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Don't get me wrong, I am enjoying the World Cup (the Italy-Ghana match was very entertaining), but doesn't it seem like many of the players spend alot of time with their palms extended skyward, looking for a ref to make a call or on the ground because of some minor contact?

Some are some arent. Notoriously, the Italians do it alot, but you'll find people in every team who are willing to do it.

Did you say "soccer"...

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*throws up*

Football Damn It!!!! Anyway yes there are some divers who try and milka situation for everything they can. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't.

Some of them are. The Italians are rather well known for it, as it happens.

Foot-ball: game that centers around players playing a ball with their feet.

American football: game for people who do not know the difference between hands and feet. See also: monkey.

Watching the Stanley Cup, I am no longer of the opinion that just soccer players are melodramatic in order to attract penalty calls. They do it in hockey too, and I'm sure every sport that penalises certain contact has its players trying to play it up to give their team an advantage.

The refs should look through the game after it's over and yellow card EVERY player, who takes a dive, as many times as they did it in the match. As simple as that. Divers are fucking spineless scum who destroy games and mocks everything called fair play.

Divers and actors. I reckon any of them could get a job as a fight stuntman they are so good at throwing themselves to the floor.

Yes and no. Diving is, lamentably, an integral part of football. Given the professionalism, and wages, of players, they are expected to win, thus they do everything in their power to do so.

Did you say "soccer"...
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*throws up*

Football Damn It!!!! Anyway yes there are some divers who try and milka situation for everything they can. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't.

Foot-ball: game that centers around players playing a ball with their feet.

American football: game for people who do not know the difference between hands and feet. See also: monkey.

For Christ's sake, give the petty whining a rest, will you? In my country it is called SOCCER. You call it futbol. Fine. (we let you Brits slide for saying "bogroll" when you mean toilet paper, don't we?).

The point is, from the observer's view (I could be totally wrong), it seems like players are quick to fall to the ground or look to the ref rather than just play through.

Of course they are. It's part of their job...looking for every opportunity to score.

I don't like it, I much prefer the afternoon kickaround style, where if you get kicked in the shins you carry on and forget it, or if you get tackled and someone misses the ball it's really no big deal.

But that's the way it is, and it's understandable.

It's part of the game. For such tough athletes, soccer players sure come off as wusses.

Don't get me wrong, I am enjoying the World Cup (the Italy-Ghana match was very entertaining), but doesn't it seem like many of the players spend alot of time with their palms extended skyward, looking for a ref to make a call or on the ground because of some minor contact?

I really hate it when people do that sort of thing in games. I don't do it, because I'm not a pussy and can win games without a ref feeling sorry for me. What we need is more roughness.

There are dives, done to obtain unfair advantage, and dives made to avoid unnecessary pain. If a player 'simulates' a foul, then they will be fined now, however if a player literally jumps out of the way of a two footed, studs-up challenge at mid shin height, is that still a dive, or is it just avoiding having your leg broken?

There are two rules that I think should be introduced.

One - a player must spend at least twice the time off the pitch as they spend rolling around on the floor in agony (mock or otherwise). If it is real - they will need this time to recover - if it is fake, then their team can play without them for a while.

Two - any player signalling that a referee should give a card to an opponent, should automatically be booked. No questions, no discusssion. The issueing of a card is the referees perogative, and to demand that he issues one is unsportsmanlike conduct - already a bookable offence.

Two - any player signalling that a referee should give a card to an opponent, should automatically be booked. No questions, no discusssion. The issueing of a card is the referees perogative, and to demand that he issues one is unsportsmanlike conduct - already a bookable offence.

That happened in the...Serbia and Montenegro vs. Netherlands game the other day.

Ognjen Koroman signalled that one of the Dutch players should be booked and was immediately shown the yellow himself. Referee didn't hesitate. I think one of the commentators said it was a new FIFA directive.

That happened in the...Serbia and Montenegro vs. Netherlands game the other day.

Ognjen Koroman signalled that one of the Dutch players should be booked and was immediately shown the yellow himself. Referee didn't hesitate. I think one of the commentators said it was a new FIFA directive.

In which case Ronaldinho should have been booked today.

Yes I saw the incident in the SMG V NED game, and I actually, physically, applauded the referee.

I don't know about Ronaldinho, I missed all of the match bar the last 25 minutes, and even then I wasn't paying attention.

From what I did see, Brazil didn't look too sharp. Alot of players trying to do the individual thing, trying to use to much fancy stuff, and just getting the ball taken off them.

I don't know about Ronaldinho, I missed all of the match bar the last 25 minutes, and even then I wasn't paying attention.

From what I did see, Brazil didn't look too sharp. Alot of players trying to do the individual thing, trying to use to much fancy stuff, and just getting the ball taken off them.

Agreed - apart from Ronaldo, who simply slept through the match while he was on the field.

Watchin brazil made me think Aus won't lose by quite so much... made me happy :D

Is the Pope Catholic?

There are two rules that I think should be introduced.
+1.

Definitely. It annoys me so much nowadays. Not sure what game, but I distinctly seeing a striker go down, then get up again and when it was clear that the ball was lost, he fell back, was horribly hurt and had to be carried off the pitch.
It healed quickly.

*snip*

There are two rules that I think should be introduced.

One - a player must spend at least twice the time off the pitch as they spend rolling around on the floor in agony (mock or otherwise). If it is real - they will need this time to recover - if it is fake, then their team can play without them for a while.

Two - any player signalling that a referee should give a card to an opponent, should automatically be booked. No questions, no discusssion. The issueing of a card is the referees perogative, and to demand that he issues one is unsportsmanlike conduct - already a bookable offence.

I think these are both excellent ideas, particularly the first one.

If the player is genuinely injured, then the time spent off the field will be neccessary anyway. If they're not injured, then the coaches will pretty quickly get pissed off with the players spending so much time on the sidelines & will stamp out much of the acting.

Watchin brazil made me think Aus won't lose by quite so much... made me happy :D

Lose by so much? They're going to beat those Brazilians if they both keep up with their playing styles! :D

But on the subject of divers...I dun like em. Not one bit. I always figure that taking pain and shrugging it off is cool. It is, right? Like, for example, someone accidentally gets elbowed in the face while challenging for the ball, although no serious damage is done. It actually did hurt, but there are no broken anything, all the teeth are in place, and the nose isn't running blood. However, the pain is still there, and excrutiating. I'd admire the guy a HELL of a lot more if he just shook his head, shrugged it off, and kept going without even complaining to a ref. Don't even say a word. That gets respect outta me, for sure. :p

What I'm saying is; don't look like a baby in uniform. Injuries happen in sports, but don't try and milk them for an unfair advantage...especially when it makes you look so dumb. :rolleyes:

Certain basketball players on certain teams have been known to do the same thing in the US.

Is the Pope Catholic?

Yeah, but the question is, does he shit in the woods?

Yeah, but the question is, does he shit in the woods?
You just won jolt.

According to Motty yesterday, refs have been told by fifa to book divers but only if 110% sure it was a dive and that there was no contact. Wouldn't want referees looking silly on the slow motion replays now would we? ;)

Yes, soccer players are soft. They play a soft game - they drop to the ground at the most minimal contact and squirm around like they've been shot. It's disgraceful. They're like little kids. I'm for Austrlian Rules Football anyday...

+1.

Definitely. It annoys me so much nowadays. Not sure what game, but I distinctly seeing a striker go down, then get up again and when it was clear that the ball was lost, he fell back, was horribly hurt and had to be carried off the pitch.
It healed quickly.

I believe that was the England/Paraguay game.

Don't get me wrong, I am enjoying the World Cup (the Italy-Ghana match was very entertaining), but doesn't it seem like many of the players spend alot of time with their palms extended skyward, looking for a ref to make a call or on the ground because of some minor contact?
Funny you should pick the Italians as an example because they have definitely decreased their acting ;)

I really hate it when people do that sort of thing in games. I don't do it, because I'm not a pussy and can win games without a ref feeling sorry for me. What we need is more roughness.
I agree with you. I can't remember that I would have ever done that shit.
Those actors just destroy a game.

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In my opinion the game tape should be reviewed after the game and divers should be banned 2 games no pay but that doesn't solve the problem of the current game so the fourth official (and a new 5th) should wacth it and then if they are convinced it was a dive the player should be sent off and given a 2 game suspension with no pay.

Taking your shirt off to expose your chest should also get you a two game ban.

Yeah. Football's traditionalism can really hurt it sometimes. I'd love for a video referee to be introduced.

Only for Diving.

You just won jolt.

Yay! :D

Yay! :D
It ain't worth much seeing as it keeps dieing.
*mocks*

Can we start a petition to have AB Again put o the rule-making committee of FIFA?

For Christ's sake, give the petty whining a rest, will you? In my country it is called SOCCER. You call it futbol. Fine. (we let you Brits slide for saying "bogroll" when you mean toilet paper, don't we?).


Is not in UK, is in the whole world, although the word comes from England. And by the way, english people, come to the decimal sistem, please, is tiring each time I go to England to convert measures.:headbang:

I believe that was the England/Paraguay game.Yeah it was Santa Cruz. South Americans are not exactly sportsmanlike (anyone remember Rivaldo's little stunt (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport3/worldcup2002/hi/matches_wallchart/brazil_v_turkey/newsid_2023000/2023985.stm) when he was going to take a corner?)

Funny you should pick the Italians as an example because they have definitely decreased their acting ;)

Actually, I mentioned the Italians (and Ghana) only as an example of an entertaining game, not diving.

How many of you actually play competitive football?

I do, and have done for several years. I can assure you I dive regularly, as do most players. When the game is competitive, you do everything in your power to win.

Some are some arent. Notoriously, the Italians do it alot, but you'll find people in every team who are willing to do it.
And some teams nearly never do it. Brazil doesn't dive very often, for example.

How many of you actually play competitive football?

I do, and have done for several years. I can assure you I dive regularly, as do most players. When the game is competitive, you do everything in your power to win.

That is all the more reason to crack down on it with a quick yellow card. It undermines the game and creates the impression of soccer players as whiners.

If people wanted to see acting they would go to the theatre.

That is all the more reason to crack down on it with a quick yellow card. It undermines the game and creates the impression of soccer players as whiners.

If people wanted to see acting they would go to the theatre.

Not really. Blatent diving yes, however if there is illegal contact you are fully allowed to go down.

Not really. Blatent diving yes, however if there is illegal contact you are fully allowed to go down.

I still would rather not see it. In NHL hockey you can get 2 minutes for diving even if the other player gets a penalty for doing something that resulted in your dive (such as a trip you embellish with a dramatic fall).

I guess they figure it is up to the refs to call the penalties, not the players to petition for them.

I still would rather not see it. In NHL hockey you can get 2 minutes for diving even if the other player gets a penalty for doing something that resulted in your dive (such as a trip you embellish with a dramatic fall).

I guess they figure it is up to the refs to call the penalties, not the players to petition for them.

Nope. The intelligent player gives the referee no choice but to call.

Can we start a petition to have AB Again put o the rule-making committee of FIFA?

Thank you. I need a job right now.

Nope. The intelligent player gives the referee no choice but to call.

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