NationStates Jolt Archive


Left or Right?!?!?!

Kapitalistika
13-06-2006, 16:06
How many of you consider them selves Conservative, Libertarian, Socialist, Communist, or Centrist (Right, Left, North, South :D )??

Enjoy! Kapitalistika Prime Minister
Franberry
13-06-2006, 16:07
North-East by North-West, around the center, going south
BogMarsh
13-06-2006, 16:10
North Riding within Yorkshire.
But Yorkshire is centre within Britain.
Britian is the left of Europe.
Europe is to the right of America
In other words, a north-leaning Centrist to the left of Europe leaning right off America!
But only when bowling from the Gasworks End, of course.
Kazus
13-06-2006, 16:16
Im a liberal pinko commie bastard.
Biotopia
13-06-2006, 16:27
hmph, what about GREEN?
The Nuke Testgrounds
13-06-2006, 16:29
To the skies!
AlanBstard
13-06-2006, 16:33
I think I'm a neo con.

Conservatives think morality is real

Liberals think it doesn't exist

as a Neo Con I accept it doesn't exist but realise great happiness comes from the lie that it does. As an atheist I can go to church and as a hedonist I can condemn you as wicked.
Pure Metal
13-06-2006, 16:35
North Riding within Yorkshire.
But Yorkshire is centre within Britain.
Britian is the left of Europe.
Europe is to the right of America
In other words, a north-leaning Centrist to the left of Europe leaning right off America!
But only when bowling from the Gasworks End, of course.
... Mornington Crescent! i win! :p


yeah, i'd be a socialist or communist.... or something. i hover between the two...
AlanBstard
13-06-2006, 16:36
I think I'm a neo con.

Conservatives think morality is real

Liberals think it doesn't exist

as a Neo Con I accept it doesn't exist but realise great happiness comes from the lie that it does. As an atheist I can go to church and as a hedonist I can condemn you as wicked.

sorry I can go into a Hitlerian rant if I'm not careful.
IL Ruffino
13-06-2006, 16:40
I'm a facist.
Arinola
13-06-2006, 16:41
I'd say I'm not quite a communist,but I'm slipping towards socialism.I think the ideals of Karl Marx are almost perfect,except for the fact communism wouldn't work because mankind is fundamentally flawed-it's in our nature to be greedy,and have a desire to be above someone else.
Or in most people,anyway.
Cluichstan
13-06-2006, 16:41
sorry I can go into a Hitlerian rant if I'm not careful.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/squorn/givemepoland.jpg
Blood has been shed
13-06-2006, 16:47
A mild libertarian. With a little bit of chili sause on the side.
Mythotic Kelkia
13-06-2006, 16:49
Not sure where I fit in. I guess you could say I'm an ultra-super-extreme conservative - I'm a primitivist ;) . I think it basically went wrong with agriculture; that human existence was at it's best during the very early bronze age. Some stuff like medicine (because, to be fair, not dying so much is a plus) and the internet (for communication between tribes) we can keep, but the rest is just rubbish.
Jentacular
13-06-2006, 16:49
Hmm...I took that political compass test (it is a pretty awesomely cool nifty thing, by the way) and it said I was some sort of libertarian leftist... Normally I'd just say democrat.
Arinola
13-06-2006, 16:50
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/squorn/givemepoland.jpg

Ahh,nice one.That made me laugh :D Hehe.
Jentacular
13-06-2006, 16:52
ultra-super-extreme conservative, aka primitivist ;) . I think it basically went wrong with agriculture; that human existence was at it's best during the very early bronze age. Some stuff like medicine (because, to be fair, not dying so much is a plus) and the internet (for communication between tribes) we can keep, but the rest is just rubbish.

I'm all for it if we get to keep nice toilets.
Mythotic Kelkia
13-06-2006, 16:53
I'm all for it if we get to keep nice toilets.

ah yes, toilets too. One positive aspect of modern society; much better than the traditional hole-in-the-ground approach.
Neo Kervoskia
13-06-2006, 16:54
I'm all for it if we get to keep nice toilets.
That's too advanced and it's done too muc evil. You'll have to shit behind the bushes and wipe yourself with your hand. Using a leaf is too advanced an idea for a perfect society.
Arinola
13-06-2006, 16:54
I'm all for it if we get to keep nice toilets.

Woo toilets!
Kilobugya
13-06-2006, 16:59
I'm a communist. To those who misunderstand what communism is, I could say it as I'm a "liberal democratic communist" (using the US meaning of liberal: liberal on social issues, like gay marriage; not on economical issues).

But "communism" is just that, if you use the true meaning of the term.
Infinite Revolution
13-06-2006, 17:02
libertarian socialist or full anarchist depending on what mood i'm in.
Evil little girls
13-06-2006, 17:06
none of the options: I'm anarchist:cool:

EDIT: wooo, like-minded folk!
Tagmatium
13-06-2006, 17:06
Socialist, of the old British school.
Kilobugya
13-06-2006, 17:10
I think it basically went wrong with agriculture; that human existence was at it's best during the very early bronze age.

Bronze age is much later than agriculture ;)

Agriculture is from around -10 000 while Bronze Age is from around -4 000 if my memory is good.

Some stuff like medicine (because, to be fair, not dying so much is a plus) and the internet (for communication between tribes) we can keep, but the rest is just rubbish.

Well, for those things, you need electricity, infrastructures, high-precision industries, ... so you need a big deal of modern technology.

Now, I agree that some things are wrong in modern world: advertising, mass-media brainwashing, overuse of cars, abusive use of natural ressources, ... But what we should do is take the good and remove the bad parts. And I do believe that most of the bad parts are inherent to capitalism.
Evil little girls
13-06-2006, 17:10
I'm a facist.

Since I'm against the use of violence I will have to ask you to kill yourself.
Ceia
13-06-2006, 17:12
Paleo-Conservative.
Neo Kervoskia
13-06-2006, 17:15
Libertarian-paleosocialist-neofascist-anarcho-monarchist-librarian-Trostkyite
Kilobugya
13-06-2006, 17:17
I'd say I'm not quite a communist,but I'm slipping towards socialism.I think the ideals of Karl Marx are almost perfect,except for the fact communism wouldn't work because mankind is fundamentally flawed-it's in our nature to be greedy,and have a desire to be above someone else.

Actually, most studies showed that humans are not inherently greedy. Studies done on toddlers who a natural generosity, and studies of "primitive" cultures show a natural tendance of solidarity within the group. Greediness is much more a consequence of a capitalist society in which it is encouraged, rewarded and glorified than a natural thing.

Evolution theory also teaches us that "social" behaviour are encouraged, and in fact, many evolutionist think it was the greatest part in humanity success: for example, by feeding the elderly who are unable to feed themselves, humans act against basic survival instinct. But by doing so, they allow knowledge to be kept, and that, on the long term, is much better for the survival of the group.

Or in most people,anyway.

Why in "most" ony ? If it's not in "all", why so ? It could be genetics, some people are genetically greedy and some are not. But I highly doubt it, and it's not what studies show. If it's not genetics, it's what the person lived. How it was raised, what society he is raised in, what education he receives, what experiences he goes through. And the capitalist society, by what it promotes, rewards, ... is, every day, making people more egoistic.

And despite that, many people are still very generous. Most people still show some generosity and altruism, even with such a constant pressure from the society to become egoist. Isn't that a proof that men are not, inherently, egoistic ?
AllCoolNamesAreTaken
13-06-2006, 17:18
Former libertarian. I don't know what to call myself now.

Socially VERY liberal- legal drugs, gay marriage, pro-choice, etc

Economically...moderate, I guess. Pro labor union, socialized medical insurance, environmental regulations on business- but I am against the 'tax and spend' massive redistribution of wealth/pork projects/throw money at every cause in the book mentality.

edit: oh, and I HATE the religious right- morality is a personal issue, not for the government

also, I am pro-Iraq war, pro-war on terror, pro-Israel


anybody know what that makes me?
Nattiana
13-06-2006, 17:34
Former libertarian. I don't know what to call myself now.

Socially VERY liberal- legal drugs, gay marriage, pro-choice, etc

Economically...moderate, I guess. Pro labor union, socialized medical insurance, environmental regulations on business- but I am against the 'tax and spend' massive redistribution of wealth/pork projects/throw money at every cause in the book mentality.

edit: oh, and I HATE the religious right- morality is a personal issue, not for the government

also, I am pro-Iraq war, pro-war on terror, pro-Israel


anybody know what that makes me?

Probably closest to a social liberal.
Nattiana
13-06-2006, 17:34
I'm a social liberal/democratic socialist, depends on the particular issue.
Nural
13-06-2006, 18:08
I'm a libertarian/anarcho-capitalist although I find my econimic views are becoming slightly less conservative.
Klitvilia
13-06-2006, 18:13
I've been throwing around political spectrum quizzes alot lately. This tells you whether or not you are any of the above political views after you take a 16 question test and look through a loooong explanation.

http://www.moral-politics.com
Fair Progress
13-06-2006, 18:28
Liberal Center-right
Europa Maxima
13-06-2006, 22:25
Minarchist libertarian, decidedly right-wing economically.
Dinaverg
13-06-2006, 22:30
Social Dem, or a liberal gun-nut, whatever works.
The blessed Chris
13-06-2006, 23:09
Rather depends upon on my mood and level of disillusionment with society. On a bad day, I can veer towards fascism, on a good day, conservatism.
Undelia
13-06-2006, 23:18
I believe in the maximization of social liberties and the free market, though I recognize the need for extensive, but efficient safety nets and such in modern society, if only to keep the poor contributing to society. However, I am also strongly anti-religion to the point where I think they should have to pay taxes, pro-science to the point where I think certain useful fields should receive government funding, anti-military to the point where I support nuclear proliferation to maintain peace along with handing the US navy over to the UN and decreasing the army to a few thousand special ops soldiers, and pro-globalization to the point where I hope free-trade destroys borders and the internet destroys significant differences in cultures. Also, I don't have a great deal of faith in the Democratic process and somewhat favor tests so that only those with sufficient knowledge and intelligence can vote.

I don’t really know, nor do I care what I am. Ideologies are the path to mental stagnation.
TeHe
13-06-2006, 23:19
I'd go with "Compassionate Conservative." I support our troops, love my country, and believe in God. On the other hand, I also support gay marriage, think that we were wrong to go to Iraq in the first place (even if we have reason to be there now), and respect those who don't share my religious views.
Swilatia
13-06-2006, 23:39
neoliberal.
Europa Maxima
13-06-2006, 23:39
neoliberal.
Aren't you more of a Classic liberal - a libertarian?
United Terran Republic
13-06-2006, 23:42
Democratic Socialist.

I believe in an egalitarian society but I don't completely follow Karl Marx or true communism. I tend to have rationalist ideals, I don't believe in god or anything supernatural and like to think that all my ideals are run by logic. I'm fairly libertarian socially, as long as doing something hurts somone else (I don't care about 'god'), and I am willing to fight tooth and nail to defend my rights and those of others. I'm reasonable when it comes to enviromnental issues, but other issues such as economic and social issues are of higher priority to me.
Minkonio
14-06-2006, 00:06
Foreign Policy: Hawk
Economics: Centrist Capitalist
Welfare: Centrist Liberal
Civil Rights: Liberal (except for terrorists and other people who threaten our existence)
Francis Street
14-06-2006, 00:34
I'm in the centre because I'm pragmatic. Pure capitalism and communism have failed. The mixed economy has succeeded and it is the way of the future.

I'd go with "Compassionate Conservative." I support our troops, love my country, and believe in God. On the other hand, I also support gay marriage, think that we were wrong to go to Iraq in the first place (even if we have reason to be there now), and respect those who don't share my religious views.
You sound like a US liberal to me!
HotRodia
14-06-2006, 00:36
I'm in the centre because I'm pragmatic. Pure capitalism and communism have failed. The mixed economy has succeeded and it is the way of the future.


You sound like a US liberal to me!

US Liberal and Compassionate Conservative can certainly be considered synonymous.
Im a ninja
14-06-2006, 00:36
Centrist!
I agree with reps on soem things, dems on others. Anyone who doesnt think for themselves and just shouts out whatever there party tells them to is a moron. Its ok to be reasonable and go Red on someting, Blue on others, and Green on others.
Dinaverg
14-06-2006, 00:39
Centrist!
I agree with reps on soem things, dems on others. Anyone who doesnt think for themselves and just shouts out whatever there party tells them to is a moron. Its ok to be reasonable and go Red on someting, Blue on others, and Green on others.

Somewhere between Repubs and Dems is still rather right...
Ladamesansmerci
14-06-2006, 00:41
pfft. I refuse to be put into a box. I'm a political eccentric. :D
MadmCurie
14-06-2006, 00:41
I've been throwing around political spectrum quizzes alot lately. This tells you whether or not you are any of the above political views after you take a 16 question test and look through a loooong explanation.

http://www.moral-politics.com


Your Score

Your scored 3.5 on the Moral Order axis and -5.5 on the Moral Rules axis.

Matches

The following items best match your score:

System: Conservatism
Variation: Economic Conservatism
Ideologies: Conservative NeoLiberalism
US Parties: Republican Party
Presidents: Ronald Reagan (93.01%), George W. Bush (93.01%), George H. Bush (93.01%)
2004 Election Candidates: George W. Bush (93.01%), John Kerry (67.37%), Ralph Nader (49.13%)
Statistics

Of the 195343 people who took the test:

0.5% had the same score as you.
79.4% were above you on the chart.
16% were below you on the chart.
11.1% were to your right on the chart.
85.5% were to your left on the chart.

yeah, ummm.. that's kinda what I expected......:rolleyes:
Define meaning
14-06-2006, 00:42
I am a monarchist. One supreme amazingly cool monarch, like me, should rule the world.
Hakubi
14-06-2006, 00:53
I pull a little from the left and a little from the right. However, I side with the right more because they embarrass me less.