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I want to post this thread to see what people think we should do to Neo Nazis. Simple.

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All I want to see what people's opinion of them. I'm not going to vote to get a bit of a proper gauge of what people think

First thought that came to mind was to spam, seeing how the creator of this thread was een too lazy to set good grounds for a debate. Appearently more and more people are willing to create topics, but do not wish to take a stance on it. Pussies.

But, as what to do with Neo Nazi's? Nothing in particular. They have a certain set of values and ideas that do not totally reflect today's commonly accepted values (which are instituted by the majority of people) and general thought patterns.

We have a thing called freedom of speech, and thereby they are allowed to yell, scream, shout, communicate, etc. their opinions. Nothing wrong with that.


But I don't think that is what you wanted me to say.

Let them stew in their own hate?

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First thought that came to mind was to spam, seeing how the creator of this thread was een too lazy to set good grounds for a debate. Appearently more and more people are willing to create topics, but do not wish to take a stance on it. Pussies.

But, as what to do with Neo Nazi's? Nothing in particular. They have a certain set of values and ideas that do not totally reflect today's commonly accepted values (which are instituted by the majority of people) and general thought patterns.

We have a thing called freedom of speech, and thereby they are allowed to yell, scream, shout, communicate, etc. their opinions. Nothing wrong with that.


But I don't think that is what you wanted me to say.

Actually I agree with you. The first option is hypocritical, because being hateful against the Nazis is being hateful, therefore being like them. The second option would be the one I would vote on if I wanted to. I wanted to take a stance after I got some votes on the poll.

I'd allow them to stage their rally, but then I'd proceed to mock them thoroughly.

I'd allow them to stage their rally, but then I'd proceed to mock them thoroughly.

Of course. All under the banner of free speech ;)

I'd allow them to stage their rally, but then I'd proceed to mock them thoroughly.

The second option seems the most popular. Which does make me happy. :D

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HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

The second option seems the most popular. Which does make me happy. :D

Just wait for the leftwing-crazies to come online :D

I'd allow them to stage their rally, but then I'd proceed to mock them thoroughly.

;)

Just wait for the leftwing-crazies to come online :D
In which they will post their, hateful, angry must kill nazi message. Which seems remarkably close to most to their politics......;)

The second option seems the most popular. Which does make me happy. :D
Oh, and the wealth of options you provided.

Sure freedom of speech is everyone's right. Unless they're using it to deny others similar basic human rights. In that case, they just didn't understand what freedom of speech means. And deserve whatever arguments or legal consequences are coming to them.

We'll sue them to England!

Oh, and the wealth of options you provided.

Sure freedom of speech is everyone's right. Unless they're using it to deny others similar basic human rights. In that case, they just didn't understand what freedom of speech means. And deserve whatever arguments or legal consequences are coming to them.

By saying that you cant allow others to say that we should take away human rights you are taking away their rights. And by saying that you should take away their rights you are acting just like them. And they are human...despite what you may think.

Oh the poor, downtrodden neo-nazis.

I say, exercise your own freedom of speech and counter-rally.

Oh the poor, downtrodden neo-nazis.

I say, exercise your own freedom of speech and counter-rally.

Makes quite a bit of sense, and no...this is not sarcasm.

And they are human...despite what you may think.
*insert conspiracy theory*

Oh the poor, downtrodden neo-nazis.

I say, exercise your own freedom of speech and counter-rally.
I say we make Sinuhue the leader and follow...her...or is, no, no her. Yeah that's right.

I'm glad that no one took the fourth option...at least not yet.

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By saying that you cant allow others to say that we should take away human rights you are taking away their rights.
I didn't say that. I'm saying that if they do, they deserve to face the consequences. Criticism and probably legal persecution.

And by saying that you should take away their rights you are acting just like them. And they are human...despite what you may think.
Paradoxical, isn't it? I'm not denying they're human. Learn to read.

Now allow me to return the favour and offer you my psychoanalysis. You're not looking for freedom of speech or rational discussion. You're enjoying the controversy. You might even be looking for someone to put up a fight against. That's what you started this thread for.

Enjoy.

I didn't say that. I'm saying that if they do, they deserve to face the consequences. Criticism and probably legal persecution.


Paradoxical, isn't it? I'm not denying they're human. Learn to read.

Now allow me to return the favour and offer you my psychoanalysis. You're not looking for freedom of speech or rational discussion. You're enjoying the controversy. You might even be looking for someone to put up a fight against. That's what you started this thread for.

Enjoy.

Criticism....Yes, but unless they do anything illegal, they do should not recieve legal persecution.

Also your saying that they should not have free speech because of what they believe, of their concept of human rights, even though twisted. Is it now illegal to say we should say away with the constition?

Oh, and about that controversy. Yes, I am like Dan Brown, writing my book about Nazis to bring controversy because I have nothing better to do. And about that fight....lets take it outside.

Yes, but unless they do anything illegal, they do should not recieve legal persecution.
Of course they shouldn't. But being a fascist and not acting on it is a bit of a contradiction in terms. Neo-nazis are overtly racist (which is illegal) and some act out their hatred violently (which is illegal). Being a sophist neo-nazi, in itself, is not illegal, and shouldn't be. But to a fascist, that's pointless.

Also your saying that they should not have free speech because of what they believe, of their concept of human rights, even though twisted. Is it now illegal to say we should say away with the constition?
They should have free speech, I stressed that twice. What you don't seem to distinguish is the ability to exercise free speech on the one hand and the possible consequences of abusing free speech on the other. Also, I didn't say they weren't allowed to abuse free speech, but that they deserve the possible consequences, like legal/moral judgment.

What bothers me about apologetic relativism, like you saying I'm denying neo-nazis their freedom of speech, is the following.

Neo-nazis aren't sincerely interested in freedom of speech. By definition they are in favor of a totalitarian state which would abolish civil rights like freedom of speech immediately. Their interest in freedom of speech is a temporary necessity. As soon as they succeed in establishing a regime, nazis will be the first to abolish everyone else's civil liberties.

I want to post this thread to see what people think we should do to Neo Nazis. Simple.
not give a damn if they dont disturb me, its free speech after all

Just wait for the leftwing-crazies to come online :D
I'm a leftie crazy and I don't really agree with any of the options, but I voted for the free speech one.

Simply because I'd have them arrested if they stepped one line out of place, but I wouldn't wish death upon them.

leave them be except to mock them for the pathetic losers that they are.

they are worse than confederate civil war re-enactors. not only are these idiots dressing up in costumes (like the re-enactors) but they (unlike the re-enactors) live in a dreamworld where they might bring about a nazi revolution in whatever country they live in.

did they forget that hitler put a bullet through his own head and germany was utterly defeated? not really something to idolize.

they are worse than confederate civil war re-enactors.
This reminded me of that one Family Guy episode where the Griffins went down South as part of the witness protection program. XD

Of course they should be given a right to free speech. Anything less would be hypocrisy. We have to hear commies ranting all the time, might as well spice it up with some right wing crazies.

W8 some didn't actually know what a Nazi is?
That really scares me

W8 some didn't actually know what a Nazi is?
That really scares me
Probably some joker...

Probably some joker...

Yeah...ur propbably right

Didn't we sorta fight the bloodiest and costliest war in all human history because of nazism?

Yeah.

So maybe, if more nazis start talking about how to seize political power, kill all the [insert minority here] etc etc, I see that as being more akin to "conspiracy to commit genocide" than "free speech."

I mean there IS a limit to free speech. Yell "fire" in a movie theater, just for fun. Or I know, send a death threat letter to the President. Exercise free speech, no? No.

They fight the good fight.

Just wait for the leftwing-crazies to come online :D
hey! i'm a left-wing crazy and i voted for the second option. i'd join a counter-rally and just shout louder than them.

let them say wat they want.

They fight the good fight.

yeah


as long as by "good" you mean "pathetically anachronistic, doomed to failure and evil"

I'm a member of several of the groups they want dead.

I still think they have a right to broadcast their hateful beliefs, no matter how ridiculous and absurd they may be.

They fight the good fight.

Oh god.



You're one of them, aren't you?

Oh god.



You're one of them, aren't you?

No.

No.

...


Then why'd you say they 'Fight The Good Fight'?

I have a right to not having to endure racist pap, in aid of enabling racists to abuse Freedom of Speech - in the far-flung hope they might somehow legitimize their racist ideology.

Fuck the Nazis. Fuck 'em over before they gain so much as a toehold. Like what's going down with this (http://www.thehaltonherald.ca/0405.html) asshole. Fuck him.

I have a right to not having to endure racist pap, in aid of enabling racists to abuse Freedom of Speech - in the far-flung hope they might somehow legitimize their racist ideology.

Fuck the Nazis. Fuck 'em over before they gain so much as a toehold. Like what's going down with this (http://www.thehaltonherald.ca/0405.html) asshole. Fuck him.
And curtailing the freedom of speech will somehow make Nazis (and other extremists) disappear? A bit naive.

Surely, holding a larger counter-rally is the well-established response?

And throwing facts at any attempt to bend history.

And social work.

More of the latter earlier, perhaps.

Neo Nazis=Morons.

Last weekend, my youth group had a Shabbaton (spend Shabbat together), and we had The One Speaker To Rule Them All - TJ Leyden, ex-Nazi activist & recruiter, now an anti-hate advocate. They have the First Amendment right to spread their beliefs - sans violence. However, their recruiting methods, as described by an individual who used them, are extremely violent. Honestly enough, I'll bet you that AT LEAST 60% of all Neo-Nazis have either comitted assault/murder or are accessories to assault/murder. Of course, that won't stand up in a court of law, so we need more undercover cops at neo-Nazi meetings.

A counter-rally also works. Or paper clips. About 6 million of 'em.