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HO CHI MINH CITY, June 15 (Reuters) - A court in Vietnam on Thursday turned down an appeal by former British rock star Gary Glitter against child molestation charges and ordered him to serve a three-year jail sentence and deportation.

Glitter, a stage name, was charged and convicted in Vietnam under his real name Paul Francis Gadd on March 3 in a one-day closed trial. He was found guilty of kissing, fondling and having sex with two 11-year-old girls in Vung Tau.

HO CHI MINH CITY, June 15 (Reuters) - A court in Vietnam on Thursday turned down an appeal by former British rock star Gary Glitter against child molestation charges and ordered him to serve a three-year jail sentence and deportation.

Glitter, a stage name, was charged and convicted in Vietnam under his real name Paul Francis Gadd on March 3 in a one-day closed trial. He was found guilty of kissing, fondling and having sex with two 11-year-old girls in Vung Tau.


Too bad he got deported, three years in a Vietnamese prison would serve him right.

HO CHI MINH CITY, June 15 (Reuters) - A court in Vietnam on Thursday turned down an appeal by former British rock star Gary Glitter against child molestation charges and ordered him to serve a three-year jail sentence and deportation.

Glitter, a stage name, was charged and convicted in Vietnam under his real name Paul Francis Gadd on March 3 in a one-day closed trial. He was found guilty of kissing, fondling and having sex with two 11-year-old girls in Vung Tau.


Thats good news but still, a three year sentance is shit.

sorry I was a bit slow getting the poll done.

Thats good news but still, a three year sentance is shit.


What's the survival-rate for 3 years in the Hanoi Hilton?

Only 3 years? If he had some pot or crack with him at the same time, then the sentence would have a lot worse. Says a lot of about how much legal systems value children.

What's the survival-rate for 3 years in the Hanoi Hilton?

. . . for a foreigner who's a convicted pedophile?

What's the survival-rate for 3 years in the Hanoi Hilton?


I don't know, and I don't really care. It's still not long enough.

. . . for a foreigner who's a convicted pedophile?

*nods*

I think you're getting the idea...


It's a bit like those sentences in the Gulag, where the guards joked that 3 years of hard labour in Kolima was harsher than a bullet in the neck...

3 years wont get him into the Hanoi Hilton.

What's the survival-rate for 3 years in the Hanoi Hilton?
Considering Hanoi Hilton is now a museum, pretty good I'd say.

How many people think 3 years in a Vietnamese jail for a 62yr old foreigner who's idea of fun is to molest little girls is actually a death sentence.

How many people think 3 years in a Vietnamese jail for a 62yr old foreigner who's idea of fun is to molest little girls is actually a death sentence.


Considering he used his money to buy the small sentance, I think he'll have a whale of a time.

Only 3 years? If he had some pot or crack with him at the same time, then the sentence would have a lot worse. Says a lot of about how much legal systems value children.
It was only that low cause he had bought the victims families off. Under Vietnam law, you allowed to make amends by 'gifting' money to your accusers, without admiting guilt (of course:rolleyes:), and this is taken into account when sentencing.
Also, he wasn't found guilty of having sex with them, just immoral relationship and fondling (I think it was). Had he been found guilty of sex, he would have got a much harsher (and imo, well deserved) sentence - sex with children has a max penalty of death by firing squad there.

As for his prison, he's meant to be in a prison that's out in the middle of nowhere. His lawyers requested it, to protect him from snooping paparazi. The prison is a fairly typical Vietnamese gaol. Lots of outside work/labouring. If Gadd thinks he'll be better off bribing them and staying inside, not working, he's in for a shock. The guards there were quoted as saying it's better off outside - inside, there's much more chance of catching nasty diseases (TB, Malaria, HIV, etc).

When he's deported back to the UK, it's highly likely (and I hope so) that he'll face the same charges there. The UK has laws that allow the police to prosecute ppl found guilty of pedo crimes overseas.

So 3 years in a grubby Vietnamese prison followed by (hopefully) several more in a Brit gaol. I can't see him lasting. Which is a good thing imo, as he's never had the decency to even admit he's got a problem.

I've not voted because it depends on the prison. In a prison where either 9a), you just get locked up but are still able to eat every day and aren't treated really badly, 3 years is sickeningly low, or (b), as a but also you get sky TV and crap like that, not only is 3 years too low, but too good - because the prisoners get more stupid benefits than much of the rest of the UK population. In a prison where you get beaten up every day, even by the guards, and the place is a complete sh*thole, I think 3 years may be enough (depending on how many crimes there is evidence of being committed). In a place where it's a complete sh*thole but you don't get beaten up, subject to previous evidence statement, 3 years is too low by about 2-4 years.

HO CHI MINH CITY, June 15 (Reuters) - A court in Vietnam on Thursday turned down an appeal by former British rock star Gary Glitter against child molestation charges and ordered him to serve a three-year jail sentence and deportation.

Glitter, a stage name, was charged and convicted in Vietnam under his real name Paul Francis Gadd on March 3 in a one-day closed trial. He was found guilty of kissing, fondling and having sex with two 11-year-old girls in Vung Tau.

What I want to know is why you started this thread when you chose the "who cares what happens to an old has-been" option :p

What I want to know is why you started this thread when you chose the "who cares what happens to an old has-been" option :p


heheh so that whosoever choses that option can get flammed real bad!

What I want to know is why you started this thread when you chose the "who cares what happens to an old has-been" option :p

Re: all the people who voted "who cares...": I can understand you not giving a toss about the old has-been, but if nobody gave a toss it would potentially mean he was free to abuse more kids. People need to give a toss. Lots of people.

Re: all the people who voted "who cares...": I can understand you not giving a toss about the old has-been, but if nobody gave a toss it would potentially mean he was free to abuse more kids. People need to give a toss. Lots of people.

It doesn't mean we don't give a toss about his actions, just that we don't care about him.

What I want to know is why you started this thread when you chose the "who cares what happens to an old has-been" option :p

I wanted to know what other people thought. There are several angles to this case fame (fading but . . ., corruption (or Veitnamese tradition of giving presents to victims in return for lower sentence), pedophilia (what is appropriate punishment/treatment), sex-tourism. Should the UK disown him and refuse to have him back?

It doesn't mean we don't give a toss about his actions, just that we don't care about him.

Exactly. I don't need to know anything about him personally to disaprove of what he's done.

I wanted to know what other people thought. There are several angles to this case fame (fading but . . ., corruption (or Veitnamese tradition of giving presents to victims in return for lower sentence), pedophilia (what is appropriate punishment/treatment), sex-tourism. Should the UK disown him and refuse to have him back?

Does the UK standardly disown and deport paedophiles?

Does the UK standardly disown and deport paedophiles?

Not even foreign ones....

*evil dig at John Reid, Home Secretary*

Anyway, you cant disown your own nationals who are abroad on the passport you issued.

Not even foreign ones....

*evil dig at John Reid, Home Secretary*

Anyway, you cant disown your own nationals who are abroad on the passport you issued.

I didn't think so :)

What's all this John Reid business though? :confused:

I didn't think so :)

What's all this John Reid business though? :confused:


Once upon a time we had a Home Secretary who specialised in letting foreign criminals who were scheduled for deportation escape from jail.

After the Local Elections, he was replaced by mr John Reid, supposedly the toughest crimebusting and incorruptible member of the Labour Party.

Within 2 weeks of his appointment, mr John Reid decided to withhold the information that he had also allowed various highly deportable persons such as foreign paedophiles, rapists, killers, robbers, and the like, to simply WALK OUT OF JAIL before their sentences were up.

Without informing the local police-chiefs, Parliament, or the press...

Not only did he do the same things as his predecessor - he also got focussed on just keeping it out of the news.

Once upon a time we had a Home Secretary who specialised in letting foreign criminals who were scheduled for deportation escape from jail.

After the Local Elections, he was replaced by mr John Reid, supposedly the toughest crimebusting and incorruptible member of the Labour Party.

Within 2 weeks of his appointment, mr John Reid decided to withhold the information that he had also allowed various highly deportable persons such as foreign paedophiles, rapists, killers, robbers, and the like, to simply WALK OUT OF JAIL before their sentences were up.

Without informing the local police-chiefs, Parliament, or the press...

Not only did he do the same things as his predecessor - he also got focussed on just keeping it out of the news.

Ah, what a nice story :p

I guess this Reid man learnt from his predecessors mistakes. :rolleyes:

Thanks for the info :)

Can we just execute Glitter and be done with it already?

Ah, what a nice story :p

I guess this Reid man learnt from his predecessors mistakes. :rolleyes:

Thanks for the info :)


The Tories screw the Working Classes.
The Labbies screw your kids.

And the worst thing a LibDem ever did was having consentual sex with another feller... OK. 2 on one night.

what is your preffered method of execution? Do you mean the American Way of locking him up for 15 years before eventually cooking him?

what is your preffered method of execution? Do you mean the American Way of locking him up for 15 years before eventually cooking him?


Converting him to Islam, and shipping him off to Iraq - and then on to Gitmo.

genital mutilation - starvation + deprivation - and finally lethal asphyxation.

Converting him to Islam, and shipping him off to Iraq - and then on to Gitmo.

genital mutilation - starvation + deprivation - and finally lethal asphyxation.
No, no, no.

First we put news stories about his child-porn exploits in the Arab press. Then tell them we're going to airdrop him on a specific date.

Then we airdrop him into Pakistan, and make sure that his parachute has a big reproduction of the Danish Mohammed cartoon on it.

No, no, no.

First we put news stories about his child-porn exploits in the Arab press. Then tell them we're going to airdrop him on a specific date.

Then we airdrop him into Pakistan, and make sure that his parachute has a big reproduction of the Danish Mohammed cartoon on it.


We British are not as keen on outsourcing as Americans. :p

How about Charlie Kennedy's conviction for being drunk in charge of a political party?

How about Charlie Kennedy's conviction for being drunk in charge of a political party?


Does that mean you clear my ex-leader of charges of being a swinging gay?

*smells a good plea-bargain*

Does that mean you clear my ex-leader of charges of being a swinging gay?

*smells a good plea-bargain*

I didn't know that he was - hang on a sec didn't he have a baby at the last election?

I didn't know that he was - hang on a sec didn't he have a baby at the last election?

The Tories screw the Working Classes.
The Labbies screw your kids.

And the worst thing a LibDem ever did was having consentual sex with another feller... OK. 2 on one night.

The Tories screw the Working Classes.
The Labbies screw your kids.

And the worst thing a LibDem ever did was having consentual sex with another feller... OK. 2 on one night.

Deja vu :p

The Tories screw the Working Classes.
The Labbies screw your kids.

And the worst thing a LibDem ever did was having consentual sex with another feller... OK. 2 on one night.

I didn't know the 5th amendment applied in Yorkshire

I didn't know the 5th amendment applied in Yorkshire

I had to try summat...

I think you should tell us the full truth about your affair with Charlie K and how it effected the trial and sentencing of Gary Glitter. Come on it's confession time.

I think you should tell us the full truth about your affair with Charlie K and how it effected the trial and sentencing of Gary Glitter. Come on it's confession time.

Nope.
It's about John Reid.

A pretty face like Charlie I could understand but John "your name's not down so your not coming in" Reid?

I think Big John would like gary and his freinds sent down for a long, long time

A pretty face like Charlie I could understand but John "your name's not down so your not coming in" Reid?

I think Big John would like gary and his freinds sent down for a long, long time

Think so?

John Reid is setting himself up as the reigning champion of letting sex-offenders evade the arm of the law, innit?

A pretty face like Charlie I could understand but John "your name's not down so your not coming in" Reid?

I think Big John would like gary and his freinds sent down for a long, long time


Oh dear. I may have misread your first question.

Anyway, I'm a reasonably devout Christian who preferred supporting a homo over a childmolestation-enabler. End of story.

My apologies I mis-read the direction you were taking the conversation

My apologies I mis-read the direction you were taking the conversation

No worries. Friendly fire is just a fact of life.

especially when your freind is called George!

Sadly, this had to happen during the Stanley Cup finals. Where are the hockey fans, ready and willing to come to Gary's aid and defense?

especially when your freind is called George!

:D

I take it you know the old saw about whom to pick as your buddy for a bit of lionhunting?

:D

I take it you know the old saw about whom to pick as your buddy for a bit of lionhunting?

no i don't actually. how does it go?

:D

I take it you know the old saw about whom to pick as your buddy for a bit of lionhunting?

Ah, pick someone you can outrun. You don't have to be faster than the lion, just faster than your buddy?

no i don't actually. how does it go?

There's two things you have to be aware about.

The first is that you have these girlymen who would never shoot at a lion for they don't like guns.
So you don't pick a ChKerry. ( Bless you! )

The second is that you have these chaps that like guns alright, but don't aim at the lions. They might easily end up shooting at you.
So you stay away from the Bush.

If you carefully consider these 2 things, you'll be alright.

Ah, pick someone you can outrun. You don't have to be faster than the lion, just faster than your buddy?

:D That must be the highly practical American version!

Both very good advice that I will make a note of it I ever find myself being invited to go lio-hunting.

I read an auto-biography of a guy who went to Afria to shoot a lion as a cure for a broken heart

There's two things you have to be aware about.

The first is that you have these girlymen who would never shoot at a lion for they don't like guns.
So you don't pick a ChKerry. ( Bless you! )

The second is that you have these chaps that like guns alright, but don't aim at the lions. They might easily end up shooting at you.
So you stay away from the Bush.

If you carefully consider these 2 things, you'll be alright.


I thought the guy who might end up shooting at you was:
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/jtkwon/deadeye1.jpg

quails with fright at potential for puns and hides in bush

I thought the guy who might end up shooting at you was:
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/jtkwon/deadeye1.jpg

Ah, yes, he would be a type-III.
'If it moves, KILL IT!!!'

Anyone here ever played the Imperialism game?
It had these 3 settings for the aggressivity of your Fleet:
A] Flee when challenged.
B] Only hunt the sick and the lame.
C] If it floats and doesn't say 'quack' - sink it!

quails with fright at potential for puns and hides in bush


*becomes highly worried when ex-Veep Quail approaches the Forum on a wooden horsie*

Ah, yes, he would be a type-III.
'If it moves, KILL IT!!!'

Anyone here ever played the Imperialism game?
It had these 3 settings for the aggressivity of your Fleet:
A] Flee when challenged.
B] Only hunt the sick and the lame.
C] If it floats and doesn't say 'quack' - sink it!

If iwas in my bath I'd have drowned laughing- that's brilliant!

If iwas in my bath I'd have drowned laughing- that's brilliant!


*grins*
Indeed.

btw: I used that setting a LOT, for any of the other two led to my ( notional ) admirals and the Opposing side playing a naval ring-around-the-rosy for turn after turn, never exchanging a shot.

( The reasons were easy to understand ):
1. scoutship sights enemy scout, and hollers for support.
2. Heavies come up - ( on both sides ) to flatten that scoutship
3. Heavies spot eachother.
4. Both sides decide that OMGWTF: we don't outnumber and outgun 'em 10-1, so...
5. Both sides retire...

yeah wimps - I mean what did you give them a battleship for?

BAck to Gary Glitter, I think as part of his punishment he should be made to have several showers daily.
Whilst standing naked in the communal shower, he has to do a little dance and sing his hit song,
Do You Wanna Touch Me

We've been here too long
Tryin' to get along
Pretendin' that you're oh so shy
I'm a natural man
Doin' all I can
My temperature is runnin' high

Cry at night
No one in sight
An' we got so much to share
Talking's fine
If you got the time
But I ain't got the time to spare
Yeah

Do you wanna touch (Yeah)
Do you wanna touch (Yeah)
Do you wanna touch me there, where
Do you wanna touch (Yeah)
Do you wanna touch (Yeah)
Do you wanna touch me there, where
There, yeah

Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah

Every little boy
Needs a little joy
All you do is sit an' stare
Beggin' on my knees
Baby, won't you please
Run your fingers through my hair

My, my, my
Whiskey and rye
Don't it make you feel so fine
Right or wrong
Don't it turn you on
Can't you see we're wastin' time, yeah

Do you wanna touch (Yeah)
Do you wanna touch (Yeah)
Do you wanna touch me there, where
Do you wanna touch (Yeah)
Do you wanna touch (Yeah)
Do you wanna touch me there, where
There, yeah