe this, if you can make someone believe that there's an invisible man, living in the sky, who's watching everything you do, and keeping count of everything you do, which is good and which is bad, then you can make that person believe anything after that, you can add anything you want, the 4th of July shit just rolls right in, land of the free, home of the brave, the press is fair and impartial, justice is blind, all men are created equal, your vote is important, the United States government is on your side, the army is here to keep the peace, the police are on your side...Oh, and freedom of choice, this is the big one, the illusion of choice, we're led to feel free by the exercise of meaningless choices. There are, for instance, important things -- not too many choices, unimportant things-ice cream flavors, what do you want, we've got 31, the flavor of the week, the flavor of the month, but political parties-we're down to two, jeez. Sources of information, media companies down to five, banks, insurance companies, pharmaceuticals, chemical companies, oil companies-used to be seven, down to three, pretty soon it's gonna be two. But if you’re lookin' for a bagel or a fuckin' donut, hey, what do you want-pineapple supreme, hazelnut; we've got everything you want. Cereals, I counted, personally in the store counted 192 different cereal choices, 192. 140 different cat foods, I counted, and that includes a tartar-control cat food for senior citizen cats, okay?


George on why Americans (USians) are so easily influenced by advertising.

Bit of a different tone to the OP's bullshit quote, isn't it?

The problem is Fass, that "American" has been the term for people from the USA for a long, long time. Over 200 years, in point of fact. Our immediate northern neighbor's citizens are "Canadians," our immediate southern neighbor's citizens are "Mexicans."

As far as I can tell, it's you folks in Europe that want us to change. I apologize respectfully, but no. Our nation is called the United States of America or "Americans" for short. It does not offend Canadians that we are called that, and it doesn't offend Mexicans either. I will not fully list the names by which Central and South American nation's citizens are referred, but they do not lack for something to be called in reference to their nation's name (Venezuelans, Ecuadorians, Brazilians, etc).

I have long thought this a damn silly argument, but the citizens of my nation are called "Americans" not USians. I give you the courtesy to call the citizens of your nation (Sweden) "Swedes", those from Denmark are "Danes," and those from Norway are "Norwegians." If am wrong, correct me please

If you are referring to the denizens of our continent, we are North Americans, Central Americans or South Americans, dependent upon location.

You and I agree politically on a great number of things, but Europe does not have the collective right to demand we call ourselves something else when no one on this continent is complaining about people from the United States being called "Americans."

Thank you.

Very well said. Thank you.

If you are referring to the denizens of our continent, we are North Americans, Central Americans or South Americans, dependent upon location.
Um, no... The Organisation Of American States in its very name establishes that everyone within the Americas is an American. In fact, even your own country's name reinforces this. The states in the USA are, at least in theory, independent countries from the continent of America who have banded together. Based on that, the proper term for a citizen of the USA depends on which state that person inhabits. You should be called New Yorkers and Wisconsonians, or whatever is appropriate.

I do understand this frustration- Technically only people from Ontario and Quebec should be called Canadians, and yet the rest of us from the Eastern and Western provinces are given that misnomer. Provincial "nationalism" is quite strong in Canada, though, so most people here do introduce themselves by province (Except of course for Ontarians, who use 'Canadian', which is alright since they are from one of the two original Canadas anyway).

Regardless, I agree that the term USian looks a bit silly. My method of getting around it is to go the long way and call you "from the USA".

George on why Americans (USians) are so easily influenced by advertising.

Bit of a different tone to the OP's bullshit quote, isn't it?

*Nods*

Yup. Pile of horse-hockey, that opening quote.

Actually, other people on the continent do complain, so much so that they also call you the Spanish equivalent of USian = "Estadounidense."

Don't spend much time in Spain do you. The Spanish call us Americanos. That is the equivalent of Americans.

form what I had read I was led to believe she was quite the nationalist, which triggered my extravagant attempt to offend.
That was way over the line, even for satire. Don't do it again.


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You almost didn't need the snopes page on that one, since it contridicts his routines and isn't really in his 'voice.' Really, pretty sad.
Agreed I read threw it and was like no frigging way that is carlin

So how about that george carlin guy

/changing the subject back
That was not carlin

Back to the "George Carlin" rant, I don't know much Carlin myself but even I could see it wasn't written by a comedian.
Also, LG loves Carlin and I could never see him listening to this tripe and thinking it's great.
It's in the same bin as that fake Robin Williams rant that does the rounds every so often.
Obviously written by a rabid redneck neo-con imbecile who knows no-one would listen to his blatantly unfunny abusive rightwing rantings, so insults a great comedian by pasting their name up top, knowing that this will make very naiive, gullible right-leaning ppl mistake it for real, read it, fwd it and then feel smug and safe in their wee neo-con worlds because, 'Hey! Even comedians hate the liberals and everything that threatens me, my world and the status quo."
Well said ... the dishonosty that spawns this makes me more mad then the writers point of view (he is entitled to a point of view but whoever added carlins name to it is an asshat even if carlin thought along simmilar lines)

Based on your examples there, surely you should be called an "Unitish", or "Unitan" or indeed an "UnitedStatesofAmericaish", since every other one of your examples use the whole country's name.
For example: inhabitants of New Zealand are called New Zealanders, not Zealanders. The whole country's name is used.

btw, the Swedes don't call themselves Swedish (prob also Mexicans). Only English-speakers call them that.
Which means that if you feel it's ok to use a term to describe them that they don't use themselves, then it logically follows that it's ok for them to use a term to describe you that you wouldn't use yourself.
So feel free to describe yourself as an American. BUT don't get all upset and whiny when someone from a different cultural and langauge background uses a different, non-derogatory, term to describe you.
Very well put (and this is coming from a citizen of the united states :) )

George Carlin that is.

YES, I'M A BAD AMERICAN

by: George Carlin

I Am Your Worst Nightmare. I am a BAD American. I am George Carlin.

I believe the money I make belongs to me and my family, not some mid level governmental functionary be it Democratic or Republican!

I'm in touch with my feelings and I like it that way!

I think owning a gun doesn't make you a killer, it makes you a smart American.

I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized, and does not entitle you to anything.

I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, try to do it in English.

I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God when and where they want to.

My heroes are John Wayne, Babe Ruth, Roy Rogers, and whoever canceled Jerry Springer.

I don't hate the rich. I don't pity the poor.

I know wrestling is fake and I don't waste my time arguing about it.

I've never owned a slave, or was a slave, I didn't wander forty years In the desert after getting chased out of Egypt. I haven't burned any witches or been persecuted by the Turks and neither have you! So, shut up already.

I want to know which church is it exactly where the Reverend Jesse Jackson practices, where he gets his money, and why he is always part of the problem and not the solution. Can I get an AMEN on that one?

I think cops have the right to pull you over if you're breaking the law, regardless of what color you are.

And, no, I don't mind having my face shown on my drivers license. I think it's good..... and I'm proud that "God" is written on my money. I think if you are too stupid to know how a ballot works, I don't want you deciding who should be running the most powerful nation in the world for the next four years.

I believe that it doesn't take a village to raise a child, it takes two parents.

And what is going on with gas prices... again?

If this makes me a BAD American, then yes, I'm a BAD American.

I dunno who the hell George Carlin is, but he's a great guy. Good for him.

I dunno who the hell George Carlin is, but he's a great guy. Good for him.
Ahh you are one of thoes people that dont even bother reading the first few posts

This is not carlin

Very well put (and this is coming from a citizen of the united states :) )

I tried very hard to make that post as non-offensive as I could. If DH is referring to my post.

I would be glad to call all nations what they are, in their native language if I could speak or learn all of the languages necessary to do so. Alas, I am not that well-versed in languages.

I apologize for the English language being imprecise and I am sorry the names that were adopted into our language does not do your individual nations justice.

The term USian bothers me a lot. I will take being called "Yank", "American", "citizen of the US" or even "Hey you." I will take being corrected happily on your citizen's preferred mode of address. But, I am sick and bloody tired of being told that the colloquial reference "American" is wrong and should be abolished. It's a bloody colloquialism.

I sit here miserably watching the citizens of my country act like arrogant asses. I visit your nations and see "Ugly" representatives of my country and I'm embarassed and I apologize profusely for it.

What do I get in return?

I'm one person. I do my best. I'm sorry what we call ourselves does not please you, I'm sorry that we are so screwed up that we can't even be civilized correctly.

Ahh you are one of thoes people that dont even bother reading the first few posts

This is not carlin

Don't you hate that?

As soon as I started reading it I knew it wasn't Carlin. Especially after he hadn't used any foul language within the first 10 words.

Don't you hate that?

As soon as I started reading it I knew it wasn't Carlin. Especially after he hadn't used any foul language within the first 10 words.

What the fuck??? :confused:

SEVEN whopping pages on a thread about a FAKE Carlin article?

Glad to see my "snoping" work rendered completely pointless. :mad:
Actually I quite like that USian debate raging on, but hey that's just me *wink*

What the fuck??? :confused:

SEVEN whopping pages on a thread about a FAKE Carlin article?

Glad to see my "snoping" work rendered completely pointless. :mad:
Actually I quite like that USian debate raging on, but hey that's just me *wink*
What's more is the opening poster has been more tha available to address the hijack topic but nothing on the fact that he was dupped by a tragicly obvious fake e-mail.

What the fuck??? :confused:

SEVEN whopping pages on a thread about a FAKE Carlin article?

Glad to see my "snoping" work rendered completely pointless. :mad:
Actually I quite like that USian debate raging on, but hey that's just me *wink*

This thread does prove Carlin's point about USian gullibility though. If someone can be convinced an invisible man in the sky is watching over us, then they'll also believe George Carlin is a Real American™ Bushevik.

Don't spend much time in Spain do you. The Spanish call us Americanos. That is the equivalent of Americans.
Funny, the word I've always encountered is estadounidenses.

What the fuck??? :confused:

SEVEN whopping pages on a thread about a FAKE Carlin article?

Glad to see my "snoping" work rendered completely pointless. :mad:
Actually I quite like that USian debate raging on, but hey that's just me *wink*

You act like that's surprising. What's really surprising is that it's even remotely on topic after 7 pages. Most of these things veer off course after about 2 pages and then go on for another 35 pages of discussion about something entirely unrelated to the OP.

You act like that's surprising. What's really surprising is that it's even remotely on topic after 7 pages. Most of these things veer off course after about 2 pages and then go on for another 35 pages of discussion about something entirely unrelated to the OP.

Touche.

Um, no... The Organisation Of American States in its very name establishes that everyone within the Americas is an American. In fact, even your own country's name reinforces this. The states in the USA are, at least in theory, independent countries from the continent of America who have banded together. Based on that, the proper term for a citizen of the USA depends on which state that person inhabits. You should be called New Yorkers and Wisconsonians, or whatever is appropriate.

I do understand this frustration- Technically only people from Ontario and Quebec should be called Canadians, and yet the rest of us from the Eastern and Western provinces are given that misnomer. Provincial "nationalism" is quite strong in Canada, though, so most people here do introduce themselves by province (Except of course for Ontarians, who use 'Canadian', which is alright since they are from one of the two original Canadas anyway).

Regardless, I agree that the term USian looks a bit silly. My method of getting around it is to go the long way and call you "from the USA".

Oh please, I'm in complete concurence with Fass. If I'm an USian and I don't mind the fucking term, then no one else should either. I'll call whoever, whatever I like.

When I moved to Texas from Chicago, everyone referred to me as either Yankee (Union citizen during Civil War) or the Chicagoian and it didn't bother me on fucking bit. So get past your petty 'frustration' over this. You're what is silly, not the term.

What's more is the opening poster has been more tha available to address the hijack topic but nothing on the fact that he was dupped by a tragicly obvious fake e-mail.
And this surprises who?

*Carlin's pseudo-quote about "God" on money*

This is a dead give-away. George Carlin could never say this.
Ah, you indeed ROCK.
This was exactly where i found myself respecting him less, if it had actually been the case.
http://www.websmileys.com/sm/happy/1356.gif

Ah, "svenska" it is. You know, you're cute when you stick that tongue out at me. Don't stick that tongue out unless you intend to use it ;).

I always have intent in that department. Don't tempt me unless it's what you really want.

So this would be why you went all drama queen on me? Because you don't care? :p

That was mock drama. An attempt to ridicule the earlier drama in the thread. I've nothing against being called the same thing as a vegetable - it's a cute and useful vegetable.

Don't spend much time in Spain do you. The Spanish call us Americanos. That is the equivalent of Americans.

You don't spend much time in the Spanish parts of America, do you? Ponder why "estadounidense" returns 21,700,000 hits when one searches for it in google.

George Carlin that is.

YES, I'M A BAD AMERICAN

by: George Carlin

I Am Your Worst Nightmare. I am a BAD American. I am George Carlin.

I believe the money I make belongs to me and my family, not some mid level governmental functionary be it Democratic or Republican!

I'm in touch with my feelings and I like it that way!

I think owning a gun doesn't make you a killer, it makes you a smart American.

I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized, and does not entitle you to anything.

I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, try to do it in English.

I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God when and where they want to.

My heroes are John Wayne, Babe Ruth, Roy Rogers, and whoever canceled Jerry Springer.

I don't hate the rich. I don't pity the poor.

I know wrestling is fake and I don't waste my time arguing about it.

I've never owned a slave, or was a slave, I didn't wander forty years In the desert after getting chased out of Egypt. I haven't burned any witches or been persecuted by the Turks and neither have you! So, shut up already.

I want to know which church is it exactly where the Reverend Jesse Jackson practices, where he gets his money, and why he is always part of the problem and not the solution. Can I get an AMEN on that one?

I think cops have the right to pull you over if you're breaking the law, regardless of what color you are.

And, no, I don't mind having my face shown on my drivers license. I think it's good..... and I'm proud that "God" is written on my money. I think if you are too stupid to know how a ballot works, I don't want you deciding who should be running the most powerful nation in the world for the next four years.

I believe that it doesn't take a village to raise a child, it takes two parents.

And what is going on with gas prices... again?

If this makes me a BAD American, then yes, I'm a BAD American.

He didn't write that. That is NOT George Carlin.

Hmm. Perhaps I should've read the thread before I posted. :p

On georgecarlin.com It says specifically that among other e-mails going around that george didn't write 'Bad American'. To be honest, this is the first I've ever seen of it, and I can't believe that anybody would think he DID.

Here's something from Carlin's website regarding fakes:

DON'T BLAME ME
Floating around the Internet these days, posted and e-mailed back and forth, are a number of writings attributed to me, and I want people to know they're not mine. Don't blame me.

Some are essay-length, some are just short lists of one and two-line jokes, but if they're flyin' around the Internet, they're probably not mine. Occasionally, a couple of jokes on a long list might have come from me, but not often. And because most of this stuff is really lame, it's embarrassing to see my name on it.



And that's the problem. I want people to know that I take care with my writing, and try to keep my standards high. But most of this "humor" on the Internet is just plain stupid. I guess hard-core fans who follow my stuff closely would be able to spot the fake stuff, because the tone of voice is so different. But a casual fan has no way of knowing, and it bothers me that some people might believe I'd actually be capable of writing some of this stuff.

"PARADOX OF OUR TIME"
One of the more embarrassing items making the internet/e-mail rounds is a sappy load of shit called "The Paradox of Our Time." The main problem I have with it is that as true as some of the expressed sentiments may be, who really gives a shit? Certainly not me.

I figured out years ago that the human species is totally fucked and has been for a long time. I also know that the sick, media-consumer culture in America continues to make this so-called problem worse. But the trick, folks, is not to give a fuck. Like me. I really don't care. I stopped worrying about all this temporal bullshit a long time ago. It's meaningless. (See the preface of "Braindroppings.")

Another problem I have with "Paradox" is that the ideas are all expressed in a sort of pseudo-spiritual, New-Age-y, "Gee-whiz-can't-we-do-better-than-this" tone of voice. It's not only bad prose and poetry, it's weak philosophy. I hope I never sound like that.

HOW TO SPOT A FAKE
Here's a rule of thumb, folks: Nothing you see on the Internet is mine unless it came from one of my albums, books, HBO shows, or appeared on my website. If you see something with my name on it, and you really need to find out if it's mine, post a question on my bulletin board . But only if it's really important to you; don't fuck around with me for a lark.

-George Carlin

George Carlin that is.

Nope, he had nothing to do with this.
(And, yes, this sadly needs being said again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again.)

http://www.georgecarlin.com/home/bogus.html
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/carlin.asp

The original was a Freeper post entitled "I'm Your Worst Nightmare. I am a BAD Republican."

(Which should make some of the posters here turn a lovely shade of green. :D)

George Carlin that is.

Nope, he had nothing to do with this.
(And, yes, this sadly needs being said again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again.)

http://www.georgecarlin.com/home/bogus.html
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/carlin.asp

The original was a Freeper post entitled "I'm Your Worst Nightmare. I am a BAD Republican."

(Which should make some of the posters here turn a lovely shade of green. :D)

I always have intent in that department. Don't tempt me unless it's what you really want.

<chuckle> It will be very difficult for us to meet and enjoy each other's company. I live in Los Angeles, California, and if I read your info correctly, you live in...hmm, I've always fancied meeting someone from your part of the world. ;) I'm a grown up, I can take responsibility for flirting with another gay man.


That was mock drama. An attempt to ridicule the earlier drama in the thread. I've nothing against being called the same thing as a vegetable - it's a cute and useful vegetable.

Mock drama aside, just what is this cute and useful vegetable in the English language?

Nope, he had nothing to do with this.
(And, yes, this sadly needs being said again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again.)

http://www.georgecarlin.com/home/bogus.html
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/carlin.asp

The original was a Freeper post entitled "I'm Your Worst Nightmare. I am a BAD Republican."

(Which should make some of the posters here turn a lovely shade of green. :D)
Welcome to 100 posts ago.

(sorry man, I kinda wanted to say that even though it's unneccisarily assholish. Nuthin' but love, man...)

And this surprises who?
Pretty much.

Curious how George gets all this shit attributed to him, innit?

<chuckle> It will be very difficult for us to meet and enjoy each other's company. I live in Los Angeles, California, and if I read your info correctly, you live in...hmm, I've always fancied meeting someone from your part of the world. ;)

I doubt if Fass is in Schwarzchild's radius. Although I'd wager he has been in some black holes.

After reading the entire thread, I have a few questions:

- What is wrong with the term USian? I just dont understand, it is not as if it is insulting or anything. I could imagine that you would get pissed off if from now on you would be refered to as Asshats or Fking Imperialists, but USians isnt a negative word... Besides, I dont bitch when you call me (or my people) Dutch, even though that has absolutely nothing with the term in my own language. And I would never call myself that (in English), but that doesnt mean I get offended if other people use it.

- Why the hell does the OP not respond to the 50 people saying he posted a fake article??? Seriously, that does kinda make you kinda pathetic, if you arent even willing to respond to people who say something about your post.

<chuckle> It will be very difficult for us to meet and enjoy each other's company. I live in Los Angeles, California, and if I read your info correctly, you live in...hmm, I've always fancied meeting someone from your part of the world. ;) I'm a grown up, I can take responsibility for flirting with another gay man.

Ah, the old geographical cop-out... but flirting is always fun, and grown men do it so much better. That, and a lot of other things, which does bring us back to the tongue action and, well, I know how to service.

Mock drama aside, just what is this cute and useful vegetable in the English language?

http://www.ukagriculture.com/four_seasons/images/swede.jpg

A swede.

Welcome to 100 posts ago.

(sorry man, I kinda wanted to say that even though it's unneccisarily assholish. Nuthin' but love, man...)

No worries. I know it was posted earlier, but as I said, with some people it just needs to be said over and over and over and over again. Sometimes I suspect a baseball bat couldn't persuade some folks that their favorite ULs are only ULs and not the Red Letter truth...)

George Carlin that is.

YES, I'M A BAD AMERICAN

by: George Carlin

Rather typical white upper-class bourgeoise spiel.

Fass, if you don't stop using that derogatory and insulting word that starts with a U I'm going to have to do something. You don't use the N word and I'm sure you wouldn't want me to use the F or Q word, so why do you think it's OK to use the U word? :mad: :mad:
Peace.
What's offensive about Unites Statesian?

Well, if this thread proves anything, it proves that your average republican-supporter is as dumb as a box of bricks.
It was written by someone at freerepublic.com in 2000, and by 2001 there had been 2 dozen seperate threads started by others publishing the post, attributing it to pretty much everyone bar the guy who wrote it.

They may have ridiculed Al and anyone who supported him for his "I invented the Internet" gaff, but at least he's able to use google and the 'search' function in forums.

What's esp ironic is that someone who made one of the many threads saying exactly the same thing as everyone else had as their forum name 'freethesheeple'.

http://www.ukagriculture.com/four_seasons/images/swede.jpg

Fass...Is that you?!

how are swedes "cute"?

Fass...Is that you?!

Yes, yes, it's me.

how are swedes "cute"?

How are they not?

swedes are cute coz they are purple :D

How are they not?

because they're vegetables..

because they're vegetables..

So? That's not an acceptable answer. There are tonnes of cute vegetables, like, say, cherry tomatoes or those fractal cauliflowers. (http://www.math.toronto.edu/~drorbn/Gallery/Plants/Cauliflower-1_1280.jpg)

Fake. http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/carlin.asp
Anytime I see one of these celebrity rants, I check snopes.

So? That's not an acceptable answer. There are tonnes of cute vegetables, like, say, cherry tomatoes or those fractal cauliflowers. (http://www.math.toronto.edu/~drorbn/Gallery/Plants/Cauliflower-1_1280.jpg)

they're not cute!!!!!!!

they're not cute!!!!!!!

Sure they are. You're just a heartless person who can't see the cuteness of veggies.

No, it just makes him stupid, and I can't decide if that's a trait of a good or bad USian...

Why, it's Floss!

I have no idea why people get upset about USian. How is it insulting?

But to Fass, about the "I dont know if stupid is a trait of a good or bad American" : is your stance that you really hate all USians? It's just shitty to say the things you say about people who live in the states because not all of us are bad. Some of us are really nice people, whom I sure you'd get along with nicely. Every country has assholes. Don't assume we are all like that please.

I assume that Fass does not represent all Swedes.

Why, it's Floss!

Hiya, Klitsistan! I thought we had agreed on Fuss?

Based on your examples there, surely you should be called an "Unitish", or "Unitan" or indeed an "UnitedStatesofAmericaish", since every other one of your examples use the whole country's name.
For example: inhabitants of New Zealand are called New Zealanders, not Zealanders. The whole country's name is used.

btw, the Swedes don't call themselves Swedish (prob also Mexicans). Only English-speakers call them that.
Which means that if you feel it's ok to use a term to describe them that they don't use themselves, then it logically follows that it's ok for them to use a term to describe you that you wouldn't use yourself.
So feel free to describe yourself as an American. BUT don't get all upset and whiny when someone from a different cultural and langauge background uses a different, non-derogatory, term to describe you.

I may be incorrect, but I recall people saying that Mexico was called The United States of Mexico in its own language....

Have a nice three day vacation, Cromyr.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11181492&postcount=83

*ahem* That had already been dealt with. This is double jeopardy.

Have a nice three day vacation, Cromyr.

...Is it okay to laugh...?

I will get upset, I have done nothing to that bastard, yet he treats every american like a pile of dog shit. I am sick and tired of being referred to as something I am not.

You know what? Fuck it all. Fuck this goddamn forum straight in the ass.

Watch it.

Sure they are. You're just a heartless person who can't see the cuteness of veggies.

i can't see something that aint there

i can't see something that aint there

You can't see, it would seem.

Fass, you called a tomato a veggie? Oh dear. Schoolboy error.

Harumph... all this talk of vegetables has made me hungry. I am going to go get a salad.

Harumph... all this talk of vegetables has made me hungry. I am going to go get a salad.

Eating salad when hungry... Something about that just doesn't sound quite right.

Fass, you called a tomato a veggie? Oh dear. Schoolboy error.

Tomatoes are vegetables.

yeah, tomatoes are vegetables

I've only seen George Carlin twice: as Mr. Conductor on "Shining Time Station"


I know this is a little off topic but was the conducter Ringo Star?
and it doesnt stike me as Carlin either

I know this is a little off topic but was the conducter Ringo Star?
and it doesnt stike me as Carlin either

Both played that part. I don't recall if it was Carlin first, then Starr.

yeah, tomatoes are vegetables

http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/aboutother/tomato

I believe it awesome, that Nationstates, somthing created to be somwhat fun and basically a waist of time (as a promotion for a book), has a forum full of (typically crass) debate, which typically isn't fun and is an even bigger waist of time.

Both played that part. I don't recall if it was Carlin first, then Starr.

It's amazing kids didn't learn The Seven Little Words :D

Yes, yes, it's me.
Oh, wait.
Here you are:
http://www.cupojo.net/1images/swede.gif
^^Fass^^

Both played that part. I don't recall if it was Carlin first, then Starr.
It was originally Starr, but then Carlin took over for most of it.

Ah, the old geographical cop-out... but flirting is always fun, and grown men do it so much better. That, and a lot of other things, which does bring us back to the tongue action and, well, I know how to service.


Perhaps a nice meeting point somewhere near the middle? ;) I know it's hard, but perhaps I can soften the blow and lick this problem.

You're right, it is a cute and useful item. :p

I doubt if Fass is in Schwarzchild's radius. Although I'd wager he has been in some black holes.

Physics puns abound! My compliments, Gartref!

It's quite simple, Fass. From a very young age, US citizens are inculcated with the ignorant notion that they are somehow exceptional, and superior to folks in other countries. The problem starts with the daily Pledge of Allegiance (as if one's citizenship wears off overnight) and continues in their learning about, and accepting as fact, the invented myths about their sainted founding fathers.

They are taught that they have a divine right either to ignore and neglect the rest of humanity or to interfere where they're not wanted, as the whim strikes them -- and of course, whatever whim strikes them is by definition a good whim, because it's American. This feeling of exceptionalism never quite leaves them, no matter how much the rest of us would like to beat it out of them.

I don't see how the Pledge of Allegiance is even close to a form of propaganda. It does not mention any other country as being inferior, and it certainly doesn't say anything that great about our country.

To correct your statement about the Founding Fathers, most students in America could give a damn about them. Sure they know who they are, but I've never heard Washington referred to as a saint.

You're whole little statement about having a "divine right either to ignore and neglect the rest of humanity or to interfere where they're not wanted" could not be farther from the truth. The USA is one of the top countries in the world to donate to humanitarian aid. We pour taxes into Africa, all the other 3rd world countries, and all the countries that we have harmed in some way. This is because WE ARE a powerful nation. We are one of the few remaining world superpowers. Aside from the rising power in China, we are the only superpower left from the Cold War. Since that is the case, of course other countries turn to us for help.

Finally, I'd like to add, that we do realize your opinion about wanting us to go away. To be honest, I agree with you. We should keep all of our money, stop outsourcing our jobs, open up our own manufacturing plants, and we should close the borders. I'm sure that would make you happy since our opinions would no longer affect you. I think isolationism was a great thing, and the 1920s were a great time in our past. However, our obligation to the UN and our dedication to helping countries like Japan, Germany, and Israel keep us from doing so.

"This feeling of exceptionalism never quite leaves them, no matter how much the rest of us would like to beat it out of them"-- It has been tried before to "put us in our place," but everytime it has failed. I especially love this statement coming from a person in the terrifying nation of Canada.

Actually, as a percentage of it's GDP, the US donates very little.
"The United States is the world's largest contributor of ODA in absolute terms ($15.7 billion, 2003), but the smallest among developed countries as a percentage of its GDP (0.14% in 2003)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aid