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I saw Flight 93

Hydesland
16-06-2006, 20:18
The thing was, we rented it at blockbuster... I thought it wasn't even out in the cinemas yet, let alone on dvd! And especially not in England, the DVD had no special features or anything so it seemed almost as if it was a pirate copy.

Anyway the film was pretty good, although sometimes made you drift off.

However, my freinds brother started to continuosly rant about "those terrorist arabs" afterwards and was actually very angered by the film, I saw a side I never saw of him before.

I have a feeling that this film might lead to an increase in racism again, as the film is very emotional. Sort of like the passion of christ which can turn some people anti-semetic.
Neo Undelia
16-06-2006, 20:19
Definitely pirated.
But who’s counting?

Anyway, the movie pisses me right the fuck off. We have no idea what went down on that plane.

To be fair though, I really didn’t hear about a great deal more anti-semitism after The Passion.
Ifreann
16-06-2006, 20:21
Movie piracy FTW! Needs more eyepatches though.
Gui de Lusignan
16-06-2006, 20:28
Sort of like the passion of christ which can turn some people anti-semetic.

is that suppose to be a joke ? because it is a poor one. No one seriously accepts that the Passion of Christ in any way spread or promoted anti-semetism.

Though i would agree this film at this time is extermely inappropriate and will probably fuel racism against arabs.
Priggdom
16-06-2006, 20:28
that kinda film dosent interest me, the americans are definetly wallowing it. (not to sound too much like boris johnson).
Teh_pantless_hero
16-06-2006, 20:28
What? A sensationalized movie about "hero" Americans taking back a plane from a bunch of "evil" terrorist Muslims and saving America causing a surge in racism? Never. :rolleyes:
Gui de Lusignan
16-06-2006, 20:29
Definitely pirated.
But who’s counting?

Anyway, the movie pisses me right the fuck off. We have no idea what went down on that plane.

To be fair though, I really didn’t hear about a great deal more anti-semitism after The Passion.

ACtually, accounts drawn from cell phone calls, and the recovered flight recorder, paints a very clear picture of what occured on the plane.
Hydesland
16-06-2006, 20:30
is that suppose to be a joke ? because it is a poor one. No one seriously accepts that the Passion of Christ in any way spread or promoted anti-semetism.

Though i would agree this film at this time is extermely inappropriate and will probably fuel racism against arabs.

Put the word SOME in bold.
Deep Kimchi
16-06-2006, 20:31
What? A sensationalized movie about "hero" Americans taking back a plane from a bunch of "evil" terrorist Muslims and saving America causing a surge in racism? Never. :rolleyes:

I watched it myself, and it didn't seem sensationalized. Apparently, we do have dialog from some of the phone calls, and dialog from the cockpit voice recorder.

They obviously did fight back, and did defeat the intent of the hijackers, which makes them heros to me. They didn't have to get out of their seats.

And if killing people through a terrorist act isn't evil, then what is?
Fass
16-06-2006, 20:31
that kinda film dosent interest me, the americans are definetly wallowing it. (not to sound too much like boris johnson).

I have to agree. They need to start getting over it, like the Spanish and the British.
Teh_pantless_hero
16-06-2006, 20:34
I watched it myself, and it didn't seem sensationalized. Apparently, we do have dialog from some of the phone calls, and dialog from the cockpit voice recorder.

They obviously did fight back, and did defeat the intent of the hijackers, which makes them heros to me. They didn't have to get out of their seats.

And if killing people through a terrorist act isn't evil, then what is?
Why should I care what you think anyway? Can I get replies from a source not pre-biased?
Gui de Lusignan
16-06-2006, 20:35
I have to agree. They need to start getting over it, like the Spanish and the British.

Though, the spanish and the british didn't lose over 3000 civilians at one time did they...
Deep Kimchi
16-06-2006, 20:35
Why should I care what you think anyway? Can I get replies from a source not pre-biased?
You got one from someone else who also stated that they had the recordings as source material for the dialog. But, as usual, you never care to read posts.
Hydesland
16-06-2006, 20:36
What? A sensationalized movie about "hero" Americans taking back a plane from a bunch of "evil" terrorist Muslims and saving America causing a surge in racism? Never. :rolleyes:

Hey, thats a little disrespectful. If those guys didn't stop those terrorists, they would have crashed into the white house, and I don't know about you but I would call those plane hijackers "evil", in a subjective way of course(To stop those ZOMFG EVIL DOESNT EXIST ranters).
Teh_pantless_hero
16-06-2006, 20:36
Though, the spanish and the british didn't lose over 3000 civilians at one time did they...
Because quantity matters and justifies the years worth of racism, hatred, wars, and flag waving.
Fass
16-06-2006, 20:37
Though, the spanish and the british didn't lose over 3000 civilians at one time did they...

Yes, because it's all about quantity.

3000 is not that impressive a figure this side of earthquakes and tsunamis and hurricanes and famines and diseases and, well, pretty much anything.
Gui de Lusignan
16-06-2006, 20:43
Because quantity matters and justifies the years worth of racism, hatred, wars, and flag waving.

To be frank, I havn't witnessed (Or been made aware of through media reports or activist movements) any wide spread racism/hatrid to muslims in general.. flag waving of course is going to be an outspurt, and in my opinion is and was quite appropriate.. showing solidarity.

As well a terrorist attack on American soil is far more historic, since there had previously been few terrorist attacks on such a massive scale.. in comparison to England who suffered through decades of it.. as well as Spain.
Ruloah
16-06-2006, 20:44
I have to agree. They need to start getting over it, like the Spanish and the British.

Fass, did the Spanish and the British have the most recognizable buildings in their countries attacked and destroyed by terrorists?

Buildings that were designed and built to withstand natural disasters?

Somehow, when something you thought was so solid, so lasting, is brought down by the hand of man, it is really quite upsetting.

Not to mention the thought of all those people burnt up, or leaping to their deaths to escape being burnt up.

And what must the thoughts of those people on the planes have been when they realized that the hijackers were not flying them to some other country, but straight into those towers?

I know that when it happened, when I got to work, (in the west coast version of the twin towers, designed by the same one who designed the NYC twin towers), I helped the receptionist shut down the office, and got out as quick as I could. As far as I knew, my entire country was under attack.

With hindsight, now we know what was going on, but back then? We Americans thought that we were invulnerable to attack from overseas enemies.

We were wrong, and that morning, everything changed. What seemed like solid ground was now quicksand, and we were sinking into it.

Have that happen to you and your country, and then wait for people around the world to tell you "just get over it."

I hope you never have to go through that, ever.
Gui de Lusignan
16-06-2006, 20:44
Yes, because it's all about quantity.

3000 is not that impressive a figure this side of earthquakes and tsunamis and hurricanes and famines and diseases and, well, pretty much anything.

of course.. yet those were results from natural disasters.. not outspurts of unfounded hatred... and would u suggest Indoesians should start to "get over" the devestation of the Tsunami ??
Drunk commies deleted
16-06-2006, 20:45
I watched it myself, and it didn't seem sensationalized. Apparently, we do have dialog from some of the phone calls, and dialog from the cockpit voice recorder.

They obviously did fight back, and did defeat the intent of the hijackers, which makes them heros to me. They didn't have to get out of their seats.

And if killing people through a terrorist act isn't evil, then what is?
You just don't get it, do you? The Muslims are an oppressed brown-skinned people. Therefore any violence they engage in is justified. The Americans are evil nazi scum bent on world domination, so any violence aimed toward them is acceptable. Also every American who doesn't kowtow to politically correct views of Opressed Brown People (tm) is a xenophobic, racist asshat.
Jordaxia
16-06-2006, 20:47
of course.. yet those were results from natural disasters.. not outspurts of unfounded hatred... and would u suggest Indoesians should start to "get over" the devestation of the Tsunami ??

I'm not sure about Fass, but yeah, I would. Mourn the families and their loss. Then move on. Anything else is stupid. Same for any other loss of life.

Except if it's absolutely and totally unrelated to your own existence. Then I don't see the point in it. Why mourn them just because you heard their death on TV, when you don't mourn the thousands who you DON'T hear about?
Teh_pantless_hero
16-06-2006, 20:48
I'm not sure about Fass, but yeah, I would. Mourn the families and their loss. Then move on. Anything else is stupid. Same for any other loss of life.

Except if it's absolutely and totally unrelated to your own existence. Then I don't see the point in it. Why mourn them just because you heard their death on TV, when you don't mourn the thousands who you DON'T hear about?
Because they all died in perfectly mundane ways.
Hydesland
16-06-2006, 20:51
Except if it's absolutely and totally unrelated to your own existence. Then I don't see the point in it. Why mourn them just because you heard their death on TV, when you don't mourn the thousands who you DON'T hear about?

Indeed, but I certainly don't see why some people should puplicly criticize other people who mourn for people in tragedies, unless they are obsessive.
[NS]Simonist
16-06-2006, 20:53
ACtually, accounts drawn from cell phone calls, and the recovered flight recorder, paints a very clear picture of what occured on the plane.
Oh, so the fact that, at the time of the terrorist attack, it wasn't possible to maintain a steady cell phone signal in-flight doesn't bother you at all, does it?

I'm not saying one way or another about the movie as being based on events, they really worked harder to not blow it into one of those "Yay America!" flicks, and were incredibly sensitive to the victims' families in the portrayal of the entire event.

On the other hand, I hated the movie itself, and I don't buy into all the 9/11 hype, nor have I from the hour I found out that my uncle made it out of the Towers alive. So maybe I'm one of the few in America that's not looking at it through any terrible bias.
Nick52B
16-06-2006, 21:02
Fass, did the Spanish and the British have the most recognizable buildings in their countries attacked and destroyed by terrorists?

Buildings that were designed and built to withstand natural disasters?

Somehow, when something you thought was so solid, so lasting, is brought down by the hand of man, it is really quite upsetting.

Not to mention the thought of all those people burnt up, or leaping to their deaths to escape being burnt up.

And what must the thoughts of those people on the planes have been when they realized that the hijackers were not flying them to some other country, but straight into those towers?

I know that when it happened, when I got to work, (in the west coast version of the twin towers, designed by the same one who designed the NYC twin towers), I helped the receptionist shut down the office, and got out as quick as I could. As far as I knew, my entire country was under attack.

With hindsight, now we know what was going on, but back then? We Americans thought that we were invulnerable to attack from overseas enemies.

We were wrong, and that morning, everything changed. What seemed like solid ground was now quicksand, and we were sinking into it.

Have that happen to you and your country, and then wait for people around the world to tell you "just get over it."

I hope you never have to go through that, ever.

We almost did! The Gunpowder Plot ring any bells? November 5, 1605?
But I suppose that we DO celebrate the plot being foiled every year.:p
Fass
16-06-2006, 21:05
Have that happen to you and your country, and then wait for people around the world to tell you "just get over it."

I hope you never have to go through that, ever.

How little you know of what the rest of the world has coped with, and moved on from. Get a grip, and then get some perspective.

Oh, I forget I'm talking to someone who lives in a country that's still obsessed with JFK and Elvis...
Keruvalia
16-06-2006, 21:08
Haven't seen it. Won't see it.

It's a dumb story, that old rehashed "regular joe turned hero" drivel, and we already know how it ends.

I see movies to be entertained. If I want to see something like that, I'll flip on a History Channel documentary, not pay $10 to go to the theater.

It isn't even a very good date film.

Now ... if there were snakes on flight 93 .... and Samuel Jackson .... THAT would be a film!
[NS]Simonist
16-06-2006, 21:11
How little you know of what the rest of the world has coped with, and moved on from. Get a grip, and then get some perspective.

Oh, I forget I'm talking to someone who lives in a country that's still obsessed with JFK and Elvis...
I quite agree with Fass on this one (with my usual bitterness to USA included). If people like me, people who were also personally effected during that day, especially moreso than just "My country was under attack", can get over it, the whining patriots can damn sure let time heal that wound. How easy do you think it is getting a call from your grandmother while you're outside, away from the rest of your school, unconnected from what's going on entirely, to say that we haven't yet heard whether your uncle and cousin are safe? That nobody knows if they were out of town or if they were in at work today? I didn't even goddamn know what was going on. And yet, losing my cousin and nearly losing my uncle in the disasters of the day, I and my family have moved on. Why the fuck can't everybody else?

The day the Americans have a real understanding of not only what happens all over the rest of the world, but also that many of our strained international relationships were avoidable, we owe a grand-scale apology for all our complaints.
Ruloah
16-06-2006, 21:12
The thing was, we rented it at blockbuster... I thought it wasn't even out in the cinemas yet, let alone on dvd! And especially not in England, the DVD had no special features or anything so it seemed almost as if it was a pirate copy.

Anyway the film was pretty good, although sometimes made you drift off.

However, my freinds brother started to continuosly rant about "those terrorist arabs" afterwards and was actually very angered by the film, I saw a side I never saw of him before.

I have a feeling that this film might lead to an increase in racism again, as the film is very emotional. Sort of like the passion of christ which can turn some people anti-semetic.

Are you certain that you did not rent the documentary "Portrait of Courage: Untold Story of Flight 93", which has been released to dvd already, rather than "United 93", which is still playing in the theaters?
Hydesland
16-06-2006, 21:15
Haven't seen it. Won't see it.

It's a dumb story, that old rehashed "regular joe turned hero" drivel, and we already know how it ends.

I see movies to be entertained. If I want to see something like that, I'll flip on a History Channel documentary, not pay $10 to go to the theater.

It isn't even a very good date film.

Now ... if there were snakes on flight 93 .... and Samuel Jackson .... THAT would be a film!

Well, it was actually quite good, it was completely different to those average "regualr joe turned hero". Besides there was no one hero, it was everyone in the plane working together to try to stop them and they wern't perfect at it. To not give away too much, it seems like the sort of thing you would see on a security tape when a bunch of people stop a fight in a resturant, not some amazing scheme with cool fight scences etc... Im sorry if you find real life mediocre but you shouldn't judge the movie like that.
Hydesland
16-06-2006, 21:17
Are you certain that you did not rent the documentary "Portrait of Courage: Untold Story of Flight 93", which has been released to dvd already, rather than "United 93", which is still playing in the theaters?

Yes it was definately a film, I had seen trailers of it before hand anyway. I would know if it was a documentry.
Bostopia
16-06-2006, 21:18
Fass, did the Spanish and the British have the most recognizable buildings in their countries attacked and destroyed by terrorists?


Ok, you've really annoyed me with that.
1) Most people in the world will know of the London Underground.
2) I'm sorry not enough people got killed for you to warrant our level of grief.

I would now like to use an American term. You = 'Jerk'
Hydesland
16-06-2006, 21:23
Ok, you've really annoyed me with that.
1) Most people in the world will know of the London Underground.
2) I'm sorry not enough people got killed for you to warrant our level of grief.

I would now like to use an American term. You = 'Jerk'

Firstly the london undergrounds damge was tiny, infact pretty much no damge was done at all. however the twin towers were central to the economy of america, also a major sight in New York. It was probably one of the most important buildings in America. So that argument is just bs.

Not that i don't think Americans shouldn't get over it or anything.
Neo Undelia
16-06-2006, 21:24
ACtually, accounts drawn from cell phone calls, and the recovered flight recorder, paints a very clear picture of what occured on the plane.
No we don't.
Deep Kimchi
16-06-2006, 21:25
The best part about not "getting over it" is that no one has the military ability or political will to make us "get over it".
Desperate Measures
16-06-2006, 21:26
Firstly the london undergrounds damge was tiny, infact pretty much no damge was done at all. however the twin towers were central to the economy of america, also a major sight in New York. It was probably one of the most important buildings in America. So that argument is just bs.

Not that i don't think Americans shouldn't get over it or anything.
From Wikipedia (which probably means to most people that it was completely pulled from someone's ass):

"Fifty-six people were killed in the attacks, including the four bombers, and about 700 injured, of whom about 100 required overnight hospital treatment or more. The incident was the deadliest single act of terrorism in the United Kingdom since Lockerbie (the 1988 bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 which killed 270), and the deadliest bombing in London since the Second World War."
Desperate Measures
16-06-2006, 21:27
The best part about not "getting over it" is that no one has the military ability or political will to make us "get over it".
I love being psychologically stunted!!
Hydesland
16-06-2006, 21:27
From Wikipedia (which probably means to most people that it was completely pulled from someone's ass):

"Fifty-six people were killed in the attacks, including the four bombers, and about 700 injured, of whom about 100 required overnight hospital treatment or more. The incident was the deadliest single act of terrorism in the United Kingdom since Lockerbie (the 1988 bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 which killed 270), and the deadliest bombing in London since the Second World War."

Of course many people died and thats a bad thing, but there still wasn't much damage to the london underground itself. Not that its particularly relevent anymore.
Deep Kimchi
16-06-2006, 21:27
I love being psychologically stunted!!
Who says therapists are right?
Deep Kimchi
16-06-2006, 21:28
I love being psychologically stunted!!
Isn't sanity a one-trick pony anyway? All you get is one trick: rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy... ooh, ooh, ooh, the sky is the limit!
Tactical Grace
16-06-2006, 21:30
Fass, did the Spanish and the British have the most recognizable buildings in their countries attacked and destroyed by terrorists?
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41736000/jpg/_41736650_bombsmoke_bbc203.jpg

http://www.londonsairambulance.org/Gallery/Major_Incidents_in_which_the_team_have_been_involved/CanaryWharf2.jpg

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38666000/jpg/_38666939_canarywharf238.jpg


Top one is my city.

Nub.
New Lofeta
16-06-2006, 21:30
I have to agree. They need to start getting over it, like the Spanish and the British.

That's harsh dude, but I can see where you're coming from.

If you think about it, pre-9/11, America was the only country in the world to feel untouchable. It was on 9/11 that America lost its sense of invulerablity. Thing is, the rest of the world had already felt vulerable for decades, so didn't give America the time it needed to realise it was as Human as the rest of us. Still, I do think America has had enough time, and would be over it by not if it hadn't been used as an excuse to go steal Middle Eastern Oil.
Neo Undelia
16-06-2006, 21:30
How little you know of what the rest of the world has coped with, and moved on from. Get a grip, and then get some perspective.

Oh, I forget I'm talking to someone who lives in a country that's still obsessed with JFK and Elvis...
What's wrong with Elvis?:confused:
Desperate Measures
16-06-2006, 21:31
Isn't sanity a one-trick pony anyway? All you get is one trick: rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy... ooh, ooh, ooh, the sky is the limit!
You've made me sad.
Desperate Measures
16-06-2006, 21:31
Of course many people died and thats a bad thing, but there still wasn't much damage to the london underground itself. Not that its particularly relevent anymore.
So the structure means more? What?
New Lofeta
16-06-2006, 21:31
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41736000/jpg/_41736650_bombsmoke_bbc203.jpg

http://www.londonsairambulance.org/Gallery/Major_Incidents_in_which_the_team_have_been_involved/CanaryWharf2.jpg

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38666000/jpg/_38666939_canarywharf238.jpg


Top one is my city.

Nub.

But you're forgetting, only Americans are allowed to grieve. *Rolls Eyes*
Fass
16-06-2006, 21:32
Top one is my city.

Nub.

Only USians count, and they count twice as much. Their buildings count more than other peoples. Oh, and their wallowing and "pain."
Hydesland
16-06-2006, 21:32
So the structure means more? What?

You misunderstood, it's just that someone used the argument that the damage to london underground was to the same scale to the world trade centers.
Desperate Measures
16-06-2006, 21:33
You misunderstood, it's just that someone used the argument that the damage to london underground was to the same scale to the world trade centers.
I think he was talking about the grief caused, I might be wrong.
New Lofeta
16-06-2006, 21:34
Only USians count, and they count twice as much. Their buildings count more than other peoples. Oh, and their wallowing and "pain."

Unless they are immigrants of course.
Twizzlers Rule
16-06-2006, 21:35
Please do not mention that movie to me. My parents were both on Flight 93 and that movie really upsets me. My parents' last moments were more frightening than the movies can ever capture. My mom called me and told me she could see the building, and then... well..... I never saw or heard from her again.
Hydesland
16-06-2006, 21:36
I think he was talking about the grief caused, I might be wrong.

Yeah the guy I quoted in the thing you quoted did, but he quoted a me quoting a guy who talked about damage to the london underground (ahhhhh so confusing).
[NS]Simonist
16-06-2006, 21:37
Unless they are immigrants of course.
No, sometimes we Americans let the immigrants grieve.....their poor decision to come to our poor, much-maligned country.....

Maybe I should go on a lecture tour on how Americans could stand to get the fuck over ourselves, 'cause I'm not seeing many other reasonable folks willing to leave this shit in the past. Plus, I could make, like, major bank.
Deep Kimchi
16-06-2006, 21:37
So the structure means more? What?
I believe that the US sensitivity to this stems from the fact that Third World terrorists have rarely struck the US in such a public fashion.

Europeans and others have had to live with terrorism of one form or another for some time - it's barely news. Yes, someone blew up the Underground, but one Brit told me that it was bound to happen someday, and if not one group then another. Perils of being in a big city.

Give it time. The US will eventually get used to it.
Kecibukia
16-06-2006, 21:37
Please do not mention that movie to me. My parents were both on Flight 93 and that movie really upsets me. My parents' last moments were more frightening than the movies can ever capture. My mom called me and told me she could see the building, and then... well..... I never saw or heard from her again.

What building would that be?
Fass
16-06-2006, 21:38
Please do not mention that movie to me. My parents were both on Flight 93 and that movie really upsets me. My parents' last moments were more frightening than the movies can ever capture. My mom called me and told me she could see the building, and then... well..... I never saw or heard from her again.

Yes, someone who lost their parents in the event would use the ":cool:" ("cool") smiley to preface their post with.

Right.
Tactical Grace
16-06-2006, 21:38
But you're forgetting, only Americans are allowed to grieve. *Rolls Eyes*
Well, it's a two-way street. We read about it in the papers, I remember times when it was a monthly event, and we shrug and move on, because that sort of thing is just an occupational hazard, an operating expense associated with the running of any country.

But they get to bitch and whine about it for ever, like it's somehow a special thing. It's not, they just happened to be too lucky for too long. But if they insist, we can bring up the fact that one of the people killed on September 11 was an IRA fundraiser associated with the images above.

No-one should have a monopoly on grief, one either moves on, or else has the decency to learn that others have had their own shit go down.
New Lofeta
16-06-2006, 21:38
Please do not mention that movie to me. My parents were both on Flight 93 and that movie really upsets me. My parents' last moments were more frightening than the movies can ever capture. My mom called me and told me she could see the building, and then... well..... I never saw or heard from her again.

I am very sorry for your loss. :(
Kecibukia
16-06-2006, 21:38
Yes, someone who lost their parents in the event would use the ":cool:" ("cool") smiley to preface their post with.

Right.

Especially due to the fact that 93 did not crash into a building.

Looks like we have a baby troll on our hands.
[NS]Simonist
16-06-2006, 21:38
Please do not mention that movie to me. My parents were both on Flight 93 and that movie really upsets me. My parents' last moments were more frightening than the movies can ever capture. My mom called me and told me she could see the building, and then... well..... I never saw or heard from her again.
Wait.....your mom, on flight 93, called and said that she could see THE BUILDING?!

Flight 93 crashed into the LANDSCAPE outside of any major city, kid. Quit lying for pity.
Kecibukia
16-06-2006, 21:39
I am very sorry for your loss. :(

The only "loss" that's been suffered here is some self respect.
Desperate Measures
16-06-2006, 21:39
I believe that the US sensitivity to this stems from the fact that Third World terrorists have rarely struck the US in such a public fashion.

Europeans and others have had to live with terrorism of one form or another for some time - it's barely news. Yes, someone blew up the Underground, but one Brit told me that it was bound to happen someday, and if not one group then another. Perils of being in a big city.

Give it time. The US will eventually get used to it.
I already have. It was only a matter of time for us and we should have seen it coming. We're part of the big scary world, too.
Hydesland
16-06-2006, 21:41
Yes, someone who lost their parents in the event would use the ":cool:" ("cool") smiley to preface their post with.

Right.

Lol, maybe his parents grounded him.
New Lofeta
16-06-2006, 21:42
Simonist']Wait.....your mom, on flight 93, called and said that she could see THE BUILDING?!

Flight 93 crashed into the LANDSCAPE outside of any major city, kid. Quit lying for pity.

See the thing is, if he is making it up its terrible on him. If he hisn't, its terrible on us for not beleiving him.
Tactical Grace
16-06-2006, 21:43
See the thing is, if he is making it up its terrible on him. If he hisn't, its terrible on us for not beleiving him.
Hardly. This is the internet. No-one is under any obligation to believe anyone or anything.
Fass
16-06-2006, 21:43
If he hisn't, its terrible on us for not beleiving him.

Boohoo, breaking my heart. It's an obvious lie - there is no "if" about it.
[NS]Simonist
16-06-2006, 21:44
See the thing is, if he is making it up its terrible on him. If he hisn't, its terrible on us for not beleiving him.
There is no "if". Did you not ever see the coverage on the Flight 93 "crash location"? There was no building to be seen. They "crashed" in some goddamn forest area. There's no way, if his parents were on this particular flight (not something I imagine you'd ever confuse if your parents died in the attacks), she'd have been able to see "the building".
Hydesland
16-06-2006, 21:45
Boohoo, breaking my heart. It's an obvious lie - there is no "if" about it.

Besides no one could operate a mobile phone in the G Force they were experiencing whilst they were about to hit the ground.
New Lofeta
16-06-2006, 21:48
Simonist']There is no "if". Did you not ever see the coverage on the Flight 93 "crash location"? There was no building to be seen. They "crashed" in some goddamn forest area. There's no way, if his parents were on this particular flight (not something I imagine you'd ever confuse if your parents died in the attacks), she'd have been able to see "the building".

Meh, you're right, I just like to have alittle more faith in people.
Kecibukia
16-06-2006, 21:49
Please do not mention that movie to me. My parents were both on Flight 93 and that movie really upsets me. My parents' last moments were more frightening than the movies can ever capture. My mom called me and told me she could see the building, and then... well..... I never saw or heard from her again.

Maybe she lied to you because she realized life would be better not having to take care of an ignorant twit and hit the road.
Tactical Grace
16-06-2006, 21:49
Besides no one could operate a mobile phone in the G Force they were experiencing whilst they were about to hit the ground.
Considering it hit nose first tilted slightly upside down, it is a fair bet everyone was dead or unconscious in a crumpled heap before the ground came into view.
[NS]Simonist
16-06-2006, 21:49
Meh, youre right, I just like to have alittle more faith in people.
I don't believe in faith in people if they're trying to manipulate my emotions, especially if they do it in such an obviously flawed way.
Ifreann
16-06-2006, 21:52
Rock Bottom: Lying about your parents death to gain sympathy/pity from people on the internet.
Hydesland
16-06-2006, 21:54
That lying kid hijacked my thread:(
Gartref
16-06-2006, 21:55
Please do not mention that movie to me. My parents were both on Flight 93 and that movie really upsets me. My parents' last moments were more frightening than the movies can ever capture. My mom called me and told me she could see the building, and then... well..... I never saw or heard from her again.

I share your grief. My best friends, Saeed and Ahmed, were also on that flight.
New Lofeta
16-06-2006, 21:55
That lying kid hijacked my thread:(

Never fear, he's ruined his reputation on this forum by doing so.
Hydesland
16-06-2006, 21:56
I share your grief. My best friends, Saeed and Ahmed, were also on that flight.

LOL!
Tactical Grace
16-06-2006, 21:57
I share your grief. My best friends, Saeed and Ahmed, were also on that flight.
You win this thread. :D
Hydesland
16-06-2006, 22:26
Please do not talk about Flight 93, my parents were in the boat as it was about to crash into Mount Everest, they called me on my cellphone to tell me to go to bed as they fell off the boat onto the peak of Mount Everest and died. My parents are deeply depressed by the events.
Crusading Doctrinators
16-06-2006, 22:45
I don't know about that kid but I did lose my aunt in the second tower. It was a very painful experience considering I had never lost a family member before and then to have her die so tragically. I understand where people are coming from saying we should let it go but I think you all need to understand that for some people it takes a little longer for these wounds to heal.

I personally think I have healed from it all, but I still have that desire to have Al-Qaeda completely obliterated or some kind of justice served.

For the record, I am not going to see that movie. I went through that experience once, I don't need to relive the memories.
Deep Kimchi
16-06-2006, 22:47
Hardly. This is the internet. No-one is under any obligation to believe anyone or anything.
Correction. We have reason to believe you're a Moderator.
Ifreann
16-06-2006, 22:50
Correction. We have reason to believe you're a Moderator.
That's what they want you to think.
Szanth
17-06-2006, 00:13
I don't know about that kid but I did lose my aunt in the second tower. It was a very painful experience considering I had never lost a family member before and then to have her die so tragically. I understand where people are coming from saying we should let it go but I think you all need to understand that for some people it takes a little longer for these wounds to heal.

I personally think I have healed from it all, but I still have that desire to have Al-Qaeda completely obliterated or some kind of justice served.

For the record, I am not going to see that movie. I went through that experience once, I don't need to relive the memories.

Yeah, I wanna see Al-Qaeda brought to justice as well. I also want to to be known that IRAQ HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH AL-QAEDA.

Just wanted to remind that to everyone. If anything, seeing the movie should make people pissed off that the people responsible for that aren't the major enemy right now.
Ifreann
17-06-2006, 00:24
Yeah, I wanna see Al-Qaeda brought to justice as well. I also want to to be known that IRAQ HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH AL-QAEDA.

Just wanted to remind that to everyone. If anything, seeing the movie should make people pissed off that the people responsible for that aren't the major enemy right now.
Solution: Make a movie where Iraqis are the enemy.
Desperate Measures
17-06-2006, 00:26
Solution: Make a movie where Iraqis are the enemy.
Are they still making that new Rambo? You should get in touch with the screenwriters.
PsychoticDan
17-06-2006, 00:26
Definitely pirated.
But who’s counting?

Anyway, the movie pisses me right the fuck off. We have no idea what went down on that plane.

To be fair though, I really didn’t hear about a great deal more anti-semitism after The Passion.
By that standard we should never make any movie about any historical event, ever.
Not bad
17-06-2006, 00:36
Oh, I forget I'm talking to someone who lives in a country that's still obsessed with JFK and Elvis...

Countries dont obsess about individual people. Individual people sometimes obsess about certain countries however.
PsychoticDan
17-06-2006, 00:37
Countries dont obsess about individual people. Individual people sometimes obsess about certain countries however.
hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was great!!!!!:D
Szanth
17-06-2006, 01:03
Solution: Make a movie where Iraqis are the enemy.

Wouldn't put that past them.
Hydac
17-06-2006, 06:49
What you saw was Flight 93, a made for A&E special, the movie in theaters is United 93. So you did not see a pirated copy. I know this since I work in a video store.