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http://edition.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Music/06/15/jayz.cristal.ap/index.html

So, saying that the hip-hop lifestyle is bad = racism? Wow, way to help fight stereotypes of blacks, guys.

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Music/06/15/jayz.cristal.ap/index.html

So, saying that the hip-hop lifestyle is bad = racism? Wow, way to help fight stereotypes of blacks, guys.

Racism is becoming the same word as fascism. If you're arguing with a person of political correctness, and they run out of ideas, they call you one or the other - the argument is then over, as you have to waste time defending yourself against the inane accusation.

Racism is becoming the same word as fascism. If you're arguing with a person of political correctness, and they run out of ideas, they call you one or the other - the argument is then over, as you have to waste time defending yourself against the inane accusation.
oh... suddenly the world makes much more sense.

oh... suddenly the world makes much more sense.
Don't worry, they also use the word "Christian" as the same word.

Whatever Jay-Z is a fucking moron and a horrible rapper at that. Hip-hop does in fact suck because of people like him.

Whatever Jay-Z is a fucking moron and a horrible rapper at that. Hip-hop does in fact suck because of people like him.
It reads better like this:

Hip-hop does in fact suck

It reads better like this:

How much hip-hop have you bothered to listen to, DK?

No no DK, good hip-hop does exist. Just not from the likes of Jay-Z.

And just what the hell is the hip hop lifestyle? Hip hop is music. Thats like people saying punk rock is a way of life.

How much hip-hop have you bothered to listen to, DK?
I have five kids who listen to it day and night. How much do you think?

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Music/06/15/jayz.cristal.ap/index.html

So, saying that the hip-hop lifestyle is bad = racism? Wow, way to help fight stereotypes of blacks, guys.
Jay-Z is the proprietor of the hip-hop lifestyle and any attempts to play it down costs him money.

Cristal's position only really hurts Cristal so kudos to them for fighting the good fight.

I have five kids who listen to it day and night. How much do you think?
Not enough to be a judge of whether good hip hop/rap does or does not exist. I doubt your kids listen to anyone you couldn't turn on the radio at any time of the day and hear.

The only thing that I like that my kids listen to is The Chemical Brothers (not sure if that counts as hip-hop)

The only thing that I like that my kids listen to is The Chemical Brothers (not sure if that counts as hip-hop)
Who the fuck are they?
And what "hip-hop" do your kids listen to?

Would you please point out where in the article does Jay-Z call the makers of Cristal racist?

I've read it three times already and nowhere can I find any references towards race whatsoever.

EDIT: Nevermind, found it: "I view his comments as racist and will no longer support any of his products through any of my various brands including The 40/40 Club nor in my personal life."

Yeah, he's being kind of dumb. If someone doesn't like something, well, he/she doesn't like it, that's it.

Political corectness is so annoying

Hip-Hop is just Crap.

Would you please point out where in the article does Jay-Z call the makers of Cristal racist?

I've read it three times already and nowhere can I find any references towards race whatsoever.
"It has come to my attention that the managing director of Cristal, Frederic Rouzaud views the 'hip-hop' culture as 'unwelcome attention,"' Jay-Z said in a statement released Wednesday. "I view his comments as racist and will no longer support any of his products through any of my various brands including The 40/40 Club nor in my personal life."
Jay-Z is being an asshat.

Who the fuck are they?


Love your vocabulary.

http://www.raft.vmg.co.uk/chemicalbros/

Would you please point out where in the article does Jay-Z call the makers of Cristal racist?

I've read it three times already and nowhere can I find any references towards race whatsoever.

Need glasses much?

"It has come to my attention that the managing director of Cristal, Frederic Rouzaud views the 'hip-hop' culture as 'unwelcome attention,"' Jay-Z said in a statement released Wednesday. "I view his comments as racist and will no longer support any of his products through any of my various brands including The 40/40 Club nor in my personal life."

Gak. Hip-hop "culture" is revolting for a great many reasons, but race is not one of them.

Love your vocabulary.

http://www.raft.vmg.co.uk/chemicalbros/
Wikipedia will suffice.

This is soon going to turn into a rap/hip-hop sucks thread because all people ever do is turn on the sell-out radio stations and listen to the same shit over and over from no talent fucks. Too bad nobody judges every other genre by the same measure.

Wikipedia will suffice.

This is soon going to turn into a rap/hip-hop sucks thread because all people ever do is turn on the sell-out radio stations and listen to the same shit over and over from no talent fucks. Too bad nobody judges every other genre by the same measure.
I've never heard the Chemical Brothers played on the radio.

I've never heard the Chemical Brothers played on the radio.
That's exactly my damn point.

Need glasses much?
I do! My contacts playing up on me :(

I've never heard the Chemical Brothers played on the radio.

They're relatively big in the UK. Personally I'm sick of the buggers, you can have 'em.

There is good hip hop (mostly underground or old-school) but pretty much everything on the radio is crap.

(Mind you I'm torn about some of it, Candy Shop was a shite song but in some ways I like the idea behind it...)

The only thing that I like that my kids listen to is The Chemical Brothers (not sure if that counts as hip-hop)

No, by my understanding, they're electronica, but I haven't heard everything they did.

I pity you if your kids listen to the mainstream shit; but there is a lot of good hip-hop beyond that - the same with pretty much any other genre.

I've never heard the Chemical Brothers played on the radio.

That's because they're aging. It was fairly common to hear them on radio over here back in the mid to late 90's.


This is soon going to turn into a rap/hip-hop sucks thread because all people ever do is turn on the sell-out radio stations and listen to the same shit over and over from no talent fucks. Too bad nobody judges every other genre by the same measure.

Hm; that's not entirely true, I hear the same comments about rock from people who listen to mostly hip-hop.

No, they're electronica.


Ah, that's probably why I like them. I like the old house music, trance, electronica - as long as it has a beat.

Ah, that's probably why I like them. I like the old house music, trance, electronica - as long as it has a beat.

Hmmm;

Try looking for the track "Taxes are Stealing" by Corporate Avenger...it's a mix of electronica and hip-hop, and I get the feeling you'll appreciate the lyrical content of that one. (maybe not much of their other stuff though) :p

Wikipedia will suffice.

This is soon going to turn into a rap/hip-hop sucks thread because all people ever do is turn on the sell-out radio stations and listen to the same shit over and over from no talent fucks. Too bad nobody judges every other genre by the same measure.

No, it has already turned into a Hip-Hop discussion, when the initial topic is clearly over "loaded speech" and buzzwords like fascism and democracy ;)

Maybe you guys are overlooking something :

notice how he still remains pissed off even though its not even cristal's exact words and they were added in later by the journalist or whatnot. Its a publicity stunt. Sells paper, Cristal AND J-Zee's joints' business.

Hmmm;

Try looking for the track "Taxes are Stealing" by Corporate Avenger...it's a mix of electronica and hip-hop, and I get the feeling you'll appreciate the lyrical content of that one. (maybe not much of their other stuff though) :p

The question for me for music is: is it good to fuck to?

The question for me for music is: is it good to fuck to?

Ha :p

No no DK, good hip-hop does exist. Just not from the likes of Jay-Z.

And just what the hell is the hip hop lifestyle? Hip hop is music. Thats like people saying punk rock is a way of life.

Punk Rock is a way of life. You picked a bad example.

Who the fuck are they?
And what "hip-hop" do your kids listen to?

A very good ...dunno, trance/house act probably. I'm bad at putting them into genres.
The Chemical Brothers are not hip-hop.

Wikipedia will suffice.

This is soon going to turn into a rap/hip-hop sucks thread because all people ever do is turn on the sell-out radio stations and listen to the same shit over and over from no talent fucks. Too bad nobody judges every other genre by the same measure.


Exactly. I mean if people thought that way about classical music, they'd think that all of it is soft, quiet, easy-listening comfort music. OH WAIT THEY DO ALREADY.

Rap gets it hard, but generally speaking most people judge musical genres based on less than all the facts.

i cant say that i blame the cristal man for not wanting to be associated with "bling". the tastes of the nouveau riche comes and goes, they dont know the difference between good and expensive. high end champagne is a high class commodity and it wont help long term sales to be associated with crass men drinking your product straight out of the bottle in the back of a limo.

its not so much racist as it is classist.

Punk Rock is a way of life. You picked a bad example.
"Disco is not dead! Disco is life!" - Tony P

The Chemical Brothers are labeled electronica (IMO a crap designation, gathering most of the electronical music in the same bag) today, but back in the nineties the genre was called big beat.

Maybe you guys are overlooking something :

notice how he still remains pissed off even though its not even cristal's exact words and they were added in later by the journalist or whatnot. Its a publicity stunt. Sells paper, Cristal AND J-Zee's joints' business.

True.

I wonder if Jay-Z will also be boycotting the Economist

True.

I wonder if Jay-Z will also be boycotting the Economist


Lets hope he does, although i have to say, the Economist aint what it used to be :)

The "hip hop lifestyle" is what is wrong with black americans.

They wont ammount to anything while they embrace this vulgar, know-nothing mediocrity.

The idea that I, or any other self respecting employer would ever hire some babbling buffoon wearing clothes that didnt fit and women's jewelry is laughable.

If someone cant be trusted to dress or behave decently, he cant be trusted with anything.

The "hip hop lifestyle" is what is wrong with black americans.

They wont ammount to anything while they embrace this vulgar, know-nothing mediocrity.

And before anyone calls NG racist for saying so, Bill Cosby said the same thing. Of course he was called a racist for it as well.

Who the fuck are they?
And what "hip-hop" do your kids listen to?

You've never heard of the chemical brothers :eek:
(you probably have now)

All I got to say is thank Natural Selection for men like Carlos Mencia. The more we’re desensitized to race, the more it becomes a joke.

All I got to say is thank Natural Selection for men like Carlos Mencia. The more we’re desensitized to race, the more is becomes a joke.

yes, that's very true

The question for me for music is: is it good to fuck to?

You do have five kids, right? Maybe you should be on a strict diet of William Shatner's music and the Rent soundtrack in order to prevent any more children from happening. Seriously, if listening to Gunther (or any other similar music) causes babies, it might not be a bad idea to slow down your musical preference...