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Executions for the prisoners on the go!
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-06-14-death-van_x.htm?csp=34

While I personally don't see much difference between being shot by a firing squad and being lethally injected with chemicals (you're dead in either case), somehow this is being spun as being more civilized.

Ok, I'll buy that it's less messy, but I've always felt that lethal injection was actually intended to make killing easier on the executioner. If you're going to kill people as judicial punishment, it shouldn't be easy, or hidden in a van (or closed room). It should be out in the open, and it should be messy - just to remind everyone that what we're doing is execution, and not some minor administrative procedure.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-06-14-death-van_x.htm?csp=34

Didn't the Nazis do that, before turning to Zyklon B?


Nice to know where the ChiComs are taking their lessons from.

Considering that there's 70 crimes for which you can be sentenced to death for in China and that there something like a 99% prosecution rate, having new, faster and more exciting ways of killing doesn't really make me any more keen on China than I already am.

When I first saw this thread, I thought it was going to be about Chinese Death mobiles, such as these:
http://www.mad.co.il/fun/pictures/2006/02/china_on_the%20road/9uadcx.jpg
http://www.mad.co.il/fun/pictures/2006/02/china_on_the%20road/9uadrb.jpg
http://www.mad.co.il/fun/pictures/2006/02/china_on_the%20road/9uajwx.jpg
http://www.mad.co.il/fun/pictures/2006/02/china_on_the%20road/9uag5g.jpg
http://www.mad.co.il/fun/pictures/2006/02/china_on_the%20road/9uyc9k.jpg

SNIP.

It should be out in the open, and it should be messy - just to remind everyone that what we're doing is execution, and not some minor administrative procedure.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-06-14-death-van_x.htm?csp=34

You keep forgetting that to the ChiComs, execution IS a minor adminsitrative procedure...

When I first saw this thread, I thought it was going to be about Chinese Death mobiles, such as these:
http://www.mad.co.il/fun/pictures/2006/02/china_on_the%20road/9uadcx.jpg

My word. :eek:

It shouldn't be called the Deathmobile unless it blares "Ride of the Valkyries" and disrupts parades.

It shouldn't be called the Deathmobile unless it blares "Ride of the Valkyries" and disrupts parades.
I'm sure that if it picks up live passengers and throws dead bodies out on the pavement, it's going to disrupt a parade without making any noise at all.

I'm sure that if it picks up live passengers and throws dead bodies out on the pavement, it's going to disrupt a parade without making any noise at all.

That's not good enough. If they like they can call it Massacre Transit.

It says they use potassium chloride in lethal injections. Isn't potassium chloride Lo-Salt? The healthly, but radioactive, alternative to normal salt (sodium chloride)... kay...

It says they use potassium chloride in lethal injections. Isn't potassium chloride Lo-Salt? The healthly, but radioactive, alternative to normal salt (sodium chloride)... kay...

Dumping a large amount of potassium intracardiac causes cardiac arrest.

Not exactly my idea of a quick way to die (you get to enjoy the heart attack, which is undoubtably painful).

Dumping a large amount of potassium intracardiac causes cardiac arrest.

Not exactly my idea of a quick way to die (you get to enjoy the heart attack, which is undoubtably painful).And here was me thinking they used stuff like barbiturates.

In the US, they usually use barbituates to put you to sleep first so you don't feel the heart attack that the potassium gives you.

Sort of a "kinder, gentler" thing.

Well they needed to lower their numbers anyway, right?

In the US, they usually use barbituates to put you to sleep first so you don't feel the heart attack that the potassium gives you.

Sort of a "kinder, gentler" thing.
From the article you linked to
There is no such debate in China, which uses the same three-drug cocktail as the U.S. federal government and most U.S. states: sodium thiopental to make the condemned unconscious, pancuronium bromide to stop breathing, potassium chloride to stop the heart.Hmm.. Sodium thiopental is a barbiturate. Didn't know that.

From the article you linked to
Hmm.. Sodium thiopental is a barbiturate. Didn't know that.
I still feel that if you're going to be in the business of killing people, that lethal injection is actually making it psychologically easier on the executioner. I don't believe that's a good step.

If people don't have the will to kill people the hard way, then they shouldn't be killing at all.

I still feel that if you're going to be in the business of killing people, that lethal injection is actually making it psychologically easier on the executioner. I don't believe that's a good step.

If people don't have the will to kill people the hard way, then they shouldn't be killing at all.

Please don't tell me you favour Zyklon B... :( :eek: :(

Please don't tell me you favour Zyklon B... :( :eek: :(
No.

I think that if you can't stomach public executions by the more traditional methods (shooting, hanging, beheading, electrocution) then you should not have capital punishment.

No.

I think that if you can't stomach public executions by the more traditional methods (shooting, hanging, beheading, electrocution) then you should not have capital punishment.

*smiles*
So will you forgive me for being rather opposed to Capital Punishment in the first place?

*smiles*
So will you forgive me for being rather opposed to Capital Punishment in the first place?
It's not for everyone. And I think that by making it "easy" on the executioner, you foist it off on people who might otherwise object.

If you had to kill your own food, would you still eat meat?

It's not for everyone. And I think that by making it "easy" on the executioner, you foist it off on people who might otherwise object.

If you had to kill your own food, would you still eat meat?

Yup. I've got no problem with the killing of chickens.

The good thing with this system is that if you run out of injections you can just run over them with the bus.

Yup. I've got no problem with the killing of chickens.
Good for you then. And if you can't kill a convicted prisoner with a gun or a rope, you shouldn't be doing capital punishment (I think if you can't watch it you shouldn't be doing it).

Good for you then. And if you can't kill a convicted prisoner with a gun or a rope, you shouldn't be doing capital punishment (I think if you can't watch it you shouldn't be doing it).

*nods*
Between us liberal Evangelicals, I don't like breaking the 6th Commandment very much, if you know what I mean.

The guy executed in the article reminds me of a Dick Tracy character:

CHONGQING, China — Zhang Shiqiang, known as the Nine-Fingered Devil, first tasted justice at 13. His father caught him stealing and cut off one of Zhang's fingers.

Oh no, its the nine-fingered devil! Run for your lives!

"This makes it convenient for the criminal and the guards."

You can't make this stuff up. It's more convienient for the criminal. Doesn't that just give you a warm fuzzy feeling?

You can't make this stuff up. It's more convienient for the criminal. Doesn't that just give you a warm fuzzy feeling?
Yes, instead of being captured, taken to prison, tried in a courtroom, and executed in a deathhouse, they can just drive to your house and do everything right there in the van.

OK, this is from the article--


Execution chamber: in the back, with blacked-out windows; seats beside the stretcher for a court doctor and guards; sterilizer for injection equipment; wash basin...

ummmm.......why?

OK, this is from the article--



ummmm.......why?

*shrug* but I believe the US does that too.

OK, this is from the article--



ummmm.......why?

Good question. You would think they could use the same dirty syringe until the needle broke off.

yeah, I never ever understood that. or the fact, that in the US, you cannot execute a sick man (or woman).

"I am sorry warden, I have the sniffles"
"well, that's OK, we will give you the best medical care that the taxpayers can afford"
"great, then I won't be executed?"
"nope, we'll make ya well, then we'll kill ya"
"oh"

sorry, don't agree with the death penalty, and hence, some of the backward "rules"

i think it's probably to protect the execusioners in case of accidents.

You keep forgetting that to the ChiComs, execution IS a minor adminsitrative procedure...

Pretty much like texas in fact.

Local executions

Makers of death vans say they save money for poor localities that would otherwise have to pay to construct execution facilities in prisons or court buildings. The vans ensure that prisoners sentenced to death can be executed locally, closer to communities where they broke the law.

That "deters others from committing crime and has more impact" than executions carried out elsewhere, Kang says.


Good grief.....some people get nervous when they see a police car patroling an area. I can't imagine the mood of the public when they see "The Death Van" rolling by. :eek:

Edit: Death Van not Car.

I'll be honest, when I first read the thread title I thought the Chinese had remade Animal House.

When I first saw this thread, I thought it was going to be about Chinese Death mobiles, such as these:http://www.mad.co.il/fun/pictures/2006/02/china_on_the%20road/9uag5g.jpg


I like that one. Folding chairs for the win.

http://www.mad.co.il/fun/pictures/20...oad/9uag5g.jpg


God dammit! I told them to quit taking pictures of my ride! :p

I'll be honest, when I first read the thread title I thought the Chinese had remade Animal House.

my sentiments exactly.

I was kinda looking forward to seeing an asian version of D-day yelling "Ramming Speed!!!!!"

but i suppose my sense of humor is lost upon most of the people here.