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http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/06/13/america/web.0613rove.php

The prosecutor in the CIA leak case on Monday advised Karl Rove, the senior White House adviser, that he would not be charged with any wrongdoing, effectively ending the nearly three-year criminal investigation that had at times focused intensely on Rove.

I thought it would end like this - I didn't think that the prosecutor had any evidence of wrongdoing on his part. Looks like the prosecutor's case is at an end.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/06/13/america/web.0613rove.php



I thought it would end like this - I didn't think that the prosecutor had any evidence of wrongdoing on his part. Looks like the prosecutor's case is at an end.
Damn. Of course, you're probably celebrating this, but I most assuredly am not. Karl Rove is a scheming, devious, horrible man. He has enormous talent for what he does. I just wish he had some ethics.

Damn. Of course, you're probably celebrating this, but I most assuredly am not. Karl Rove is a scheming, devious, horrible man. He has enormous talent for what he does. I just wish he had some ethics.
Not celebrating. Just knew it wouldn't amount to anything.

Yes, he's smarter than most of his opponents would care to admit. Ethics - well, I haven't seen him do anything provable that is any less ethical than what I saw the DNC do during the last Presidential election (we're talking provable things, not tinfoil hat speculation about Diebold, etc).

Damn. Of course, you're probably celebrating this, but I most assuredly am not. Karl Rove is a scheming, devious, horrible man. He has enormous talent for what he does. I just wish he had some ethics.

Ah, but you're speculating here.

“In deference to the pending case, we will not make any further public statements about the subject matter of the investigation. We believe that the Special Counsel's decision should put an end to the baseless speculation about Mr. Rove’s conduct.”

Can't believe that The Nazz and Gymoor aren't on here already, jumping up and down about this.

Maybe they're apoplectic right now - frozen in the rictus of astonished disbelief.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/06/13/america/web.0613rove.php



I thought it would end like this - I didn't think that the prosecutor had any evidence of wrongdoing on his part. Looks like the prosecutor's case is at an end.

I was expecting this as well.

Can't believe that The Nazz and Gymoor aren't on here already, jumping up and down about this.

Maybe they're apoplectic right now - frozen in the rictus of astonished disbelief.

*giggles*

Maybe rooting for Rove's indictment is like rooting for the US team in the World Cup.

Maybe rooting for Rove's indictment is like rooting for the US team in the World Cup.

You mean it is a thing that a good patriot does -
even when things seem hopeless?

You mean it is a thing that a good patriot does -
even when things seem hopeless?
Well, if you feel patriotic rooting for the US soccer team, consider that most of its members are ringers from elsewhere.

Well, if you feel patriotic rooting for the US soccer team, consider that most of its members are ringers from elsewhere.

Sah, there are no Virginians carrying Old Glory in Germany now.
So tis the Ringers that the patriot must support.

PS, keep your silver money,
The Emparrr will rise again.

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I thought it would end like this - I didn't think that the prosecutor had any evidence of wrongdoing on his part. Looks like the prosecutor's case is at an end.
Yawn... and yet, another high ranking official doesn't get a slap on the wrist. Figures. This is not a surprise at all.

Yawn... and yet, another high ranking official doesn't get a slap on the wrist. Figures. This is not a surprise at all.

It's not surprising because - there is NO evidence of wrongdoing.

It's not surprising because - there is NO evidence of wrongdoing.

Something many of us were saying but were not believed.

It's not surprising because - there is NO evidence of wrongdoing.
NO evidence? I'll agree that there seems to be nothing to point towards possible guilt, but, I don't think he's squeaky clean.

Mr Rove has testified several times before a grand jury in the case and is expected to face further questioning about his conversations with reporters at the time of the leak.
Rove 'will not face' leak charges (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5075476.stm)

I'm only linking this because the story that was linked seems to have nothing there to read...

NO evidence? I'll agree that there seems to be nothing to point towards possible guilt, but, I don't think he's squeaky clean.


Rove 'will not face' leak charges (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5075476.stm)

I'm only linking this because the story that was linked seems to have nothing there to read...

We're talking about the law when we're talking about guilt.

If a prosecutor can't build a case, then there's no evidence of wrongdoing. Period.

We're talking about the law when we're talking about guilt.

If a prosecutor can't build a case, then there's no evidence of wrongdoing. Period.
Not really, it means not enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. There can be evidence, just not enough.

Not really, it means not enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. There can be evidence, just not enough.
*thumbs up*

The man is to be considered innocent since he has not been proven guilty. That doesn't mean that there was no evidence, just not enough. Just the same as if this were a member of the Clinton administration who appeared to be filthy, but was never indicted. The man would be innocent because guilt hadn't been proved - but that would not mean that there was no evidence, just not enough.

Not really, it means not enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. There can be evidence, just not enough.

Can't say he's guilty.

Can't say he's guilty.


;)
But a good patriot keeps rooting for Karl Rove's removal anyway...

Can't believe that The Nazz and Gymoor aren't on here already, jumping up and down about this.

Maybe they're apoplectic right now - frozen in the rictus of astonished disbelief.
I was sleeping--sorry to disappoint.

Only two things to say, really. The first is that the articles I've looked at this morning are written as though they are more definitive than they really are--they're one-sided, and that side is Rove's defense attorney. That's not unusual, because Fitzgerald has always been closed-mouthed about what's going on in this grand jury, as required by the law (unlike some former special prosecutors who shall go unnamed here).

The second is that the article only mentions one thing from the letter--there's no transcript of the letter itself--so we're left to speculate about the contents of the letter. Was that all there was? Maybe, but I doubt it, because that's as close to a clearing of Rove's name as we'll ever get, and Luskin wouldn't pass up a chance to crow like that. So what else is in there? An agreement for immunity if Rove throws Libby and others under the bus? What?

There's no doubt that there was wrongdoing--too many judges have ruled on that being the case for that to even be in question anymore. But there's a long way from proving wrongdoing and proving who committed the crime, and people get away with shit all the time. I'll believe Rove is in the clear when Fitzgerald gets up in front of a news conference and says he is.

[Nelson] HAHA! [nelson]

He's gonna help get BUsh elected. Jeb Bush.

Turdblossum might help Jeb become president, but he'll never get elected.