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Wow... how many corners they gonna get? This is getting tense...

minute 86:

Italian player about to score (inside the box) is clearly off-side.. NOT CALLED.

How is it 1-1? Shouldnt ITaly have smashed us by now?
I just turned it on.

Finally a goal kick.... WTF??? That was a goal kick!

And I really don't like being called or compared to a nazi. You brought that topic into this thread. Others can look out for themselves.

Listen buckoo, we were having a good natured argument about referees, which is a time honored tradition in all sports. Nothing personal. No name calling. You were the one who invited me and my country to get out of FIFA and the World Cup, because obviously we know nothing about the sport or the rules (by the way it is the World "Series," not world serious).

You want to keep this on a sports fan level? I'm willing. You want to be insulting? I can go there too. I have nothing against the Germans or Europeans. I like Europe and have enjoyed my visits there. However, I'm not going to apologize for being an American, no matter how new we are at this sport.

I'm starting to freak out. Its getting too close with Italy. Just hold them a little longer.

How is it 1-1? Shouldnt ITaly have smashed us by now?
I just turned it on.
I am surprised as well

Italy has been playing like crap

and the USA has been playing ok

Ummm, can't touch the ball with your hands Beasley ;)

and thats it

Final whistle. Well, that was possibly the most interesting game of the tournament so far.

DRAW!

That was a victory for the U.S., considering the officiating.

How embarrassing for the Italians...

USA 1 Italy 1. Final.

After the crap calls from the officials I'd call this at least a partial victory for the USA.

Let's all now laugh at the Italians: a-hahahaha, you tied to the US! hahahaha!

Grrrrr... let's hear the press conference with the US coach ;)

Final whistle. Well, that was possibly the most interesting game of the tournament so far.

Very interesting, I'll give it that much.

I'm pretty shocked at the Italian botch of the second half, and I'm distressed that the USA team only get a draw because of a botch by the Italian team...

Should make the next couple of games in the group fun to watch, though...

Listen buckoo, we were having a good natured argument about referees, which is a time honored tradition in all sports. Nothing personal. No name calling. You were the one who invited me and my country to get out of FIFA and the World Cup, because obviously we know nothing about the sport or the rules (by the way it is the World "Series," not world serious).

You want to keep this on a sports fan level? I'm willing. You want to be insulting? I can go there too. I have nothing against the Germans or Europeans. I like Europe and have enjoyed my visits there. However, I'm not going to apologize for being an American, no matter how new we are at this sport.
a) What's a buckoo?
b) "good natured argument" is not what had been going on. Justified decisions like those 2 red cards and that one yellow-red were being seriously questioned, although the slomos clearly showed what had happened on the field.
c) Honored tradition whatever - if the referee does a good job (which in this game he honestly did) and people don't buy it and start talking trash, I will say so.
d) About the US leaving the FIFA - More than once in the last couple of days I have read on this very board that the US don't give a shit about football, that the FIFA is anti-American, etc, etc.
If the shoe fits...
e) Sports fan level? Sure. But then you ought to have accepted the ref's decisions and/or said something about those claims made by your compatriots - which you didn't.
f) If you weren't biased against the Germans you wouldn't have made the nazi comparison.
g) I have visited the US fairly often and spent quite some time there. I like its people and the country. But simply because you are from the US doesn't mean that when it comes to the rules you can bend them to suit you.
h) The US isn't that new to football.

WTF? How is it 1-1?
I just turned it on.
Yeah, WTF indeed..

the 13th ranked team managed to tie with the 4th powerhouse. :D :D :p :D

The referee from Uruguay who handed out all the red cards was suspended in 2002 for “irregularities.” The complaint was brought by other referees.

Let's all now laugh at the Italians: a-hahahaha, you tied to the US! hahahaha!

Well, I imagine that we (as Italians) will have to live with that :(

However, honors to the US, they played a brave game. Our own goal was ridiculous, and I don't think that the refereeing was bad (watching slow-mo, every decision was correct, except a couple of off-sides, but these are the hardest calls.

US deserved every bit of this draw, Italy should have done better, Ghana has a huge opportunity to make history...

People, people, calm down. This is football, it's not worth starting a war over.
Actually lets go back to 1960 or so and the "Soccer War" between Nicuragua and EL Salvador? Or was it two different countries, or am i just goood?

Well, I imagine that we (as Italians) will have to live with that :(

However, honors to the US, they played a brave game. Our own goal was ridiculous, and I don't think that the refereeing was bad (watching slow-mo, every decision was correct, except a couple of off-sides, but these are the hardest calls.

US deserved every bit of this draw, Italy should have done better, Ghana has a huge opportunity to make history...
oh yeah we defeinately deserved a straight red card for a late tackle:rolleyes:

..(by the way it is the World "Series," not world serious).he probably meant "World Boredom"

BTW pulling the Nazi word is very childish.. specially in a sports thread (whoever did that)

Well, well... Ghana wins, US draws Italy. Group E just got very interesting...

The referee from Uruguay who handed out all the red cards was suspended in 2002 for “irregularities.” The complaint was brought by other referees.

Evidence please....

oh yeah we defeinately deserved a straight red card for a late tackle:rolleyes:

Sticking to the rules, it's a fair decision. Clearly, hitting someone with your elbow is not comparable. In a couple of minutes, those two ****heads of ours have messed up the game...:headbang:

If the referee that gave out the red cards works another game this World Cup, my name's Bob.

a) What's a buckoo?
b) "good natured argument" is not what had been going on. Justified decisions like those 2 red cards and that one yellow-red were being seriously questioned, although the slomos clearly showed what had happened on the field.
c) Honored tradition whatever - if the referee does a good job (which in this game he honestly did) and people don't buy it and start talking trash, I will say so.
d) About the US leaving the FIFA - More than once in the last couple of days I have read on this very board that the US don't give a shit about football, that the FIFA is anti-American, etc, etc.
If the shoe fits...
e) Sports fan level? Sure. But then you ought to have accepted the ref's decisions and/or said something about those claims made by your compatriots - which you didn't.
f) If you weren't biased against the Germans you wouldn't have made the nazi comparison.
g) I have visited the US fairly often and spent quite some time there. I like its people and the country. But simply because you are from the US doesn't mean that when it comes to the rules you can bend them to suit you.
h) The US isn't that new to football.

Where I am from we give the officials heat when they deserve it. You play nice and don't say bad things about the refs? Good. I don't. And in this case they did not call a good game, for the US or Italy. The Uruguay official who had been suspended four years ago for irregularities should have never been calling a came at this level.

By the way, I never used the term Nazi. I made a crack about invading Poland to get under your skin, which it obviously did.

Well, well... Ghana wins, US draws Italy. Group E just got very interesting...



Evidence please....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_Larrionda

Well, I imagine that we (as Italians) will have to live with that :(

However, honors to the US, they played a brave game. Our own goal was ridiculous, and I don't think that the refereeing was bad (watching slow-mo, every decision was correct, except a couple of off-sides, but these are the hardest calls.

US deserved every bit of this draw, Italy should have done better, Ghana has a huge opportunity to make history...good post.

and.. Cograts @ US team too.. earned a tie against a very talented side.

Jorge Larrionda (born March 9, 1968) is a football referee from Uruguay. Larrionda is a referee at the 2006 FIFA World Cup.

Was not allowed to referee during the 2002 FIFA World Cup for "irregularities".[1]

Larrionda was selected as a referee for the 2002 FIFA World Cup, but was suspended for six months by the Uruguayan football association two days after his selection, and was dropped from the list of referees. He was selected again for the 2006 World Cup, at which his performance in the United States National Soccer Team–Italy National Football Team match drew heavy criticism from American supporters. In the match, Larrionda became only the fourth referee to send off three players in a single World Cup finals match, after sending off Italy's Daniele De Rossi and the United States' Pablo Mastroeni and Eddie Pope.

Jorge Larrionda (born March 9, 1968) is a football referee from Uruguay. Larrionda is a referee at the 2006 FIFA World Cup.

Was not allowed to referee during the 2002 FIFA World Cup for "irregularities".[1]

Larrionda was selected as a referee for the 2002 FIFA World Cup, but was suspended for six months by the Uruguayan football association two days after his selection, and was dropped from the list of referees. He was selected again for the 2006 World Cup, at which his performance in the United States National Soccer Team–Italy National Football Team match drew heavy criticism from American supporters. In the match, Larrionda became only the fourth referee to send off three players in a single World Cup finals match, after sending off Italy's Daniele De Rossi and the United States' Pablo Mastroeni and Eddie Pope.
some one pleeeeeeeeeeeese tell me why hes a ref in the WORLD CUP??

The Uruguay official who had been suspended four years ago for irregularities should have never been calling a came at this level.

You haven't the faintest idea what the irregularities were so saying that they precluded him is a bit much. The very fact that he was only suspended and then allowed to referee this world cup, not to mention the Olympics and other international games suggests it can't have been that damning.

Actually lets go back to 1960 or so and the "Soccer War" between Nicuragua and EL Salvador? Or was it two different countries, or am i just goood?

It was Honduras and El Salvador.

However, honors to the US, they played a brave game. Our own goal was ridiculous, and I don't think that the refereeing was bad (watching slow-mo, every decision was correct, except a couple of off-sides, but these are the hardest calls.
Thank you.
Seriously, everybody on TV here (including former Swiss world-class referee Urs Meier) is pretty much raving about the referee - they looked at all the replays from a billion different angles, and they have nothing but praise for his decisions (apart from those couple of off-sides, like you said, but show me a game where those don't happen).

The Italians are not complaining about the officiating. Americans are. As an avid sports fan -- I am a Pittsburgh Steeler fan -- that usually means something. After the Super Bowl, Seattle fans were fuming about the officials, while Steeler fans were wondering what the fuss was about... and many questionable calls went Pittsburgh's way.

In this case it could just mean that the game meant more to the U.S. team than it did to Italy, but after calming down, I still feel the 2nd yellow was absurd.

You haven't the faintest idea what the irregularities were so saying that they precluded him is a bit much. The very fact that he was only suspended and then allowed to referee this world cup, not to mention the Olympics and other international games suggests it can't have been that damning.

Tell me, given what you saw today and what you know about him, do you want him calling your team's next game?

Thank you.
Seriously, everybody on TV here (including former Swiss world-class referee Urs Meier) is pretty much raving about the referee - they looked at all the replays from a billion different angles, and they have nothing but praise for his decisions (apart from those couple of off-sides, like you said, but show me a game where those don't happen).
Does Urs Meier still get death threats? I seriously don't know why they do it. The most they'll get is a grudging admission or very rare praise that they made some difficult calls fairly. At worst they get threats against their life.

Does Urs Meier still get death threats? I seriously don't know why they do it. The most they'll get is a grudging admission or very rare praise that they made some difficult calls fairly. At worst they get threats against their life.
Sorry, I didn't get that. Who's "they"? And what are they doing? [/stupid]

Tell me, given what you saw today and what you know about him, do you want him calling your team's next game?
I don't really have any feelings either way on the matter. I certainly don't think the past irregularities would have any effect on that opinion.

Sorry, I didn't get that. Who's "they"? And what are they doing? [/stupid]
Sorry. Referees like Urs Meier who got serious amounts of stick for the Euro 04 Portugal England game and the Uruguayan referee who is picking up flak for this game, just for doing their job in difficult circumstances.

Where I am from we give the officials heat when they deserve it. You play nice and don't say bad things about the refs? Good. I don't. And in this case they did not call a good game, for the US or Italy. The Uruguay official who had been suspended four years ago for irregularities should have never been calling a came at this level.
This I might even agree on, even though I highly doubt that those two calls which resulted in red cards would've been made differently by other referees.


By the way, I never used the term Nazi. I made a crack about invading Poland to get under your skin, which it obviously did.
No, you didn't straight out call me a nazi. You asked
Are we letting you folks run your own country yet? I forget.
which already is an effrontery.
And then you posted
Hey, Fritz, I'm not the one who started with the insults. Can't take the heat then don't invade Poland.
using the slur for Germans the Allies used during WWII, and refered to Nazi Germany's invasion of Poland.
That's simply not funny and I let you know that.

That said, no harm done on this side of the big pond and I'm pretty sure that you're alright yourself "over there".

(And I would call for an armistice when it doesn't involve anything like the Versailles Treaty) [That's a crack! :D]

You haven't the faintest idea what the irregularities were so saying that they precluded him is a bit much. The very fact that he was only suspended and then allowed to referee this world cup, not to mention the Olympics and other international games suggests it can't have been that damning.

A six-month suspension for something not damning?! Wow. A ref is not going to be suspended for SIX MONTHS for nothing.

Thank you.
Seriously, everybody on TV here (including former Swiss world-class referee Urs Meier) is pretty much raving about the referee

I don't know what that proves. "Everybody" here on ESPN is calling this one of the worst officiated games they have seen.

A six-month suspension for something not damning?! Wow. A ref is not going to be suspended for SIX MONTHS for nothing.
No it clearly wasn't nothing, but if there were doubts about his judgement they would have just kicked him out. They wouldn't have then let him referee the 2003 FIFA Confederations Cup, the 2006 world cup preliminaries, the football at the 2004 Olympics, the FIFA World Youth Championship 2005, the FIFA U-17 World Championship 2005 and the 2006 world cup finals games

(And I would call for an armistice when it doesn't involve anything like the Versailles Treaty) [That's a crack! :D]

Done.

I apologize for the "Fritz" and "Poland" cracks. The more time that passes since the end of the game the lower my blood pressure goes.

I don't know what that proves. "Everybody" here on ESPN is calling this one of the worst officiated games they have seen.
And I think the ref did a fine job.

The Italians are not complaining about the officiating. Americans are. As an avid sports fan -- I am a Pittsburgh Steeler fan -- that usually means something.

Maybe. But if I wished, I could have complained about, say, a penalty for Iaquinta being clearly pulled by his shirt, or for a couple of off-sides wrongly called (the US played the whole 2nd half trying to offside Italian forwards). But this would be childish: you always have some questionable decision from a ref; this one, in my view, was consistent and fair.

Italy should have won, and if we didn't it's our fault. Period. As for the Steelers, I couldn't say: I understand something about American Football, but not enough... but don't you have "challenge-the-call" there?

I'm glad to see that we Americans have finally realized that soccer is not our comparative advantage...so our guys have wisely calculated that the best thing to do is to "outsource" our goals to the Italian and Ghanese teams :-).

God I love capitalism! We'll win this World Cup yet!

That Ref though will never get a visa to come to the US...

Sincerely,

The Oppressed Peoples of Diocletian's Harem

Sorry. Referees like Urs Meier who got serious amounts of stick for the Euro 04 Portugal England game and the Uruguayan referee who is picking up flak for this game, just for doing their job in difficult circumstances.
Ah, okay.

I don't know what that proves. "Everybody" here on ESPN is calling this one of the worst officiated games they have seen.
Well, it doesn't prove anything. It's just that I (and dare I say everybody else here) have much less knowledge and experience than, well, people who have been soccer commentators or have refereed international games for half their lives. Now, especially the commentators are a very mixed bag, no doubt about that, but this one did actually a very good job.
And I certainly don't want to blindly bash ESPN, but what I've heard (on this forum and on another one) about their commentators, they don't seem very competent (again, this is obviously "hearsay" and I'm prepared to eat my words :p).
Finally, I think it's a no-brainer to believe an "impartial jury" (i.e. in this case those German TV guys) over that of an involved party. Assuming basic competence, of course.

Done.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/peace-smiley.jpg
*shakehands*

I apologize for the "Fritz" and "Poland" cracks. The more time that passes since the end of the game the lower my blood pressure goes.
Don't worry about it, it's not like I'm known to bear a grudge.
Adrenaline's a bitch, though, I tell ya ;) [How do I know? Well... works the same here!]

I'm just glad that this game is over and nothing has been decided in that group yet. I wish each and everyone good luck for the last games in that group and hope to see good games next time they all play.

[That said, I think my own blood pressure has returned to normal levels as well]

Take care: Good fight, good night :p

One last word:

None other than Franz Beckenbauer called the straight red card against the U.S. for the slide tackle (the one I was going nuts over) "absolutely disgraceful".

I don't know what that proves. "Everybody" here on ESPN is calling this one of the worst officiated games they have seen.
Ok. So we can go by the comments of people on German tv, or by the comments of people on American tv. Which, of those two, is likely to be the most biased?

Ok. So we can go by the comments of people on German tv, or by the comments of people on American tv. Which, of those two, is likely to be the most biased?
I wouldn't call it one of the worst but i say America got shafted!

Ahh, this is FUNNY. It's almost as if the US is dragging Italy down.
LOL
YAY!

Cough:D Cough (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11179177&postcount=33)

Good result for the US. Group E is living up to its historic name as the group of death.

Cough:D Cough (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11179177&postcount=33)
quite the prophet you are
:p

now if the US beats Ghana and Italy beats Czech, we actually advance. There are other scenarios, but it would require US beating Ghana by 4-5 goals, and I doubt that can happen. Still, we can celebrate tonight.

Good result for the US. Group E is living up to its historic name as the group of death.
Except it was group C that got named the group of death by just about everyone.

quite the prophet you are
:p

now if the US beats Ghana and Italy beats Czech, we actually advance. There are other scenarios, but it would require US beating Ghana by 4-5 goals, and I doubt that can happen. Still, we can celebrate tonight.
Yeah, but I reckon Ghana will beat the US. That would mean they qualify, along with the winners of Italy - Czech Rep, or Italy if that ends as a draw.

Yeah, but I reckon Ghana will beat the US. That would mean they qualify, along with the winners of Italy - Czech Rep, or Italy if that ends as a draw.

As such: GO GHANA! :D

It was one of the more entertaining matches Ive seen thus far. Good result, both teams played well. The Ref was horrible, he should never been allowed back on the pitch. That 1st red card for the US was bullshit. It was a yellow, no doubt but not a red. Warn the guy about late tackles, dont throw him out.

The Ref was horrible, he should never been allowed back on the pitch. That 1st red card for the US was bullshit. It was a yellow, no doubt but not a red. Warn the guy about late tackles, dont throw him out.

You know, Sovietstan, that seems to be the consensus of the people on this message board. ;)

You know, Sovietstan, that seems to be the consensus of the people on this message board. ;)
yes, I know thank you. I wasnt able to post earlier but I had to get it off my chest(not sure why), even if it had been repeated several times before.
edit: I think it was because it pissed me off and its not good to keep rage built up;)

yes, I know thank you. I wasnt able to post earlier but I had to get it off my chest(not sure why), even if it had been repeated several times before.
edit: I think it was because it pissed me off and its not good to keep rage built up;)

Actually, I was exaggerating. If you look back you'll see we got rather heated, with people split between those defending the ref and others (myself included) who wanted him FedEx'ed back to Uruguay one organ at a time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_Larrionda

Excellent. Thank you.

Oh, and I just talked to my father, who used to referee at the local amature and universitry level. He says 1st and second reds were good calls, but 3rd was questionable.

Anyway, we kept Italy to 1-1, playing 9 on 10, which makes me happy (and my Italian neighbors are sulking... :D)

quite the prophet you are
:p

now if the US beats Ghana and Italy beats Czech, we actually advance. There are other scenarios, but it would require US beating Ghana by 4-5 goals, and I doubt that can happen. Still, we can celebrate tonight.
I want all four teams to go through.:headbang:

I want all four teams to go through.:headbang:

If Italy beat the Czechs and the US defeats Ghana the reward for the Americans will be a second round meeting with Brazil.

Well done USA!

I see the Czechs crashing to Italy (due to all those red cards). USA did well against Italy and need to repeat against Ghana - and win.

If Italy beat the Czechs and the US defeats Ghana the reward for the Americans will be a second round meeting with Brazil.


Oh, great. We go through all this, and all we get for it is to be sacrificed to the Brazillian Soccer God. :headbang:

Oh, great. We go through all this, and all we get for it is to be sacrificed to the Brazillian Soccer God. :headbang:


oh dear god, what a pleasure that would be.:rolleyes:

I just want to see America get to play again!

This is what, THE first time the team has had a real chance just to make it this far. God isn't the only one who knows we deserve it!

USA!!!!

All is not lost. We could beat Brazil. Of course the chances are better that'll I'll win the lotto, but I can dream. :D

All is not lost. We could beat Brazil. Of course the chances are better that'll I'll win the lotto, but I can dream. :D
Brazil hardly impressed in the game against Croatia. They'll probably get their act together by their 4th game though.

And the US won't beat Ghana, not without Pope. He's their best defender by far, and Ghana have a great attack.

oh dear god, what a pleasure that would be.:rolleyes:

I just want to see America get to play again!

This is what, THE first time the team has had a real chance just to make it this far. God isn't the only one who knows we deserve it!

USA!!!!
You mean unlike at the last World Cup, when you clearly didn't have a chance to get to the quarter finals? Or at the first ever World Cup when you got to the semi finals?

Except it was group C that got named the group of death by just about everyone.
For some strange reason, the Group of Death has always been historicaly associated with Group E.

Italy were shite yesterday. They played like the Czechs, no-one could be arsed to close-down and they were relying on individual talents to win the game for them. Gattuso carries this lazy, lazy team.

*dances around and cheers on Italy against Czech Republic*

For some strange reason, the Group of Death has always been historicaly associated with Group E.

Lets see...

I live in a guest house with a multitude of nationalities (including Ghanan, Italian, Japanese, Australian, Brazilian, English, USA, German, French, and probably a few WC nations I've forgotten). All the serious fans hasve said Group E's this year's death group. (The nit so serious fans haven't commented either way...)

Oh, and on the officiating: my downstairs Italian neighbors both mentioined they though the officiating was bad - BOTH WAYS.

what a scandalous referee...ridcolous...:sniper:

Lets see...

I live in a guest house with a multitude of nationalities (including Ghanan, Italian, Japanese, Australian, Brazilian, English, USA, German, French, and probably a few WC nations I've forgotten). All the serious fans hasve said Group E's this year's death group. (The nit so serious fans haven't commented either way...)

Oh, and on the officiating: my downstairs Italian neighbors both mentioined they though the officiating was bad - BOTH WAYS.

The officiating has been atrocious the whole tournament.

I don't know, there have been a few games where I thought the ref did a good job. The Germany - Poland game and the Aussie - Brazil game both had decent refs in my opinion. Much would of rather had those refs in the US - Italy game than the one we had.

Arghhhh!
Always whining about referees. There hasn't been any tournament where the referees were thought to be doing a good job.

The refs did a good job in the Brasil-Australia match today.

Arghhhh!
Always whining about referees. There hasn't been any tournament where the referees were thought to be doing a good job.

But...but...the referees hate the USA's freedoms!

But...but...the referees hate the USA's freedoms!
rofl:D

What, so the US can come in halfway through the last game, nuke the referee and forever claim that without them the winners would have lost?
:eek:
Bravo!:D

The refs did a good job in the Brasil-Australia match today.
That was Markus Merk. He better do a good job, I think he might be the one to take over from 'Mr. Staring Italian' as the top referee.

That was Markus Merk. He better do a good job, I think he might be the one to take over from 'Mr. Staring Italian' as the top referee.
lol
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I was expecting Italy to choke in that pool Czechs to come 1st Italians second USA 3rd and Ghana 4th.

The officiating has been atrocious the whole tournament.

Now ain't this the sad and sorry truth :(

You mean unlike at the last World Cup, when you clearly didn't have a chance to get to the quarter finals? Or at the first ever World Cup when you got to the semi finals?
Or in '94 when they did alright.