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I know it's a tad early, but I want credit for making this.
So who will win?...I mean how many goals will Spain lose by?

YAY Ukraine!

I should have copyrighted the poll structure huh?

This one is difficult to call. My heart says Ukraine, but my head is full of cachaça.

So a draw. 2 - 2

Shevchenko and Rebrov for the Ukraine, Raul and Reyes for Spain.

Spain never gets blown away. They always just manage to screw up and lose.

Spain 1-2 Ukraine

I predict a 1-1 draw.

Or Ukraine to win 2-1.

I can't decide.

Spain 1-0 Ukraine.

Spain 3-1 Ukraine

I'm looking for a duplication of the Aussie game, personally. :D

I should have copyrighted the poll structure huh?

This one is difficult to call. My heart says Ukraine, but my head is full of cachaça.

So a draw. 2 - 2

Shevchenko and Rebrov for the Ukraine, Raul and Reyes for Spain.
Raul might not be playing.. That's what I heard anyway. So I'm saying Ukraine 2-1.

Ukraine by 5, on account of radioactive super humans.

Spain will win, justo to loose in quarters, as usually. And Raul will probably play.

It depends on how well the Ukranian game plan of "give the ball to Shevchenko" is played out.

Ukraine by 5, on account of radioactive super humans.

:D

Soon all the coaches will copy this technique.

Hmmm... I was expecting everyone to disagree with me and to predict a victory for Spain.

The Ukraine will win by 2-1.

Though it is indeed quite an open game.

Hmmm... I was expecting everyone to disagree with me and to predict a victory for Spain.

The Ukraine will win by 2-1.

Though it is indeed quite an open game.

>_>

Nobody calls it THE Ukraine anymore >_>

Nobody calls it THE Ukraine anymore

I do. :p

can you STOP ADDING POLLS?

Er, well. It doesn't bother me who wins, so....hmm....Go Spain! Yay!

can you STOP ADDING POLLS?

*gives pills*

It's okay, just have some of these and little things like that won't irritate you anymore.

Spain vs. Ukraine 2:0
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/fussball.jpg

Ukraine by 5, on account of radioactive super humans.

Bloody brilliant! :D

0-0 so far!

12 minutes gone ..

I know it's a tad early, but I want credit for making this.
So who will win?...I mean how many goals will Spain lose by?

YAY Ukraine!

Ukraine wins in a dramatic comback.

1-0 Spain in the 13th minute.

0-0 so far!

12 minutes gone ..

You spoke too soon. Spain's up, 1-0.

You spoke too soon. Spain's up, 1-0.

Wasn't pretty, but it went it.

Garcia better have that goal credited to him...i need the points :D

2-0. This could turn into a massacre.

2-0 spain :(

Spain AGAIN ... David Villa scores

Spain actually look comfortable :eek: Not uncomfy on the ball, keeping possesion and spreading the play....even if that shot by Sergio Ramos was shockingly bad...thats why he plays at centre back ;)

GO GO GO SPAIN

¡Que Viva España Carajo!

I'm tired of being dissapointed, but I must follow by heart to my Madre Patria.

2-0 and playing better than usual, so nice.

Well, Ukraine's useless. Just like I expected.

3-0 Spain on a bad call by the ref in the Penalty Box.

And sinking fast, red card to Ukraine and goal to Spain.

And sinking fast, red card to Ukraine and goal to Spain.

That was a bullshit call.

And sinking fast, red card to Ukraine and goal to Spain.

Who got a red card?

3-0 Spain on a bad call by the ref in the Penalty Box.

I said the same thing at first, but after watching the play again, I saw the Ukranian guy pulling down Torres shorts.

Red card by rule, last man commiting fault over a forward.

3-0, although, going higher

3-0 Spain on a bad call by the ref in the Penalty Box.9/10 they do not call that Foul.
Also the linesman is killing Ukraine Goal chances.

Spain has been getting "zebra-lucky" for the last 10 years.

I said the same thing at first, but after watching the play again, I saw the Ukranian guy pulling down Torres shorts.

Red card by rule, last man commiting fault over a forward.

3-0, although, going higher

I saw the replay and I didn't see nothing.

That was a shocking call by the ref. He won't be ref-ing any more matches now, that was a disgraceful decision. Feel so sorry for Vladislav Vashchuk.

I saw the reply and I didn't see nothing.

watch it again

I saw the reply and I didn't see nothing.he did sligthly pull it.

But like i said... 9/10 they do not call that foul.

They need to call it all the time.. or never. (stop the zebra lottery already)

I said the same thing at first, but after watching the play again, I saw the Ukranian guy pulling down Torres shorts.

Red card by rule, last man commiting fault over a forward.

That was no foul, he grabbed his shorts, but did it stop Torres?! No. No foul, it was an awful call. If that really had stopped Torres fine, but I will consider that always a bad call, Torres missed his shot and went down just hoping for a penalty that 99% is never a foul.

That was a shocking call by the ref. He won't be ref-ing any more matches now, that was a disgraceful decision. Feel so sorry for Vladislav Vashchuk.Argentina was robbed 2 goals last game.. Yet that ref is not going to be pulled.. I dont see FIFA doing it for this one.

FIFA fair play? LOL@FIFA :gundge:

That was no foul, he grabbed his shorts, but did it stop Torres?! No. No foul, it was an awful call. If that really had stopped Torres fine, but I will consider that always a bad call, Torres missed his shot and went down just hoping for a penalty that 99% is never a foul.

Pulling down a player's shorts is a fault, doing that inside the area is penalty. I cannot see why it is a ref mistake. And being the last man to commit a fault against the advancing, opposing player is always worth of a red card. Those are the FIFA rules.

If others refs do not sanction it...That's comparative

Consider what you may like. 3-0

Argentina was roobed 2 goals last game.. Yet that ref is not going to be pulled.. I dont see FIFA doing it for this one.

FIFA fair play? LOL@FIFA :gundge:

Yeah, FIFA will make football a non-contact sport soon, mores the pity.

Pulling down a player's shorts is a fault, doing that inside the area is penalty. I cannot see why it is a ref mistake. And being the last man to commit a fault against the advancing, opposing player is always worth of a red card. Those are the FIFA rules.

If others refs do not sanction it...That's comparative

Consider what you may like. 3-0

That was not a faul. If he had stopped the player by pulling his shorts then yes. But he let go before Torres went down. Torres dived because he messed up his shot. There was barely any contact.

That was not a faul. The FIFA rules say blatent obstruction. That was not. Say what you like, but that was a very VERY bad call. He did not stop Torres from taking a shot, neither did he make Torres go down. Therefore no faul was committed, except in the eyes of the ref. Mores the pity. Spain deserve to be winning, but that was no penalty.

EDIT: That goal that has just been disallowed should have been allowed, there was no foul there. The Ukrainian defender went down under a fair challenge!!! This ref is dire.

Well, unless the Ukraine do an "Australia" - not looking good.

If others refs do not sanction it...That's comparative if it was only that some refs call it and some dont..

its that some teams are more likely to get the call. ;)

If anything, the spaniard should've been carded for diving.

if it was only that some refs call it and some dont..

its that some teams are more likely to get the call. ;)


Not exactly Spain. Remember Korea?

Brazil, on the other hand...

If anything, the spaniard should've been carded for diving.

Exactly!

Cards by diving are an extremely subjetive issue, and they are not handed but in the most extreme situations.

I agree that Torres didn't go down by the ppull, but he could had dive just for the inertia instead of crashing against the goalie

Mmh. Those folks can be glad to be playing in Eastern Germany (Leipzig) - wind's picking up pretty strongly here and it already thundered once.

This could prove really interesting for the later games, especially Germany vs. Poland. (Fritz Walter weather, anyone?)

Not exactly Spain. Remember Korea?

Brazil, on the other hand...

I can agree with that.

Whatever the refereeing errors, Spain were dismantling the Ukraine anyway. It is not going to make any difference to the outcome of the game (maybe to the scoreline, but as these two are likely to finish 1 and 2 in the group, it is irrelevant).

The Ukraine didn't play at all in the first half, so I gave up and went to do some work. Unless they have changed from pumping hopeful long balls forward for Shevchenko to chase, the Ukraine didn't stand a chance here.

Spain's midfield was impressive in the first half, controlling the game. Could be Spain's long awaited year to do well.

Cards by diving are an extremely subjetive issue, and they are not handed but in the most extreme situations.

If they were handed out more freely, the Latin American teams would be out for a lack of players able to take the pitch.

Cards by diving are an extremely subjetive issue, and they are not handed but in the most extreme situations.

I agree that Torres didn't go down by the ppull, but he could had dive just for the inertia instead of crashing against the goalie
It's as easy as this: No yanking the shirts or shorts, otherwise it's a punishable offense.
Especially in the boxes. Even more so when you're the last player.

Those who don't want to agree - go play American Football or rugby. This is football/soccer/Fußball.

If they were handed out more freely, the Latin American teams would be out for a lack of players able to take the pitch.

HAHA.

So very true

4:0. Ouch!

4-0 Spain.

Well, at least someone's finally getting whooped worse than the US... =\

Well, at least someone's finally getting whooped worse than the US... =\
Yet...

Puyol's play was outstanding. Amazing :)


I'm so happy, we're playing finally as we should.

¡Que viva España!

Man, Ukraine better not play like this again or it's gone.
Spain looking good here.

It's as easy as this: No yanking the shirts or shorts, otherwise it's a punishable offense.
Especially in the boxes. Even more so when you're the last player.

Those who don't want to agree - go play American Football or rugby. This is football/soccer/Fußball.

But it isn't though. Thats the whole point. If he brought him down via the pulling of the shorts, which he didn't, then yes it would be a sending off. But in this case, it was a quick grab, nothing more, he released Torres, who got away his shot. He did not obstruct a goal scoring chance to the extent that he stopped the chance. Hence, no foul should have been given and no card should have been shown.

As I said before, bad decision.

Puyol's play was outstanding. Amazing


I'm so happy, we're playing finally as we should.

¡Que viva España!

Yup, it was brilliant. Spain have won and deservedly so. Can't wait to see them take on Tunisia and the Saudi's....

Anyone for a bet that Spain will go a few better than the German's 8-0 from 2002? ;)

Well that's it.

Spain 4 and Ukraine 0

But it isn't though. Thats the whole point. If he brought him down via the pulling of the shorts, which he didn't, then yes it would be a sending off. But in this case, it was a quick grab, nothing more, he released Torres, who got away his shot. He did not obstruct a goal scoring chance to the extent that he stopped the chance. Hence, no foul should have been given and no card should have been shown.

As I said before, bad decision.

The rules of the game state clearly that you can not obstruct another player. This includes pulling on their clothing, at any time, in any way. That the pull did not cause Torres to go down, does not make it less of a foul, and a foul in the area is a penalty.

The only issue here is whether there should have been a red card issued or not. As FIFA have instructed the referees to deal harshly with obstruction, and as I understand it, Torres was through on goal, then a red card is justifiable, even if many refs would not have given it.

It is time that something was done about the amount of grabbing and pulling in football, the game is not about the elastic limits of the clothing, after all.

The rain in Spain only falls on Ukraine team ...

And that, from Ukraine, was easily the worst performance by any team in any World Cup ever. Teams like Ukraine shouldn't be allowed to play football anywhere in the world, let alone in the World Cup.

Cards by diving are an extremely subjetive issue, and they are not handed but in the most extreme situations.If FIFA was really about "Fair-Play" .. They would rule a mandory yellow card for diving.

The rules of the game state clearly that you can not obstruct another player. This includes pulling on their clothing, at any time, in any way. That the pull did not cause Torres to go down, does not make it less of a foul, and a foul in the area is a penalty.

But it didn't obstruct him. Not one bit. That's the point.

If FIFA was really about "Fair-Play" .. They would rule a mandory yellow card for diving.

I believe that is the rule.

But it didn't obstruct him. Not one bit. That's the point.

But the intent to obstruct was there. Why the hell did the Ukrainian have to grab his shorts at all? Doing so is a foul.

You can criticise Torres for milking the foul, but it was a foul, and it was there to be milked. If the Ukrainian had not grabbed his shorts at any time, then the penalty and red card would have been unjustified, as it is, they are a consequence of his stupidity. (And the referee being harsh, admitedly)

And that, from Ukraine, was easily the worst performance by any team in any World Cup ever. Teams like Ukraine shouldn't be allowed to play football anywhere in the world, let alone in the World Cup.
Not the Worst perfomance ever.
Not the worst perfomance @ Germany 2006.
Not allowed to play Footbal ???
Not allowed at the WC ????

Ukraine got his place at the WC by defeating other teams. That is all there is to it.

And that, from Ukraine, was easily the worst performance by any team in any World Cup ever. Teams like Ukraine shouldn't be allowed to play football anywhere in the world, let alone in the World Cup.

They qualified. They have the right to play, that they didn't play is a matter for them to sort out. (They are a much better team than this display normally)

And that, from Ukraine, was easily the worst performance by any team in any World Cup ever. Teams like Ukraine shouldn't be allowed to play football anywhere in the world, let alone in the World Cup.

People like you really don't understand football.

Spain put on easily the best show I've seen this world cup so far. Just a shame they'll probably go on to screw it up as usual.

The rules of the game state clearly that you can not obstruct another player. This includes pulling on their clothing, at any time, in any way. That the pull did not cause Torres to go down, does not make it less of a foul, and a foul in the area is a penalty.

The only issue here is whether there should have been a red card issued or not. As FIFA have instructed the referees to deal harshly with obstruction, and as I understand it, Torres was through on goal, then a red card is justifiable, even if many refs would not have given it.

It is time that something was done about the amount of grabbing and pulling in football, the game is not about the elastic limits of the clothing, after all.

Oh come on, that was barely obstruction. He didn't stop the shot being made, neither did he bring the player down.

The ref made the call, and I can't do shit about it, but it was stupidly harsh. It was the softest red card I've ever seen.

Not the Worst perfomance ever.
Not the worst perfomance @ Germany 2006.
Not allowed to play Footbal ???
Not allowed at the WC ????

Ukraine got his place at the WC by defeating other teams. That is all there is to it.

Actually, it was the worst performance at Germany 2006. And Ukraine got it's place by playing injury-depleted teams. Someone good should have gotten their place, like Denmark.

And at least Saudi Arabia didn't have expectations on them in 2002.

And Shevchenko is the most overrated player in history. Useless. I could play better than him! And I've never played any organised football!

But the intent to obstruct was there. Why the hell did the Ukrainian have to grab his shorts at all? Doing so is a foul.

However, it was not enough to obstruct and the player clearly dived which is illegal.

Also, the tug was outside the box and was not even close to being obstructive.

That was a very very bad call.

They qualified. They have the right to play, that they didn't play is a matter for them to sort out. (They are a much better team than this display normally)

There should be a different qualification system. Along the lines of... good teams get in, worthless teams don't. And they're not much better than this, they were lucky, very very lucky.

People like you really don't understand football.

I am Ukrainian, and I can judge my team. It was the worst display of organised sports I've ever seen. Yes, even worse than American Samoa's 31-0 loss to Australia in 2001. Start would be spinning in their graves.

But the intent to obstruct was there. Why the hell did the Ukrainian have to grab his shorts at all? Doing so is a foul.

You can criticise Torres for milking the foul, but it was a foul, and it was there to be milked. If the Ukrainian had not grabbed his shorts at any time, then the penalty and red card would have been unjustified, as it is, they are a consequence of his stupidity. (And the referee being harsh, admitedly)


He didn't go down until well after he stopped. It did not hinder Torres. Hence no foul. He took a clear 4 or 5 strides before he went down. But he went down after hitting the shot, so I'm not criticising him for that.

But the shot was not obstructed, Torres still got the shot away well after the slight grab was done. So it was harsh and wrong IMHO.

Plus if it was a sending off for the tug, it can't have been a penalty as it was outside the box.


Don't get me wrong, Spain looked excellent, deserved to win and scored one of the best goals in the tournament so far. But it was a very harsh decision.

There should be a different qualification system. Along the lines of... good teams get in, worthless teams don't.YEAH lets use the FIFA rankings :D :D :rolleyes: :D

Oh come on, that was barely obstruction. He didn't stop the shot being made, neither did he bring the player down.

The ref made the call, and I can't do shit about it, but it was stupidly harsh. It was the softest red card I've ever seen.

The point is that it was a foul, barely or not. Do you want the ref to have to apply a strain gauge every time a player grabs the opposition's kit, or is grabbing the shorts permitable if the ref thinks it is not stopping the player. No. It is a foul, regardless of the effect it had on the player grabbed. It does not matter how effective the grab is, it matters that the grab was made. It is lke being offside - either you are, or are not - it is not a matter of 'well he was offside a little, but it didn't affect the outcome'.

Yes it was a soft red card, and Torres milked it all he could, but it was a foul and a penalty regardless.

The red card can be attributed to FIFAs instructions though.

If the foul was outside the box, then no penalty. Just a free kick. As I said earlier - I gave up watching at half time. My opinion here is based on the agreement that the Ukrainian grabbed Torres' shorts - and that is a foul regardless of the effect it has.

I am Ukrainian, and I can judge my team. It was the worst display of organised sports I've ever seen. Yes, even worse than American Samoa's 31-0 loss to Australia in 2001. Start would be spinning in their graves.me bad

YEAH lets use the FIFA rankings :D :D :rolleyes: :D

BTW how old are you?

The rankings are accurate for Ukraine. 40-something, although they should be lower.

And I'm 17.

If you were Ukranian you would know how to write "Ukranian". ;)

Yeah, I do. It's Ukrainian, not Ukranian. Ykraiha.

me bad

Yup, you fail. :p

I am Ukrainian, and I can judge my team. It was the worst display of organised sports I've ever seen. Yes, even worse than American Samoa's 31-0 loss to Australia in 2001. Start would be spinning in their graves.

Ah, that explains it.

Don't be so bitter - your team played badly today, but they will do OK in the end.

Yeah, I do. It's Ukrainian, not Ukranian. Ykraiha.and in Ykraiha they say Irak or Iraq. ;)


BTW, my mistake

The point is that it was a foul, barely or not. Do you want the ref to have to apply a strain gauge every time a player grabs the opposition's kit, or is grabbing the shorts permitable if the ref thinks it is not stopping the player. No. It is a foul, regardless of the effect it had on the player grabbed. It does not matter how effective the grab is, it matters that the grab was made. It is lke being offside - either you are, or are not - it is not a matter of 'well he was offside a little, but it didn't affect the outcome'.

Yes it was a soft red card, and Torres milked it all he could, but it was a foul and a penalty regardless.

The red card can be attributed to FIFAs instructions though.

If the foul was outside the box, then no penalty. Just a free kick. As I said earlier - I gave up watching at half time. My opinion here is based on the agreement that the Ukrainian grabbed Torres' shorts - and that is a foul regardless of the effect it has.

I disagree, the Law is easily open to interpretation. The offside rule is not that simple as you well know, you can be clearly offside, hell, even next to the ball, but as long as you don't kick it you're not off side, even when you are. Thats interpretation, as interfering with the off side is a matter of interpretation, hence it's not clear cut.

I don't believe Torres milked it. He went down trying to stear the shot in. Thats normal.

Still, if you wish to say it was a foul, then it was no penalty, as it was initially made outside the box.

Don't be so bitter - your team played badly today, but they will do OK in the end.

No, no they won't. Tunisia is very solid, they'll kick the crap out of Ukraine. And I'm looking forward to Saudi Arabia getting it's first WC win against Ukraine. They stink!

Yup, you fail. :pshit happens.

for the reccord I still think Ukraine is going to the next level.

No, no they won't. Tunisia is very solid, they'll kick the crap out of Ukraine. And I'm looking forward to Saudi Arabia getting it's first WC win against Ukraine. They stink!

Your only 17. Your young yet. You do not know everything.

shit happens.

for the reccord I still think Ukraine does not need to worry about this group.

Yeah, they don't need to worry 'cause they're heading back to frosty Ukraine! They have no chance against Tunisia or Saudi Arabia.

Your only 17. Your young yet. You do not know everything.

I know how this group will turn out. Ukraine last, without a single goal.

I know how this group will turn out. Ukraine last, without a single goal.

As I said, you do not know everything. You have already written your team off and for a loyal fan, that is not something you do.

Ok ok, on a different sport, I already know my team won't make the playoffs but alwell. that's life. However, this is Soccer and the Tun and the KSA are playing in 40 minutes. However, I believe that the Ukraine can beat both of those teams.

Team USA (my team and nation) I think can still move out of the group phase as well but it'll be a tougher fight because of the other big powerhouse we have in our group. You already played the powerhouse in your group and you still have that shot at moving on. USA, well...they still have a chance but a smaller one than the Ukraine has.

USA, well...they still have a chance but a smaller one than the Ukraine has.

Hahahaha. The US has a far better chance at advancing than Ukraine. Ukraine's star player was shifting soil on a dirt farm outside Kyiv a month ago.

Hahahaha. The US has a far better chance at advancing than Ukraine. Ukraine's star player was shifting soil on a dirt farm outside Kyiv a month ago.

Ok. It is becoming apparent that you do not know futball all that well.

Yeah, they don't need to worry 'cause they're heading back to frosty Ukraine! They have no chance against Tunisia or Saudi Arabia.I guess you are allowed to trash your own country.

Do not mind me.. Im just a tourist

http://www.celluloid-dreams.de/content/images/filmposter/deuce-bigalow-european.jpg
:D :D ;) :D

Ok. It is becoming apparent that you do not know futball all that well.

I know enough to tell you that Ukraine is easily the most overrated side in FIFA history. People expected good soccer from them, but they're just another weak little ex-Soviet country. Would you expect anything from Armenia or Estonia?

Ukraine will not advance unless they're Germany '54. Are they Germany '54?

I guess you are allowed to trash your own country.

It's my duty to trash them. I trash my teams when they're winning. When they're losing, they're not a team.

I know enough to tell you that Ukraine is easily the most overrated side in FIFA history. People expected good soccer from them, but they're just another weak little ex-Soviet country. Would you expect anything from Armenia or Estonia?

Since those 2 countries are NOT in the W.C. I'm not going to say anything about them. Ukraine is however and I will say that YOU are NOT giving them a fair chance whatsoever. Even I am giving US a shot at Italy which is one of the premiere futball teams on this planet. Tunisa and Saudi Arabia are not that caliber team. Ukraine does have a better shot than the US and that is a major fact.

Ukraine will not advance unless they're Germany '54. Are they Germany '54?

I bet that Ukraine does advance.

Since those 2 countries are NOT in the W.C. I'm not going to say anything about them. Ukraine is however and I will say that YOU are NOT giving them a fair chance whatsoever. Even I am giving US a shot at Italy which is one of the premiere futball teams on this planet. Tunisa and Saudi Arabia are not that caliber team. Ukraine does have a better shot than the US and that is a major fact.

Ukraine doesn't get a fair chance. They blew their fair chance about 2 and a half hours ago.

I bet that Ukraine does advance.

I'll bet they advance if Tunisia and SA throw the matches.

I hope the Ukrainian team get severely beaten up for this back in Kyiv.

Ukraine doesn't get a fair chance. They blew their fair chance about 2 and a half hours ago.

I'm through. It is obvious futball facts are not sinking in whatsoever.

I'll bet they advance if Tunisia and SA throw the matches.

Ukraine still has the opportunity. US on the other hand.....

I hope the Ukrainian team get severely beaten up for this back in Kyiv.

This is just pathetic.

Your only 17. Your young yet. You do not know everything.
Do you?

I'm through. It is obvious futball facts are not sinking in whatsoever.



Ukraine still has the opportunity. US on the other hand.....



This is just pathetic.

Corny - you are showing a complete lack of understanding of the dejection that a true fan feels when his team is demolished. Let the lad alone huh.

I'm through. It is obvious futball facts are not sinking in whatsoever.

I watched 90 minutes of facts. Plenty for me.

Ukraine still has the opportunity. US on the other hand.....

No, they don't. Tunisia's far too good.

This is just pathetic.

A Columbian player was shot for his performance. The pig farmers from Ukraine should shut up and take it like men.

Do you?

No I don't but I'm not in a habit of writing off teams after one friggin match.

Corny - you are showing a complete lack of understanding of the dejection that a true fan feels when his team is demolished. Let the lad alone huh.

Especially when they're mean to the a GOOD TEAM! They were supposed to be a GOOD TEAM! But they're pathetic! It's an embarrassment to former Soviet Union!

First game of theirs I ever watch. Way to make a fucking impression, Ukraine.

Corny - you are showing a complete lack of understanding of the dejection that a true fan feels when his team is demolished. Let the lad alone huh.

AB, Team USA got demolished as well by the 2nd ranked FIFA team in a very poor showing themselves. That does not mean that US doesn't have a shot. They do but Ukraine has a better shot than the US.

I've seen enough soccer to know that anything can happen.

No I don't but I'm not in a habit of writing off teams after one friggin match.

You only get one match with a performance like that. Japan is written off too.

No I don't but I'm not in a habit of writing off teams after one friggin match.
I know, I just wanted to tease you :p And that is a very bad habit IMO. No matter the team, no matter the game, anything can happen in football.

I watched 90 minutes of facts. Plenty for me.

Was that the only futball match you have seen? I've seen Ukraine play soccer. They didn't play well today and the ref did make some pretty BS calls (as usual).

No, they don't. Tunisia's far too good.

Oh that's crap and you know it.

A Columbian player was shot for his performance.

That's because he put it into his own net against Team USA in the playoffs in 1994. That is still not a reason to kill someone. Let alone their star player. Have you noticed Columbia has not been the same soccerwise since then?

The pig farmers from Ukraine should shut up and take it like men.

Then why don't you shut up and take it like a man instead of lashing out?

I know, I just wanted to tease you :p And that is a very bad habit IMO. No matter the team, no matter the game, anything can happen in football.

No, anything can happen in AUSTRALIAN RULES football. In soccer, I don't think any team has past group stage after 4-0 loss like that.

Especially when they're mean to the a GOOD TEAM! They were supposed to be a GOOD TEAM! But they're pathetic! It's an embarrassment to former Soviet Union!

First game of theirs I ever watch. Way to make a fucking impression, Ukraine.

Dude. I suggest you read the hype around Team USA. They are a GOOD team. Supposed to be a GOOD team and they played like crap.

You only get one match with a performance like that. Japan is written off too.

I doubt it though they also have to go against Croatia as does Australia.

I know, I just wanted to tease you :p And that is a very bad habit IMO. No matter the team, no matter the game, anything can happen in football.

Its actually Futball. :D

AB, Team USA got demolished as well by the 2nd ranked FIFA team in a very poor showing themselves. That does not mean that US doesn't have a shot. They do but Ukraine has a better shot than the US.

I've seen enough soccer to know that anything can happen.

I am not referring to the chances of the Ukraine qualifying for the second phase (which I think they will), but to the psychological state of mind of a supporter who has just seen his team, which he had believed would do well, be completely demolished.

The Ukraine had an outstanding qualifying tournament, and were seen as serious contenders against Spain in this group. They just had this illusion demolished. The USA were always seen as very long shots indeed, the disappointment is not the same.

Yes anything can happen, but that is for later, Right now there is a sense of betrayal and loss to be dealt with by the Ukraine supporters, so let them be.

Was that the only futball match you have seen? I've seen Ukraine play soccer. They didn't play well today and the ref did make some pretty BS calls (as usual).

I've never seen Ukraine play. And I don't intend to again. It's a same way you watch France-Brazil, and skip over Haiti-Virgin Islands.

Oh that's crap and you know it.

Tunisia is a very good team.

That's because he put it into his own net against Team USA in the playoffs in 1994. That is still not a reason to kill someone. Let alone their star player. Have you noticed Columbia has not been the same soccerwise since then?

Yeah, dead players can change a team. Perhaps for the better, this time?

Then why don't you shut up and take it like a man instead of lashing out?

I get to. They raised my hopes. Now they get nothing.

No, anything can happen in AUSTRALIAN RULES football. In soccer, I don't think any team has past group stage after 4-0 loss like that.
Ah, the same mentality that struck Sweden after the 0-0 draw with T&T. "No way we can ever win a game now! We might as well go home! Stupid players, they lost!" Of course, this is most likely not true. One bad game decides nothing. Well, except if you're in the knockout rounds.

Dude. I suggest you read the hype around Team USA. They are a GOOD team. Supposed to be a GOOD team and they played like crap.

That is the significant word here. Only in the USA was the USA team ever given even the slightest chance. But meh.

I'm going to bed. Let me know in the morning who's gonna slaughter Ukraine worse; Tunisia or SA.

That is the significant word here. Only in the USA was the USA team ever given even the slightest chance. But meh.
Still, they shouldn't be underestimated. Most people didn't count on Poland losing that first match either.

Its actually Futball. :Dthe correct word is Football.

Webster told me so. :D

the USA is overrated... of course for people who know the world game, the FIFA rankings are a joke.

As for Ukraine, they weren't ready to play either.

the Czech Republic is better than the USA, but the game should have been fairly close.

Spain is better than the Ukraine, but the game should have been closer.

US and Ukraine were not ready to start. Ukraine is lucky that their other two games are against stalwarts Tunisia and Saudi Arabia. Group A isn't the weakest group -- Grouip H is.

the correct word is Football.

Webster told me so. :D

i cannot wait for football season to start -- college and NFL.

(hehe)

I am not referring to the chances of the Ukraine qualifying for the second phase (which I think they will), but to the psychological state of mind of a supporter who has just seen his team, which he had believed would do well, be completely demolished.

I thought Team USA was going to do better than their 3-0 shallacking with a full squad was going to do better. I turned the game off at halftime.

The Ukraine had an outstanding qualifying tournament, and were seen as serious contenders against Spain in this group. They just had this illusion demolished. The USA were always seen as very long shots indeed, the disappointment is not the same.

Care to place a bet on that? US is in the Group of Death with Czech Republic and Italy in the group. US was expected to do well and guess what? They didn't and questions are rising because of that. The disappointment is still the same for a true fan. Do not make any illusions that they are not.

Yes anything can happen, but that is for later, Right now there is a sense of betrayal and loss to be dealt with by the Ukraine supporters, so let them be.

As opposed to the sense of betrayal and loss to be dealt with by the US Supporters? Come on AB. You have to remember that they were also down a man. That's enough to wear teams down. Its hard to defend when you are down a man.

Ah, the same mentality that struck Sweden after the 0-0 draw with T&T. "No way we can ever win a game now! We might as well go home! Stupid players, they lost!" Of course, this is most likely not true. One bad game decides nothing. Well, except if you're in the knockout rounds.

Exactly. To let this get to you then you honestly have already lost because its going to eat you up. You have to put it behind you quickly and focus on your next match. Fail to do that and you are garunteed to lose the rest of the way.

And one more thing, Shevchenko should be stripped of his Hero of Ukraine Order of the Gold Star.

Still, they shouldn't be underestimated. Most people didn't count on Poland losing that first match either.

Now that's a true statement. Also, Costa Rica played Germany better than I thought they were going to.

Exactly. To let this get to you then you honestly have already lost because its going to eat you up. You have to put it behind you quickly and focus on your next match. Fail to do that and you are garunteed to lose the rest of the way.
Aye. The first day after the game it was blown out of proportion ("THE FIASCO!" being the front-page of Sweden's largest newspaper), but all the players came out in TV and started lambasting the media for not supporting the team. That I liked :)

Aye. The first day after the game it was blown out of proportion ("THE FIASCO!" being the front-page of Sweden's largest newspaper), but all the players came out in TV and started lambasting the media for not supporting the team. That I liked :)

I like Arena's statement to the press "shit happens"

Care to place a bet on that? US is in the Group of Death with Czech Republic and Italy in the group. US was expected to do well and guess what? They didn't and questions are rising because of that. The disappointment is still the same for a true fan. Do not make any illusions that they are not.


The Group of Death includes Holland (netherlands), Argentina, Ivory Coast and Serbia.

US is not in the group of death. USA is in the group of Italy and Czech Republic. The other two teams, USA and Ghana are fairly weak, as will be shown in the Italy-USA match coming soon.

The Group of Death includes Holland (netherlands), Argentina, Ivory Coast and Serbia.

US is not in the group of death. USA is in the group of Italy and Czech Republic. The other two teams, USA and Ghana are fairly weak, as will be shown in the Italy-USA match coming soon.

Actually, they have labeled Group E (the US Group) as the group of Death. Not the German group.

actually, they're both about even:

Italy/Argentina -- even
Czech Republic/Holland - slight edge to Holland
USA/S&M -- slight edge to USA
Ghana/Ivory Coast -- even

I thought Team USA was going to do better than their 3-0 shallacking with a full squad was going to do better. I turned the game off at halftime.
All the more reason for you to understand his dejection and sense of betrayal then.

Care to place a bet on that? US is in the Group of Death with Czech Republic and Italy in the group. US was expected to do well and guess what? They didn't and questions are rising because of that. The disappointment is still the same for a true fan. Do not make any illusions that they are not.
For the USA any group would have been the group of death. Even A and H. The only real group of death is the one with Holland, Argentina and Cotê d'Ivoire. All three of those deserve to be in the second phase.

What I am seeing though is a sickening realisation on the part of Greater Alemannia that Ukraine are not as good as he thought, but complete denial on the part of the USA fans such as yourself, who keep insisting that the USA are still a good team. Different reactions to the evidence.
As opposed to the sense of betrayal and loss to be dealt with by the US Supporters? Come on AB. You have to remember that they were also down a man. That's enough to wear teams down. Its hard to defend when you are down a man.
If it had just been the second half, after the red card, I am sure that GA would be ranting against the ref, but he knows enough to realise that the game was already lost by then. And that hurts. I am not suprised by the USA supporters reaction to their defeat, it is ingrained in the culture to deny that the USA is bad at something. This is not the culture of the Ukranians though. They are much more realistic in their reactions.

actually, they're both about even:

Italy/Argentina -- even
Czech Republic/Holland - slight edge to Holland
USA/S&M -- slight edge to USA
Ghana/Ivory Coast -- even

Italy/Argentina: Even perhaps a slight bit towards Italy for being such a defensive nuisance

Czech/Holland After watching the last matchs, even previous to the WC, slight bit towards the Czech, a really slight bit

USA/S&M: The Serbs are like one time over better than the USA team

Ghana/Ivory Coast: Coat D'Ivoire is fairly superior, fairly

The Holland group is the group of death for everyone except USA sports commentators.

Yea right. Uh uh.

Hehe...it was a long shot, but I voted for Spain at 2+ goals before the game started. I honestly didn't think they'd blow the Ukraine out of the water THIS badly, though... :p

Well, I'm back.

Ukraine and Shevchenko should take a fucking note from Neuville on how to shoot goals.

And judging by the other Group H game, Ukraine is FUCKED.

Well, I'm back.
Like your sig...

Anyways - good on the Spanish. I like their current team, it's young and full of energy.

The Ukraine just got Bitch slapped!

Well, I'm back.

Ukraine and Shevchenko should take a fucking note from Neuville on how to shoot goals.

And judging by the other Group H game, Ukraine is FUCKED.

I guess you missed all the mistakes that both Tunisia and Saudi Arabia made? Yep I thought you did.

Ukraine isn't screwed, TUN and KSA are if they continue to make mistakes like that.

The Ukraine just got Bitch slapped!

"The Ukraine" is a region. The country is called "Ukraine."

Well, I'm back.

Ukraine and Shevchenko should take a fucking note from Neuville on how to shoot goals.

And judging by the other Group H game, Ukraine is FUCKED.
Well, no. A draw was the best result for Ukraine, because they should be able to get at least 4 points from their remaining two games. Assuming Spain also get 4 points, Ukraine will qualify.

"The Ukraine" is a region. The country is called "Ukraine."
Then what should i call your momma?

Why did so many people have high hopes for The Ukraine?

Why did so many people have high hopes for The Ukraine?

Shevchenko is (supposedly) one of the best strikers in the world, and Ukraine appeared to do well in this qualifying group.

Shevchenko is (supposedly) one of the best strikers in the world, and Ukraine appeared to do well in this qualifying group.
I agree with the supposedly and yes they did do well.

Ukraine will win their next 2 matches and move on to the 2nd round.

Then what should i call your momma?

Don't call her at all. The restraining order's still in effect. :p