NationStates Jolt Archive

To follow up Deep Kimchi's thread about Zarqawi's Flash Drive,
(http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=487773),
Let's hear your thoughts about what was on it.

My bet is:
all 5 episodes of "Saladfingers"
"Rocks" by Primal Scream
"Highway to Hell" by AC/DC
The May edition of "Barely legal", D/L'ed from a torrent site
A photoshopped pic of Karl Rove and GWB going at it
and
those bloody Danish cartoons

A recipe for fruit-salad w/ ginger-sorbet
A PDF titled "Al-Zarquawi's tactics"

Probably kiddie porn. Sicko.

Homemade snuff films.

... a installment of America's Army. ;)

Please, make a POLL!

I think it was, anyway, the book he was writing:

Jihad on 2 dinars a day.

OR

Throatcutting for dummies.

Fake photos of Mahmud Ahmadinejad and Osama Bin Laden going down and dirty, for his personal enjoyment, along with footages of iranian men beating women.

Oh, and a congratulations card on his success by Hugo Chávez, Fidel Castro, and Mugabe.

I hope anything can be find framing those three, specially Chávez.

Oh, and a congratulations card on his success by Hugo Chávez, Fidel Castro, and Mugabe.

I hope anything can be find framing those three, specially Chávez.

Someone's on a vendetta.

All they'll find will be a version of Minesweeper with no high scores. He still thought it was the point of the game to blow up as soon as possible.

One Night in Paris (Hilton)

To defeat his enemy he must understand it.

Someone's on a vendetta.

All they'll find will be a version of Minesweeper with no high scores. He still thought it was the point of the game to blow up as soon as possible.


*rofling*

Nice one!

All they'll find will be a version of Minesweeper with no high scores. He still thought it was the point of the game to blow up as soon as possible.
You mightn't win this thread, but right now you're way out in front with this post.
Classic. :)

A pirated copy of Counterstrike, and various cheats and hacks.

You know he had to be a wallhacker.

Oh, and a congratulations card on his success by Hugo Chávez, Fidel Castro, and Mugabe.

I hope anything can be find framing those three, specially Chávez.Especially Chavez? I think you must be far too US-centric in the news you read/watch.

Here's a quote from wiki about Carlos the Jackal's book Revolutionary Islam.
In June 2003, Ramírez Sánchez published a collection of writings from his jail cell. The book, whose title translates to Revolutionary Islam, seeks to explain and defend violence in terms of class conflict. In the book, he voices support for Osama bin Laden and his attacks on the United States. He also supports Saddam Hussein for resisting against USA, calling him "Last Arabic Knight".

And here is an article from all of two weeks ago about Chavez calling Carlos a friend. Is this not enough for you?
http://english.eluniversal.com/2006/06/01/en_pol_art_01A715847.shtml
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13092701/ <- US article with added spin.

A Word file entitled 'What I Did On My Holidays', which is being secretly distributed across the Middle East in order to subvert the established order. Whatever that is.

Especially Chavez? I think you must be far too US-centric in the news you read/watch.


Contrary to popular opinion, Chavez is far more obsessed with the US than the US public is with Chavez.

He thinks we're sitting offshore, about to invade, and we're watching reruns of The Simpsons.

Contrary to popular opinion, Chavez is far more obsessed with the US than the US public is with Chavez.

He thinks we're sitting offshore, about to invade, and we're watching reruns of The Simpsons.

That's crazy. People still watch the Simpsons?

That's crazy. People still watch the Simpsons?
Yes.

A Dummies Guide To Winning the Hearts and Minds of the Populace.
Not sold in the USA

Contrary to popular opinion, Chavez is far more obsessed with the US than the US public is with Chavez.

He thinks we're sitting offshore, about to invade, and we're watching reruns of The Simpsons.I'm pretty sure that's what I meant... that because of the... no coverage of chavez... uh... what?

A Dummies Guide To Winning the Hearts and Minds of the Populace.
Not sold in the USAAnd still in its original packaging? Mint condition.

I'm pretty sure that's what I meant... that because of the... no coverage of chavez... uh... what?
There are only a few types of "Chavez" news stories here that get wide play (well, back page play).

1. Chavez Thinks US Is Invading (we all get a good laugh).
2. Chavez Buys Russian Military Stuff (because he thinks we're going to invade - once again, a good laugh).
3. Chavez Says He's Achieved 100% Literacy (hilarious!)
4. Chavez Wants To Sell Oil To Poor People (nice idea, but never implemented, so it's just more bullshit).

After a while, you've seen all the Chavez stories, and it gets rather boring. At least they're still minting new episodes of the Simpsons.

Machine guns for Dummies
Pirated Adobe Photoshop software
recipes for goat stew
video of "They're taking the Hobbits to Isengarde!"

A complete collection of Next Door Nikki's photos.

After a while, you've seen all the Chavez stories, and it gets rather boring. At least they're still minting new episodes of the Simpsons.
Yeah, but they're all crap.

The Pope Is Satan and Other Bedtime Stories.

101 ways to get more lice in your beard.

CIA-evasion made easy.

There are only a few types of "Chavez" news stories here that get wide play (well, back page play).

1. Chavez Thinks US Is Invading (we all get a good laugh).
2. Chavez Buys Russian Military Stuff (because he thinks we're going to invade - once again, a good laugh).
3. Chavez Says He's Achieved 100% Literacy (hilarious!)
4. Chavez Wants To Sell Oil To Poor People (nice idea, but never implemented, so it's just more bullshit).

After a while, you've seen all the Chavez stories, and it gets rather boring. At least they're still minting new episodes of the Simpsons.Personally I'd rather have to watch news stories about Chavez than live though the new episodes of the Simpsons.

"Zoophilia Presents - Donkey Gangbang"
"My Pal My Goat"
"Jihadi Circle Jerk Camp"

There are only a few types of "Chavez" news stories here that get wide play (well, back page play).

1. Chavez Thinks US Is Invading (we all get a good laugh).
The US has never tried to shadow invade any South American countries and overthrow their governments, no sir.
2. Chavez Buys Russian Military Stuff (because he thinks we're going to invade - once again, a good laugh).
Where else is he going to get military equipment?
3. Chavez Says He's Achieved 100% Literacy (hilarious!)
Just because the US can't do it doesn't mean other countries can't.
4. Chavez Wants To Sell Oil To Poor People (nice idea, but never implemented, so it's just more bullshit).
I'm pretty sure he implemented that.

The US has never tried to shadow invade any South American countries and overthrow their governments, no sir.

Not since Kissinger.

Where else is he going to get military equipment?
Let's see, who exactly is going to invade Venezuela that could be stopped by a handful of Russian fighters? Or would that money be better spent on the poor people who placed their faith in him?

Just because the US can't do it doesn't mean other countries can't.
100% literacy is bullshit

I'm pretty sure he implemented that.

Link please. To something showing US poor receiving shipments of oil.

Not since Kissinger.
Not with media attention anyway.

Let's see, who exactly is going to invade Venezuela that could be stopped by a handful of Russian fighters?
Aliens. Probably the the same people who are going to make use out of the program for whatever that plane is that can lift off like a helicopter that is getting assloads of cash thrown at it as fast as assloads of cash can be gathered.


100% literacy is bullshit
No, the literacy rate in America is bullshit.

Not with media attention anyway.


There's that illogic again - "hey, because a nation did something in the past, means they'll do it again, and in fact are still doing it even if we can't see it".

I guess we had better watch Germany closely then, since they once had a habit of stuffing people into ovens.

Especially Chavez? I think you must be far too US-centric in the news you read/watch.


Nah, I live in Venezuela, and proudly a venezuelan. I live everyday's reality around here.

Thanks for reading actual venezuelan news, as my former employer "El Universal" :D

And yeah, Chávez is filled to the head with bullshit.

Are you sure you don't want to help us to overthrow him?

There's that illogic again - "hey, because a nation did something in the past, means they'll do it again, and in fact are still doing it even if we can't see it".
Yeah, it's not like those previous programs were covert ops or anything.

Nah, I live in Venezuela, and proudly a venezuelan. I live everyday's reality around here.

Thanks for reading actual venezuelan news, as my former employer "El Universal" :D

And yeah, Chávez is filled to the head with bullshit.

Are you sure you don't want to help us to overthrow him?

Nope. If you want to change governments, do it.

Oh, and make sure you tell Pantless that we didn't do it. Pantless won't believe you - any overthrow of any government that Pantless likes is obviously the result of a CIA plot.

Nope. If you want to change governments, do it.


It doesn't seem to be so easy. :(

Nah, I live in Venezuela, and proudly a venezuelan. I live everyday's reality around here.

Thanks for reading actual venezuelan news, as my former employer "El Universal" :D

And yeah, Chávez is filled to the head with bullshit.

Are you sure you don't want to help us to overthrow him?Oops... now don't I feel silly.

As for the revolution... meh... I'm too lazy, I think I'd rather sit through new episode of the Simpsons.

I'm actually feeling very politcally apathetic at the moment as all 3 main politcal parties of the West Midlands, UK have been caught engaging in electoral fraud.

It doesn't seem to be so easy. :(
Throughout history, there have been revolutions.
And every revolution begins with one person.

Be that person.

Yes, it's not easy.

Alternatively, you could just wait until the people who voted for him (let's say the poor) figure out that he's spending all the money on fancy jet fighters instead of giving the money to them like he promised. At that point, you should stay in your house while the rioters burn down the government and string Chavez up from a lightpole.

Throughout history, there have been revolutions.
And every revolution begins with one person.

Be that person.

Yes, it's not easy.

Alternatively, you could just wait until the people who voted for him (let's say the poor) figure out that he's spending all the money on fancy jet fighters instead of giving the money to them like he promised. At that point, you should stay in your house while the rioters burn down the government and string Chavez up from a lightpole.

I wonder if inciting revolution in other countries is against the forum TOS...

I wonder if inciting revolution in other countries is against the forum TOS...
I could argue that I was just quoting Captain Kirk.

Nope. If you want to change governments, do it.

Oh, and make sure you tell Pantless that we didn't do it. Pantless won't believe you - any overthrow of any government that Pantless likes is obviously the result of a CIA plot.
Is nice there? In your fantasy world I mean.

Is nice there? In your fantasy world I mean.
You're the one who believes we don't need evidence to believe that something is absolutely true.

Oh wait, I get it.

Are you a Christian?

Yeah, but they're all crap.
Aye, it's sad. They still have some good one-liners in, but never seem to come together as a satisfying story anymore. :(

I could argue that I was just quoting Captain Kirk.

Hell, it works for me. :)

You're the one who believes we don't need evidence to believe that something is absolutely true.

Oh wait, I get it.

Are you a Christian?
You people see what I mean right? He is just pulling stuff out of a fucking hat.

You people see what I mean right? He is just pulling stuff out of a fucking hat.

He just was swearing!!!!
*ready to gang up on the blasphemer...*

Throughout history, there have been revolutions.
And every revolution begins with one person.

Be that person.

Yes, it's not easy.

Alternatively, you could just wait until the people who voted for him (let's say the poor) figure out that he's spending all the money on fancy jet fighters instead of giving the money to them like he promised. At that point, you should stay in your house while the rioters burn down the government and string Chavez up from a lightpole.

Heh...

I'm trying, again, it doesn't seem to be so easy. Yet I am doing as much as I can, trying everyday.

That people already realized that. Check the results on the parlamentary elections of last december. The goverment have nifty mechanics to prevent that from happening, like cheating on the elections or threatening people to kick them out of their jobs if they vote against it.

Remember that the secrecy of the voting in Venezuela has been compromized since 2003. For example, the goverment knows exactly that I vote against them, and they even had an internet site depicting those who did.

I went out to give media coverage in April of 2002, during the manifestations when Chávez was convinced to quit. I have been under fire under those premises, with companions going down and soaking up gas with bullets ricocheting all over. I have faced after militia and National Guards with just fanning a flag around and a press ID, knowing they were specially targetting journalists. I won't stay on my house, I'll be there and see him hanging from that pole, if that ever happens. Home is for cowards or uncompromised people. I am neither.

Boom

Heh...

I'm trying, again, it doesn't seem to be so easy. Yet I am doing as much as I can, trying everyday.

That people already realized that. Check the results on the parlamentary elections of last december. The goverment have nifty mechanics to prevent that from happening, like cheating on the elections or threatening people to kick them out of their jobs if they vote against it.

Remember that the secrecy of the voting in Venezuela has been compromized since 2003. For example, the goverment knows exactly that I vote against them, and they even had an internet site depicting those who did.

I went out to give media coverage in April of 2002, during the manifestations when Chávez was convinced to quit. I have been under fire under those premises, with companions going down and soaking up gas with bullets ricocheting all over. I have faced after militia and National Guards with just fanning a flag around and a press ID, knowing they were specially targetting journalists. I won't stay on my house, I'll be there and see him hanging from that pole, if that ever happens. Home is for cowards or uncompromised people. I am neither.

Finally, someone on this forum I can admire for something other than spamming ability. :cool:

Finally, someone on this forum I can admire for something other than spamming ability. :cool:

Thanks, but just help me to change international matrix of opinion regarding Chávez's Goverment. Spread the voice, he's no hero, he's no paladin. He's a megalomaniac opressor of his people and a cheater. Tell those you know that many people here is trying to fight back and yet we have to face the ignorance of other people who do not know nothing about our country or our situation.

I could leave this country easily, I have both the spanish nationality, my EU passport and familiy in Spain that would help me out if I move (actually, they are always trying to convince me to move over there), with my credentials and studies being able to find a comfortable job as many of the valuable people of this country have done.

But that's not my style, if you run instead of facing what you believe to be wrong, how can you wake up everyday and look yourself at the mirror?.

Thanks, but just help me to change international matrix of opinion regarding Chávez's Goverment. Spread the voice, he's no hero, he's no paladin. He's a megalomaniac opressor of his people and a cheater. Tell those you know that many people here is trying to fight back and yet we have to face the ignorance of other people who do not know nothing about our country or our situation.

I could leave this country easily, I have both the spanish nationality, my EU passport and familiy in Spain that would help me out if I move (actually, they are always trying to convince me to move over there), with my credentials and studies being able to find a comfortable job as many of the valuable people of this country have done.

But that's not my style, if you run instead of facing what you believe to be wrong, how can you wake up everyday and look yourself at the mirror?.

You should argue this with Sinuhue, who thinks Chavez is the greatest thing since sliced bread, the microwave oven, and Fidel Castro.

I think Pantless likes Chavez, too, and thinks that the Venezuelans love him. So you might have to do some convincing there, too.

What was on Zarqawi's Flash Drive?
Your momma's telephone number! :D

But that's not my style, if you run instead of facing what you believe to be wrong, how can you wake up everyday and look yourself at the mirror?.

No puedes. Chavez es un loco. Aplaudo y apoyo completamente tus esfuerzos de exponerlo.

You should argue this with Sinuhue, who thinks Chavez is the greatest thing since sliced bread, the microwave oven, and Fidel Castro.

I think Pantless likes Chavez, too, and thinks that the Venezuelans love him. So you might have to do some convincing there, too.
Remember children, in the militaristic police state that Deep Kimchi fantasises about, the government tells you what you think.

Remember children, in the militaristic police state that Deep Kimchi fantasises about, the government tells you what you think.

And remember, too, children, in the "populist" police state about which Teh_pantless_hero fantasises, the government tells you what you think.

And remember, too, children, in the "populist" police state about which Teh_pantless_hero fantasises, the government tells you what you think.
I'm not putting words in anyones mouth, I am just commenting on the fact Deep Kimchi has done it in every post about me for the past day and a half.
Too bad all of you people miss subtle things like "implication," "sarcasm," and the like.

Let's play "Find the closet fascist not telling Teh_pantless_hero what he is saying or thinking." It will be harder than finding diversity in the Abercrombie & Fitch catalogue.

Ok kids, don't make me turn this car around!

I'm not putting words in anyones mouth, I am just commenting on the fact Deep Kimchi has done it in every post about me for the past day and a half.
I'm not putting words in your mouth - I'm using your logic, and your stated love of the Chavez government.

After all, you said that because the US government (or US military, or anything US) did something in the past, that means they're doing it now.

So I can use that logic for all political groups, nations, and politicians.

It doesn't seem to be so easy. :(
I'll help you, freedom is on the march and I will be happy to overthrow that unelected dictator. America stands on the side of freedom and democracy.

I'm not putting words in your mouth - I'm using your logic,
No, using my logic would be mocking me by making statements about facts and other things - not telling me what I supposedly think or said.

No, using my logic would be maknig statements about facts and other things - not telling me what I think.
You can't deny that you've said that because something was done by the US in the past, they are doing it now.

It's called being illogical. A non-sequitur. Which is how you think (based entirely on your posts).

He just was swearing!!!!
*ready to gang up on the blasphemer...*

All he said was "This piece of Halibut is good enough for Jehovah"...

I'm not putting words in anyones mouth, I am just commenting on the fact Deep Kimchi has done it in every post about me for the past day and a half.
Too bad all of you people miss subtle things like "implication," "sarcasm," and the like.

Let's play "Find the closet fascist not telling Teh_pantless_hero what he is saying or thinking." It will be harder than finding diversity in the Abercrombie & Fitch catalogue.

When you use "implication," you open yourself up to people putting words in your mouth. So let's cut to the chase: do you support Chavez or not?

There are only a few types of "Chavez" news stories here that get wide play (well, back page play).

...
3. Chavez Says He's Achieved 100% Literacy (hilarious!)
...

100% literacy is bullshit


99% is actually the claimed figure.

Thanks, but just help me to change international matrix of opinion regarding Chávez's Goverment. Spread the voice, he's no hero, he's no paladin. He's a megalomaniac opressor of his people and a cheater. Tell those you know that many people here is trying to fight back and yet we have to face the ignorance of other people who do not know nothing about our country or our situation.

I could leave this country easily, I have both the spanish nationality, my EU passport and familiy in Spain that would help me out if I move (actually, they are always trying to convince me to move over there), with my credentials and studies being able to find a comfortable job as many of the valuable people of this country have done.

But that's not my style, if you run instead of facing what you believe to be wrong, how can you wake up everyday and look yourself at the mirror?.


As much as we disagree about...well almost everything ..:D

Your country and the world are a better place because of you and people like you .

Your country and the world are a better place because of you and people like you .

I couldn't agree more.

99% is actually the claimed figure.

Achieved in how many years?
[sceptic mode}

Achieved in how many years?
[sceptic mode}
Within a year of his election.

Yeah, I was speaking of you trying to help me to change the minds of people like Sinuhue on that matter, indeed.

I do not agree politically with Deep Kimchi, he knows that, as I think this is the first issue in we do not heavily argue against each other. His views of the militaristic police state are disgusting to me.

And regarding Teh_pantless_hero, I do not agree with the populist, leftist, police state, that I find as disgusting as the former.

If you could realize how close are your both proposals, you would be sickened too. Chávez is a nice show of both, he's a militarist and a populist, BOTH. Imagine why we hate him.

Sovietstan, come here, I'll put you in contact with our resistencia. Sorry that we do not have or use guns, but you can be proud of being a hero facing armed people with just a banner or a flag.

And thanks again, Cluitchstan, for people like you we realize that our efforts count for something.

Any police state is disgusting, no matter whether it be left or right.

Actually Aelosia, I believe the fascist police state is the natural endpoint of most forms of government (some sooner than others) - whether you start out as a democracy, republic, market socialist, or Communist state.

It's a natural development, just like syphilis and leprosy.

Not that it's the right form of government, but it's the logical outcome when people want their results right now (instead of figuring out a long term plan).

Whenever someone promises you that, "if you elect me, this problem <insert name here> will be solved before my term is up" he's either not going to try, or he's going to slide the country a little bit towards fascism.

Within a year of his election.

???

He was elected in 1998, took office in 1999, re-elected in 2000, and the claim was issued in 2005.

You can't deny that you've said that because something was done by the US in the past, they are doing it now.

It's called being illogical. A non-sequitur. Which is how you think (based entirely on your posts).
Which is entirely beside the point that you are repeatedly telling other people and myself what I "said" and, moreover, what I think.

???

He was elected in 1998, took office in 1999, re-elected in 2000, and the claim was issued in 2005.
He said it only took a year.

I would hope that the same popular movement that put him in power can remove him...but..the longer he stays in charge and gets to mold the Army and the police and most importantly the judicial system the harder it will be to get him out without support from your military or without guns .

He has already taken steps to muzzle dissent and history shows that as soon as his opponents come close to outnumbering his proponents..well his opponents will start to just " vanish "..starting with the most outspoken ones.

Achieved in how many years?
[sceptic mode}

I believe their literacy drive started in 2000.

His nation and password for nationstates :eek:

Just look for someone who stopped posting suddenly.

I would like to know where I showed support for a "populist, leftist state" outside of Cluichstan's bullshit statement.

I would like to know where I showed support for a "populist, leftist state" outside of Cluichstan's bullshit statement.
You accused the US of trying to overthrow the Chavez government on the basis of "the US did it before with other countries, so they must be secretly doing it now".

His nation and password for nationstates :eek:

Just look for someone who stopped posting suddenly.

Zarqawi was UN Abassadorship!!! :eek:

lol

I believe their literacy drive started in 2000.


99% achieved in 6 years - I wonder what percentage of the population went through the educational system during that period...

He said it only took a year.

So, if they achieved 100% literacy in 2000, why did they later claim to have achieved 99% literacy in 2005?

I was a voluntary ad-honorem teacher in a high school located in a humble barrio here in Caracas for two years, (a barrio is like a favela in Brasil, a poor neighbourhood, perhaps similra to the color people ghettos in the United States) and I tried to teach things to those people that achieved "literacy" under the current administration.

It was awful, they do not know how to read, they release them with only the ability of catching a few phrases, after being wrongly instructed by Cuban (payed heavily) "teachers". Their writing was not effective, as mostly their spelling was unintelligible, and they had heavy problems with grammar.

They were a quarter as effective as a normal students, as the goverment do not care if the really learn to read and write, they only want for them to inscribe in the programs so they can pump up the numbers and brag about it.

That Misión (program of literacy) was a fake.

I would like to know where I showed support for a "populist, leftist state" outside of Cluichstan's bullshit statement.

You did so with your implicit support of Chavez's government. You still have yet to reply to my direct question: do you support Chavez or not? Until you do, you're the one slinging bullshit around.

You did so with your implicit support of Chavez's government. You still have yet to reply to my direct question: do you support Chavez or not? Until you do, you're the one slinging bullshit around.
Watch this carefully - you can't pin down Pantless on something unless you quote him in your own post - Pantless edits posts at a furious pace.

You accused the US of trying to overthrow the Chavez government on the basis of "the US did it before with other countries, so they must be secretly doing it now".
Nope, try again.

You did so with your implicit support of Chavez's government. You still have yet to reply to my direct question: do you support Chavez or not? Until you do, you're the one slinging bullshit around.
I'm sorry that you think not agreeing with your opinions equals support for those you disagree with.

I was a voluntary ad-honorem teacher in a high school located in a humble barrio here in Caracas for two years, (a barrio is like a favela in Brasil, a poor neighbourhood, perhaps similra to the color people ghettos in the United States) and I tried to teach things to those people that achieved "literacy" under the current administration.

It was awful, they do not know how to read, they release them with only the ability of catching a few phrases, after being wrongly instructed by Cuban (payed heavily) "teachers". Their writing was not effective, as mostly their spelling was unintelligible, and they had heavy problems with grammar.

They were a quarter as effective as a normal students, as the goverment do not care if the really learn to read and write, they only want for them to inscribe in the programs so they can pump up the numbers and brag about it.

That Misión (program of literacy) was a fake.


Well if he is a proper Marxist then he must have enough literacy among the population to be able to teach the proper state propaganda ...if he gets added benifits like "recognition " for his efforts then its all gravy is it not ?
How much reading is needed to learn the proper state sponsored slogans ?

I'm sorry that you think not agreeing with your opinions equals support for those you disagree with.

Still not answering the fucking question. :rolleyes:

Well if he is a proper Marxist then he must have enough literacy among the population to be able to teach the proper state propaganda ...if he gets added benifits like "recognition " for his efforts then its all gravy is it not ?
How much reading is needed to learn the proper state sponsored slogans ?
"America is the white devil" shouldn't be too hard to get in Spanish.

Still not answering the fucking question. :rolleyes:
Depends what bullshit black or white question you asked.

Well if he is a proper Marxist then he must have enough literacy among the population to be able to teach the proper state propaganda ...if he gets added benifits like "recognition " for his efforts then its all gravy is it not ?
How much reading is needed to learn the proper state sponsored slogans ?

Let's see...

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength

Let's see...

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
"Liberals are evil"
"Nationalising programs is communism"
"Communism is evil"
"liberals support communism"

"Liberals are evil"
"Nationalising programs is communism"
"Communism is evil"
"liberals support communism"
So, you support Chavez, or not?

Depends what bullshit black or white question you asked.

I'll ask it a third time, though I doubt you'll answer it anyway. Do you support the Chavez government? It's a simple yes-or-no question.

99% achieved in 6 years - I wonder what percentage of the population went through the educational system during that period...

I believe 1.5 million going through the programme is the reported figure for the years 2003-2005, which would work out at about 6% of their population, or sufficient to bring the percentage from 93% to about 99%.

So, you support Chavez, or not?

That makes four times now he's been asked this directly. I doubt we're going to get an answer. :rolleyes:

I'm thinking of starting another thread called:
"Dude, where's my thread?"

I'll ask it a third time, though I doubt you'll answer it anyway. Do you support the Chavez government? It's a simple yes-or-no question.
I would go slink away and hide in the gray areas but they don't exist in your fantasy worlds.

Well if he is a proper Marxist then he must have enough literacy among the population to be able to teach the proper state propaganda ...if he gets added benifits like "recognition " for his efforts then its all gravy is it not ?
How much reading is needed to learn the proper state sponsored slogans ?

Thanks for explaining it further. Although the program didn't teach them how to properly read and write, it helped them to tell from memory the entire biography of Ernesto Che Guevara and to know what those red t shirts they gave to everone with the face of Chávez in it says. (I'm not implying that knowing from memory the biography of Castro or Guevara is wrong, but c'mon)

It wasn't a program designed to help the people, but to plant ideology in them. Care to know what a 15 years old girl, without a father for both her or her babies, with two little children really needs? It is not to discuss about marxism, or geopolitics, or the evils of the imperialism (that indeed exist, but that's not the point). She needs milk for her babies, a shoulder to cry, support from someone who really wants to help and a decent job.

And furthermore, she needs real education, the one that helps you to find a good spot in society, the one that teach you useful things to do and what you shouldn't do, like not using crack for easing the hunger at nights and preventing getting pregnant again.

I support no one.


And no one supports you.

*shrug*
Not necessarily a comfy position.

That makes four times now he's been asked this directly. I doubt we're going to get an answer. :rolleyes:
Maybe you shouldn't live down a "with me or against me" paramilitary rabbit hole.

I would go slink away and hide in the gray areas but they don't exist in your fantasy worlds.

Originally, this post by pantless was:

I support no one.

Originally, this post by pantless was:
The change more paralleled my position.

Maybe you shouldn't live down a "with me or against me" paramilitary rabbit hole.
Oh, like your black and white view of the US - where the US is always wrong, and always evil, and always guilty of everything you can accuse it of.

Maybe you shouldn't live down a "with me or against me" paramilitary rabbit hole.

I'm a libertarian, fuckstick. I've already posted that any police state is disgusting. No paramilitary rabbithole here. You seem content to dance around the one damn question I've put to you. Instead, you'd rather try to characterise me as a fascist. Typical. :rolleyes:

He would make the perfect politician.. always dancing around the questions, talking up a storm, making absolutely NO fucking sense, and never really answering a damn thing.

Dauberline
---
Kill the fuckers that wanna kill us, before they get a chance to kill us...
Thats how you defeat an enemy.. not by taking him to court.. kill him.

He would make the perfect politician.. always dancing around the questions, talking up a storm, making absolutely NO fucking sense, and never really answering a damn thing.

Dauberline
---
Kill the fuckers that wanna kill us, before they get a chance to kill us...
Thats how you defeat an enemy.. not by taking him to court.. kill him.
You people are really showing me up on the neofascist, paramilitary thing. :rolleyes:

I don't support a particular government, but I support plans.

And maybe the US wouldn't always be characterized as evil and wrong if it, you know, wasn't. Trying to screw people over as a government policy never leads anywhere good.

You people are really showing me up on the neofascist, palamilitary thing. :rolleyes:

I think you are about to become Teh_Friendless_Hero...

I think you are about to become Teh_Friendless_Hero...
Oh no, all the neofascists are going to desert me in order to form a guerilla squad and go kill all the Muslims because they are all terrorists :rolleyes:. Friends I never had that I don't need.

Oh no, all the neofascists are going to desert me in order to form a guerilla squad and go kill all the Muslims because they are all terrorists :rolleyes:. Friends I never had that I don't need.

That's the whole thing, innit?
You never had friends, and never will.
For you never rally at anyone's side.
Being content to stand on your own legs in the rain, independently.

You might get a spot as a lamp-post or firehydrant.

Oh no, all the neofascists are going to desert me in order to form a guerilla squad and go kill all the Muslims because they are all terrorists :rolleyes:. Friends I never had that I don't need.

Yup, all those arguing against you are neofascists. Like I said, typical. Can't counter an argument. Can't even answer a straightforward fucking question. :rolleyes:

You people are really showing me up on the neofascist, paramilitary thing. :rolleyes:

I don't support a particular government, but I support plans.

And maybe the US wouldn't always be characterized as evil and wrong if it, you know, wasn't. Trying to screw people over as a government policy never leads anywhere good.

Since this was so long a post for you, I'm quoting it in case you edit this one, too.

Wow - so the US is "always" evil. Evidence please (links).

Be sure to satisfy the requirement for "always".

And maybe the US wouldn't always be characterized as evil and wrong if it, you know, wasn't.

Yes, yes...the US is evil. We get your position. You're a typical anti-US internet troll.

That's the whole thing, innit?
You never had friends, and never will.
For you never rally at anyone's side.
Being content to stand on your own legs in the rain, independently.

You might get a spot as a lamp-post or firehydrant.
Because your side is the only on that matters, or exists..

Might want to clear up the definition of "military" vs. "paramilitary".

par·a·mil·i·tar·y (păr'ə-mĭl'ĭ-tĕr'ē) pronunciation
adj.

Of, relating to, or being a group of civilians organized in a military fashion, especially to operate in place of or assist regular army troops.
n., pl. -ies.

A member of a paramilitary force.
Well, that doesn't describe me. I am a contract lawyer and software project manager for a consulting firm that doesn't do any military work.

mil·i·tar·y (mĭl'ĭ-tĕr'ē) pronunciation
adj.

1. Of, relating to, or characteristic of members of the armed forces: a military bearing; military attire.
2. Performed or supported by the armed forces: military service.
3. Of or relating to war: military operations.
4. Of or relating to land forces.

n., pl. military also -ies.

1. Armed forces: a country ruled by the military.
2. Members, especially officers, of an armed force.

[Middle English, from Latin mīlitāris, from mīles, mīlit-, soldier.]
Well, I was in the military from 1987 to 1993, but I'm not in now. At all. So I'm not military, either.


So I guess we need to revisit your assertion about a "fantasy world". You evidently live in one.

Duh:

The Anarchists cookbook
Thompson's travel guide to good restaurants in Iraq
Every episode of "Burnt face man"
"Firestarter" by the Prodigy
A PDF file of "The ode less travelled" by Stephen Fry

Since this was so long a post for you, I'm quoting it in case you edit this one, too.
Maybe you should fucking type faster and you won't hit me mid-edit.

Wow - so the US is "always" evil. Evidence please (links).

Be sure to satisfy the requirement for "always".
Oh, I can technically prove "always," give me a case.
Maybe not always evil perse, but pretty much always trying to screw some one the hell over one way or another.

Because your side is the only on that matters..

No, dunce.

Having a side to be on is the thing that matters.
Any will do, as long as you don't have to walk alone.

In the real world, the Social Bunny does not teleport into your room...

*flicks his lighter*
You ne-ver walk a-lone!!!!

Might want to clear up the definition of "military" vs. "paramilitary".

So I guess we need to revisit your assertion about a "fantasy world". You evidently live in one.
Look up the word "fantasy" while you are at it.

Oh, I can technically prove "always," give me a case.
Maybe not always evil perse, but pretty much always trying to screw some one the hell over one way or another.

You said "always" in the previous post. Changing it now, or backing down now?

Even if it's "always trying to screw someone", you have to realize that "a case" is not "always". It would take forever to cover all cases, which is what is required to prove "always".

So, get started. We'll be waiting.

You said "always" in the previous post. Changing it now, or backing down now?
I could explain myself to you, but you are either too dim to get it or too pig-headed to care.

Maybe not always evil perse, but pretty much always trying to screw some one the hell over one way or another.

More generalisations with no facts to back them up. Good for you! You're proving yet again what a troll you are.

I could explain myself to you, but you are either too dim to get it or too pig-headed to care.
Good debating style there. Don't address any of the issues or arguments, just call people names when you're at a loss for words or thoughts or evidence.

Maybe you shouldn't live down a "with me or against me" paramilitary rabbit hole.
I would go slink away and hide in the gray areas but they don't exist in your fantasy worlds.
I could explain myself to you, but you are either too dim to get it or too pig-headed to care.


Does that strike anyone else as contradictory?

By the way, this started as a fun thread, you bastards just can't stand that can ya? Had to go and ruin it.

I could explain myself to you, but you are either too dim to get it or too pig-headed to care.

You could? Maybe. So far, though, you haven't, nor do I think you will. You've been given every opportunity here, yet you prefer to avoid any direct questions or provide any support for any of your assertions. Nice work. :rolleyes:

Good debating style there. Don't address any of the issues or arguments, just call people names when you're at a loss for words or thoughts or evidence.
What are the issues or arguments at hand then?

Does that strike anyone else as contradictory?

By the way, this started as a fun thread, you bastards just can't stand that can ya? Had to go and ruin it.

Actually, it is contradictory. And funny.

Does that strike anyone else as contradictory?

By the way, this started as a fun thread, you bastards just can't stand that can ya? Had to go and ruin it.
I would love to waste my time explaining how I prefer generalizations over exact statements and have developed a habit of doing it, but that is a waste of time like I said.

What are the issues or arguments at hand then?

To Teh_Pantless_Hero:

Do you support Chavez?

Clear enough yet?

What are the issues or arguments at hand then?
We were waiting for you to prove that the US "always" is evil (or alternatively, as you said, "always" trying to screw someone over).

So, we're starting with "always", as quoted from you.

Get started.

We were waiting for you to prove that the US "always" is evil (or alternatively, as you said, "always" trying to screw someone over).

So, we're starting with "always", as quoted from you.

Get started.

Well, yeah, that, too. :p

I would love to waste my time explaining how I prefer generalizations over exact statements and have developed a habit of doing it, but that is a waste of time like I said.
Ah, a bullshit artist. You wouldn't happen to be a schizophrenic, or a philosophy professor, would you?

To Teh_Pantless_Hero:

Do you support Chavez?

Clear enough yet?
I support the idea of the programs, I don't support any singular government head. How fucking stupid of an idea is that, supporting a singular person?

Teh_Pantless_Hero=John Kerry. Discuss.

I support the idea of the programs, I don't support any singular government head. How fucking stupid of an idea is that, supporting a singular person?
What do you think of the fake literacy program, where kids were given red Che t-shirts, and not really taught how to read?

Ah, a bullshit artist. You wouldn't happen to be a schizophrenic, or a philosophy professor, would you?
I prefer using generalizations to using exact statements in the form of generalizations, like "liberals are all stupid," because that makes you a dick.

Teh_Pantless_Hero=John Kerry. Discuss.
No, Teh_Pantless_Hero = Rosie O'Donnell

Teh_Pantless_Hero=John Kerry. Discuss.


Bulldust.
Kerry wins debates.

Teh_Pantless_Hero=John Kerry. Discuss.
And I no longer care about your ignorant opinion.

I support the idea of the programs, I don't support any singular government head. How fucking stupid of an idea is that, supporting a singular person?

Finally! A fucking answer. So you like his programs to fake 100% literacy and spend money on fighter jets his country doesn't need ("Ohnoes! Watch out for that air raid from Bolivia!" :rolleyes: )? You like fake elections? That's bloody brilliant.

Bulldust.
Kerry wins debates.


A good point. Hrm.

And I no longer care about your ignorant opinion.

From what I can see the only opinion you care about is yours. So frankly what you think of me isn't really relevant.

Ah, a bullshit artist. You wouldn't happen to be a schizophrenic, or a philosophy professor, would you?

hey hey hey, keep the philosophy professors out of this, lol

What do you think of the fake literacy program, where kids were given red Che t-shirts, and not really taught how to read?
Back up the bold or I assume you are living in a fantasy world again.

I will discuss things like that with people who have experience with them, not with American jingoists who only piss me off with their black and white fantasy worlds and solidify my opinion just to spite them where it wouldn't usually be solidified.

And I no longer care about your ignorant opinion.
That's what she said to Tom Selleck on her talk show. I knew it was Rosie O'Donnell.

Back up the bold or I assume you are living in a fantasy world again.

I will discuss things like that with people who have experience with them, not with American jingoists who only piss me off with their black and white fantasy worlds and solidify my opinion just to spite them where it wouldn't usually be solidified.

You fail at reading the thread, or you just choose to ignore posts with which you disagree (and the latter wouldn't surprise me a bit).

Back up the bold or I assume you are living in a fantasy world again.

I will discuss things like that with people who have experience with them, not with American jingoists who only piss me off with their black and white fantasy worlds and solidify my opinion just to spite them where it wouldn't usually be solidified.
I guess you weren't reading the thread - Aelosia posted in THIS thread that she lives in Venezuela, is involved in teaching, and saw the red Che t-shirt fake literacy program first hand.

That's what she said to Tom Selleck on her talk show. I knew it was Rosie O'Donnell.
Oh look, an irrelevant ad hominem.

I would love to tell you off, but that is "flaming" and instead I have to skirt around using "Abuse of the English Language 101" to imply you are a fucking asshole instead of just calling you one.

You have no debate skills yet you sit there and call me for "bad debating" or whatever the fuck you said. Not like hypocrisy is anything new for you. You use it all the time when replying to the thing you read but that were not actually typed by people.

Probably kiddie porn. Sicko.

Was it that, or Mullahs Gone Wild 16?

"When beards go bad..." *eeeewwwwww!*

I guess you weren't reading the thread - Aelosia posted in THIS thread that she lives in Venezuela, is involved in teaching, and saw the red Che t-shirt fake literacy program first hand.

I stil lean towards the idea that he simply ignores posts that directly counter his "position."

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11165741&postcount=83

The failed literacy program in Venezuela.

Oh, Pantless, this contradicts your world view, and it's from someone who actually lives in Venezuela.

I guess you weren't reading the thread - Aelosia posted in THIS thread that she lives in Venezuela, is involved in teaching, and saw the red Che t-shirt fake literacy program first hand.
I know I said back up the bolded part. I don't dispute she saw the literacy program was full of shit. I dispute that you even give a fuck one way or another and that you are just using it to be a dick. And I dispute your mentioning Che Guevera t-shirts except from the little bullhorn you use to shout words from your fascist fantasy world.

Which goes back to my original post - I never said Venezuela had 100% literacy but I know for damn sure the US has nothing close to even 100% propaganda literacy.

I kknow I said back up the bolded part. I don't dispute she saw the literacy program was full of shit. I dispute that you even give a fuck one way or another and that you are just using it to be a dick.

Which goes back to my original post - I never said Venezuela had 100% literacy but I know for damn sure the US has nothing close to even 100% propaganda literacy.

Now you're just being stupid. How can DK prove one way or another his personal feelings on a bogus government program?

Which goes back to my original post - I never said Venezuela had 100% literacy but I know for damn sure the US has nothing close to even 100% propaganda literacy.

Seems where you live they do, though -- at least, for anti-US propaganda.

Now you're just being stupid. How can DK prove one way or another his personal feelings on a bogus government program?
He doesn't care about the program, he doesn't even care about Chavez, his opinion is already formed. He is just using the fake literacy program thing to be a dick.

Was it that, or Mullahs Gone Wild 16?

"When beards go bad..." *eeeewwwwww!*
Maybe some hard core Fundamentalist Islamic porn, like pictures of women wearing burkas, but not just with their eyes uncovered, also most of their nose!!

Seems where you live they do, though -- at least, for anti-US propaganda.
You're full of alot of shit for a libertarian, oh wait, nevermind - that's par for the course.

He doesn't care about the program, he doesn't even care about Chavez, his opinion is already formed. He is just using the fake literacy program thing to be a dick.
Prove it.

He doesn't care about the program, he doesn't even care about Chavez, his opinion is already formed. He is just using the fake literacy program thing to be a dick.

Prove that I don't care.

I'll wait.

You're full of alot of shit for a libertarian, oh wait, nevermind - that's par for the course.

More senseless invective. I suppose I shouldn't expect any better, though.

Maybe Pantless is mad because the literacy program is complete bullshit, and makes Chavez look like a liar, and Pantless just loves the literacy program that he imagined it was. Ah, shattered dreams.

Maybe Pantless is mad because the literacy program is complete bullshit, and makes Chavez look like a liar, and Pantless just loves the literacy program that he imagined it was. Ah, shattered dreams.
Hey, what's that on the horizon, oh yeah, it's a closet fascist telling me what I thought again.

Hey, what's that on the horizon, oh yeah, it's a closet fascist telling me what I thought again.

There's that "fascist" word again. :rolleyes:

Hey, what's that on the horizon, oh yeah, it's a closet fascist telling me what I thought again.
Well now that you know that Chavez' literacy program is bullshit, are you going to blame that on the US?

There's that "fascist" word again. :rolleyes:
I could always refer to him as a militant asshat if you like.

Well now that you know that Chavez' literacy program is bullshit, are you going to blame that on the US?
We must be going in circles because there it is again.

Hey, what's that on the horizon, oh yeah, it's a closet fascist telling me what I thought again.

He said "Maybe" as an interjection, usually signifying that the following is conjecture. You on the other hand proclaim to know precisely what he's thinking. Which if you did would make an argument a trivial matter to win, but you're losing so badly I think it is in fact possible you don't know anything about what he may or may not think of arbitrary concepts.

I could always refer to him as a militant asshat if you like.


We must be going in circles because there it is again.

Yup, more namecalling. Still no facts to support your position. And I'm not gonna hold my breath for any.

He said "Maybe" as an interjection, usually signifying that the following is conjecture. You on the other hand proclaim to know precisely what he's thinking. Which if you did would make an argument a trivial matter to win, but you're losing so badly I think it is in fact possible you don't know anything about what he may or may not think of arbitrary concepts.
Don't tell Pantless that he's losing - I want him to feel he is doing well.

He said "Maybe" as an interjection, usually signifying that the following is conjecture.
The effect of the maybe didn't extend to the latter part of the sentence. Those were not conjecture.

You on the other hand proclaim to know precisely what he's thinking.
From previous experience with him on this and other topics.

Which if you did would make an argument a trivial matter to win, but you're losing so badly I think it is in fact possible you don't know anything about what he may or may not think of arbitrary concepts.
You can't argue with pig-headed people and win. Bush go reelected didn't he.

The effect of the maybe didn't extend to the latter part of the sentence. Those were not conjecture.


From previous experience with him on this and other topics.


You can't argue with ignorant pig-headed people and win. Bush go reelected didn't he.


It must be exhausting to be able to read so many minds. Perhaps that's why you're acting like such a tool. You must be tired.

You can't argue with ignorant pig-headed people and win. Bush go reelected didn't he.

Yay! Drag Bush into this! :rolleyes:

It must be exhausting to be able to read so many minds. Perhaps that's why you're acting like such a tool. You must be tired.
More hypocrisy from the otherside of the argument which started because I didn't state in my first post "CHAVEZ EVIL, LYNCH CHAVEZ!"

Because Kimchi is probably typing something stupid and uppity right now and he would get his panties in a knot if I edited..

I have never made a statement of support for Chavez, to my memory, and definately none in this thread. My first post was not a statement of support for Chavez, nor was it a statement of condemnation, and since everyone lives in a black & white world of "with me or against me," Deep Kimchi and some other closet fascists and crazies jumped on my ass for not supporting their asinine views out and out.
This is an entirely baseless argument derived from the reactionary whims of a bunch of nationalist or jingoist crackpots.

I just hope you do not include me in the "bunch of crackpots" part.

You can try to argue your views with me, for example. I believe I can be a "moderate" debater

I just hope you do not include me in the "bunch of crackpots" part.

You can try to argue your views with me, for example. I believe I can be a "moderate" debater
I don't think I included you. This is why I use generalizations. People can include and disclude themselves at will. Except for Kimchi.
And because I forget.

Because Kimchi is probably typing something stupid and uppity right now and he would get his panties in a knot if I edited..

I have never made a statement of support for Chavez, to my memory, and definately none in this thread. My first post was not a statement of support for Chavez, nor was it a statement of condemnation, and since everyone lives in a black & white world of "with me or against me," Deep Kimchi and some other closet fascists and crazies jumped on my ass for not supporting their asinine views out and out.
This is an entirely baseless argument derived from the reactionary whims of a bunch of nationalist or jingoist crackpots.

Brilliant argument. :rolleyes:

Do you do anything but label?

Brilliant argument. :rolleyes:

Do you do anything but label?
That depends whether or not you can read english.

Back on the real topic of this thread:
- Plans for a bomb capable of exploding the particles of sunlight
- A picture of a kitten wearing an army helmet, bearing the caption "Rally the Troops!"
- A few episodes of The Strangerhood
- Paper for Political Science 344-2: U.S. Foreign Policy

Back on the real topic of this thread:
- Plans for a bomb capable of exploding the particles of sunlight
- A picture of a kitten wearing an army helmet, bearing the caption "Rally the Troops!"
- A few episodes of The Strangerhood
- Paper for Political Science 344-2: U.S. Foreign Policy
The "Best Episodes" of "Seinfeld"

That depends whether or not you can read english.

I read English (and Spanish) perfectly well, but you've yet to put forth any real argument other than "the US is evil" and that anyone who disagrees with you must be a fascist. You nothing more than a troll with no supporting arguments for any of the shite you post. Your best argument? "You're a fascist!" How very trite...

I read English (and Spanish) perfectly well, but you've yet to put forth any real argument other than "the US is evil" and that anyone who disagrees with you must be a fascist. You nothing more than a troll with no supporting arguments for any of the shite you post. Your best argument? "You're a fascist!" How very trite...
I assume everyone on these forums is familiar with other things I link to in my fantasy world.
Kimchi made a whole topic about sterilizing all Muslims secretly with some sort of designer virus.
And that is just one of many things..

I've always thought that the correct adjective ought to be "pantsless," but maybe that's just because I like the way it sounds better.

I've always thought that the correct adjective ought to be "pantsless," but maybe that's just because I like the way it sounds better.
You know? It should be because they are pants, but pantless has a more blunt sound where the 't' hits the 'l' because of a lack of the 's' that I like.

I assume everyone on these forums is familiar with other things I link to in my fantasy world.
Kimchi made a whole topic about sterilizing all Muslims secretly with some sort of designer virus.
And that is just one of many things..

Yet you've chucked the "fascist" label at me, too, although I've never advocated (and will never) anything like that. Go away. Come back with some facts to bolster your arguments, if you can...

Yet you've chucked the "fascist" label at me, too, although I've never advocated (and will never) anything like that. Go away. Come back with some facts to bolster your arguments, if you can...
If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, it's sure good for Christmas dinner.

If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, it's sure good for Christmas dinner.

And if it walks like an ignorant jackass and talks like an ignorant jackass...

Well, shit! It's Teh_pantless_hero!

:rolleyes:

And if it walks like an ignorant jackass and talks like an ignorant jackass...

Well, shit! It's Teh_pantless_hero!

:rolleyes:
Oh no, it's the hypocrite brigade!

*Counter-Strike with custom skin of himself.
*Super-interactive Koran with complete speech replication storytelling abilities.
*Kiddie porn.
*Entire archive of www.hot72virgins.com
*Bank records
*MP3 collection of various Islamic chants
*iTunes
*Osama's Greatest Hits

You know? It should be because they are pants, but pantless has a more blunt sound where the 't' hits the 'l' because of a lack of the 's' that I like.

I guess I can see that.