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Music Video About Marine Sparks Anger
Jun 13 1:58 PM US/Eastern

By LOLITA C. BALDOR
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON

A music video posted to the Internet, telling a tale about a U.S. Marine killing members of an Iraqi family, is being condemned by an Islamic group and investigated by the Marine Corps.

The four-minute video, called "Hadji Girl," appears to be sung by a Marine in front of a cheering audience. The lyrics talk about the Marine gunning down members of an Iraqi woman's family after they confront him with automatic weapons.

Lt. Col. Scott Fazekas, a spokesman for the Marines, said Tuesday that the Marines were aware of a video posted on the Internet that "purports to show a Marine singing an insensitive song about Iraqis." Fazekas said officials don't know the identity of the singer or whether he is in the military.

The song was "inappropriate and contrary to the high standards expected of all Marines," Fazekas said. He said Marine officers are looking into the matter.

Nihad Awad, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said that in light of recent allegations of atrocities committed by Marines in Haditha and other towns in Iraq, the video should be investigated by the Pentagon and Congress.

"The inappropriate actions of a few individuals should not be allowed to tarnish the reputation of all American military personnel," said Awad.

The video was posted anonymously on the http://www.youtube.com Web site, but was removed. It is still available on CAIR's web site. A Hadji is a pilgrim who journeys to Mecca, but CAIR said the word has often been used as a disparaging term by U.S. troops in Iraq.

"The video is not reflective of the tremendous sacrifices and dedication demonstrated, on a daily basis, by tens of thousands of Marines who have assisted the Iraqi people in gaining their freedom," Fazekas said. "We agree with the executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations that the inappropriate actions of a few individuals should not tarnish the reputation of all American military personnel."

The singer is shown playing a guitar and singing about meeting an Iraqi woman and then being confronted by her brother and father, who have guns. The lyrics describe the Marine pulling the woman's little sister in front of him and watching blood spray from her head.

He then sings about blowing the father and brother "to eternity."

Defense officials are investigating allegations that U.S. Marines massacred as many as two dozen unarmed civilians in Haditha last November. Another probe is under way into charges that U.S. troops pulled an unarmed Iraqi man from his home in Hamandiya in late April and shot him to death without provocation.

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Defense Department: http://www.defenselink.mil

CAIR: http://www.cair-net.org/default.asp

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http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/13/D8I7FPPO0.html

I've seen the video. Haven't seen how it's offensive.

I've seen the video. Haven't seen how it's offensive.

I tried posting it yesterday, but since it was flagged as 18+ material on YouTube, my thread was deleted. :headbang:

I guess instead of a direct link, I can just tell those who want to see it to go to YouTube and search "Hadji Girl" ;)

Ay...the lines from "Team America" in that song...and the idiots laughing and clapping in the background...how the hell do you laugh at something like that? That's sick...no matter who the hell you're singing about.

And DK...if you don't, that speaks volumes about you.

I've seen the video. Haven't seen how it's offensive.
CAIR said it's offensive, so that must mean it doesn't show Islam as the greatest religion on earth and promote Sharia.

What I'm wondering is why the thread title has " " around Anti-Muslim.

Are you saying it's not offensive to Muslims?

It's a song about an extremely volatile and contraversial situation, which also describes killing, and using a child as a human shield, to the thunderous applause and laughter of others. Imagine the same theme, but sung about a cop going into a black ghetto. You'd get the same kind of flack, and for good reason.

CAIR said it's offensive, so that must mean it doesn't show Islam as the greatest religion on earth and promote Sharia.
I wonder if the know about NSG.....?

To me, this song is just as creepy as a song cheerfully describing a rape.

Ay...the lines from "Team America" in that song...and the idiots laughing and clapping in the background...how the hell do you laugh at something like that? That's sick...no matter who the hell you're singing about.

And DK...if you don't, that speaks volumes about you.
Team America was a funny movie. If you can't laugh about that, you have no sense of humor.

Welcome to the world of free speech.

Something radical Islam is none to fond of as it is.

Face it there is no law against poor taste or people cheering for violance. But a law against whining might be in order.

Edit: Oh and we all know Hadji, the cool guy in Johnny Quest. Watch some cartoons and chill.:D

I wonder if the know about NSG.....?
If they did we would all have lawsuits on our hands.

Team America was a funny movie. If you can't laugh about that, you have no sense of humor.

Puppets on strings vs. glorifying child human shields

Hmmm. Yes, I see the comedic parallel.

To me, this song is just as creepy as a song cheerfully describing a rape.
Agreed.

Puppets on strings vs. glorifying child human shields

Hmmm. Yes, I see the comedic parallel.

It's called free speech.

One of our American pastimes. Something that Muslims want to put an end to.

Muslims act like fucking spoiled brats! "buuuuu, momma, he is rude to me, buuuuu..." and some people want them in EU....

Rap is offensive and contains loads of discriminatory lyrics. No one bans it, no one considers it offensive. Other music genres are prone to this too. So why is this even shocking?

It's called free speech.

One of our American pastimes. Something that Muslims want to put an end to.

Hey, if you think its smart to grossly insult the people you are there to free, then you deserve every IED that hits you from your own stupidity.

*shrug*

It's called free speech.

Oh, that thing that all military servicemen have at all times?

Rap is offensive and contains loads of discriminatory lyrics. No one bans it, no one considers it offensive. Other music genres are prone to this too. So why is this even shocking?
Lots of people find rap offensive. Just not enough for anyone to do anything about it. That and the military has government backing, rap doesn't.

Lots of people find rap offensive. Just not enough for anyone to do anything about it. That and the military has government backing, rap doesn't.
Do you think even if they found it offensive they would have the power to censor it? Not very freedom of speech compliant. The best way to crush it would be to not buy it to begin with. As for the military being government backed, doesn't it too enjoy freedom of speech?

Hey, if you think its smart to grossly insult the people you are there to free, then you deserve every IED that hits you from your own stupidity.

*shrug*

I think Muslims are upset because they believe that people in the US live in a world where they are taught what to say, sing, and think from the government.

Unfortunately, we get a lot of stuff from Comedy Central, and not the government. Not saying it's smart to sing that kind of thing in public, but it's likely that the soldier in question intended the immediate group of soldiers to be his audience.

A lot of Muslims were upset about a cartoon of Mohammed. Millions upon millions upset.

Too bad. It's called "free speech". If you would like to remove "free speech" from the various Constitutions of Western nations in order to placate Muslims, you're more of a Quisling than I thought.

Besides, the people who put IEDs on the road will put them there, even if we convert to Islam.

Oh, that thing that all military servicemen have at all times?

You know the odds that is really someone even in the military are zip. Do the math.

Lots of people find rap offensive. Just not enough for anyone to do anything about it. That and the military has government backing, rap doesn't.
This song was not produced, written by, or paid for by official military action or orders. It was privately written by a soldier, who was not paid for singing or writing it.

What part of "free speech" do you not understand?

Team America was a funny movie. If you can't laugh about that, you have no sense of humor.
That's the only part I did find funny.

It didn't negate the impact of the rest of the song.

I think Muslims are upset because they believe that people in the US live in a world where they are taught what to say, sing, and think from the government.

I think Muslims/Iraqis are more upset that given the recent potential wholesale slaughter in Haditha, the incredible stupidity of members of the military continue to put out this sort of shit.

"Hey, why are these fuckin' sand niggers pissed off at us? Don't these ragheads and camel humpers know we're here to free 'em? Where are these hadjis sense of goddam humour?"

. Not saying it's smart to sing that kind of thing in public, but it's likely that the soldier in question intended the immediate group of soldiers to be his audience.
Hello Soldier. Welcome to the world of highspeed communication. Like if you give your buddies a homemade porno. it will find its way onto the internet ASAP. Likewise, this.

Stupidity.


A lot of Muslims were upset about a cartoon of Mohammed. Millions upon millions upset.
Really? Hadn't noticed.


Too bad. It's called "free speech". If you would like to remove "free speech" from the various Constitutions of Western nations in order to placate Muslims, you're more of a Quisling than I thought.
Odd, I didn't think the military had free speech....

Besides, the people who put IEDs on the road will put them there, even if we convert to Islam.

Correct. Except now you have fed their flames. Kudos.

What I'm wondering is why the thread title has " " around Anti-Muslim.

Are you saying it's not offensive to Muslims?

It might very well offend people who happen to be Muslims, but I don't think it's anti-muslim. It's a silly song about a very serious matter, which is a common form of humor. It doesn't say "ISLAM IS A BAD RELIGION! LET'S BURN SOME MOSQUES!" That's anti-muslim. This is a comical (to some) song about falling in love, with an Iraq Occupation twist.

It's called free speech.

One of our American pastimes. Something that Muslims want to put an end to.
I'm not calling for there to be legal action, despite your usual knee-jerk reaction that any disapproval must = 'make it illegal'.

But the song is in poor taste, and deserves a shit-storm of disapproval. This marine (if he actually is one) should also be held accountable for the song. Surely there are codes of conduct he needs to live up to, and that should be examined.

I think Muslims/Iraqis are more upset that given the recent potential wholesale slaughter in Haditha, the incredible stupidity of members of the military continue to put out this sort of shit.

"Hey, why are these fuckin' sand niggers pissed off at us? Don't these ragheads and camel humpers know we're here to free 'em? Where are these hadjis sense of goddam humour?"


Hello Soldier. Welcome to the world of highspeed communication. Like if you give your buddies a homemade porno. it will find its way onto the internet ASAP. Likewise, this.

Stupidity.


Really? Hadn't noticed.


Odd, I didn't think the military had free speech....

Correct. Except now you have fed their flames. Kudos.

Don't forget I thought it was stupid.

But still free speech.

I'm not calling for there to be legal action, despite your usual knee-jerk reaction that any disapproval must = 'make it illegal'.

But the song is in poor taste, and deserves a shit-storm of disapproval. This marine (if he actually is one) should also be held accountable for the song. Surely there are codes of conduct he needs to live up to, and that should be examined.
He's not an officer, nor a non-commissioned officer, so he's practically off the hook as codes of conduct are concerned.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/justicelawlegislation/a/codeofconduct1.htm

Correct. Except now you have fed their flames. Kudos.

You do realize they search for reasons to be inflamed, we don't have to give them any. Just our existance alone inflames them, the rest is media fodder for the simple minded.

Rap is offensive and contains loads of discriminatory lyrics. No one bans it, no one considers it offensive. Other music genres are prone to this too. So why is this even shocking?
From the article:

The song was "inappropriate and contrary to the high standards expected of all Marines," Fazekas said. He said Marine officers are looking into the matter.

It isn't about banning it. It's about the offensive nature of the song, and dealing with it. Just like, when eminem puts out another misogynist song, some people applaud, and others boo.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

He's not an officer, nor a non-commissioned officer, so he's practically off the hook as codes of conduct are concerned.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/justicelawlegislation/a/codeofconduct1.htm
Well, he certainly isn't immune to the public outrage this song evokes. That's another part of free speech.

Ay...the lines from "Team America" in that song...and the idiots laughing and clapping in the background...how the hell do you laugh at something like that? That's sick...no matter who the hell you're singing about.
Get a sense of humor. I don’t see how you can take this song seriously at all. It’s a joke. I am in no way in favor of the Iraqi war, or any war for that matter, but I can still laugh at this because no one is really getting hurt.

God, people need to lighten up.

This song was not produced, written by, or paid for by official military action or orders. It was privately written by a soldier, who was not paid for singing or writing it.

What part of "free speech" do you not understand?

I don't understand why you think a soldier has free speech. The military can and does censor his private letters which were not produced, written by, or paid for by official military action or orders.

Wishful thinking?

Well, he certainly isn't immune to the public outrage this song evokes. That's another part of free speech.
Somehow, I really doubt many people will even bother expressing their outrage at him. I don't think this would seem very inflammatory to an average Joe American.

Get a sense of humor. I don’t see how you can take this song seriously at all. It’s a joke. I am in no way in favor of the Iraqi war, or any war for that matter, but I can still laugh at this because no one is really getting hurt.

God, people need to lighten up.
What an incredible statement to make. Oh, I know, you mean that the song isn't hurting anyone, but the irony...oh the irony...

No, I won't lighten up. As I said, I find this song as chilling as one cheerfully describing a rape. Imagine a song happily describing people dying in the WTC...all fun and games, no offense meant, ha ha.

This song is offensive, and deserves all the controversy it gets, all the negative attention, and all the outrage.

No, I won't lighten up. As I said, I find this song as chilling as one cheerfully describing a rape. Imagine a song happily describing people dying in the WTC...all fun and games, no offense meant, ha ha.


There's a slight difference. The people at the World Trade Center never hurt anyone. The Iraqis in the song were armed and firing at a Marine, who, as described, had his gun unloaded until he was attacked.

Somehow, I really doubt many people will even bother expressing their outrage at him. I don't think this would seem very inflammatory to an average Joe American.
Oh come on. They aren't all behind the war, and even the ones that are aren't going to revel in a song describing blood spraying from between the eyes of a young girl.

There's a slight difference. The people at the World Trade Center never hurt anyone. The Iraqis in the song were armed and firing at a Marine, who, as described, had his gun unloaded until he was attacked.
OH! NOW I get it, oh that is just so amusing...ha ha ha. :rolleyes:

Oh come on. They aren't all behind the war, and even the ones that are aren't going to revel in a song describing blood spraying from between the eyes of a young girl.

Of course, especially when they can watch it simulated in their video games. :D

Oh come on. They aren't all behind the war, and even the ones that are aren't going to revel in a song describing blood spraying from between the eyes of a young girl.
I don't see them as pretty much of an active bunch though, so again I doubt too many will take issue with this. Violence is well integrated in their culture. The author is obviously an idiot, whatever the case may be.

What an incredible statement to make. Oh, I know, you mean that the song isn't hurting anyone, but the irony...oh the irony...

No, I won't lighten up. As I said, I find this song as chilling as one cheerfully describing a rape. Imagine a song happily describing people dying in the WTC...all fun and games, no offense meant, ha ha.

This song is offensive, and deserves all the controversy it gets, all the negative attention, and all the outrage.

Who cares who is offended. It is a choice people make, whether to be offended or not about anything. I choose to be offended because Muslims around the world danced in the streets the day of 9/11. My choice, simple as that. If people want to be offended by anything they will.

Get off your high horse and stop being offended that people AREN'T offended by the song. Find something important to rant about.

Well unfortunately, no one is proving you wrong in this thread, Europa.

Who cares who is offended. It is a choice people make, whether to be offended or not about anything. I choose to be offended because Muslims around the world danced in the streets the day of 9/11. My choice, simple as that. If people want to be offended by anything they will.

Get off your high horse and stop being offended that people AREN'T offended by the song. Find something important to rant about.
Hmmm, you might try the same, if you find this so unimportant a topic.

As for 'who cares who is offended', that's a fine ideal...but the fact is that people are, and there will be consequences. That's a fact of life. Choose to be an ass, and deal with the repercussions. I for one, hope they entail having this particular songster reviled in public.

It is also a choice to BE offensive.

Well unfortunately, no one is proving you wrong in this thread, Europa.
And this is NS, where most of the posters are at least somewhat above the average Joe (although there are exceptions).

I love your army.

What an incredible statement to make. Oh, I know, you mean that the song isn't hurting anyone, but the irony...oh the irony...
Yeah, Iraq sucks and that's partly due to the actions of misogynistic he-man marines.
No, I won't lighten up. As I said, I find this song as chilling as one cheerfully describing a rape. Imagine a song happily describing people dying in the WTC...all fun and games, no offense meant, ha ha.

I'd laugh at both of those songs just because of the absurdity, as long as nobody is really getting hurt.
This song is offensive, and deserves all the controversy it gets, all the negative attention, and all the outrage.
Offensive=hilarious
I mean fuck. You're acting just as unreadable as those Christians who boycott shit over sexually explicit material.

Hmmm, you might try the same, if you find this so unimportant a topic.

As for 'who cares who is offended', that's a fine ideal...but the fact is that people are, and there will be consequences. That's a fact of life. Choose to be an ass, and deal with the repercussions. I for one, hope they entail having this particular songster reviled in public.

I have gotten nothing from this topic but shits and giggles at all who rant about how the world should be offended and all the repercussions that should land on the poor slob who made the video. I personally got the same s&g from all the idiots wailing about the Mohammed cartoons, Koran pages used as toilet paper etc etc.

If the world is going to run around in a state of "offended" all the time over music, literature, cartoons and the like, they are going to and there is nothing that is going to change that.

But certainly not for one instant think that it will change free speech. It is something we all value (those of us that have it) and will die fighting for it. Sure that means we have to endure the tasteless and stupid and whining, but the perks are worth it.

I love your army.

That's not a soldier, that's a Marine. About six weeks of training and 20 points of IQ in difference.* :cool:

*Edit: for those who don't get it, it's a common joke in the United States armed forces that Marines generally aren't the brightest bulbs on the bunch.

If the world is going to run around in a state of "offended" all the time over music, literature, cartoons and the like, they are going to and there is nothing that is going to change that.
People would need to grow thicker skin, then.

But certainly not for one instant think that it will change free speech. It is something we all value (those of us that have it) and will die fighting for it. Sure that means we have to endure the tasteless and stupid and whining, but the perks are worth it.
Agreed.

That's not a soldier, that's a Marine. About six weeks of training and 20 points of IQ in difference.* :cool:

*Edit: for those who don't get it, it's a common joke in the United States armed forces that Marines generally aren't the brightest bulbs on the bunch.

:) Even they laugh about it. My dad was Army, my brother Marines. My brother used to say "The few, the illiterate, the Marines".

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't members of the US armed forces banned from attending controversial events as members of the armed forces under the UCMJ?

Welcome to the world of free speech.

Something radical Islam is none to fond of as it is.

Free speech doesn't apply in the military.

1. keep in mind the kind of mentality they have to keep. They are there to kill Insurgents, who happen to be iraqis. They are the enemy. This is just like propaganda, like the cartoons about hitler and the japanesse in WWII. They have to keep an anti-Iraqi mentality, or it suddnely becomes harder to kill them, and then they kill you. The foot soldiers cant really be blamed. sure it was offenisve, but war is offensive.

And these are the same people who got upset over a few cartoons.

1. keep in mind the kind of mentality they have to keep. They are there to kill Insurgents, who happen to be iraqis. They are the enemy. This is just like propaganda, like the cartoons about hitler and the japanesse in WWII. They have to keep an anti-Iraqi mentality, or it suddnely becomes harder to kill them, and then they kill you. The foot soldiers cant really be blamed. sure it was offenisve, but war is offensive.

And these are the same people who got upset over a few cartoons.

Odd.

I thought they were 'liberators'.

Odd.

I thought they were 'liberators'.
I dont care what bush says. (Right now)Thier job is to keep Iraq secure. The accomplish that by killing/capturing those who make it unstable. [Dont say, hey! the marines are making it unstable!]

The "insurgents" are patriots, fighting for their country that we are attempting to invade.
*burns bible on the American flag*
lol!!! don't be offended!!!

I dont care what bush says. (Right now)Thier job is to keep Iraq secure. The accomplish that by killing/capturing those who make it unstable. [Dont say, hey! the marines are making it unstable!]

Like, yeah! Lets piss off the people we're trying to protect!

*high fives all round*

Like, yeah! Lets piss off the people we're trying to protect!

*high fives all round*
Hey, its better than bombing them like the insurgetns do. yea, Haditha was bad, but the bombs against Iraqi civillians are worse.

The "insurgents" are patriots, fighting for their country that we are attempting to invade.
*burns bible on the American flag*
lol!!! don't be offended!!!
They fight for thier country by killing the people they are suposdly fighting for. Im no fan of the war, but im not a fan of the insurgents.

Hey, its better than bombing them like the insurgetns do. yea, Haditha was bad, but the bombs against Iraqi civillians are worse.

"Yeah, I mean we're not as bad as the terrorists right?"

What high standards you're setting for your troops.

"Yeah, I mean we're not as bad as the terrorists right?"

What high standards you're setting for your troops.
and your point is.....

and your point is.....
...clearly a mile above your head.

...clearly a mile above your head.
well, then i wont bother thinking about it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5077858.stm

New article from BBC.

Kind of biased - the song isn't about killing Iraqi civillians, and they completely left out the circumstances in which the Marine in the song was in.

Anyone else think this will be the next "Mohammad Cartoon?"

I've seen the video. Haven't seen how it's offensive.
And this sadly doesn't strike me as odd.

Kind of biased - the song isn't about killing Iraqi civillians, and they completely left out the circumstances in which the Marine in the song was in.
Plot in a porno - it's still about fucking.

I've seen the video. Haven't seen how it's offensive.
It doesn't refer to Islam as a "Religon of Peace".

I saw the video. For Western standards, it isn't offensive at all. However, the Marines have to make a show of disciplining this person to keep their PR up.

What you have to keep in mind is Islamic culture, and current Islamic sentiment toward the West. To begin, jokes like this just aren't as funny to them. One of the most offensive parts of it to Muslims in the song wouldn't be the killing, but the fact that the soldier (an infidel) was with a Muslim woman. That crosses the line, in Islamic culture.

And, current sentiment is not good to say the least. Extremist Islam, and even "moderate" Islamic people in the Middle East, are looking for an excuse to blame things on the West. Things like this just fuel the fires that already exist. The Muhammad cartoons weren't that offensive, for example. Yet, they were blown out of preportion and used as a political propaganda tool by Middle Eastern Islam, where it is far, far more extreme.

It's a song about an extremely volatile and contraversial situation, which also describes killing, and using a child as a human shield, to the thunderous applause and laughter of others. Imagine the same theme, but sung about a cop going into a black ghetto. You'd get the same kind of flack, and for good reason.
You mean like the song "Cop Killa'" Last I saw Ice-T had a well paying job playing a detective on TV. Freedom won, not for lack of trying from both sides of the aisle. People can bitch about it all they want. Have an incredulous pity us parade, have a big freedome cake at a sactioned Title IX sporting event. But leave the people who made and promoted the video alone. When they start actually gunning people down, then start making trouble for them.

To say nothing of the long tradition of "murder ballads." If the well excersised freedom of other individuals is too much for some people, there's always emigratting to a ruthless dictatorship where that's not so heavy a burden.

Hey, if you think its smart to grossly insult the people you are there to free, then you deserve every IED that hits you from your own stupidity.

*shrug*

*shrug*
yes,offensive lyrics is grounds for murder and maiming someone with an ied?

fantastic logic you have there!

well i hate rap music,so following your line of reasoning,i guess i get to plant ied's all around the inner city now..woohooo!

it offends me when i'm called cracker..etc...so what if my ill placed ieds not only kill the offending rapper(which is ok with you..right?)but happens to kill inocents also..oh well,whats good for the goose..no?

wanna bet they have plenty of insulting arabic songs about white americans,black americans and euros?

again,according to your logic,that justifies us using ieds against them as well..round and round we go...get a grip please!:headbang:

*shrug*
yes,offensive lyrics is grounds for murder and maiming someone with an ied?

fantastic logic you have there!

well i hate rap music,so following your line of reasoning,i guess i get to plant ied's all around the inner city now..woohooo!

it offends me when i'm called cracker..etc...so what if my ill placed ieds not only kill the offending rapper(which is ok with you..right?)but happens to kill inocents also..oh well,whats good for the goose..no?

wanna bet they have plenty of insulting arabic songs about white americans,black americans and euros?

again,according to your logic,that justifies us using ieds against them as well..round and round we go...get a grip please!:headbang:

Their own stupidity is now getting others killed. They are supposed to be there to help, yet when Iraqis see this, what do you think their response will be?

"Oh, how quaint. After 3 horrid years of insecurity, electricity shortages, inflation and burgeoning sectarian violence- the friendly fellows who are supposed to be helping us.... sing about using our children as human shields, and laughing about our children then having their brains splattered over their shoes and call us rascist and insulting names..."

Like I said. The next sniper, IED or car bombing that hits US military personnel, you can trace it back to the countining idiocy of individuals such as this fellow. They have no one to blame but themselves anymore.

Their own stupidity is now getting others killed. They are supposed to be there to help, yet when Iraqis see this, what do you think their response will be?

"Oh, how quaint. After 3 horrid years of insecurity, electricity shortages, inflation and burgeoning sectarian violence- the friendly fellows who are supposed to be helping us.... sing about using our children as human shields, and laughing about our children then having their brains splattered over their shoes and call us rascist and insulting names..."

Like I said. The next sniper, IED or car bombing that hits US military personnel, you can trace it back to the countining idiocy of individuals such as this fellow. They have no one to blame but themselves anymore.

Or maybe you can trace it back to the fact that the insurgents will hate us no matter what.

Or maybe you can trace it back to the fact that the insurgents will hate us no matter what.

Or the whole, you know, occupation thing.

Or the whole, you know, occupation thing.

We'd be mostly out of Iraq (and probably in Iran) if they'd stop blowing up our troops and let us focus on rebuilding the damn country.

We'd be mostly out of Iraq (and probably in Iran) if they'd stop blowing up our troops and let us focus on rebuilding the damn country.

The bastards. Fighting against an occupation. Tsk tsk. When will they ever learn to embrace FREEDOM!

I think the the sadest part is that I was laughing at it intill that whole child killing part.:(

Their own stupidity is now getting others killed. They are supposed to be there to help, yet when Iraqis see this, what do you think their response will be?

"Oh, how quaint. After 3 horrid years of insecurity, electricity shortages, inflation and burgeoning sectarian violence- the friendly fellows who are supposed to be helping us.... sing about using our children as human shields, and laughing about our children then having their brains splattered over their shoes and call us rascist and insulting names..."

Like I said. The next sniper, IED or car bombing that hits US military personnel, you can trace it back to the countining idiocy of individuals such as this fellow. They have no one to blame but themselves anymore.

i disagree,it is ok for them to drag burned americans thru the streets,behead people cause they are "mad at us"
but we parody a song or print a silly cartoon and we are the bad guys?

remember the twits jumping for joy in palestine when the trade centers were attacked,and thousands of innocent people were killed..and i am suppose to give 2 flying shits about a song?

murdering innocents= song/cartoons...ok...

you sound like an apologist,so be careful,you may get what you wish for,if you keep making excuses for the people that will kill over a song,yet demonise or chastise us for a freaking song.

the only way they are ever going to join the 21st century is when the world collectively says...shut the fuck up..it's a cartoon/song...and by the way,quit killing innocent people cause your offended,or we will act like you and you will not be happy.

imagine if the us killed people everytime we were insulted...damn,france and most of the middle east would be a smoldering crater,but we need to be tolerant of other cultures?
we are insulted and made fun of thousands of times a day...we dont behead and riot all the time,yet they get their panties in a bunch and go mental over cartoons...me thinks you should be directing your energy towards them,and advising the nuts that would plant ied's(as you imply about the song)that they are possibly wrong.

Welcome to the world of free speech.

Something radical Islam is none to fond of as it is.

Face it there is no law against poor taste or people cheering for violance. But a law against whining might be in order.

Edit: Oh and we all know Hadji, the cool guy in Johnny Quest. Watch some cartoons and chill.:D
He's right. Under the constitution people can say what they want, when they want. No exceptions. Except the FCC but they can go to hell.

i disagree,it is ok for them to drag burned americans thru the streets,behead people cause they are "mad at us"
but we parody a song or print a silly cartoon and we are the bad guys?
No, its not ok. Where did I say it was? And America didn't print the cartoon- that was Denmark by the way.


remember the twits jumping for joy in palestine when the trade centers were attacked,and thousands of innocent people were killed..and i am suppose to give 2 flying shits about a song?
I don't give two shits about 9/11. I remember seeing film reels of many Americans jumping for joy on the dropping of the A bombs on Japanese cities.

Afterwards when the scale of what happened reached them, they stopped and went "...oh...". Same thing happened for 9/11.


murdering innocents= song/cartoons...ok...
Is it? Wow, never said that at all.

you sound like an apologist,so be careful,you may get what you wish for,if you keep making excuses for the people that will kill over a song,yet demonise or chastise us for a freaking song.
Who has been killed over this song?


the only way they are ever going to join the 21st century is when the world collectively says...shut the fuck up..it's a cartoon/song...and by the way,quit killing innocent people cause your offended,or we will act like you and you will not be happy.
Yeah, the fuckin' ragheads!


imagine if the us killed people everytime we were insulted...damn,france and most of the middle east would be a smoldering crater,but we need to be tolerant of other cultures?

I don't know. When did France 'insult' America exactly?

we are insulted and made fun of thousands of times a day..
Yeah... for this exact type of shit thats why.

.we dont behead and riot all the time,yet they get their panties in a bunch and go mental over cartoons...me thinks you should be directing your energy towards them,and advising the nuts that would plant ied's(as you imply about the song)that they are possibly wrong.

I'm saying that the next time someone goes "Waaa waaa. Why do the hate us? Waaa."

"Well, shit Billy. Why don't you look at what people in your military are saying about the people you are supposed to be 'free-ing'. "

Wake the fuck up. Your soldiers are sowing the seeds of their own future problems.

It's called free speech.

One of our American pastimes. Something that Muslims want to put an end to.
The overwhelming majority of Muslims that I've met and gotten to know are cool people who are very easy to get along with.
That being said, I see this video as a boyish prank, but it's probably not the best thing right now anyway.

No, its not ok. Where did I say it was? And America didn't print the cartoon- that was Denmark by the way.


I don't give two shits about 9/11. I remember seeing film reels of many Americans jumping for joy on the dropping of the A bombs on Japanese cities.

Afterwards when the scale of what happened reached them, they stopped and went "...oh...". Same thing happened for 9/11.

*i agree,as i have lots of arab and middle eastern friends that did not jump for joy over the atrocity of 911,my point was,some did,and they are not excused from their insanity,anymore then i would be after 911 going out and killing people.or jumping for joy over innocents being killed over there.*


Is it? Wow, never said that at all.


Who has been killed over this song?

*you said to not be suprised about ied's...that implies killing,does it not?
and who would be doing that killing,and over what?*




I don't know. When did France 'insult' America exactly?

*how about...constantly!*


Yeah... for this exact type of shit thats why.






I'm saying that the next time someone goes "Waaa waaa. Why do the hate us? Waaa."

"Well, shit Billy. Why don't you look at what people in your military are saying about the people you are supposed to be 'free-ing'. "

*i will agree with you,it is in bad taste and contributes to others opinion that we insult them..but that is not the reality,and if they cant get their head around a lone video,and not imprint it against all the soldiers that are trying to help them(as i know quite a few soldiers that truly care and truly are trying to help)*

Wake the fuck up. Your soldiers are sowing the seeds of their own future problems.

*i agree with you,believe it or not,but my point is,it is free speech and a miniscule minority that may be insulting them,but they have every right to say what they want,and the people that are insulted have every right to be insulted..but it in no way justifies an ied attack..which you said to exspect...i argue,they need to get a grip...or fuck off...the ones that will kill over an insult.

the arabs,indians,jews that i know,would never think it is ok to kill over insults,nor would i,nor would you i presume..it just seems that you are impugning the army and not the killers,but i may be wrong,and if i am,my apologies.*

The bastards. Fighting against an occupation. Tsk tsk. When will they ever learn to embrace FREEDOM!
If they would sit tight and let us get out of there (by not blowing troops up every other day), there wouldn't be any "occupation".

P.S. I object to your using that word, but I don't think that you are open minded enough to change it. Oh well.

I don't know. When did France 'insult' America exactly?



When did France first exist?

When did France first exist?
Soo... france Insulted us 1000 years before we existed?

I find it Ironic that two countries who hate each other wouldn't exist with out each other...

Soo... france Insulted us 1000 years before we existed?

I find it Ironic that two countries who hate each other wouldn't exist with out each other...
It's a love/hate thing. ;) France and the US have more similarities than they'd like to admit. To the point that they engage in rivalry.

Soo... france Insulted us 1000 years before we existed?

:rolleyes: Yes

The bastards. Fighting against an occupation. Tsk tsk. When will they ever learn to embrace FREEDOM!

Well, they just had a constitution written up AND an election....so hmm....

Insurgents=F*cking savages

Oh, hey CAIR! Go call 911-WHAAAAAMBULANCE! FREE SPEECH YOU SAVAGES! EMBRACE IT!

I also sent a letter to CAIR about the stink they are making over the marine's video. I made it as nice as I could.

Mr. Hooper,

I just read the article on the CAIR website discussing the organizations disapproval of the song sang by a Marine as other U.S. military members laughed and cheered. While the song may disturb members of the Muslim community and people of the Muslim faith, as American citizens we have a constitutionally protected right to free speech, whether we want to speak ill of our own government, our neighbor, or a group of people who have a factual history of suicide bombings and disagreeing with anything they feel goes against their beliefs with extreme violence, who, happen to be of Muslim faith.

Speaking of disapproval, is there an organization I can contact to voice my displeasure over the destruction that took place in New York and Washington D.C. on Sept 11, 2001 that was carried out by Muslim terrorists? Or about Al Jazeera gleefully reporting and airing videos of Americans such as Nick Berg being beheaded by Muslims terrorists? Or, about Muslim terrorists dragging the burned bodies of American soldiers through the streets?


I guess listening to some guy sing a song about fictitious events to the sound laughter and cheering is easily comparable to the horrible deaths of several thousand Americans at the hands of Muslim terrorists.

Thanks for any info you can give me about a similar organization that defends the interests of Americans victimized by Muslim terrorists.


Sincerely

Mosche ********


F8ck you CAIR.

CAIR also edited the lyrics to make them more inflammatory and altered the video somewhat. The one on youtube was better than the one on CAIR's website.

I don't give two shits about 9/11. I remember seeing film reels of many Americans jumping for joy on the dropping of the A bombs on Japanese cities.

Yea, but that ended a 6 year long war. It was possible that they were happy at the thought pf peace, dontcha think?

Yea, but that ended a 6 year long war. It was possible that they were happy at the thought pf peace, dontcha think?


ACtually saved more lives than it took. We could have turned all of japan into glass via Dresden style firebombing, which would have dome more death and destruction than an A-bomb.

ACtually saved more lives than it took. We could have turned all of japan into glass via Dresden style firebombing, which would have dome more death and destruction than an A-bomb.
Right, the firebombing of Tokyo took 85000 lives, and they still wouldn't give up. What was needed was overwhelming force, and it worked. I find it highly moronic that PsychoticMongooses is so sensitive to the Japs. If America lost the war to them, he would be a slave, they wouldn't give two shits about how many people they killed. How about all the people the Japs killed in China? But no, America is SO bad because we dropped a bomb or two that finally brought peace to the world, and eventually made Japan a prosperous, civilized country among the friendly brotherhood of nations.

CAIR also edited the lyrics to make them more inflammatory and altered the video somewhat. The one on youtube was better than the one on CAIR's website.
Very badly edited (the picture and sound don't even sync up)

Right, the firebombing of Tokyo took 85000 lives, and they still wouldn't give up. What was needed was overwhelming force, and it worked. I find it highly moronic that PsychoticMongooses is so sensitive to the Japs. If America lost the war to them, he would be a slave, they wouldn't give two shits about how many people they killed. How about all the people the Japs killed in China? But no, America is SO bad because we dropped a bomb or two that finally brought peace to the world, and eventually made Japan a prosperous, civilized country among the friendly brotherhood of nations.

Japan had something like 10 million Militia and irregulars ready to fight, aswell as everyone with two legs and a sharp stick. We would have turned over our whole invasion force within a week or so due to injuries and KIAs. Not pretty or fun.

Very badly edited (the picture and sound don't even sync up)

Yeah, it's stupid.

FYI if anyone wants the ORIGINAL, un-edited video to compare, TM me.

The reason that these Marines are being punished is because it tarnishes the imagine of the Marines. They'll probably be charged under Article 134 of the UCMJ, which is the "catch-all" article. I don't imagine that they'll be punished beyond what they'd get from a field grade Article 15.

The reason that these Marines are being punished is because it tarnishes the imagine of the Marines. They'll probably be charged under Article 134 of the UCMJ, which is the "catch-all" article. I don't imagine that they'll be punished beyond what they'd get from a field grade Article 15.

they should NOT be punished...period,and if you think so,then we have nothing to discuss.

i agree with the above poster about how they will be punished,do i think they should...nope

Right, the firebombing of Tokyo took 85000 lives, and they still wouldn't give up. What was needed was overwhelming force, and it worked. I find it highly moronic that PsychoticMongooses is so sensitive to the Japs. If America lost the war to them, he would be a slave, they wouldn't give two shits about how many people they killed. How about all the people the Japs killed in China? But no, America is SO bad because we dropped a bomb or two that finally brought peace to the world, and eventually made Japan a prosperous, civilized country among the friendly brotherhood of nations.

Necessary or not… I’m going to adopt Albert Einstein’s philosophy on the matter;
If Germany, or Japan (or hell even Russia) had used it before the US it would have been considered unforgivable atrocity…

ACtually saved more lives than it took. We could have turned all of japan into glass via Dresden style firebombing, which would have dome more death and destruction than an A-bomb.
Well, i have always strongly defended that position, but i didnt want to be the one to bring it up, so thank you.

Ok, seriously, people agaisnt it, learn the tiniet bit of history. [if you do that i will work on spelling]. Look at the Yammato, Okinawa, and Iwo Jima. That is all you should need, althought there is a lot more than that.

Well, i have always strongly defended that position, but i didnt want to be the one to bring it up, so thank you.

Ok, seriously, people agaisnt it, learn the tiniet bit of history. [if you do that i will work on spelling]. Look at the Yammato, Okinawa, and Iwo Jima. That is all you should need, althought there is a lot more than that.

I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Truman's decision to drop the a-bomb.

Better beleive I'd say YES.

*i agree with you,believe it or not,but my point is,it is free speech and a miniscule minority that may be insulting them,but they have every right to say what they want,and the people that are insulted have every right to be insulted..but it in no way justifies an ied attack..which you said to exspect...i argue,they need to get a grip...or fuck off...the ones that will kill over an insult.
Fair enough, but I could have sworn that once you enter the military you give that 'freedom of speech' lark.


the arabs,indians,jews that i know,would never think it is ok to kill over insults,nor would i,nor would you i presume..it just seems that you are impugning the army and not the killers,but i may be wrong,and if i am,my apologies.*

Not at all. I'm not saying it is justified. I'm in fact saying, "Don't be surprised if this is used against you in the future"


P.S. I object to your using that word, but I don't think that you are open minded enough to change it. Oh well.
Sorry, sorry... of course I meant "Liberation".

When did France first exist?
Round about 900AD (give or take), why? Is that insulting?


Well, they just had a constitution written up AND an election....so hmm....
So? What does that matter?! There were elections and legislation in the Colonies before they became the United States, in Ireland before the war of Independence etc etc.

Yea, but that ended a 6 year long war. It was possible that they were happy at the thought pf peace, dontcha think?

Yes. That doesn't detract from the change in their reactions when the realisation of what happened sunk in. Did they wish for a longer war? No. The two aren't connected.

I find it highly moronic that PsychoticMongooses is so sensitive to the Japs. If America lost the war to them, he would be a slave,
What? "Sensitive to the Japs"- where did I show this over sensitivity?

If America lost the war (which was not going to happen with or without the Bomb), how would I be a slave? I don't live in the States.

How about all the people the Japs killed in China?
And this has what to do with a discussion on modern day Iraq? Hmm? Oh that's right, nothing.


I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Truman's decision to drop the a-bomb.
Shame.

Fair enough, but I could have sworn that once you enter the military you give that 'freedom of speech' lark.

Not in the US military, especially when off duty. Especially if you're not an officer in uniform.

Not in the US military, especially when off duty. Especially if you're not an officer in uniform.
Strange. I remember you distinctly saying the opposite...

My eyes must be going in my old age.....

Strange. I remember you distinctly saying the opposite...

My eyes must be going in my old age.....

Nope.

If you are enlisted, and not a non-com, and not an officer, you can say virtually anything you want as long as you are not disrespecting your chain of command.

But there is tremendous latitude in "disrespect". You can still say President Bush sucks, as long as you're not in a formal formation on duty. You can cry about Bush all night long in a public bar, on an Internet forum, etc.

Non-coms and officers have a bit less latitude. They aren't allowed to make disparaging statements about the President while in uniform - but take the uniform off, and they can say whatever they like.

There are more restrictions in the Army on singing dirty songs in front of female soldiers.

While the song is stupid (if sung on the Internet), it is by no means illegal under the UCMJ.

CAIR also edited the lyrics to make them more inflammatory and altered the video somewhat. The one on youtube was better than the one on CAIR's website.

Why am I not surprised? This is the same CAIR who does THIS kind of handywork:

Doctored photo: http://www.jihadwatch.org/Vigil.jpg

Close up: http://www.jihadwatch.org/cair4.jpg

Original photo: http://www.jihadwatch.org/Vigil2sm.jpg

Why am I not surprised? This is the same CAIR who does THIS kind of handywork:

Doctored photo: http://www.jihadwatch.org/Vigil.jpg

Close up: http://www.jihadwatch.org/cair4.jpg

Original photo: http://www.jihadwatch.org/Vigil2sm.jpg

Jihadwatch.... riiiight.

I don't know why people are making a big deal out of this CAIR organisation. Surely your own instincts should be telling you "Hmmm. After Haditha and Abu G., is this really what we need out there?"

Its not about free speech, its not about legality- its about common fucking sense.

Different points, on all sides:

1. When you join the Army, Marines, or such, you give up certain freedoms. One is free speech. You do so VOLUNTARILY in America.

2. Guys, it's just a song.

3.Clearly the US military in general is not such a bunch of racist fucktards as their critics pretend they are.

P.S. Have any of you actually read the full lyrics?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8mOvbOl9aM&search=marine%20iraq%20song

too many drugs perhaps?

nice moves though....

P.S. Have any of you actually read the full lyrics?
Yes,yes I have.
Why do you ask?

Different points, on all sides:

1. When you join the Army, Marines, or such, you give up certain freedoms. One is free speech. You do so VOLUNTARILY in America.


No, you don't give up free speech when you join the military.

Funny how the satire about Islamic Radical intolerance is not tolerated by Islamic Radicals

No, you don't give up free speech when you join the military.

You can't critiscize the president.

You can't critiscize the president.

No, officers can't criticize the president while wearing their uniform. There's a difference.

Different points, on all sides:

1. When you join the Army, Marines, or such, you give up certain freedoms. One is free speech. You do so VOLUNTARILY in America.

2. Guys, it's just a song.

3.Clearly the US military in general is not such a bunch of racist fucktards as their critics pretend they are.
You win the thread.

You can't critiscize the president.
Only in his role as Commander-in-Chief.

If you're not in uniform, you sure can.

You win the thread.
Undelia, he's partially wrong - soldiers in the US military do not give up freedom of speech.

No, you don't give up free speech when you join the military.
Is it really "Free" if there are restrictions on when and where you can use it?

Is it really "Free" if there are restrictions on when and where you can use it?
Only for officers in uniform.

I wasn't an officer, so I could say what I felt like saying.

Only for officers in uniform.

I wasn't an officer, so I could say what I felt like saying.
Then in this respect you had freedom of speach but apparently officers dont

Then in this respect you had freedom of speach but apparently officers dont
Yes.

The person singing the song is an enlisted soldier (by his apparent rank).

His chain of command may express its displeasure with him, and even write him a note saying what a churl he is, but they can't do anything else.

Mind you, he might spend a lot of time burning cans of shit this month. Extra duty, you know.

Yes.

The person singing the song is an enlisted soldier (by his apparent rank).

His chain of command may express its displeasure with him, and even write him a note saying what a churl he is, but they can't do anything else.

Mind you, he might spend a lot of time burning cans of shit this month. Extra duty, you know.
Fair enough I was just geting things strait even in my own mind ... Thanks

Fair enough I was just geting things strait even in my own mind ... Thanks
For officers, it's the kiss of death for your career just to be investigated. They fear the court martial far more than lower ranks (although the E-5 and above fear it).

Younger, lower ranking soldiers may not give a shit how you punish them legally.

Which is why there is non-judicial punishment available in the Army. And creative methods of punishment that you can't administer in a court.

Man, I'm going to go and make a video about nuking unborn baby whales and playing "find the landmine" with a malnourished African child, and then I'm going to upload it onto YouTube. I guess I'm a terrible person.

Free publicity FTW!

Man, I'm going to go and make a video about nuking unborn baby whales and playing "find the landmine" with a malnourished African child, and then I'm going to upload it onto YouTube. I guess I'm a terrible person.

Free publicity FTW!

Be sure to put a picture in of Mohammed and start worldwide riots.

they should NOT be punished...period,and if you think so,then we have nothing to discuss.

i agree with the above poster about how they will be punished,do i think they should...nope

Whether or not they really should be punished is pretty irrelavent at this point. The Marines are going to conduct PR damage control, which includes at least some token punishment.

His chain of command may express its displeasure with him, and even write him a note saying what a churl he is, but they can't do anything else.

Mind you, he might spend a lot of time burning cans of shit this month. Extra duty, you know.

Can't they get them under Article 134? I think that's the number, you know, the catch-all article. If not, it'll probably just be a field grade.

Can't they get them under Article 134? I think that's the number, you know, the catch-all article. If not, it'll probably just be a field grade.

134 requires something more than a stupid song.

Or it may just be digging holes and burning shit cans for the next 90 days.

What? "Sensitive to the Japs"- where did I show this over sensitivity?

If America lost the war (which was not going to happen with or without the Bomb), how would I be a slave? I don't live in the States.


And this has what to do with a discussion on modern day Iraq? Hmm? Oh that's right, nothing.


Shame.
Well, you kept on going about how those "poor Japanese" were instantly vaporized by an American bomb, and that you don't care about 911 because of America's atom bomb attacks.
Where do you live? Europe? Then if America hadn't intervened, you would have either been a bitch for the nazis, or you would be tilling the land on some collective farm directed from moscow.
This indeed does have little relevance to modern day Iraq. So why did you bring it up? I was only offering rebuttalls to your opinions.

134 requires something more than a stupid song.

Or it may just be digging holes and burning shit cans for the next 90 days.

That seems most likely. The Marine Corps can say they did something and everyone can forget about it.