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Yes! Using electric shocks to keep those autistic children in line! And the Massachusetts government pays for this!

http://www.cnn.com/2006/EDUCATION/06/15/disabled.youths.ap/index.html

I guess they have the best interests of the children at heart. :rolleyes:

We get more and more fascist every day. :(

No, just more and more fucking bloody stupid. Bah, shock treatment will if anything make the kids worse not better!

We get more and more fascist every day. :(
Ahem... Massachusetts is one of the most "liberal" states in the US. How does that translate as "fascist"?

Oddly enough, I just had a similar dream to this. Of course, it was robots shocking kids who misbehaved, or possibly firing pens at them. Both I think. Still, interesting coincidence.

This does not bode well.

I meant the U.S. as a whole, not just Taxachussetts.

I meant the U.S. as a whole, not just Taxachussetts.
Oh no, taxes for services, run away!

Oh no, taxes for services, run away!

Services like unregulated shock therapy for the mentally impaired.

Oh no, taxes for services, run away!
Actually, independent studies rank Massachusetts near the bottom in terms of services you get for your taxes.

Virginia happens to be near the top (#2), and we pay less taxes, and get more for our money.

Just because you're paying taxes doesn't mean you're getting anything back in services.

Services like unregulated shock therapy for the mentally impaired.
That's ok for people who believe that we should involuntarily pay to get involuntarily shocked.

Services like unregulated shock therapy for the mentally impaired.

Well, actually that was paid for by New York. Rum old world, ain't it?

So there's use for cattle prods now on people? :D

Well, actually that was paid for by New York. Rum old world, ain't it?
Wow, who would have guessed that blue states do this sort of thing.

Actually, independent studies rank Massachusetts near the bottom in terms of services you get for your taxes.

Virginia happens to be near the top (#2), and we pay less taxes, and get more for our money.

Just because you're paying taxes doesn't mean you're getting anything back in services.
I will research stuff later.

Oh, so that's why no one ever managed to "cure" my autism - they were too weak to electrocute me.

Wow, who would have guessed that blue states do this sort of thing.
me.

oh, wait...

was that one of those questions you aren't supposed to answer?

Oh, so that's why no one ever managed to "cure" my autism - they were too weak to electrocute me.

Well, self-electrotherapy is possible!

thats horrible! didnt they learn anything from the victorians when they did this exact same thing in Bedlam, England?! it didnt work! it made them worse!

Ahem... Massachusetts is one of the most "liberal" states in the US. How does that translate as "fascist"?

Umm... the fact that they are electrocuting disabled children?

Being Massachusetts does not magicly make you incapable of fascism.

Ahem... Massachusetts is one of the most "liberal" states in the US. How does that translate as "fascist"?

Just because a liberal judge allows gay marriage there doesnt mean the whole state is liberal.

thats horrible! didnt they learn anything from the victorians when they did this exact same thing in Bedlam, England?! it didnt work! it made them worse!

Actually, electroshock therapy can help with severe autism. If I can be arsed, I'll fish out the article I read on it last year in some counselling magazine. It's probably online somewhere.

Are the electric shocks helping? Some of the parents, according to the article, say that they do help. If it works it's a good thing.

Just because a liberal judge allows gay marriage there doesnt mean the whole state is liberal.
High taxes, tight gun control, shall I go on? I don't think gay marriage is an issue for me - I'm all for it.

High taxes, tight gun control, shall I go on?
Oh I dunno, those are two whole examples after all.

Are the electric shocks helping? Some of the parents, according to the article, say that they do help. If it works it's a good thing.

But also according to the article, there have been injuries.

My guess is there are a couple of excessive individuals behind the buttons and not representative of all of them.

Oh I dunno, those are two whole examples after all.
Decades of Ted Kennedy

Decades of Ted Kennedy
Oh look, even better than two examples - it's an attack based on personal opinion of a person who is a fucking Senator!

High taxes, tight gun control, shall I go on? I don't think gay marriage is an issue for me - I'm all for it.

High taxes is neither conservative nor liberal. If the government needs revenue its going to raise taxes.

Tight gun control? Apparently any law not stating that gun control is simply the ability to aim and hit your target is tight gun control.

Oh look, even better than two examples - it's an attack based on personal opinion of a person who is a fucking Senator!
You're saying that the people of Massachusetts didn't vote for Ted Kennedy and his liberal ethos?

Really?

Oddly enough, I just had a similar dream to this. Of course, it was robots shocking kids who misbehaved, or possibly firing pens at them. Both I think. Still, interesting coincidence.

This does not bode well.
I had a dream where robots wearing blue slacks were shocking turtles that were eating big donuts.

I had a dream where robots wearing blue slacks were shocking turtles that were eating big donuts.
I dreamed I was having sex with Prince and Jessica Alba.

You're saying that the people of Massachusetts didn't vote for Ted Kennedy and his liberal ethos?

Really?
What does that have to do with the state being liberal?

I dreamed I was having sex with Prince and Jessica Alba.

Jessica I can definately see. But Prince? Come on, if you're going to be Bi, pick someone who at least looks like a man. :)

What does that have to do with the state being liberal?
You are truly clueless, aren't you?

You are truly clueless, aren't you?

Well if you have liberal Ted Kennedy vs. Hitler, Im sure the majority would vote for the liberal. It doesnt necessarily mean the state is liberal. Maybe he was just the better candidate.

Well if you have liberal Ted Kennedy vs. Hitler, Im sure the majority would vote for the liberal. It doesnt necessarily mean the state is liberal. Maybe he was just the better candidate.
Obviously, he wasn't running against Hitler.

You are truly clueless, aren't you?
That depends how you imagine the voting process to work.

Oh, and let's go back to Virginia vs Massachusetts
Where does Virginia outrank Massachusetts

That depends how you imagine the voting process to work.

Oh, and let's go back to Virginia vs Massachusetts
Where does Virginia outrank Massachusetts
I moved that to another thread, which you ignored.

I moved that to another thread, which you ignored.
You mean the imaginary thread that doesn't exist?

You mean the imaginary thread that doesn't exist?
What? Like this one from 30 minutes ago, oh blind one?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11172772&postcount=1

You mean the imaginary thread that doesn't exist?
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=487951

Yes! Using electric shocks to keep those autistic children in line! And the Massachusetts government pays for this!

http://www.cnn.com/2006/EDUCATION/06/15/disabled.youths.ap/index.html

I guess they have the best interests of the children at heart. :rolleyes:
Why are you against this? Arent you the guy that advocated genocide of all arabs/muslims? This seems rather tame.

Why are you against this? Arent you the guy that advocated genocide of all arabs/muslims? This seems rather tame.

You, like so many others, seem to think that I'm motivated by pain, or hate, or something vague like that.

I'm motivated purely by equations of survival. So I can certainly be against this.

You, like so many others, seem to think that I'm motivated by pain, or hate, or something vague like that.

I'm motivated purely by equations of survival. So I can certainly be against this.
But shocking retards is a matter of survival, are you getting soft on us? btw, murdering an entire group of people will not ensure your survival, it will rather ensure the dowfall of your survival.

But shocking retards is a matter of survival, are you getting soft on us? btw, murdering an entire group of people will not ensure your survival, it will rather ensure the dowfall of your survival.

How would the non-existence of one side imply the downfall of the other side?

Since most of the debate seems to center around how Massachusetts could support this school, I'd thought I'd point out:

"Various injuries to students have been reported" at the Judge Rotenberg Center, according to the report released Wednesday by the New York Education Department.

The school in Canton, Massachusetts, receives $50 million a year from New York state to care for and educate about 150 youths because there is no space available in New York for the intensive treatment.

The education department said in a written statement the school must "cease certain interventions that threaten the health and safety of students at the school. Failure to do so would affect its approval to serve New York state students."

This is a New York Education Department school that recieves money from New York that just happens to be located in Massachusetts. Nothing in the article indicates Massachusetts has any control over the school at all.

Aversion Therapy with electric shocks?

Has anyone in here read "Indecent Exposure" by Tom Sharpe.

Bloody hilarious book, especially the results of the shock therapy.

I believe in Euthanasia for crazy people, that is mentally retarded people.

Especially for those born that way.

I believe in Euthanasia for crazy people, that is mentally retarded people.
That's Eugenics. Euthanasia is giving people with cancer an opportunity to die peacefully. One is voluntary, the other is not.

That's Eugenics. Euthanasia is giving people with cancer an opportunity to die peacefully. One is voluntary, the other is not.
Or it could be survival ethics. Back in the times of early man, if a child too large to carry couldn't keep up with the tribe when it fled enemies...

I don't always agree with applying some moral sensibility to every action, as though when others commit actions, we can all see clearly into their minds and read their intent as though it were clearly shown in 1-meter high letters.


When people say, "eugenics", the word itself is now pregnant with moral sensibility, an implied moral stain now applied to whatever you threw the word onto.

south africa today,
has an economy that is performing relitively well, and just like most african countries it to has to deal with crime and AIDS. South africa has one the best constitutions in the world and please don not compare this country to Mugabe's government, when the anc came into power it did not "punish" any whte people instead it sought to move foward towards building a country that recognizes the fundamntal rights of human beings. there is no reverse racsim affirmative action is not reverse racsim, it recognises that 300 years of oppression has lead to gross inequalties and in order to truly achieve equality for all there will be those that need more aid than others, those that were disadvantaged in the past, women, disabled people and non whites.

South Africa today is a well respected nation and not a mockery in the international community.
the economy is doing well- comparitively (to mast african countries), its a vibrant attractive multi racial community, beautiful landmarks. I too have a problem with crime but after a few sundowners on the beach in this great place i cant help but think we've come a long way and it can only get better.

south africa today,

Wrong thread.