Excersizing (my 2A rights)
Gun Manufacturers
14-06-2006, 01:30
So, I've finally become a firearms owner. I am now the proud owner of an AR-15, which will hopefully serve me well in eliminating the unruly hordes of paper targets that threaten to take over the world. It is a keyhole marked A2 upper, 16" Wilson post ban barrel, A2 fixed stock, and a RRA lower reciever. I would have gone with the 20" barrel, but the place I ordered from was out of stock.
Anyways, enough with the talk, here's a pic: http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/3190/p11600022ht.jpg
Franberry
14-06-2006, 01:32
nice gun
If I was buying a gun for the first time, id start with a pistol or something, not an assault rifle
Europa Maxima
14-06-2006, 01:33
nice gun
If I was buying a gun for the first time, id start with a pistol or something, not an assault rifle
Yeah, same here. Pretty gun either way. ^^
Im a ninja
14-06-2006, 01:36
ARs are for girly-men.
http://www.sarcoinc.com/images/50calmg.gif
Much more effective in defending us from those damn paper targets
but seriously, nice gun.
Lunatic Goofballs
14-06-2006, 01:36
You know what they say about the size of a man's gun. ;)
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It's directly proportional to the size of his...um...hand. :confused:
HotRodia
14-06-2006, 01:37
ARs are for girly-men.
http://www.sarcoinc.com/images/50calmg.gif
Much more effective in defending us from those damn paper targets
but seriously, nice gun.
I'd rather have the AR-15, for the sake of mobility.
Edit: 4,000th post. Go me!
Franberry
14-06-2006, 01:38
I'd rather have the AR-15, for the sake of mobility.
I'd rather have a Leopard 2, mobility AND firepower
The Ogiek People
14-06-2006, 01:39
So, I've finally become a firearms owner. I am now the proud owner of an AR-15, which will hopefully serve me well in eliminating the unruly hordes of paper targets that threaten to take over the world. It is a keyhole marked A2 upper, 16" Wilson post ban barrel, A2 fixed stock, and a RRA lower reciever. I would have gone with the 20" barrel, but the place I ordered from was out of stock.
Anyways, enough with the talk, here's a pic: http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/3190/p11600022ht.jpg
I have to give you credit. It's not every man who would proudly proclaim on a message board that he has a two-inch penis.
Franberry
14-06-2006, 01:40
I have to give you credit. It's not every man who would proudly proclaim on a message board that he has a two-inch penis.
wow, you're funny
and probably jelous that this man has a gun, therefore you bring his "manhood" into it
Im a ninja
14-06-2006, 01:41
I have to give you credit. It's not every man who would proudly proclaim on a message board that he has a two-inch penis.
And the equation to find penis size as proportinal to gun size is as follows:
someone saying they have a gun + Crazy anti-gun nut = random small penis size.
Lunatic Goofballs
14-06-2006, 01:41
I have to give you credit. It's not every man who would proudly proclaim on a message board that he has a two-inch penis.
True, but we're proud of your courage.You are an inspiration. :)
HotRodia
14-06-2006, 01:42
I have to give you credit. It's not every man who would proudly proclaim on a message board that he has a two-inch penis.
Insecurity takes many forms. Buying compensatory mechanisms, attacking other men for doing so, or what I'm doing right now which is pointing out that you seem to have a need to suggest that another man has a small penis. :D
Im a ninja
14-06-2006, 01:44
I'd rather have the AR-15, for the sake of mobility.
Edit: 4,000th post. Go me!
Or if fighitng paper, a gas can and a lighter
Congrats!
Gun Manufacturers
14-06-2006, 01:44
nice gun
If I was buying a gun for the first time, id start with a pistol or something, not an assault rifle
I need a pistol permit in order to purchase a pistol in CT. Hopefully I can get the paperwork finished soon (I've already taken the NRA Basic Pistol course).
I do want to make one correction though. My rifle isn't an assault weapon, because assault weapons are banned in my state. The list of "evil" features is as follows (semi auto firearms are allowed to have a removeable magazine and 1 evil feature before they are considered assault weapons in CT):
Pistol grip (the design of the AR-15 type pretty much requires this)
Flash hider or threaded barrel designed to accept a flash hider (mine has neither, although I can have a muzzle brake)
Grenade launcher (don't have one)
Collapsible stock (I have a fixed stock on mine)
Bayonet lug (my front sight base doesn't include one)
Gun Manufacturers
14-06-2006, 01:46
ARs are for girly-men.
http://www.sarcoinc.com/images/50calmg.gif
Much more effective in defending us from those damn paper targets
but seriously, nice gun.
That would get me into (financial) trouble, trying to keep up with its appetite. Nice M2 though.
The Ogiek People
14-06-2006, 01:46
Insecurity takes many forms. Buying compensatory mechanisms, attacking other men for doing so, or what I'm doing right now which is pointing out that you seem to have a need to suggest that another man has a small penis. :D
Hey, I could be wrong. He may also drive a Humvee, in which case the estimate would have to be reduced by half.
Im a ninja
14-06-2006, 01:47
Grenade launcher (don't have one)
I must say, its awfullly hard to claim you could use on of those for home defense. Or hunting.
HotRodia
14-06-2006, 01:49
I must say, its awfullly hard to say you could use on of those for home defense. Or hunting.
There are some parts of the US where a grenade launcher would be really good for home defense.
Entsteig
14-06-2006, 01:51
I'd say it would be more of a deterrent. Add a few mannequins that look like dead people on your lawn and no person would think of taking your silverware.
Lunatic Goofballs
14-06-2006, 01:51
I must say, its awfullly hard to claim you could use on of those for home defense. Or hunting.
What about fishing? :)
Im a ninja
14-06-2006, 01:53
What about fishing? :)
Lmao :p
Entsteig
14-06-2006, 01:53
What about fishing? :)
It would be nice to have a bayonet for that too. Stick it into the dead fish and drop them in your boat.
Gun Manufacturers
14-06-2006, 01:54
Hey, I could be wrong. He may also drive a Humvee, in which case the estimate would have to be reduced by half.
No Hummer or HMMWV for me. It's overweight, overhyped, underpowered, and not as large internally as many people might think (I'm 6'3", so a roomy interior is important for me). BTW, I'd appreciate it if you didn't throw around personal attacks and insults. After all, you know next to nothing about me.
Dinaverg
14-06-2006, 01:56
Insecurity takes many forms. Buying compensatory mechanisms, attacking other men for doing so, or what I'm doing right now which is pointing out that you seem to have a need to suggest that another man has a small penis. :D
And, after having been accused of having a small penis, measuring it again just to check.
Im a ninja
14-06-2006, 01:57
No Hummer or HMMWV for me. It's overweight, overhyped, underpowered, and not as large internally as many people might think (I'm 6'3", so a roomy interior is important for me). BTW, I'd appreciate it if you didn't throw around personal attacks and insults. After all, you know next to nothing about me.
Seriously. They're not that useful. The Orignal hummers were good but the new ones use too much gas, have like no engine power, and is too long/too big of a wheel base. A wrangler or similar is much better for off roading.
HotRodia
14-06-2006, 01:59
And, after having been accused of having a small penis, measuring it again just to check.
Do people really do that? :eek:
Barbaric Tribes
14-06-2006, 02:02
that is a nice gun man, im more of an AK fan myself, but AR still works, I still like the A1 barrel from vietnam though, I jsut think it looks so much better, the A2 is far more reliable though, If i was gonna buy one I'd by an A2 (or an A3 actually becuase they're full auto! if i could) then put the A1 barrel on it, have fun with your new weapon! :)
Barbaric Tribes
14-06-2006, 02:03
Seriously. They're not that useful. The Orignal hummers were good but the new ones use too much gas, have like no engine power, and is too long/too big of a wheel base. A wrangler or similar is much better for off roading.
US should stick with the good old Jeep!
Im a ninja
14-06-2006, 02:05
US should stick with the good old Jeep!
theyre not big enough for millitary uses. Jeeps carry around 4 ppl, Humvees carry like what, six people? Plus ammo and a big ol .50 on top. And there armored[mostly], where as most jeeps are open.
Arrkendommer
14-06-2006, 02:13
I need a pistol permit in order to purchase a pistol in CT. Hopefully I can get the paperwork finished soon (I've already taken the NRA Basic Pistol course).
I do want to make one correction though. My rifle isn't an assault weapon, because assault weapons are banned in my state. The list of "evil" features is as follows (semi auto firearms are allowed to have a removeable magazine and 1 evil feature before they are considered assault weapons in CT):
Pistol grip (the design of the AR-15 type pretty much requires this)
Flash hider or threaded barrel designed to accept a flash hider (mine has neither, although I can have a muzzle brake)
Grenade launcher (don't have one)
Collapsible stock (I have a fixed stock on mine)
Bayonet lug (my front sight base doesn't include one)
But still, it's pretty much an M-16
Secret aj man
14-06-2006, 02:13
nice gun
If I was buying a gun for the first time, id start with a pistol or something, not an assault rifle
hate to nit pic..but it aint an assualt rifle(only portrayed as such by the media when conveniant to their anti gun bias.as opposed to the exspose' they just did about how ineffectual the m-16 round is in iraq..lol...but in america it is an evil sniper rifle capable of shooting miles and blasting thru bricks..but in iraq it magically becomes ineffectual and incapable of putting down a man with multible hits..oh well..must be the heat or sumpthin?)
it is correctly called,what it is..a semi automatic rifle,no different then a wee little .22 plinker that auto loads.
nice gun by the way,gonna get me one soon also,to add to my collection.
Katganistan
14-06-2006, 02:15
You know what they say about the size of a man's gun. ;)
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It's directly proportional to the size of his...um...hand. :confused:
I thought inversely... ;)
Gun Manufacturers
14-06-2006, 02:17
that is a nice gun man, im more of an AK fan myself, but AR still works, I still like the A1 barrel from vietnam though, I jsut think it looks so much better, the A2 is far more reliable though, If i was gonna buy one I'd by an A2 (or an A3 actually becuase they're full auto! if i could) then put the A1 barrel on it, have fun with your new weapon! :)
I can't have an AK in 7.62x39mm in CT. I can have it in any other caliber, though (makes no sense, but unfortunately, I don't make the laws).
I could've gone with the pencil barrel from the Vietnam era M16A1, but it's threaded and has a flash hider, so the only way I've be able to have one is if I owned a pre-ban AR lower, have the flash hider removed and the threads cut off, or if I replace the flash hider with a muzzle brake and permanently attach it to the end of the barrel (permanently covering the threads).
Gun Manufacturers
14-06-2006, 02:20
But still, it's pretty much an M-16
Actually, my AR cannot be made to fire F/A or burst without extensive modifications. The shelf behind the fire control group is too shallow to accept the M-16's parts. The fire control group is also different. Finally, the bolt carrier group in an AR-15 is different than the one from the M-16.
Barbaric Tribes
14-06-2006, 02:23
I can't have an AK in 7.62x39mm in CT. I can have it in any other caliber, though (makes no sense, but unfortunately, I don't make the laws).
I could've gone with the pencil barrel from the Vietnam era M16A1, but it's threaded and has a flash hider, so the only way I've be able to have one is if I owned a pre-ban AR lower, have the flash hider removed and the threads cut off, or if I replace the flash hider with a muzzle brake and permanently attach it to the end of the barrel (permanently covering the threads).
Man, thats sucks, I can really say much for law, I live in Wisconsin...lol.... I do believe the nations needs to look at the second amendment better, people kill people, not guns, if i wanted to kill someone and didnt have a gun, I'd use a knife... it doesnt impend murder rates, it only closes the gap on freedoms more, ugh, nvm that, I dont think anyone here wants this to turn into another huge Second Amendment battle forum again....
Dinaverg
14-06-2006, 02:24
...I dont think anyone here wants this to turn into another huge Second Amendment battle forum again....
Sure we do! Bring on the hoplophobes!
Barbaric Tribes
14-06-2006, 02:25
btw, would you (or anyone) know of any site or place that sells A1 barrels? (no in the market at the moment but curious)
I do like my SKS, I have a bayonet and the old grenade launcher on it where you place a grenade at the end of the barrel!:)
Island of TerryTopia
14-06-2006, 02:32
I just hope no one ends up dead from your new TOY
Sel Appa
14-06-2006, 02:33
The second amendment does not allow you to own a gun, Congress and your state does...well unless you're in some militia, which I doubt.
Dinaverg
14-06-2006, 02:34
I just hope no one ends up dead from your new TOY
TOY! TOYTOYTOY! TO-Y!
Why is that so fun to say?
German Nightmare
14-06-2006, 02:34
TOY! TOYTOYTOY! TO-Y!
Why is that so fun to say?
Because http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/MachineGunSmiley.gif
Barbaric Tribes
14-06-2006, 02:36
The second amendment does not allow you to own a gun, Congress and your state does...well unless you're in some militia, which I doubt.
Well I am as a matter afact, and yes the second ammendment does let you have guns, thats why its called "RIGHT TO BEAR AND KEEP ARMS"
Gun Manufacturers
14-06-2006, 02:51
btw, would you (or anyone) know of any site or place that sells A1 barrels? (no in the market at the moment but curious)
I do like my SKS, I have a bayonet and the old grenade launcher on it where you place a grenade at the end of the barrel!:)
Check www.sarcoinc.com. I believe the part number you'd want is AR014 (M-16 Complete Barrel Set). It's everything forward of the upper reciever.
Gun Manufacturers
14-06-2006, 02:53
I just hope no one ends up dead from your new TOY
Firearms are NOT toys, and that is how accidents happen. Since I respect what my rifle is capable of if treated carelessly, nobody should end up dead because of it.
Secret aj man
14-06-2006, 02:53
Well I am as a matter afact, and yes the second ammendment does let you have guns, thats why its called "RIGHT TO BEAR AND KEEP ARMS"
dont waste your breath dude/dudette.
some have their minds made up that inanimate objects are evil..period..facts or logic will never prevail,so move on to someone with an open mind.
but since you have a small penis as a gun owner,your opinion does not count.
which bears out the question,what nice little infatile insult do they have for the myriad gun owners that happen to be female?
i assume they have small penis',maybe they are lesbians?little breasts?bad breath?
the louder and more insulting people are..the less they know about the subject and try to cover their lack of knowledge with insults or noise,or changing the subject somehow.
example:people kill people,not guns
answer:well if we ban guns no one will be shot
counter:well if we ban cars noone will die in car accidents or intentionally run down
answer:we need cars to get around,sucks people die but was not designed to kill people
counter:ok,what about knives,ban them
ad nauseam,they drag you into a circular argument with no end,because the foundation of their argument is meritless.
or the little penis thing always works..lol
i'll show you mine if...
Congratulations. I hope it serves you well.
Gun Manufacturers
14-06-2006, 02:56
The second amendment does not allow you to own a gun, Congress and your state does...well unless you're in some militia, which I doubt.
Not this crap again. :rolleyes:
The second amendment is: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
This part: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,
is subordinate to this part: the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Therefore, the second amendment DOES allow me to own a firearm.
Gun Manufacturers
14-06-2006, 02:58
Congratulations. I hope it serves you well.
I hope so. All the parts were purchased new, and the parts are from relatively good brands (RRA, Wilson, CMT, etc).
I hope so. All the parts were purchased new, and the parts are from relatively good brands (RRA, Wilson, CMT, etc).
I must admit, I know next to nothing about guns. Just as long as it's not an assault rifle or anything like that, I have no problem with it. I personally feel safer without a gun in my house(hey, knives can cut more than onions, y'know;) ), but I can understand why someone would need a gun. Anyway, I hope you use it safely and wisely, and congratulations once again.
LaLaland0
14-06-2006, 03:06
Wait, are you a part of a well regulated militia? Cause that's the only real way to be "protected" by the 2nd Amendment.
LaLaland0
14-06-2006, 03:08
Not this crap again. :rolleyes:
The second amendment is: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
This part: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,
is subordinate to this part: the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Therefore, the second amendment DOES allow me to own a firearm.
Who died and promoted you to the supreme court? You don't have the power to interpret which part of the constitution is subordinate to shit! And FYI, when you're quoting something, you might want to use the correct grammar.
Im a ninja
14-06-2006, 03:11
Who died and promoted you to the supreme court? You don't have the power to interpret which part of the constitution is subordinate to shit! And FYI, when you're quoting something, you might want to use the correct grammar.
And scince when have you been a supereme court justice?
LaLaland0
14-06-2006, 03:16
And scince when have you been a supereme court justice?
I didn't say that I was, he was stating that one part of the 2nd Amendment was "subordinate" to a subsequent part. I can't see how he's making that connection, unless one of two things is happening:
1. He's full of shit, and just wants to bend the wording of the Constitution to meet his needs.
2. He's a supreme court justice, and this is his job.
If you can see any other possibilities, I'd consider them.
Kecibukia
14-06-2006, 03:38
I didn't say that I was, he was stating that one part of the 2nd Amendment was "subordinate" to a subsequent part. I can't see how he's making that connection, unless one of two things is happening:
1. He's full of shit, and just wants to bend the wording of the Constitution to meet his needs.
2. He's a supreme court justice, and this is his job.
If you can see any other possibilities, I'd consider them.
Or maybe he knows a little more about grammar and historical usage than you do.
Do some reading:
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
LaLaland0
14-06-2006, 03:40
Or maybe he knows a little more about grammar and historical usage than you do.
Do some reading:
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
Hmm, ok so he quoted it correctly. +1 for him and you.
He still is spewing liquid feces with the rest of his reasoning though.
Kecibukia
14-06-2006, 03:42
Wait, are you a part of a well regulated militia? Cause that's the only real way to be "protected" by the 2nd Amendment.
Oh, look, more traditional nonsense from the uneducated.
Do some more reading:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode10/usc_sec_10_00000311----000-.html
§ 311. Militia: composition and classes
How Current is This?
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
LaLaland0
14-06-2006, 03:47
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
Hey, if guard/militia men want to own guns so that the rest of the federation is safe, that's totally cool with me. But if you're going to use the 2nd Amendment to try and justify the average joe, or drug dealer/criminal, off the street's right to own a firearm, it just doesn't work.
EDIT: The bolded parts
UpwardThrust
14-06-2006, 03:50
I'd rather have a Leopard 2, mobility AND firepower
But your gun gets horrible gas milage
Kecibukia
14-06-2006, 03:51
Hey, if guard/militia men want to own guns so that the rest of the federation is safe, that's totally cool with me. But if you're going to use the 2nd Amendment to try and justify the average joe, or drug dealer/criminal, off the street's right to own a firearm, it just doesn't work.
Oh, look, now we get into the false dichotomy of "I defend the 2nd so I must want everyone have a firearm". BTW, your "average Joe" is the citizenry of the United States and are the militia. Criminals are not your "average Joe".
UpwardThrust
14-06-2006, 03:52
Oh, look, more traditional nonsense from the uneducated.
Do some more reading:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode10/usc_sec_10_00000311----000-.html
§ 311. Militia: composition and classes
How Current is This?
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
Wait wait ... if I am reading that right any male between 17-45 can be concidered "militia" so have a right to own a firearm
But only women who are a member of the national guard qualify?
Kecibukia
14-06-2006, 03:54
Wait wait ... if I am reading that right any male between 17-45 can be concidered "militia" so have a right to own a firearm
But only women who are a member of the national guard qualify?
There's still some archaics in there. Women also don't have to sign up for the selective service. Progress will come though.
Lunatic Goofballs
14-06-2006, 03:57
Wait, are you a part of a well regulated militia? Cause that's the only real way to be "protected" by the 2nd Amendment.
That's not what it's saying. It's saying that the people's right to keep an bear arms are necessary TO regulate the militia. :p
UpwardThrust
14-06-2006, 03:58
There's still some archaics in there. Women also don't have to sign up for the selective service. Progress will come though.
Ok just making sure I did not read it wrong...
So if this is what our rights to own guns is based off of why are females alowed to own guns that are not in a guard? I am not being a jackass but when using this as a shoehorn for the populace to own guns you dont have much wiggle room specialy with this as specific as it is
LaLaland0
14-06-2006, 04:01
Oh, look, now we get into the false dichotomy of "I defend the 2nd so I must want everyone have a firearm".
You aren't defending the 2nd Amendment, you are defending the warped version of the 2nd Amendment which you hold in your head. I've already clarified what it says in the actual text and what it means literally (and there is no reason to believe that the authors were being figurative here).
BTW, your "average Joe" is the citizenry of the United States and are the militia. Criminals are not your "average Joe".
Yes, the "Average Joe" that I was speaking about was the citizenry of the United States, and the average citizen of the United States is not a member of an official (or unofficial) militia. I have already said that I'm fine with the militia having guns. How are we supposed to know who the criminals are when they buy the gun. I understand that there is the waiting period/background check in most cases, for most guns, but how are we sure that the people who are benign one day (assuming that they provided accurate information to the people selling the gun) are going to stay that way until the gun rusts shut?
LaLaland0
14-06-2006, 04:03
Wait wait ... if I am reading that right any male between 17-45 can be concidered "militia" so have a right to own a firearm
But only women who are a member of the national guard qualify?
I'm pretty sure that's a typo, they meant to say "and or female citizens" and they said "and of female citizens".
LaLaland0
14-06-2006, 04:04
That's not what it's saying. It's saying that the people's right to keep an bear arms are necessary TO regulate the militia. :p
:p Why don't you try reading the words in the sentence and then say something. :p
Kecibukia
14-06-2006, 04:06
Ok just making sure I did not read it wrong...
So if this is what our rights to own guns is based off of why are females alowed to own guns that are not in a guard? I am not being a jackass but when using this as a shoehorn for the populace to own guns you dont have much wiggle room specialy with this as specific as it is
Thankfully most governments have been progressive enough not to try and push that those falling outside of those limits aren't "allowed" to own firearms.
I don't take your comment as jackassery. It's refreshingly polite. As it stands, that's the legal definition of a militia. Historically, the militia are the people .
Even if you look at the court cases, which mostly follow from US v Miller, they don't attempt to restrict firearms based on militia membership but on the "usefullness" of the firearm to a militia. That's where the catch lies. They never clearly say which ones ARE useful but just keep expanding the list of the ones that "aren't" no matter how weak the justifications. Recent cases are starting to change that precedent however.
Lunatic Goofballs
14-06-2006, 04:10
:p Why don't you try reading the words in the sentence and then say something. :p
Amendment 2:
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
DO you realize who the people who wrote this were? They were scholars and they chose their words with great care.
They are NOT saying that the right to keep and bear arms is necessary for a well regulated militia. If that is what they wanted to say, that is what they would say. What they are saying is that in order to maintain the security of a free state, the PEOPLE MUST maintain the right to keep and bear arms in order to regulate the militia.
Kecibukia
14-06-2006, 04:12
I'm pretty sure that's a typo, they meant to say "and or female citizens" and they said "and of female citizens".
There's a typo on the Cornell University site quoting federal law. Oh that's rich!!!!
Kecibukia
14-06-2006, 04:14
You aren't defending the 2nd Amendment, you are defending the warped version of the 2nd Amendment which you hold in your head. I've already clarified what it says in the actual text and what it means literally (and there is no reason to believe that the authors were being figurative here).
Obviously you know little of history:
here, do some more reading:
http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndpur.html
http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndfqu.html
Yes, the "Average Joe" that I was speaking about was the citizenry of the United States, and the average citizen of the United States is not a member of an official (or unofficial) militia. I have already said that I'm fine with the militia having guns.
You do realize that what I cited is federal law right? Ever read the constitutions of most of the states? They say similar. Sounds like the only things being made up are from you.
How are we supposed to know who the criminals are when they buy the gun. I understand that there is the waiting period/background check in most cases, for most guns, but how are we sure that the people who are benign one day (assuming that they provided accurate information to the people selling the gun) are going to stay that way until the gun rusts shut?
So you're endorsing pre-crime now?
UpwardThrust
14-06-2006, 04:17
Thankfully most governments have been progressive enough not to try and push that those falling outside of those limits aren't "allowed" to own firearms.
I don't take your comment as jackassery. It's refreshingly polite. As it stands, that's the legal definition of a militia. Historically, the militia are the people .
Even if you look at the court cases, which mostly follow from US v Miller, they don't attempt to restrict firearms based on militia membership but on the "usefullness" of the firearm to a militia. That's where the catch lies. They never clearly say which ones ARE useful but just keep expanding the list of the ones that "aren't" no matter how weak the justifications. Recent cases are starting to change that precedent however.
I was genuinly curious ... I come into gun threads and argue stats I know it may seem like I am anti gun
But in the end I am libertarian and pro property rights
Kecibukia
14-06-2006, 04:20
I was genuinly curious ... I come into gun threads and argue stats I know it may seem like I am anti gun
But in the end I am libertarian and pro property rights
The stats are ambiguous, true. I've never been one to claim that more guns=less crime, visa versa or any version thereof.
LaLaland0
14-06-2006, 04:21
Obviously you know little of history: I know plenty of history. You have yet to answer my statements with any of your words, any of your justifications.
You do realize that what I cited is federal law right? Ever read the constitutions of most of the states? They say similar. Sounds like the only things being made up are from you.
You did quote federal law, yes. The question is whether you understood the federal law that you quoted.
So you're endorsing pre-crime now?
No, I'm endorsing not selling guns to people who aren't members of a "militia" as defined by you in one of your earlier posts.
Lunatic Goofballs
14-06-2006, 04:23
The stats are ambiguous, true. I've never been one to claim that more guns=less crime, visa versa or any version thereof.
To be honest, the statistics on gun crime are irrelevant to me. I only see violent crimes and violent criminals. I really don't feel much better if the victim was clobbered with a brick as opposed to shot with a gun.
Seems to me, that the way to stop violent crime is to stop violent criminals and not to pick and choose what they hurt people with.
LaLaland0
14-06-2006, 04:24
There's a typo on the Cornell University site quoting federal law. Oh that's rich!!!!
How do you justify the wording of that passage, if it isn't a typo?
Lunatic Goofballs
14-06-2006, 04:25
No, I'm endorsing not selling guns to people who aren't members of a "militia" as defined by you in one of your earlier posts.
But the second amendment doesn't protect the militia's right to keep and bear arms, it protects the PEOPLE'S right to keep an bear arms.
Kecibukia
14-06-2006, 04:27
I know plenty of history. You have yet to answer my statements with any of your words, any of your justifications.
Oh, you mean the multiple sources showing that the FF's meant the right of the individual from their own letters? Those?
You did quote federal law, yes. The question is whether you understood the federal law that you quoted.
I understand it completely. All males 17-45 are part of the Militia whether organized or unorganized and all women in the NG. You, however, claimed a "typo". I'ld love for you to prove that one.
No, I'm endorsing not selling guns to people who aren't members of a "militia" as defined by you in one of your earlier posts.
So you want to descriminate against women , the handicapped, and the elderly. Outstanding. There's some progressive thinking for you.
Do you actually have anything to back up your beliefs?
I'd rather have a pistol. Or a LAZOR gun.
Im a ninja
14-06-2006, 04:30
But your gun gets horrible gas milage
You could use it to rob gas stations and tanker trucks *nods*
LaLaland0
14-06-2006, 04:31
But the second amendment doesn't protect the militia's right to keep and bear arms, it protects the PEOPLE'S right to keep an bear arms.
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
Which part of this sentence states that the PEOPLE have the right bear arms. Spell it out for me, please, I'm stupid.
Gun Manufacturers
14-06-2006, 04:31
I didn't say that I was, he was stating that one part of the 2nd Amendment was "subordinate" to a subsequent part. I can't see how he's making that connection, unless one of two things is happening:
1. He's full of shit, and just wants to bend the wording of the Constitution to meet his needs.
2. He's a supreme court justice, and this is his job.
If you can see any other possibilities, I'd consider them.
Did you read the link Kecibukia posted? It says right in there (section II, subsection C) that the phrase, "A Well Regulated Militia, being Necessary to the Security of a Free State", is subordinate to the rest of it. Here's the link again, just so you don't miss it. http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm Also, the part that says, "The Right of the People", refers to individuals (section II, subsection A). Have you read the conclusion? Here it is: For the foregoing reasons, we conclude that the Second Amendment secures an individual right to keep and to bear arms. Current case law leaves open and unsettled the question of whose right is secured by the Amendment. Although we do not address the scope of the right, our examination of the original meaning of the Amendment provides extensive reasons to conclude that the Second Amendment secures an individual right, and no persuasive basis for either the collective-right or quasi-collective-right views. The text of the Amendment's operative clause, setting out a "right of the people to keep and bear Arms," is clear and is reinforced by the Constitution's structure. The Amendment's prefatory clause, properly understood, is fully consistent with this interpretation. The broader history of the Anglo-American right of individuals to have and use arms, from England's Revolution of 1688-1689 to the ratification of the Second Amendment a hundred years later, leads to the same conclusion. Finally, the first hundred years of interpretations of the Amendment, and especially the commentaries and case law in the pre-Civil War period closest to the Amendment's ratification, confirm what the text and history of the Second Amendment require.
Seeing as that is from the Department of Justice, it's my opinion that these people can be trusted to know how to interpret the US Constitution.
Kecibukia
14-06-2006, 04:34
How do you justify the wording of that passage, if it isn't a typo?
Now try reading it....
The militia of the United States consists of ..... female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
Still believe it's a "typo"? If so, then prove it.
Im a ninja
14-06-2006, 04:34
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
Which part of this sentence states that the PEOPLE have the right bear arms. Spell it out for me, please, I'm stupid.
"T-H-E R-I-G-H-T O-F T-H-E P-E-O-P-L-E"
Jwp-serbu
14-06-2006, 04:35
i "own" a real assault weapon - an ea j15 converted to full auto fire with both 223/5.56 uppers and 9mm upper and several other nfa items
one must jump through many .gov hoops and get anal probing by the feebs [fbi background check] etc before you may own one
i can easily [truthfully also] say that my firearms have killed fewer people than teddy kennedy's car or cousins, etc
nice ar15
and if you really study the constitution, the right to keep and bear arms predates the 1922 or 1924 establishment of the national guard and is an INDIVIDUAL right not a collective right - just like all the other individual rights enumerated in the bill of rights
ymmv
:headbang: :sniper: :mp5: :cool:
UpwardThrust
14-06-2006, 04:37
To be honest, the statistics on gun crime are irrelevant to me. I only see violent crimes and violent criminals. I really don't feel much better if the victim was clobbered with a brick as opposed to shot with a gun.
Seems to me, that the way to stop violent crime is to stop violent criminals and not to pick and choose what they hurt people with.
True that but the “Stats” he was talking about was for violent crime DEFENSE too … not just what someone was attacked with but if it is effective to defend yourself more with a rock or a gun … (and thoes tats are kind of shaky right now)
Kecibukia
14-06-2006, 04:38
Spell it out for me, please, I'm stupid.
Obviously.
Go back and read the DOJ paper again. Do it slowly, though.
One day I would like to see two people sit down and actually talk about the right to bear arms, what it means, what limits can be reasonbly imposed to balance the right of individuals against the right of the collective people.
And do so without resorting to NRA gun nut slogans and Brady OMG! A GUN!!! kneejerk reactions.
And on that day I'm sure I will be ducking low to avoid all the flying pork.
Jwp-serbu
14-06-2006, 04:42
btw i don't own these but i've shot them - talk about a BLAST
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/p32shooter/detail?.dir=c737&.dnm=a291.jpg&.src=ph
Jwp-serbu
14-06-2006, 04:43
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/p32shooter/detail?.dir=c737&.dnm=5b14.jpg&.src=ph
friend's assortment
UpwardThrust
14-06-2006, 04:44
One day I would like to see two people sit down and actually talk about the right to bear arms, what it means, what limits can be reasonbly imposed to balance the right of individuals against the right of the collective people.
And do so without resorting to NRA gun nut slogans and Brady OMG! A GUN!!! kneejerk reactions.
And on that day I'm sure I will be ducking low to avoid all the flying pork.
I am up for it ... I normaly argue what the "Stats" say or do not say more then anything really
Nagapura
14-06-2006, 04:44
btw i don't own these but i've shot them - talk about a BLAST
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/p32shooter/detail?.dir=c737&.dnm=a291.jpg&.src=ph
Whoa! Now that's a gun! :eek:
I am up for it ... I normaly argue what the "Stats" say or do not say more then anything really
That would be a very nice change of pace, especially around here. :D
UpwardThrust
14-06-2006, 04:46
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/p32shooter/detail?.dir=c737&.dnm=5b14.jpg&.src=ph
friend's assortment
I am all for the right to own a gun but sheesh that is a lot of money that is practically worthless.
AT least the money I sink into computers gets used a hundred times over not only making me money but also working as study development platforms
Im a ninja
14-06-2006, 04:46
btw i don't own these but i've shot them - talk about a BLAST
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/p32shooter/detail?.dir=c737&.dnm=a291.jpg&.src=ph
Now that thing is tight! I need one of those! Ill mount on top of my car, and then well see who cuts me off muwhahahahaha!
Jwp-serbu
14-06-2006, 04:47
pair actually
saving up tio shoot a quad 50 [4 guns mounted on aa platform] and maybe a 76mm antitank cannon - was at knob creek in april [ky] @ $250/shot :p :p :p
DesignatedMarksman
14-06-2006, 04:47
I just hope no one ends up dead from your new TOY
Only burglars, Rapists, SOS, and lots and lots of innocent
Paper targets. Gun manufacturers, if you're ever in Tejas give me a ring, I'll let you shoot a REAL infantrymen's weapon. Not a mousegun :D .
The second amendment does not allow you to own a gun, Congress and your state does...well unless you're in some militia, which I doubt.
"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed...."
But still, it's pretty much an M-16
Not even close.....Similar, but no....
UpwardThrust
14-06-2006, 04:48
That would be a very nice change of pace, especially around here. :D
Agreed … maybe unlike gay marriage or some of the other topics around here I really have no bad past with it and no real personal stake (I mean I have a few small caliber rifles and a shot gun or two) but I am too into to many other things to really care about a gun collection.
We just use them on varmints or what not on the farm … usefull but traps work most of the time too
Gun Manufacturers
14-06-2006, 04:48
One day I would like to see two people sit down and actually talk about the right to bear arms, what it means, what limits can be reasonbly imposed to balance the right of individuals against the right of the collective people.
And do so without resorting to NRA gun nut slogans and Brady OMG! A GUN!!! kneejerk reactions.
And on that day I'm sure I will be ducking low to avoid all the flying pork.
There's no need. The Department of Justice article on the 2nd amendment pretty much clarifies their position on the matter. They have determined that the right to keep and bear arms is a right of the individual. Now, I would assume it means small arms, and not items like nuclear warheads, mortars, towed artillery, rpgs, etc. I know I would be a bit perturbed if my downstairs neighbor accidentally fired a LAW rocket through his ceiling and into my apartment. But that's just me.
UpwardThrust
14-06-2006, 04:50
There's no need. The Department of Justice article on the 2nd amendment pretty much clarifies their position on the matter. They have determined that the right to keep and bear arms is a right of the individual. Now, I would assume it means small arms, and not items like nuclear warheads, mortars, towed artillery, rpgs, etc. I know I would be a bit perturbed if my downstairs neighbor accidentally fired a LAW rocket through his ceiling and into my apartment. But that's just me.
IF there is “no need” for discussion on this topic why are you on the forum? He was not proposing limitations or anything, just glad/hopeful that there could be some interesting reasonable discussion on the topic.
Gun Manufacturers
14-06-2006, 04:51
Paper targets. Gun manufacturers, if you're ever in Tejas give me a ring, I'll let you shoot a REAL infantrymen's weapon. Not a mousegun :D .
What, do you have a Garand or M1A? :D And don't make fun of my poodle shooter.
DesignatedMarksman
14-06-2006, 04:51
I am all for the right to own a gun but sheesh that is a lot of money that is practically worthless.
AT least the money I sink into computers gets used a hundred times over not only making me money but also working as study development platforms
I'll bet you Gun manufacturrers is gonna have an awesome time riding down the street with that on a pintle mount with a towel over his head and "UN" witten on his dirty white toyota pickup :D
Although honestly, those things are a godsend for wiping out large groups of feral hogs. No joke-sprinkle some corn on the ground, wait a few hours, then when they get into the feeding area open up. Works like a charm.
Jwp-serbu
14-06-2006, 04:51
"I am all for the right to own a gun but sheesh that is a lot of money that is practically worthless."
how much is a shit eating grin worth?
like those commercials where people buy stuff and the punch line is priceless
ymmv and i understand the $ but the cost of nfa stuff has risen faster than any other investment i could have made legally
DesignatedMarksman
14-06-2006, 04:53
What, do you have a Garand or M1A? :D And don't make fun of my poodle shooter.
Garand, SKS, 3 AKs (AKs are in the shop getting built)
Hey, go throw you AR in the mud.
And try and fire it.
Or, go behind a burnt out car and hold it over your head and fire it, somali off-hand style. You know you want to
Gun Manufacturers
14-06-2006, 04:54
I'll bet you Gun manufacturrers is gonna have an awesome time riding down the street with that on a pintle mount with a towel over his head and "UN" witten on his dirty white toyota pickup :D
Although honestly, those things are a godsend for wiping out large groups of feral hogs. No joke-sprinkle some corn on the ground, wait a few hours, then when they get into the feeding area open up. Works like a charm.
Nope, no dirty white Toyota pickups here. Now, if you said Charcoal gray Metallic Silverado, you'd be right. And I definitely have to schedule a vacation down in Texas. One question though: Do you need a license for hunting feral hogs?
UpwardThrust
14-06-2006, 04:56
I'll bet you Gun manufacturrers is gonna have an awesome time riding down the street with that on a pintle mount with a towel over his head and "UN" witten on his dirty white toyota pickup :D
Although honestly, those things are a godsend for wiping out large groups of feral hogs. No joke-sprinkle some corn on the ground, wait a few hours, then when they get into the feeding area open up. Works like a charm.
Not many feral hogs in minnesota :p
Jwp-serbu
14-06-2006, 04:58
nice for the garand, ak will work in the mud but a mag of 30 misses doesn't accomplish much either, we seem to be doing ok with m16 platform when the operator can shoot, misses don't help or count
i also have dcm garand, m1as, bunch of ar and bolt 30/22/50 cals - over 300 yds 30 cal wins in real wars though the 50 can do it further than a 30
still comes down to hitting the target - paper or otherwise
DesignatedMarksman
14-06-2006, 04:58
Nope, no dirty white Toyota pickups here. Now, if you said Charcoal gray Metallic Silverado, you'd be right. And I definitely have to schedule a vacation down in Texas. One question though: Do you need a license for hunting feral hogs?
Depends. The Texas DNR seems to oscillate between them being nuisance animals (no license), exotic (exotic license) and normal hunting prey (normal hunt license).
DesignatedMarksman
14-06-2006, 05:01
nice for the garand, ak will work in the mud but a mag of 30 misses doesn't accomplish much either, we seem to be doing ok with m16 platform when the operator can shoot, misses don't help or count
i also have dcm garand, m1as, bunch of ar and bolt 30/22/50 cals - over 300 yds 30 cal wins in real wars though the 50 can do it further than a 30
still comes down to hitting the target - paper or otherwise
AKs are actually more accurate than you give them credit for.
Not many feral hogs in minnesota :p
Okay...Canadians? The corn might not work, so you'll have to be creative...hockey pucks or maple syrup? :p
UpwardThrust
14-06-2006, 05:03
AKs are actually more accurate than you give them credit for.
Okay...Canadians? The corn might not work, so you'll have to be creative...hockey pucks or maple syrup? :p
No way thoes guys and gals are awsome! ... up north with friends that are 19 or 20 and wana drink ... no problem head north of the border
Always a good time
Im a ninja
14-06-2006, 05:04
Okay...Canadians? The corn might not work, so you'll have to be creative...hockey pucks or maple syrup? :p
Haha,eh?
DesignatedMarksman
14-06-2006, 05:09
Haha,eh?
Eh?
Lunatic Goofballs
14-06-2006, 05:20
"T-H-E R-I-G-H-T O-F T-H-E P-E-O-P-L-E"
Thank you. :)
Kecibukia
14-06-2006, 05:28
That would be a very nice change of pace, especially around here. :D
I normally try to remain civil. Upwardthrust asked me a question in a civil way and I answered it civilly. It's when smarmy comments like "who the F**k put you on the Supreme Court" et al from someone who obviously had no clue what they were talking about that I get the urge to bitch slap them.
There's no need. The Department of Justice article on the 2nd amendment pretty much clarifies their position on the matter. They have determined that the right to keep and bear arms is a right of the individual. Now, I would assume it means small arms, and not items like nuclear warheads, mortars, towed artillery, rpgs, etc. I know I would be a bit perturbed if my downstairs neighbor accidentally fired a LAW rocket through his ceiling and into my apartment. But that's just me.
Really? We have something in common then. I'd feel the same way about my neighbor who acidently discharged a pistol and sent a bullet into my house through the back yard and about 5 yards away from my wife.
Personally I do view this right the same as free speech (you can have it, but you can't shout fire in a theater) or to own and drive a car (of course you can, you just must show you actually can do so responcibly).
The problem is whenever this is brought up I either have nuts screaming about the 2nd amendment and keeping the government at bay, or nuts on the other end telling me that responcible ownership isn't enough and we should melt every gun down to make tieclips.
DesignatedMarksman
14-06-2006, 05:31
Thank you. :)
THAT means gov't and National guard, not us sheeple! Get it right!
:rolleyes:
:headbang:
DesignatedMarksman
14-06-2006, 05:32
I normally try to remain civil. Upwardthrust asked me a question in a civil way and I answered it civilly. It's when smarmy comments like "who the F**k put you on the Supreme Court" et al from someone who obviously had no clue what they were talking about that I get the urge to bitch slap them.
[teen girl squad]
Kecibukia'ed!
[teen girl squad]
Im a ninja
14-06-2006, 05:33
THAT means gov't and National guard, not us sheeple! Get it right!
:rolleyes:
:headbang:
Wow, someone named designatedmarksman is against guns? Unless you were being sarcastic, which you were right? Perceptive i am.
Kecibukia
14-06-2006, 05:35
Really? We have something in common then. I'd feel the same way about my neighbor who acidently discharged a pistol and sent a bullet into my house through the back yard and about 5 yards away from my wife.
Personally I do view this right the same as free speech (you can have it, but you can't shout fire in a theater) or to own and drive a car (of course you can, you just must show you actually can do so responcibly).
The problem is whenever this is brought up I either have nuts screaming about the 2nd amendment and keeping the government at bay, or nuts on the other end telling me that responcible ownership isn't enough and we should melt every gun down to make tieclips.
What happened to your neighbor afterwards?
As w/ everything, you'll get your extremist pundits for and against ownership. Unfortunately, they tend to be the loudest. The overwhelming majority of us (and that includes us NS'ers) are fairly reasonable about our beliefs but get very defensive against the "melt 'm all down" crowd. Especially those that say "melt 'm all down except for the all trusting gov't" and then see them attack the current gov't in another thread.
Kecibukia
14-06-2006, 05:38
[teen girl squad]
Kecibukia'ed!
[teen girl squad]
MMMMM!!!!! Teen Girls! MMMMMMM!
DesignatedMarksman
14-06-2006, 05:44
MMMMM!!!!! Teen Girls! MMMMMMM!
[brian regan]
MMM DELECTABLE!
[brian regan]
Seriously, I've had a truck full of semi-naked drunk cheerleaders chase me before.
Im a ninja
14-06-2006, 05:46
[brian regan]
MMM DELECTABLE!
[brian regan]
Seriously, I've had a truck full of semi-naked drunk cheerleaders chase me before.
prbly cuz u look like kaneau reeves.
*wishes he was DM*
Kecibukia
14-06-2006, 05:50
[brian regan]
MMM DELECTABLE!
[brian regan]
Seriously, I've had a truck full of semi-naked drunk cheerleaders chase me before.
Why did they have to chase you? :) For me, my brakes couldn't have stopped me fast enough.
DesignatedMarksman
14-06-2006, 05:53
What happened to your neighbor afterwards?
As w/ everything, you'll get your extremist pundits for and against ownership. Unfortunately, they tend to be the loudest. The overwhelming majority of us (and that includes us NS'ers) are fairly reasonable about our beliefs but get very defensive against the "melt 'm all down" crowd. Especially those that say "melt 'm all down except for the all trusting gov't" and then see them attack the current gov't in another thread.
The time to use them comes when they try and take them away. Molon Labe, I'll post a ton of pics here in a sec on this very idea. The same people who want to take away Citizen's guns are willing to let the Gov't have ALL the power. Pathetic.
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DesignatedMarksman
14-06-2006, 05:57
Why did they have to chase you? :) For me, my brakes couldn't have stopped me fast enough.
I dunno, I always like playing hard to get.
And no, I did not get laid. I'm not taking sloppy seconds when I could get first rate from my wife (someday).
In my own words.."Hit it like the fist of an angry god man, repeatedly" (words of advice to a newly married man)
DesignatedMarksman
14-06-2006, 07:02
prbly cuz u look like kaneau reeves.
*wishes he was DM*
That's a first time.....ever....
I spend all day in the sun and now I look like a mexican keanu reaves...:eek:
:D
What happened to your neighbor afterwards?
Thankfully it didn't happen to me. It happened to the other neighbor. The story, as we found out later, was that the ower was attempting to clean their gun and it went off. Said owner didn't actually know what he was doing (such as treat every weapon as loaded, check, check again, then check a third time to make sure nothing is in the chamber).
But that's what I mean about the balance. I respect a person's right to own a gun. I dn't understand the need to own the biggest, baddest gun on the market (but then again I doubt you understand my need to own a lightsaber either ;) ). However, balanced with that is the public's right to know owners of said guns know what the hell they are doing and can be punished for negligence.
I really do view it as a car situation. I would like to actually have a good discussion about that, but... well... mentioning guns on NS General is like... like... mentioning gay marriage on NS General. ;)
Jwp-serbu
14-06-2006, 10:38
well in the us there are over 20,000 gun control laws, state and federal, the manufacturers are controlled by a [wacko in some cases - prime example is a 14" piece of string has been declared a "machinegun"]] .gov organization batfe that also rules who can sell firearms and who can buy them.
cars are more fortunate, and while some 58k killed a year raises little concern by cars, any firearms deaths are trumpeted by the biased media as "needing more laws for gun control"
dangerous weapon, usefull tool applies to both
i still say my firearms have killed fewer people than teddy kennedy's [the ass] car
So, I've finally become a firearms owner. I am now the proud owner of an AR-15, which will hopefully serve me well in eliminating the unruly hordes of paper targets that threaten to take over the world. It is a keyhole marked A2 upper, 16" Wilson post ban barrel, A2 fixed stock, and a RRA lower reciever. I would have gone with the 20" barrel, but the place I ordered from was out of stock.
Anyways, enough with the talk, here's a pic:
Great!
More people with guns is a great thing.
How much has it set you back?
well in the us there are over 20,000 gun control laws, state and federal, the manufacturers are controlled by a [wacko in some cases - prime example is a 14" piece of string has been declared a "machinegun"]] .gov organization batfe that also rules who can sell firearms and who can buy them.
cars are more fortunate, and while some 58k killed a year raises little concern by cars, any firearms deaths are trumpeted by the biased media as "needing more laws for gun control"
dangerous weapon, usefull tool applies to both
i still say my firearms have killed fewer people than teddy kennedy's [the ass] car
And here we have exhibit A for the gun nuts.
I think the small penis comment is A for the oposition.
Ultraextreme Sanity
14-06-2006, 14:24
I can't have an AK in 7.62x39mm in CT. I can have it in any other caliber, though (makes no sense, but unfortunately, I don't make the laws).
I could've gone with the pencil barrel from the Vietnam era M16A1, but it's threaded and has a flash hider, so the only way I've be able to have one is if I owned a pre-ban AR lower, have the flash hider removed and the threads cut off, or if I replace the flash hider with a muzzle brake and permanently attach it to the end of the barrel (permanently covering the threads).
You can move to a state with better gun laws ...like PA. Or vote for candidates that actually reflect your own views on gun laws...like really ...an AK is different from a Mini 14 it what way ? Aside the fact its made to rattle arounf a bit ? And the 308 ( 7.62 ) nato round is different in what way when fired from another weapon of that ( AK ) type ?..
Gun Manufacturers
14-06-2006, 18:32
Great!
More people with guns is a great thing.
How much has it set you back?
After tax for the lower, and after shipping for the upper, it cost me about $690 (the ten magazines I have cost me an additional $100). I could have tried to go cheaper by buying some used parts, but I didn't have o worry about how many rounds went down the barrel before I had it.
Gun Manufacturers
14-06-2006, 18:41
You can move to a state with better gun laws ...like PA. Or vote for candidates that actually reflect your own views on gun laws...like really ...an AK is different from a Mini 14 it what way ? Aside the fact its made to rattle arounf a bit ? And the 308 ( 7.62 ) nato round is different in what way when fired from another weapon of that ( AK ) type ?..
Well, I'd love to move to a state like Nevada or Texas, but I have things to take care of here in CT before I can. Another benefit of moving to one of those 2 states is, I won't have to worry about slipping and falling on ice in the winter (I've injured my knee this way 3 times in 5 years).
One clarification on your statement though. The Mini 14 fires .223, it's the Mini 30 that fires the 7.62x39mm round. And there's no difference between a bullet fired from a Mini 30 and one fired from an AK47. It's just that the AK47 looks "evil" compared to the Mini 30 (the whole point of the useless AWB in CT is to get the "evil" looking guns off the streets).
Barbaric Tribes
14-06-2006, 18:41
without guns humans would be nothing!
Lunatic Goofballs
14-06-2006, 18:44
Well, I'd love to move to a state like Nevada or Texas, but I have things to take care of here in CT before I can. Another benefit of moving to one of those 2 states is, I won't have to worry about slipping and falling on ice in the winter (I've injured my knee this way 3 times in 5 years).
One clarification on your statement though. The Mini 14 fires .223, it's the Mini 30 that fires the 7.62x39mm round. And there's no difference between a bullet fired from a Mini 30 and one fired from an AK47. It's just that the AK47 looks "evil" compared to the Mini 30 (the whole point of the useless AWB in CT is to get the "evil" looking guns off the streets).
So the answer to gun control is obvious: We should make all guns look like cute and fuzzy bunnies. :)
Hydesland
14-06-2006, 18:44
I have a slingshot.
Kecibukia
14-06-2006, 18:45
I have a slingshot.
I'm sure that will be banned soon too. :)
Barbaric Tribes
14-06-2006, 18:45
I think the fact is, people who hate guns and want them gone are simply putting way way way to much trust in the government and the police. History has shown time and again that this is a bad idea, the wierd thing is, Liberals tend to want guns gone more than anything, Liberals also hate the Bush adminstration and call it facist, well what would be more facist than taking people's ability to defend themselves from the government?
By the way, im niether liberal nor conservative.
So, I've finally become a firearms owner. I am now the proud owner of an AR-15, which will hopefully serve me well in eliminating the unruly hordes of paper targets that threaten to take over the world. It is a keyhole marked A2 upper, 16" Wilson post ban barrel, A2 fixed stock, and a RRA lower reciever. I would have gone with the 20" barrel, but the place I ordered from was out of stock.
Anyways, enough with the talk, here's a pic: http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/3190/p11600022ht.jpg
Keep it under your pillow when you're sleeping... The Communist hordes will give no warning.
Kecibukia
14-06-2006, 18:52
Keep it under your pillow when you're sleeping... The Communist hordes will give no warning.
You're behind the times. It's Islamic hordes now.
Gun Manufacturers
14-06-2006, 18:57
Keep it under your pillow when you're sleeping... The Communist hordes will give no warning.
Yeah, like I don't have enough problems right now getting a good nights sleep. :(
Dinaverg
14-06-2006, 19:00
So the answer to gun control is obvious: We should make all guns look like cute and fuzzy bunnies. :)
Bwahaha...I shall lay out the designs!
Yeah, like I don't have enough problems right now getting a good nights sleep. :(
I thought that was the whole point of owning guns, being able to sleep without worrying about the communist muslims . :confused:
Hydesland
14-06-2006, 19:05
I thought that was the whole point of owning guns, being able to sleep without worrying about the communist muslims . :confused:
Lol, "communist muslims".
Lunatic Goofballs
14-06-2006, 19:08
Bwahaha...I shall lay out the designs!
Not many street thugs would whip a bunny out of their pants and start shooting people. :)
Gun Manufacturers
14-06-2006, 19:13
I thought that was the whole point of owning guns, being able to sleep without worrying about the communist muslims . :confused:
Worrying isn't the problem. My problem is a crappy mattress and an air conditioner that brings my room to about 60 degrees, no matter where on the thermostat I set it (and I can't leave it off, or it gets really stuffy in my room).
Dinaverg
14-06-2006, 19:14
Not many street thugs would whip a bunny out of their pants and start shooting people. :)
"Look kids, witness the magic of the internet. The creation of another euphamism for 'penis'"
Lunatic Goofballs
14-06-2006, 19:17
"Look kids, witness the magic of the internet. The creation of another euphamism for 'penis'"
Fear my bunny! :D
Worrying isn't the problem. My problem is a crappy mattress and an air conditioner that brings my room to about 60 degrees, no matter where on the thermostat I set it (and I can't leave it off, or it gets really stuffy in my room).
Because of communist muslims, right?
Hydesland
14-06-2006, 19:20
Because of communist muslims, right?
Sigged! (For a short period of time)
Sigged! (For a short period of time)
Eh? Whats sigged?
Hydesland
14-06-2006, 19:25
Eh? Whats sigged?
Tis in my signiture, you have to go to settings blah blah blah to be able to see it.
Tis in my signiture, you have to go to settings blah blah blah to be able to see it.
Cool. I'm too lazy for settings blah blah though...
Verve Pipe
14-06-2006, 19:30
History has shown time and again that this is a bad idea, the wierd thing is, Liberals tend to want guns gone more than anything, Liberals also hate the Bush adminstration and call it facist, well what would be more facist than taking people's ability to defend themselves from the government?
By the way, im niether liberal nor conservative.
Liberals want this, liberals want that. There's nothing more that I'm sick of than people classifying "liberals" as a separate species of human being who all think and behave the exact same way, without any variance in opinion between them.
Wallonochia
14-06-2006, 20:11
Okay...Canadians? The corn might not work, so you'll have to be creative...hockey pucks or maple syrup? :p
You'd attract just as many Minnesotans as you would Canadians with that. I'd suggest using poutine. ;)
I always find it rather interesting how some other cultures attach so much stigma to guns.
Anyway, here's all of the justification I need to own a gun.
Every man shall have the right to keep and bear arms in defense of himself and the state.
Liberals want this, liberals want that. There's nothing more that I'm sick of than people classifying "liberals" as a separate species of human being who all think and behave the exact same way, without any variance in opinion between them.
Agreed. It is rather silly.
Ultraextreme Sanity
14-06-2006, 22:40
Well, I'd love to move to a state like Nevada or Texas, but I have things to take care of here in CT before I can. Another benefit of moving to one of those 2 states is, I won't have to worry about slipping and falling on ice in the winter (I've injured my knee this way 3 times in 5 years).
One clarification on your statement though. The Mini 14 fires .223, it's the Mini 30 that fires the 7.62x39mm round. And there's no difference between a bullet fired from a Mini 30 and one fired from an AK47. It's just that the AK47 looks "evil" compared to the Mini 30 (the whole point of the useless AWB in CT is to get the "evil" looking guns off the streets).
Evil looking guns must kill better or work differently ?:D Do you realise how stupid that sounds ? ...Well I kind of guess you do if you know the difference between Rugers...is that the LOGIC they used ? A good 12 guage is all a criminal needs for anything...exactly how many crimes in CT are commited with " assualt" type weapons ...two ? None ...one ?:D :D :D :D
Its like Phila....tons of crimes commited with cheap ...and expensive handguns...shotguns ..knives ...baseball bats...etc...NONE ... (murders.assaults ).so far..with an " assault type weapon .
We have no ban of that type...so I guess our non law is working as well as the law you have...
Gun Manufacturers
15-06-2006, 05:17
Evil looking guns must kill better or work differently ?:D Do you realise how stupid that sounds ? ...Well I kind of guess you do if you know the difference between Rugers...is that the LOGIC they used ? A good 12 guage is all a criminal needs for anything...exactly how many crimes in CT are commited with " assualt" type weapons ...two ? None ...one ?:D :D :D :D
Its like Phila....tons of crimes commited with cheap ...and expensive handguns...shotguns ..knives ...baseball bats...etc...NONE ... (murders.assaults ).so far..with an " assault type weapon .
We have no ban of that type...so I guess our non law is working as well as the law you have...
From what I've gathered, it's about the same in CT as in Phila. And yes, our AWB is about as effective on crime as your non law. It's funny how it works out like that.
The Taker
16-06-2006, 01:06
I have to give you credit. It's not every man who would proudly proclaim on a message board that he has a two-inch penis.
I have a small penis and lots of guns.
And when my house gets broken into and my family threatened, which one do you think I am going to whip out?
I have a small penis and lots of guns.
And when my house gets broken into and my family threatened, which one do you think I am going to whip out?
Both.