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When it comes to who should get snipped, or get her tubes tied. I always hear that the guy should get snipped because it's safer, simplier, etc. However, I've been under the knife pleanlty of times, too much to be exact. So, I'm wondering, should I subject myself to yet another sugery just to save her from surgery even though she may never had any, or would I be justified if I asked her to go under the knife instead of me?

This is a competely hypothetical question BTW.

When it comes to who should get snipped, or get her tubes tied. I always hear that the guy should get snipped because it's safer, simplier, etc. However, I've been under the knife pleanlty of times, too much to be exact. So, I'm wondering, should I subject myself to yet another sugery just to save her from surgery even though she may never had any, or would I be justified if I asked her to go under the knife instead of me?
Actually, since you already have the experience you should feel more comfortable. Besides, it's far faaar easier to do in men.

When it comes to who should get snipped, or get her tubes tied. I always hear that the guy should get snipped because it's safer, simplier, etc. However, I've been under the knife pleanlty of times, too much to be exact. So, I'm wondering, should I subject myself to yet another sugery just to save her from surgery even though she may never had any, or would I be justified if I asked her to go under the knife instead of me?

This is a competely hypothetical question BTW.

Well, theoretically every time a surgery happens, there is a risk of dying. So, if you really don't care about the added risk that you are asking her to take... THEN WHY ARE YOU WITH HER????

Thank you. :D

Actually, since you already have the experience you should feel more comfortable. Besides, it's far faaar easier to do in men.

Dude, you never get comfortable with surgery. Trust me, I know...

Well, theoretically every time a surgery happens, there is a risk of dying. So, if you really don't care about the added risk that you are asking her to take... THEN WHY ARE YOU WITH HER????

Thank you. :D

Because I love her, care about her, etc.

Because I love her, care about her, etc.

:rolleyes: That's my point. You don't love her.

:rolleyes: That's my point. You don't love her.

So, subjecting myself to about 30 some odd surgeries in my lifetime, while my wife may have only had her tonsil removed, that means I should subject myself to more surgery just because I have the "experience" and that somehow it will equate to love?

When it comes to who should get snipped, or get her tubes tied. I always hear that the guy should get snipped because it's safer, simplier, etc. However, I've been under the knife pleanlty of times, too much to be exact. So, I'm wondering, should I subject myself to yet another sugery just to save her from surgery even though she may never had any, or would I be justified if I asked her to go under the knife instead of me?

This is a competely hypothetical question BTW.
both of you should discuss it and come to an agreement.

I think I read somewhere that the Tube Tying isn't 100%.

So, subjecting myself to about 30 some odd surgeries in my lifetime, while my wife may have only had her tonsil removed, that means I should subject myself to more surgery just because I have the "experience" and that somehow it will equate to love?

No... if you love her, you are not going to ask her to put herself at an unnecessary risk of dying.

both of you should discuss it and come to an agreement.

I think I read somewhere that the Tube Tying isn't 100%.

It's also higher risk in terms of death. :/

both of you should discuss it and come to an agreement.

I think I read somewhere that the Tube Tying isn't 100%.

Of course, as we know from CHEAPER BY THE DOZEN, neither is a vasectomy.

No... if you love her, you are not going to ask her to put herself at an unnecessary risk of dying.

How high are we talking about? and please, a valid source, no Wiki doesn't count.

The man should get the surgery done. Having had surgeries before, more in comparison to the woman, is not a valid consideration in that decision. Personal risk is, and it's a lot lower for men than it is for women. Having ones genitals on the outside of ones body makes all the difference in this case.

I'd also like to add that actively looking for excuses to avoid ones personal responsibility only results in making oneself look bad.

Ballotonia

The man should get the surgery done. Having had surgeries before, more in comparison to the woman, is not a valid consideration in that decision. Personal risk is, and it's a lot lower for men than it is for women. Having ones genitals on the outside of ones body makes all the difference in this case.

I'd also like to add that actively looking for excuses to avoid ones personal responsibility only results in making oneself look bad.

Ballotonia

Case and point. Don't make me search for the source when it's basic knowledge based upon common knowledge. That's like making me search for a source that says that cats, in general, meow.

The man should get the surgery done. Having had surgeries before, more in comparison to the woman, is not a valid consideration in that decision. Personal risk is, and it's a lot lower for men than it is for women. Having ones genitals on the outside of ones body makes all the difference in this case.

I'd also like to add that actively looking for excuses to avoid ones personal responsibility only results in making oneself look bad.

Ballotonia

But don't women also have a personal responsibility in birth controls?

Case and point. Don't make me search for the source when it's basic knowledge based upon common knowledge. That's like making me search for a source that says that cats, in general, meow.

Well I didn't know about this higher risk until today, so no it's not common knowledge, and my kitten yelp sometimes.

Well I didn't know about this higher risk until today, so no it's not common knowledge, and my kitten yelp sometimes.
however, do not take our words for it, consult doctors. Get Second Opinions. They might have options that you never considered.

Well I didn't know about this higher risk until today, so no it's not common knowledge, and my cats yelp sometimes.

Did NOT say that cats ONLY meow. And I said that it's basic logic using common knowledge. The common knowledge is the genitalia involved and the location, and the stuff involved with death in surgery, like too much bleeding. Then logic comes into play.

however, do not take our words for it, consult doctors. Get Second Opinions. They might have options that you never considered.

Like condoms and birth control pills.
And they can give actual figures...
Plus, since when are NSers the right people for medical advice. Off to doctors with you! Er... when such an occasion arises, rather than being hypothetical...

Did NOT say that cats ONLY meow. And I said that it's basic logic using common knowledge. The common knowledge is the genitalia involved and the location, and the stuff involved with death in surgery, like too much bleeding. Then logic comes into play.

You have never been under the kinfe haven't ya? In my last surgery I lost about 50% of my blood, I was weak when I got out, but after a blood transfusion I was ok. There really isn't that much risk in surgery anymore, what with the advance in medical technology, etc. You really should reasearch how many surgeries are done in the US annually and how many people die while in the OR annually.

You have never been under the kinfe haven't ya? In my last surgery I lost about 50% of my blood, I was weak when I got out, but after a blood transfusion I was ok. There really isn't that much risk in surgery anymore, what with the advance in medical technology, etc. You really should reasearch how many surgeries are done in the US annually and how many people die while in the OR annually.

And when did I say the risk was high? I just said that you would be putting her at an unnecessary risk. And that her risk is higher than yours.

And when did I say the risk was high? I just said that you would be putting her at an unnecessary risk. And that her risk is higher than yours.

How is it an unecessary risk?

How is it an unecessary risk?

Because she doesn't HAVE to undergo surgery and have that added risk. You could. Or you guys could do something not involving surgery. Therefore, unnecessary.

Well, the recovery period for a woman is about six weeks. During that time they're effectively crippled. The recovery time for a man is one afternoon.

Well, the recovery period for a woman is about six weeks. During that time they're effectively crippled. The recovery time for a man is one afternoon.

*laughes so hard my face turn red* Yea, guys can recover from surgery that quick. :rolleyes:

When it comes to who should get snipped, or get her tubes tied. I always hear that the guy should get snipped because it's safer, simplier, etc. However, I've been under the knife pleanlty of times, too much to be exact. So, I'm wondering, should I subject myself to yet another sugery just to save her from surgery even though she may never had any, or would I be justified if I asked her to go under the knife instead of me?

This is a competely hypothetical question BTW.
nope, not really.

vasectomy is an outpatient procedure, faster recovery, higher sucess rate, safer and no need for general anesthesia.

be a man, go get snipped.

Because she doesn't HAVE to undergo surgery and have that added risk. You could. Or you guys could do something not involving surgery. Therefore, unnecessary.

The same could be said about the guy.

Well, the recovery period for a woman is about six weeks. During that time they're effectively crippled. The recovery time for a man is one afternoon.

...
One night, perhaps, assuming he starts in good health and there are no complications, sure. One afternoon? ...

The same could be said about the guy.

Yes. Which is why she should be trying to take up the surgery herself. Get it?

the real question is Why. even tho it is hypothetical, why have the procedure done?

*laughes so hard my face turn red* Yea, guys can recover from surgery that quick. :rolleyes:
Oh, no, I'm not kidding. Vasectomies are done under local anesthetic and take approximately thirty minutes, which minimizes risk and recovery time. You'll be able to walk out of the hospital the same day, perhaps feeling a little sore but otherwise fine. A woman would NOT be able to walk out the same day, perhaps not even the same week.

nope, not really.

vasectomy is an outpatient procedure, faster recovery, higher sucess rate, safer and no need for general anesthesia.

be a man, go get snipped.

I wonder if anyone in this thread have had at least one surgery? and no, getting your tonsil out doesn't count.

Oh, no, I'm not kidding. Vasectomies are done under local anesthetic and take approximately thirty minutes, which minimizes risk and recovery time. You'll be able to walk out of the hospital the same day, perhaps feeling a little sore but otherwise fine. A woman would NOT be able to walk out the same day, perhaps not even the same week.

Yea, but like the woman, the man could have complication too.

*laughes so hard my face turn red* Yea, guys can recover from surgery that quick. :rolleyes:
do you know the procedure?

they give you a shot in the scrot, cut, pull out the tube, cut, tie, burn, sew up. The end.

they don't even put you to sleep. recovery (for hubby) about 3 days, much better after the first day though.

her... they put to sleep, intubate, cut, tie, burn sew up, the end
recovery 6-8 weeks.

Ahem: You.

'Snipping' is short and painless (I think you get put under an anesthetic). Tube tying is not. Like The Minset said, the recovery time for snipping is about an afternoon, and tube tying is a crippling six weeks. Tube tying is incredibly permanent, but there are great strides towards reversing snipping. So... crippling, pain and permanant for you -dear- love, or painless, short recovery, and the possibility of reversal some day. I'm sorry, you said you liked this girl, right? Don't do that to her.

Anyway, asking a political web forum isn't exactly the best course of action. Ask doctors.

(Just a summarization.)

the real question is Why. even tho it is hypothetical, why have the procedure done?

To have sex without worrying of producing another child.

I wonder if anyone in this thread have had at least one surgery? and no, getting your tonsil out doesn't count.
I have had 12, almost died twice. 3 of my surgerys were major abdominal surgery.

Ahem: You.

'Snipping' is short and painless (I think you get put under an anesthetic). Tube tying is not. Like The Minset said, the recovery time for snipping is about an afternoon, and tube tying is a crippling six weeks. Tube tying is incredibly permanent, but there are great strides towards reversing snipping. So... crippling, pain and permanant for you -dear- love, or painless, short recovery, and the possibility of reversal some day. I'm sorry, you said you liked this girl, right? Don't do that to her.

Anyway, asking a political web forum isn't exactly the best course of action. Ask doctors.

(Just a summarization.)

Yea, well in my case I'm going to have to have general anthesia, basically because my body does not adapt too well to local ones. Hell it doesn't have any affect on my body.

Yea, but like the woman, the man could have complication too.
Well, yes, I suppose that's possible but the risk is greatly reduced in the case of the man since it doesn't involve extremely invasive surgery. There is risk in all surgery, but this is a case of what construes least risk. The least risky operation is the male vasectomy.

Yea, well in my case I'm going to have to have general anthesia, basically because my body does not adapt too well to local ones. Hell it doesn't have any affect on my body.
Don't make an excuse. It's still way easier for you to have the surgery.

I wonder if anyone in this thread have had at least one surgery? and no, getting your tonsil out doesn't count.
the only surgery I had was to my mouth. Had some teeth trouble where they needed to remove 8 teeth from my jaw. not including my wisdom teeth.

yep, still got my tonsils, and my apendix.

To have sex without worrying of producing another child.
now, does getting snipped affect one's ability to have sex?

same question about tying tubes?

When it comes to who should get snipped, or get her tubes tied. I always hear that the guy should get snipped because it's safer, simplier, etc. However, I've been under the knife pleanlty of times, too much to be exact. So, I'm wondering, should I subject myself to yet another sugery just to save her from surgery even though she may never had any, or would I be justified if I asked her to go under the knife instead of me?

This is a competely hypothetical question BTW.
She should do it because once you do it she'll break pu with you shack up with another man and have babies by him.

'Snipping' is short and painless (I think you get put under an anesthetic). Tube tying is not. Like The Minset said, the recovery time for snipping is about an afternoon, and tube tying is a crippling six weeks. Tube tying is incredibly permanent, but there are great strides towards reversing snipping. So... crippling, pain and permanant for you -dear- love, or painless, short recovery, and the possibility of reversal some day. I'm sorry, you said you liked this girl, right? Don't do that to her.

Anyway, asking a political web forum isn't exactly the best course of action. Ask doctors.

I agree with all those points, go ask doctors. But if you must have my opinion get "snipped" it's a smaller price to pay, and if you made her go through that you might come out of it feeling really guilty.

the only surgery I had was to my mouth. Had some teeth trouble where they needed to remove 8 teeth from my jaw. not including my wisdom teeth.

yep, still got my tonsils, and my apendix.

I've had one less than you then. I still have everything except half a front tooth. So what is having surgery like anyway?

I wonder if anyone in this thread have had at least one surgery? and no, getting your tonsil out doesn't count.
What about Wisdom Teeth? :p

*laughes so hard my face turn red* Yea, guys can recover from surgery that quick. :rolleyes:

Do a little research into what a vasectomy entails, why don't you?

You don't even have to go into a hospital to get a vasectomy, many doctors can do it right in their office with some local anesthetic. You're done in less than an hour, although your balls swell and you're uncomfortable for a while, but after about a week the discomfort is gone.

For your wife to get her tubes tied, she needs to go to the hospital, get general anesthetic, get opened up with a knife, and need to stay at least overnight, with a total recovery time of 4 to 6 weeks.

A vasectomy is considerably less serious than getting the ol' tubes tied. But don't take my word for it. Spend 5 minutes googling the subject. It won't take long.

You asked earlier if a woman doesn't have a personal responsibility for not getting pregnant. If she doesn't want a baby, of course she does. And she can choose to go on the pill or use condoms and so forth. But as her husband, you have just as much responsibility as her. She doesn't get pregnant all by herself, after all. If you don't want to have children, you're just as responsible for preventing that as she is.

I wonder if anyone in this thread have had at least one surgery? and no, getting your tonsil out doesn't count.

As a matter of fact yes. I have had surgery that required me to be off work for 6 weeks. I also know several people who have had vasectomies performed.

Quit being a whiner. If you don't believe us when we describe what a vasectomy is like, ask your bloody doctor.

now, does getting snipped affect one's ability to have sex?

same question about tying tubes?
Neither affects the ability or desire to have sex, once you've recovered.