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CommentaryI don't know what is up with this, or if its true or what not, i haven't checked any news site, but if anyone knows anything else about this, please add to this.

Evidently Scholars were wrong as to say that Noah's Ark landed in Mt. Ararat, turkey, which kind of gives a blow to the theory of the flooding of the black sea(or was it the aral, i forget which). So if this indeed found to have some credible evidence to it, will this change anyone's mind about the bible, or at least the old testament?



heres the story and the Link (http://www.watch.org/showart.php3?idx=79928&rtn=/index.html&showsubj=1&mcat=1)
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Bill Wilson

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Noah’s Ark, Pieces Intact, Found
in Iran by Bible Explorers -

Wash—June 14—KIN—On June 5th, Bible Historian and explorer Bob Cornuke led an expedition of 15 geologists, historians, archeologists, scientists and attorneys on an exhausting mission 13,300 feet above sea level to locate and document the tremendous sections of what is thought to be Noah’s Ark located in the Ararat mountain range six hours North of Tehran, Iran. It had been essentially buried beneath the preservation of glaciers until last year when Iran recorded the hottest year on record which melted some of the snowcap revealing 450 by 75-foot footprint of the “object.”

Noah’s Ark was claimed to be found in Northern Iran rather than Turkey. Over a thousand expeditions had previously scoured Turkey’s Mt. Ararat, but by following the precise language of the Bible, Cornuke found what is believed to be Noah’s Ark, nearly in tact. Turkey’s Mt. Ararat was incorrect because Marco Polo named the large mountain during his journeys in the 13th century. Through mapping scriptures in Genesis with ancient maps, Cornuke pieced together the clues and found where the Ararat Mountain Range made home for Noah’s Ark in Northern Iran not far from Turkey. Bob Cornuke has been at the center of several controversies over his past findings as he has come at odds with secular scholars, but several people who I know personally were on this expedition as well as some credible, internationally known heads of Christian ministries. Cornuke and the participants are careful to not say emphatically that they found Noah’s Ark, but have taken extensive documentation to present their facts for both the public, and the Biblical and scientific communities.

After crawling on hands and knees miles above the earth’s surface in four below zero weather, the expedition found an altar, which could very well be the altar Noah built because it was made from the same materials they later found in the Ark. They found grapevines over two inches think in the area, of which the DNA from the grapes is the oldest known to man. Genesis 9:20 says that Noah planted a vineyard. But most amazing was the ark itself. It was found in sections, somewhat like a house that had collapsed over the years. Sections of petrified wood 12 to 14 feet high and 40 feet long were found. They found a huge pile of timber, thought to be floors or walls, in four-to-six foot sections.

Geologists took nine samples of the ark under the strict eye of a video team for analysis by the Smithsonian Institute. Over 23,000 feet of video was taken and will be released to the public. You can get your first glimpse of it on Fox News with John Kasich Saturday at 8:00pm Eastern time, according to the Cornuke team. The expedition members hope to spark debate over the Ark; hope to show that the Bible is accurate and true; and hope that people will come to know Christ through the truth that they have revealed. In John 8:32, Jesus said, “And you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free.” May you be revived and energized by the possibility of this wonderful discovery that there is one God and His truth reigns forever.

They've been finding this ark for decades now, on some mountain or other.

I can find a ship, too. Doesn't mean I found a ship that violates the laws of physics by harbouring thousands upon thousands upon thousands of species in a defined finite space that is smaller than that which the animals occupy.

This old story again?

They've been speculating about the wooden structure under the ice for decades.

And they're far from proving that it's anything more than that... a wooden structure.

This thing gets rehashed every time some "biblical scholar" hikes up with the aim of proving the thing is the ark.

*yawn*

This old story again?

They've been speculating about the wooden structure under the ice for decades.

And they're far from proving that it's anything more than that... a wooden structure.

This thing gets rehashed every time some "biblical scholar" hikes up with the aim of proving the thing is the ark.

*yawn*


As the article says, they looked in a totally different place this time, not Mt. Ararat, Turkey, but in Iran. Maybe, just maybe there might be a little bit more to this, than just some useless quest up a mountain.

They've been finding this ark for decades now, on some mountain or other.

I can find a ship, too. Doesn't mean I found a ship that violates the laws of physics by harbouring thousands upon thousands upon thousands of species in a defined finite space that is smaller than that which the animals occupy.


But how does a ship get to be on top of a mountain?

But how does a ship get to be on top of a mountain?

...intoxicated captain...

Because it doesn't.
It was found in sections, somewhat like a house that had collapsed over the years.

But how does a ship get to be on top of a mountain?
Who said it's a ship?
It was found in sections, somewhat like a house that had collapsed over the years.
like a house?
Maybe it is a house.

But how does a ship get to be on top of a mountain?

Someone built it there just to confuse people?

But how does a ship get to be on top of a mountain?

And beyond that, how does it's location have any relevance to the fact that the Ark is entirely implausible?

But how does a ship get to be on top of a mountain?Perhaps someone shipped it there?

(:D)

They've been finding this ark for decades now, on some mountain or other.

I can find a ship, too. Doesn't mean I found a ship that violates the laws of physics by harbouring thousands upon thousands upon thousands of species in a defined finite space that is smaller than that which the animals occupy.
FOOL!
It is Gods ship he can do as he pleases with 'his' mere pyshics!

I don't think it's Noah's ark, because I don't think it ever existed. The bible is not a historically accurate document. However, people will believe what they want to believe, regardless of fact or proof.

But how does a ship get to be on top of a mountain?

Well the story of Noah's Ark is about the Earth flooding then Noah sends a bird to look for land, and it finds land, and if the Earth flooded, the only land would have to be mountains, so then they land there, and made a house, and other things God told them to.

The problems with finding Noah's ark are just about insurmountable. The same as if it actually existed in the first place (things like holding all animals, where the hell the water came from and where did it go to, and so on).

But how does a ship get to be on top of a mountain?

Easy, if you assume that water once covered said mountain.

Seriously though... as one poster already said, this happens every few years. It maybe true, it may not be. There is so much misinformation going on these days, even Christians is probably better off not believing this. They found the ark of the covenant too you know...

Ah...I love the smell of Biblical literalism in the morning.

It is interesting. All who study the Bible understand that most of the stories in it are parables or in the very least have been handed down verbally so are subject to embellishments. The fact that a wooden structure of any kind has been located at such a height does indicate something we don't understand completely. It is interesting that they located an alter and dna shows grapevines at that altitude. It will be interesting to see what else comes of it. And as far as thinking this will change non-believers...ah no it won't. Believers require faith, no amount of finding artifacts is going to give someone that.

Of course it existed! Just like the unicorns and dragons and phoenixes and everything that didn't get on board, drowned, and left no fossils!

But.. but...but!!! The bible says it happened!


Relax ladies and gents, just trying to have a laugh at 2 am;)

The funny thing is about all these post is i dont know if this is true or not but simply saying things that pretty much say.

'It's a bible story it cant be real'

so in real life fellow christians they wont belive it because doing so will mean a end to there 'perfect' little life.

So even if God did appear in the sky tommorow there would be some Ignorant idiot who will think it's a fake.

like a wise man onice said

'It's easier to forgive somebody for being wrong then right'

Ah...I love the smell of Biblical literalism in the morning.
Smells like vague uncertainty?


But seriously. There may have been an ark, just like there may have been a Noah on said ark. However, it's quite obvious that the story was impregnated with fantastic qualities throughout its legacy. To take it literally would be like saying that there once was a Middle Earth.

Besides, I'm much more interested in altars and high-altitude grape vines than an ark. I know, I'm a bit of a weirdo. I just can't help the amateur botanist/eastern philosopher side of me.

Smells like vague uncertainty?

No, it smells like bad cologne if you must know. :p

Smells like a pile of doo doo if you ask me.

No, it smells like bad cologne if you must know. :p
Noah used Axe™?

Smells like a pile of doo doo if you ask me.
Yeah, probably. However, I'm interested to see what John Kasich can tell us on Saturday.

Noah used Axe™?

It would explain how he got all the women and female animals on the ship, no? ;)

It would explain how he got all the women and female animals on the ship, no? ;)
Yeah, he sprayed it everywhere but the ship.

I found Noah's Ark in my bathtub (http://www.heritage-gifts.co.uk/images/the_toy_workshop/NAG1.jpg)
You'll notice that the female lion is checking out the tiger's butt.

Yeah, he sprayed it everywhere but the ship.

Nice. :)

Sorry, I should have put in a disclaimer: I consider myself Christian, have a strong belief in God, consider the teachings of Jesus to be a guide to better living... And don't give a darn whether there's any physical proof of anything in the Bible or not. Too many people get all caught up in the exact words and things found in the Bible and lose scope on what it tries to teach. They, in essence, can't see the forest for the trees. It's the same as the problem with people who take Revelations too seriously, place ridiculous significance on the number 666, and think the world is going to end. They're right, but only because there are so many trigger-happy crazy people with access to a 'big red button'. Stupid nukes...

Nice. :)
It's what I do.

I found Noah's Ark in my bathtub (http://www.heritage-gifts.co.uk/images/the_toy_workshop/NAG1.jpg)
You'll notice that the female lion is checking out the tiger's butt.
Dear God, man! Take that thing over to Fox News right away, you've got the real thing!

Sorry, I should have put in a disclaimer: I consider myself Christian, have a strong belief in God, consider the teachings of Jesus to be a guide to better living... And don't give a darn whether there's any physical proof of anything in the Bible or not. Too many people get all caught up in the exact words and things found in the Bible and lose scope on what it tries to teach. They, in essence, can't see the forest for the trees. It's the same as the problem with people who take Revelations too seriously, place ridiculous significance on the number 666, and think the world is going to end. They're right, but only because there are so many trigger-happy crazy people with access to a 'big red button'. Stupid nukes...
Amen, brother. Well, except for the nukes part. I'm a supporter of total annihilation.

Amen, brother. Well, except for the nukes part. I'm a supporter of total annihilation.

*Sister. :D

*Sister. :D
Second cousin, twice removed?









...I'll go now...

*Sister. :D
Excuse me. Sister.

You know, I can't find mention of this press release anywhere else?

I also checked out Fox News and they aren't broadcasting this Saturday about it either.

Hmmm....

Noah used Axe™?


Yeah, probably. However, I'm interested to see what John Kasich can tell us on Saturday.
*Google Images*
http://www.jrn.columbia.edu/thirdrail/1998/final/TRENDS/whitehouse2k/images/kasichbutton.gif
http://www.c-span.org/questions/images/kasich.jpg

As the article says, they looked in a totally different place this time, not Mt. Ararat, Turkey, but in Iran. Maybe, just maybe there might be a little bit more to this, than just some useless quest up a mountain.


Pretty ridiculous story.

What is "watch.org" anyways? Some kind of wacko blog?

The 'world flood' myth is especially silly with the 'magical boat' part added in like the bible does.

Rubbish and more rubbish.

*Google Images*
http://www.jrn.columbia.edu/thirdrail/1998/final/TRENDS/whitehouse2k/images/kasichbutton.gif
http://www.c-span.org/questions/images/kasich.jpg
No. No John Kasich for president. I'm fairly conservative, but John Kasich is ridiculous.

Pretty ridiculous story.

What is "watch.org" anyways? Some kind of wacko blog?

The 'world flood' myth is especially silly with the 'magical boat' part added in like the bible does.

Rubbish and more rubbish.
Watch.org, according to their mission statement, is a news organization at the White House dedicated to bringing frontline news from Israel in its entirety. So basically, yeah.

Of course, the flood is exaggerated. And the boat certainly wasn't magical. I mean, come on, guys. It is well known that Noah used his abundance of Axe cans (given to him by God, of course) to fashion a rudimentary aircraft for which to land atop a mountain for some reason. Axe, magical? Hmm?

No. No John Kasich for president. I'm fairly conservative, but John Kasich is ridiculous.


Watch.org, according to their mission statement, is a news organization at the White House dedicated to bringing frontline news from Israel in its entirety. So basically, yeah.

Of course, the flood is exaggerated. And the boat certainly wasn't magical. I mean, come on, guys. It is well known that Noah used his abundance of Axe cans (given to him by God, of course) to fashion a rudimentary aircraft for which to land atop a mountain for some reason. Axe, magical? Hmm?


not "at the white house," but run as the personal website of an "accredited white house corrospondent"

not "at the white house," but run as the personal website of an "accredited white house corrospondent"
Well, yeah. I knew that.

No. No John Kasich for president. I'm fairly conservative, but John Kasich is ridiculous.
But he loves America.:(

And beyond that, how does it's location have any relevance to the fact that the Ark is entirely implausible?

The power of Myth.

Just because the world didn't flood, and Noah wasn't the only human descendant and did not carry two of every animal on earth does not mean that there wasn't A flood, and there wasn't A man named Noah who built a massive ship to save his extended family along with an impressive amount of livestock.

Exaggeration of actual facts of the time often build compelling myths. But the question one would have to ask IF there was an ark, and IF there was a Noah isn't whether the whole myth is true, but rather: How did he know to build it?

How did he know to build it?

ESPN, obviously. ;)

But he loves America.:(
He may love America, but he's way over the top when it comes to politics. Also, he doesn't make a very good substitute for O'Reilly.

ESPN, obviously. ;)
-high five-

ESPN, obviously. ;)
I bet Kenny Mayne told him to.
http://www.ctam.com/conferences/summit/2003/photos-press/2003_0720_190126AA.jpg

ESPN, obviously. ;)

Noah was the World's First Surfer! :eek:

I bet Kenny Mayne told him to.
http://www.ctam.com/conferences/summit/2003/photos-press/2003_0720_190126AA.jpg
Or maybe Blackie Lawless.
http://www.waspnation.com/Archives/Pics/Codpiece.jpg

There has been evidence suggesting that the black sea might once have been flooded more or less spontaneousely. The flood myth is rather a rather popular one not only appearing in the bible but also in northern, mesopotamian and many other mythologies, which imho indicates that there has been at some point in ancient history a flood of massive proportions. I believe the judeo-christian mythology just took the myth, added a little divine intervention to it and sold it as a classical biblical story. During the founding days of christianity, the early christians often adopted myths and practices from concurrent, more successful religions, for example the cult of Mithras, sol invictus, which was exceedingly popular and considered state religion in Rome during the first few years of christianity, celebrates the birth of Mithras on Dec 21th, and there is evidence that early christians placed the birthdate of Jesus to match this date in order to create similar myths with which the wealthy and influential Romans could identfy, thus switching over to christianity.

:rolleyes:

That is all.

they keep finding ships on different mountaians lets forgetaboutit. after all, the bible is the biggest lie ever told, we should all know that.

They found the ark of the covenant too you know...

I saw that documentary a bunch of years ago. It had snakes, and sand, and Nazis, and Harrison Ford. I didn't even think ol' Han was alive yet back then. :p ;)

There has been evidence suggesting that the black sea might once have been flooded more or less spontaneousely. The flood myth is rather a rather popular one not only appearing in the bible but also in northern, mesopotamian and many other mythologies, which imho indicates that there has been at some point in ancient history a flood of massive proportions. I believe the judeo-christian mythology just took the myth, added a little divine intervention to it and sold it as a classical biblical story. During the founding days of christianity, the early christians often adopted myths and practices from concurrent, more successful religions, for example the cult of Mithras, sol invictus, which was exceedingly popular and considered state religion in Rome during the first few years of christianity, celebrates the birth of Mithras on Dec 21th, and there is evidence that early christians placed the birthdate of Jesus to match this date in order to create similar myths with which the wealthy and influential Romans could identfy, thus switching over to christianity.
The "Noah's Flood" story was ripped from a Babylonian folktale while the Jews were all hanging around in Babylon drinking coffee and copying old myths to turn into Jewish ones.

I saw that documentary a bunch of years ago. It had snakes, and sand, and Nazis, and Harrison Ford. I didn't even think ol' Han was alive yet back then. :p ;)
There are always Nazis whenever there is a piece of Christian mythos to be found, they are attracted to them like flies to a rotting carcass on the side of a road.

Its a big stretch from going. "hey theres a peice of wood there on that mountain". To saying "omg piece of wood on mountain, it has to be noahs ark!! therefore all of the bible is true, lets go burn witches!!" without considering the asbolute multitude of other possibilities.

Its a big stretch from going. "hey theres a peice of wood there on that mountain". To saying "omg piece of wood on mountain, it has to be noahs ark!! therefore all of the bible is true, lets go burn witches!!" without considering the asbolute multitude of other possibilities.
It is obviously the Elonians from Guild Wars, not Noah.

Not to be pedantic, but how does its being archaic necessarily reneder it biblical?

they keep finding ships on different mountaians lets forgetaboutit. after all, the bible is the biggest lie ever told, we should all know that.

Most of these so-called findings of Noah's Ark by "biblical archaeologists" turn out to have a much more credible explanation. Like they are an old sleigh discarded by Santa.

Even if the wood from the ark was preserved, I highly doubt it would be shaped like a boat now.

They probably dismantled the ark and made a settlement using the bits. When you are short of supplies you are not going to let good wood go to waste.

I believe there was an ark, but I don't think it'll ever be found for the above reason.


And just for the record, the ark was not a bit of mythos taken by the Romans to bouy up Christianity.

The ark story has been a part of Jewish history long before Christianity.

CommentaryI don't know what is up with this, or if its true or what not, i haven't checked any news site, but if anyone knows anything else about this, please add to this.

Evidently Scholars were wrong as to say that Noah's Ark landed in Mt. Ararat, turkey, which kind of gives a blow to the theory of the flooding of the black sea(or was it the aral, i forget which). So if this indeed found to have some credible evidence to it, will this change anyone's mind about the bible, or at least the old testament?
I sense another Dan Brown book on the way.

The ark story has been a part of Jewish history long before Christianity.
And then some!

And just for the record, the ark was not a bit of mythos taken by the Romans to bouy up Christianity.

The ark story has been a part of Jewish history long before Christianity.



Someone actually claimed that? Ridiculous.

It was a part of jewish myth before christianity was invented, and it was a part of babylonian myth before that.

None of this is controversial.

People seem to forget that they found the DNA ever found and that it was from a grapevine (as the Bible says) and that they found an alter...

So maybe there is slightly more too it.

People seem to forget that they found the oldest biological matter ever found and that it was a grapevine (as the Bible says) and that they found an alter...


And they found it all at the end of the rainbow, buried under the leprechaun's pot of gold.

I sense another Dan Brown book on the way.
The Catholic Church has been promoting a vast cover up conspiracy to hide the fact that Noah's Ark ... was really a SKIFF!!!!! :eek:

Who said it's a ship?

like a house?
Maybe it is a house.

They talk about an altar....

...which, for me, makes it far more likely that there was some sort of religious building there or something, which had an altar, and has since collapsed...

The Catholic Church has been promoting a vast conver up conspiracy to hide the fact that Noah's Ark ... was really a SKIFF!!!!! :eek:

to hide the fact that Noah survived the flood, found dry land, got married and had children.....


oh wait....

The funny thing is about all these post is i dont know if this is true or not but simply saying things that pretty much say.

'It's a bible story it cant be real'

so in real life fellow christians they wont belive it because doing so will mean a end to there 'perfect' little life.

So even if God did appear in the sky tommorow there would be some Ignorant idiot who will think it's a fake.

like a wise man onice said

'It's easier to forgive somebody for being wrong then right'
You could be a little smoother in your delivery, but I do believe that your observations are correct. The wise ones will let the "experts" wade through the mountain of evidence, and make an informed decision, whilst those that dwell in complete denial will insert their fingers in their ears and wrap their hands over their eyes. However, this attitude of hear no evil, see no evil, won't prevent them from flapping their gums, a mile a minute, as they give us their version of the "truth".

They talk about an altar....

...which, for me, makes it far more likely that there was some sort of religious building there or something, which had an altar, and has since collapsed...
Has anyone here seen "The Razor's Edge" (1984) with Bill Murray? Murray's character visits an altar in the Himalayas at one point in the film. John Byrum probably chose to film at that spot because it's really the location of Noah's ark.

Give me some cameras and a good special effects team, or hell, drop some acid, and you'll see god in the sky.

It's an ancient abandoned grow-op.

Well, obviously, now the truth is clear.

All life was wiped out by the waters covering the earth (and the rest).

Later, only one family survived (with their menagerie).

The australian aborignies are clearly just a figment of our imagination.

On a plus note I suppose this means the confederacy was right.