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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-guQaYgrWqI&search=Loose%20Change%20part%202
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zUht6cLkMc&search=Loose%20Change%20part%201
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWCvRKW0Cuc&search=Loose%20Change%202
The Loose Change Videos, for those of you that have already seen it. #1 is about 30 mins, 2 same, 3 is 7 minutes. 3s not useful unless youve seen 1 and 2.
If those are true, thats really bad. But the thing is that its fairly little speculation, mostly hard, pick it up evidence or witness accounts.
It tries to debunk the Offical story, not nessicarly implicating bush[even though it kinda does]
I dont think its true, but huh.
Basically, for those who cant watch it, here a few of the MANY points it makes.

--An explosion is visible right in front of the plane moments before impact at the Twin Towers

-Two large missle-looking objects are visible on the underbellies of the plane. Boeing won't say what they are, and they dont look fuel tanks, but its possible.

-As the towers fall, explosions are visible always about 20-30 storys below the fall line

-Camera tripods shake just before the towers collapse

-Firefighres hear many explosions after the intial fact

-A 300 pound steel blast door is found crumpled up before the buliding collapses

-Extensive damage is done to the lower level lobbies. The offical story claims that fireballs went down the elevator shafts. There is no soot or any residue or evidence. The whole area is covered in a fine powder, a signature of high explosives.

-Bush's brother runs security for Dulles Airport, United Airlines, and teh Twin Towers. The whole building security is shut off 2 weeks before 9/11. Bomb sniffing dogs are removed 5 das before september 11.

-Huge numbers of Put options[or something] are put on Boeing and United Airlins in the weeks before 9/11. A put option is a bet that a stock wil fall.

-Jet fuel fire burns at a max of 1000 degress. Steel melts at 2-3 thound degress. Jet fuel could not have brought it down. Molten pieces of iron were found. Cant be done by jet fuel.

-A sesmic station reports that the towers collapse cause a 2.1 earthquake. This would not be possible unless they were coupled to the ground, like say, a bomb in the foundation

Pentagon:
-There is no marking on the lawn where the plane should have skidded before crashing.

-There is not even a dent where a 6 ton titanum engine should have slammed inot the pentagon at 530 mph. there is only a hole where the fusalege went through.

-The wings should have ripped off outside. There is no trace of them outside.

-There is not evidence of a 757 anywhre in teh debris. There are only 3 indetifible parts, all from a Millirat Aircraft.[A-4]

- The airplane soft carbon nose supposdley went through 9 feet of renforce steel, 3 layers into teh pentagon.

-The nose, along with the rest of the plane, is nowhere to be found.

-The plane hit the only part of the Pentagon renforeced to withstand that sort of attack, while rummy sat across the Pentagon, safe and sound.

-Witness reporst here all contradict each other.

-The only footage of the event was from a Gas staion security camera. The FBI was there to confiscate it. The have relsead 5 frames, none of whihc show a 757.

United 93
-Cell phone calls have a .016 probabilty of getting thorugh from 33,000 feet. Yet, about 10 calls got through in a short period of time. It is possible to replicte someones voice using a machine.

-The Debris is spread for 4 miles. The remainder of a 6-ton engine is found over a mile from the impact. A single crater is found. There is no debris [except the engine]longer than a few feet. How is this possible from a standard plane crash? Unless there were explosives, like missles.

-Many eyewitnesses confirm a white plane follwoin the plane. The government has confimerd a plane in the area. Thier explanation has been changed 3 times. It now rests on a Fairchild Falcon 20 flying a 3,000 feet. All eyewitnees claim it was flying lower, and there is no Fairchile Falcon 20 in the area accoring to flight plans.

General things of intrest:
-Pentagon brasss cancled thier flights for Sept. 11
-Rice called a san francisio mayor and told him not to fly sept. 11.
-It is not binladen in the confession tape. He looks nothing like him, is wearing a watch and a wring, and is writing with his right hand, altough he is right haneed. This tapewas found, not sent to them.

-binLaden claims he didn't do it. [Not saying trust him, but it kinda contradicts his own confession tape.]

7 out of the 8 indestuructable black boxes were destroyed. Yet a paper passport fly out of a blown up airplane, throguha burining buling, through a clodu of buring jet fuels, and lands unharmed at the feet of the FBI, who use it to implicate BinLaden.

9 of the Hijackers are still alive. Huh, thats odd.

The governemtn orderd figheters out of the united sates and away from NYC and washington.

There is a lot more stuff, but i dont want to post it all.
Not acceptable responsise:
Unpatroitoic.
OMGLOLZORZ THEY DONT KNOW THE DIFFERNCE BETWEEN A CRUISE AND AN AT MISSLE
Bunhca dammend hippie kids
Learn how to spell
Hey, your'e not a ninja!

Im fairly sure this isn't true, but i does make you think a litte.

....:headbang:

Jesus tapdancing Christ...

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b383/DrkHelmet/Forum%20Pictures/marvinohno2jl.jpg

That is all.

I think it was Colonel Mustard, in the library, with the gun!

I have no idea what the first two post mean.

Nobody on this forum cares what really happened. Actually that applies to most americans.
As long as it doesn't effect their daily lives, they're safe with the thought of omgz terrorismists.

I have no idea what the first two post mean.
Basically, everyone has seen this before. And therefore :headbang:
But i forgive the OP:fluffle:

-It is not binladen in the confession tape. He looks nothing like him, is wearing a watch and a wring, and is writing with his right hand, altough he is right haneed. This tapewas found, not sent to them.


Wow, mysterious indeed... :D

Wow, mysterious indeed... :D
Hes left handed. Forgot to mention that.
And im new here....havnetseen one of these thread before.

I think it was Colonel Mustard, in the library, with the gun!

Crap, and I thought it was Mrs. Green in the Kitchen with the Candlestick. I never win that game.

Sigma- Chill, Americans and NS'rs do and did care, but we also bloody know what happened. All you had to do was turn on the damned TV that day.

Nobody on this forum cares what really happened. Actually that applies to most americans.
As long as it doesn't effect their daily lives, they're safe with the thought of omgz terrorismists.
...

Meanwhile, fools like you are safe in deluding themselves with conspiracies and scenarios that are utterly impossible if one actually THINKS!

And it was niether: It was Professor Plum, in the Study, with the Lead Pipe.

...

Meanwhile, fools like you are safe in deluding themselves with conspiracies and scenarios that are utterly impossible if one actually THINKS!

And it was niether: It was Professor Plum, in the Study, with the Lead Pipe.

No, it was Blue, on the 25th, with the Doctors Bill.

(cookie to whomever gets the boardgame reference)

...

Meanwhile, fools like you are safe in deluding themselves with conspiracies and scenarios that are utterly impossible if one actually THINKS!

Its not impossible. Thats the whole point. ITs not even a theory, its jsut shows the offical story to be bullshit.

No, it was Blue, on the 25th, with the Doctors Bill.

(cookie to whomever gets the boardgame reference)
I'd guess monopoly.

Its not impossible. Thats the whole point. ITs not even a theory, its jsut shows the offical story to be bullshit.
Yeah...no.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

Liasia']I'd guess monopoly.

There is no blue in Monopoly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-guQaYgrWqI&search=Loose%20Change%20part%202
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zUht6cLkMc&search=Loose%20Change%20part%201
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWCvRKW0Cuc&search=Loose%20Change%202
The Loose Change Videos, for those of you that have already seen it. #1 is about 30 mins, 2 same, 3 is 7 minutes. 3s not useful unless youve seen 1 and 2.
[snipped for sanity's sake]

all your points are debunked by what has been presented in this thread. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=485643)

There is no blue in Monopoly.
Is on mine, bitch. 2 types, in fact.

Liasia']Is on mine, bitch. 2 types, in fact.

Not blue in the who category!

But they aren't called blue, Liasia.

Not blue in the who category!
Yeh.. i would say 'the game of life', but that's a really childish and probably not very common one. Basically, i don't know. Tell me tell me.

Its not impossible. Thats the whole point. ITs not even a theory, its jsut shows the offical story to be bullshit.
it is impossible with what Loose Change shows.

Micheal Moore has done better with distorting the truth and twisting the facts. this idiot of Loose Change was amaturish at best, sloppy at worse.

Liasia']Yeh.. i would say 'the game of life', but that's a really childish and probably not very common one. Basically, i don't know. Tell me tell me.

PAYDAY!

Good lord, am I the only one with l33t B0aRdGammINg sKi||z?

PAYDAY!

Good lord, am I the only one with l33t B0aRdGammINg sKi||z?
Board gaming is for losers with no electricity. [/mean and not actually true as he loves playing Monopoly]

Yeah...no.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html
Ok so despite that fact that that is jsut a few people saying other wise, cosnider the following.
9 Hijackers are still alive.
There was no debris from a 757 at the pentagon.
Greed is a huge factor. How do you explain the put options, or whatever they are.
There is no video of a 757 hitting the pentagon. The FBI refuses to relase the only one.

Board gaming is for losers with no electricity. [/mean and not actually true as he loves playing Monopoly]

Seen that Super Mario edition? :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-guQaYgrWqI&search=Loose%20Change%20part%202
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zUht6cLkMc&search=Loose%20Change%20part%201
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWCvRKW0Cuc&search=Loose%20Change%202
The Loose Change Videos, for those of you that have already seen it. #1 is about 30 mins, 2 same, 3 is 7 minutes. 3s not useful unless youve seen 1 and 2.
If those are true, thats really bad. But the thing is that its fairly little speculation, mostly hard, pick it up evidence or witness accounts.
It tries to debunk the Offical story, not nessicarly implicating bush[even though it kinda does]
I dont think its true, but huh.
Basically, for those who cant watch it, here a few of the MANY points it makes.

--An explosion is visible right in front of the plane moments before impact at the Twin Towers

-Two large missle-looking objects are visible on the underbellies of the plane. Boeing won't say what they are, and they dont look fuel tanks, but its possible.

-As the towers fall, explosions are visible always about 20-30 storys below the fall line

-Camera tripods shake just before the towers collapse

-Firefighres hear many explosions after the intial fact

-A 300 pound steel blast door is found crumpled up before the buliding collapses

-Extensive damage is done to the lower level lobbies. The offical story claims that fireballs went down the elevator shafts. There is no soot or any residue or evidence. The whole area is covered in a fine powder, a signature of high explosives.

-Bush's brother runs security for Dulles Airport, United Airlines, and teh Twin Towers. The whole building security is shut off 2 weeks before 9/11. Bomb sniffing dogs are removed 5 das before september 11.

-Huge numbers of Put options[or something] are put on Boeing and United Airlins in the weeks before 9/11. A put option is a bet that a stock wil fall.

-Jet fuel fire burns at a max of 1000 degress. Steel melts at 2-3 thound degress. Jet fuel could not have brought it down. Molten pieces of iron were found. Cant be done by jet fuel.

-A sesmic station reports that the towers collapse cause a 2.1 earthquake. This would not be possible unless they were coupled to the ground, like say, a bomb in the foundation

Pentagon:
-There is no marking on the lawn where the plane should have skidded before crashing.

-There is not even a dent where a 6 ton titanum engine should have slammed inot the pentagon at 530 mph. there is only a hole where the fusalege went through.

-The wings should have ripped off outside. There is no trace of them outside.

-There is not evidence of a 757 anywhre in teh debris. There are only 3 indetifible parts, all from a Millirat Aircraft.[A-4]

- The airplane soft carbon nose supposdley went through 9 feet of renforce steel, 3 layers into teh pentagon.

-The nose, along with the rest of the plane, is nowhere to be found.

-The plane hit the only part of the Pentagon renforeced to withstand that sort of attack, while rummy sat across the Pentagon, safe and sound.

-Witness reporst here all contradict each other.

-The only footage of the event was from a Gas staion security camera. The FBI was there to confiscate it. The have relsead 5 frames, none of whihc show a 757.

United 93
-Cell phone calls have a .016 probabilty of getting thorugh from 33,000 feet. Yet, about 10 calls got through in a short period of time. It is possible to replicte someones voice using a machine.

-The Debris is spread for 4 miles. The remainder of a 6-ton engine is found over a mile from the impact. A single crater is found. There is no debris [except the engine]longer than a few feet. How is this possible from a standard plane crash? Unless there were explosives, like missles.

-Many eyewitnesses confirm a white plane follwoin the plane. The government has confimerd a plane in the area. Thier explanation has been changed 3 times. It now rests on a Fairchild Falcon 20 flying a 3,000 feet. All eyewitnees claim it was flying lower, and there is no Fairchile Falcon 20 in the area accoring to flight plans.

General things of intrest:
-Pentagon brasss cancled thier flights for Sept. 11
-Rice called a san francisio mayor and told him not to fly sept. 11.
-It is not binladen in the confession tape. He looks nothing like him, is wearing a watch and a wring, and is writing with his right hand, altough he is right haneed. This tapewas found, not sent to them.

-binLaden claims he didn't do it. [Not saying trust him, but it kinda contradicts his own confession tape.]

7 out of the 8 indestuructable black boxes were destroyed. Yet a paper passport fly out of a blown up airplane, throguha burining buling, through a clodu of buring jet fuels, and lands unharmed at the feet of the FBI, who use it to implicate BinLaden.

9 of the Hijackers are still alive. Huh, thats odd.

The governemtn orderd figheters out of the united sates and away from NYC and washington.

There is a lot more stuff, but i dont want to post it all.
Not acceptable responsise:
Unpatroitoic.
OMGLOLZORZ THEY DONT KNOW THE DIFFERNCE BETWEEN A CRUISE AND AN AT MISSLE
Bunhca dammend hippie kids
Learn how to spell
Hey, your'e not a ninja!

Im fairly sure this isn't true, but i does make you think a litte.


ever here of photoshop?

i know a good friend that seen the airplane scream over his head at ground level...knocked him off his feet....but believe what you will..lol

i am no liberal buy any stretch,nor am i conservative...but please,a couple of bush haters drumming up some conspiracy thing is flat out silly.
buy it if you want,i got a bridge for sale!

i also lost an uncle in the trade centers,i guess the jews and our military let that happen as well.

thats about as plausible....but there is no depth that either side will stoop to sell their shit,i aint buying,glad you are.

we were attacked,lots of innocent people died,spin it all you want....facts are facts,and that stupid video you think purports to state "were did the wings go...yada,yada,yada..is so fucking dissproved by real scientists,you know like mit type scientists,not some nutjob with an axe to grind,like the liberals have,then you may open your eyes..till then...happy days.

i dont buy the war on terror either,but to think that what happennened didn't...is pathetic.

Ok so despite that fact that that is jsut a few people saying other wise, cosnider the following.
9 Hijackers are still alive.
There was no debris from a 757 at the pentagon.
Greed is a huge factor. How do you explain the put options, or whatever they are.
There is no video of a 757 hitting the pentagon. The FBI refuses to relase the only one.
check out this thread. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=485643)

the links in there debunk your 9 hijackers thing, the No Debris at the pentagon, and why the FBI refused to release the videos... well recently they did, when all the investigations were done.

that was on another thread also. if anyone can remember which one.

check out this thread. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=485643)

the links in there debunk your 9 hijackers thing, the No Debris at the pentagon, and why the FBI refused to release the videos... well recently they did, when all the investigations were done.

that was on another thread also. if anyone can remember which one.
Ok, i was wrong. I havent watched the Screw Loose change yet, damn 56kps. I just saw this, thought it interisntg.

Ok, i was wrong. I havent watched the Screw Loose change yet, damn 56kps. I just saw this, thought it interisntg.
it's like Micheal Moore's stuff. presents a good tale but if you examine what he says and how he says it, you see the holes in his theories.

like hearing Explosions do not just mean bombs.
people he quoted that later change their minds are because they found new evidence.
check out his 'experts' credentials
and you can see debris at the pentagon on his video. even when he says there are no debris.

Wow, seems like a sort of elaborate way to kill thousands of our citizens... :upyours:

Board gaming is for losers with no electricity. [/mean and not actually true as he loves playing Monopoly]
I have yet to finish a game, and this is playing with rules i made up. Unless you have 5 days spare monopoly is unfinishable.

PAYDAY!

Good lord, am I the only one with l33t B0aRdGammINg sKi||z?
Apparently.. though i bet you never played Dungeonquest.

check out this thread. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=485643)

the links in there debunk your 9 hijackers thing, the No Debris at the pentagon, and why the FBI refused to release the videos... well recently they did, when all the investigations were done.

that was on another thread also. if anyone can remember which one.

ever do an investigation involving national security?

didn't think so....that crap was so debunked,it is laughable.

the fbi did not release the video due to ongoing investigations,however it was reviewed by some of the most intelligent scientists on the earth,and they all came to the same conclusion....whats next...the jews set charges in the trade centers(you can see poofs of smoke...that proves it!)
get a grip.

i hate bush also,but please...wtf...something really bad happenened,and i know you want to blame bush,but that is plain silly..grow a pair and realize,,yes bush sucks,but the enemy sucks far worse...scary eh!

:upyours: :sniper:
gaaa i hate that smilie

ever do an investigation involving national security?

didn't think so....that crap was so debunked,it is laughable.

the fbi did not release the video due to ongoing investigations,however it was reviewed by some of the most intelligent scientists on the earth,and they all came to the same conclusion....whats next...the jews set charges in the trade centers(you can see poofs of smoke...that proves it!)
get a grip.

i hate bush also,but please...wtf...something really bad happenened,and i know you want to blame bush,but that is plain silly..grow a pair and realize,,yes bush sucks,but the enemy sucks far worse...scary eh!so you are agreeing with me right?

ever do an investigation involving national security?

didn't think so....that crap was so debunked,it is laughable.

the fbi did not release the video due to ongoing investigations,however it was reviewed by some of the most intelligent scientists on the earth,and they all came to the same conclusion....whats next...the jews set charges in the trade centers(you can see poofs of smoke...that proves it!)
get a grip.

i hate bush also,but please...wtf...something really bad happenened,and i know you want to blame bush,but that is plain silly..grow a pair and realize,,yes bush sucks,but the enemy sucks far worse...scary eh!
I already said i was wrong.....thats like so 7 posts ago.

Liasia']Apparently.. though i bet you never played Dungeonquest.

Pfft. I play MANLY boardgames like monopoly, payday, and sorry, not your WOMANLY games fit for my sheeps!

:sniper:
gaaa i hate that smilie
It seemed appropriate.

Pfft. I play MANLY boardgames like monopoly, payday, and sorry, not your WOMANLY games fit for my sheeps!
so no, never played Dungeonquest. else would've known that it is a manly boardgame.

Pfft. I play MANLY boardgames like monopoly, payday, and sorry, not your WOMANLY games fit for my sheeps!
Right, its on beatch. How about.. block-mania (based on the judge dredd comic books)? It's a bit slow, but quite cool.

so no, never played Dungeonquest. else would've known that it is a manly boardgame.
Well geeky at least. It's a good way to waste a few hours- and that's just setting up.

Sorry I'm late, my sheep exploded.

Y'know what, maybe I'm changing my mind about this one... we never got to question those "hijackers" to see if they actually hijacked those planes and ran them into the buildings, or if it was a complex laser/light/mirror show in downtown New York. I say that until we have documented, independant evidence (video, non-digital pictures) from inside the cockpit of the hijackers hijacking, right up until they "rammed" the WTCs, there was no 9/11.

Thanks for giving me some perspective on this one. :rolleyes:

Y'know what, maybe I'm changing my mind about this one... we never got to question those "hijackers" to see if they actually hijacked those planes and ran them into the buildings, or if it was a complex laser/light/mirror show in downtown New York. I say that until we have documented, independant evidence (video, non-digital pictures) from inside the cockpit of the hijackers hijacking, right up until they "rammed" the WTCs, there was no 9/11.

Thanks for giving me some perspective on this one. :rolleyes:
GODDAMNIT IM WRONG ALREADY
I even said in my orgianl post i was pretty sure this wasn't true.....twice.

GODDAMNIT IM WRONG ALREADY
I even said in my orgianl post i was pretty sure this wasn't true.....twice.
Don't worry about it, you said you were wrong, let people catch up.

just be cool about it. :cool:

infact, you can also joke about it if you want. ;)

Infact, there is now an interesting discussion involving Boardgames going on right here... what's your favorite?

GODDAMNIT IM WRONG ALREADY
I even said in my orgianl post i was pretty sure this wasn't true.....twice.
Good

Liasia']Right, its on beatch. How about.. block-mania (based on the judge dredd comic books)? It's a bit slow, but quite cool.

Oh? You wanna go, fool-unit?

How about AXIS AND ALLIES, ho!

*ghetto snap*

Oh? You wanna go, fool-unit?

How about AXIS AND ALLIES, ho!

*ghetto snap*
ohhh...

ever tried mustangs and messerschmitts, or Empire in Arms?

ohhh...

ever tried mustangs and messerschmitts, or Empire in Arms?

Pfft, RISK is where the action is, beyotch!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-guQaYgrWqI&search=Loose%20Change%20part%202
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zUht6cLkMc&search=Loose%20Change%20part%201
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWCvRKW0Cuc&search=Loose%20Change%202
The Loose Change Videos, for those of you that have already seen it. #1 is about 30 mins, 2 same, 3 is 7 minutes. 3s not useful unless youve seen 1 and 2.
If those are true, thats really bad. But the thing is that its fairly little speculation, mostly hard, pick it up evidence or witness accounts.
It tries to debunk the Offical story, not nessicarly implicating bush[even though it kinda does]
I dont think its true, but huh.
Basically, for those who cant watch it, here a few of the MANY points it makes.

--An explosion is visible right in front of the plane moments before impact at the Twin Towers

-Two large missle-looking objects are visible on the underbellies of the plane. Boeing won't say what they are, and they dont look fuel tanks, but its possible.

-As the towers fall, explosions are visible always about 20-30 storys below the fall line

-Camera tripods shake just before the towers collapse

-Firefighres hear many explosions after the intial fact

-A 300 pound steel blast door is found crumpled up before the buliding collapses

-Extensive damage is done to the lower level lobbies. The offical story claims that fireballs went down the elevator shafts. There is no soot or any residue or evidence. The whole area is covered in a fine powder, a signature of high explosives.

-Bush's brother runs security for Dulles Airport, United Airlines, and teh Twin Towers. The whole building security is shut off 2 weeks before 9/11. Bomb sniffing dogs are removed 5 das before september 11.

-Huge numbers of Put options[or something] are put on Boeing and United Airlins in the weeks before 9/11. A put option is a bet that a stock wil fall.

-Jet fuel fire burns at a max of 1000 degress. Steel melts at 2-3 thound degress. Jet fuel could not have brought it down. Molten pieces of iron were found. Cant be done by jet fuel.

-A sesmic station reports that the towers collapse cause a 2.1 earthquake. This would not be possible unless they were coupled to the ground, like say, a bomb in the foundation

Pentagon:
-There is no marking on the lawn where the plane should have skidded before crashing.

-There is not even a dent where a 6 ton titanum engine should have slammed inot the pentagon at 530 mph. there is only a hole where the fusalege went through.

-The wings should have ripped off outside. There is no trace of them outside.

-There is not evidence of a 757 anywhre in teh debris. There are only 3 indetifible parts, all from a Millirat Aircraft.[A-4]

- The airplane soft carbon nose supposdley went through 9 feet of renforce steel, 3 layers into teh pentagon.

-The nose, along with the rest of the plane, is nowhere to be found.

-The plane hit the only part of the Pentagon renforeced to withstand that sort of attack, while rummy sat across the Pentagon, safe and sound.

-Witness reporst here all contradict each other.

-The only footage of the event was from a Gas staion security camera. The FBI was there to confiscate it. The have relsead 5 frames, none of whihc show a 757.

United 93
-Cell phone calls have a .016 probabilty of getting thorugh from 33,000 feet. Yet, about 10 calls got through in a short period of time. It is possible to replicte someones voice using a machine.

-The Debris is spread for 4 miles. The remainder of a 6-ton engine is found over a mile from the impact. A single crater is found. There is no debris [except the engine]longer than a few feet. How is this possible from a standard plane crash? Unless there were explosives, like missles.

-Many eyewitnesses confirm a white plane follwoin the plane. The government has confimerd a plane in the area. Thier explanation has been changed 3 times. It now rests on a Fairchild Falcon 20 flying a 3,000 feet. All eyewitnees claim it was flying lower, and there is no Fairchile Falcon 20 in the area accoring to flight plans.

General things of intrest:
-Pentagon brasss cancled thier flights for Sept. 11
-Rice called a san francisio mayor and told him not to fly sept. 11.
-It is not binladen in the confession tape. He looks nothing like him, is wearing a watch and a wring, and is writing with his right hand, altough he is right haneed. This tapewas found, not sent to them.

-binLaden claims he didn't do it. [Not saying trust him, but it kinda contradicts his own confession tape.]

7 out of the 8 indestuructable black boxes were destroyed. Yet a paper passport fly out of a blown up airplane, throguha burining buling, through a clodu of buring jet fuels, and lands unharmed at the feet of the FBI, who use it to implicate BinLaden.

9 of the Hijackers are still alive. Huh, thats odd.

The governemtn orderd figheters out of the united sates and away from NYC and washington.

There is a lot more stuff, but i dont want to post it all.
Not acceptable responsise:
Unpatroitoic.
OMGLOLZORZ THEY DONT KNOW THE DIFFERNCE BETWEEN A CRUISE AND AN AT MISSLE
Bunhca dammend hippie kids
Learn how to spell
Hey, your'e not a ninja!

Im fairly sure this isn't true, but i does make you think a litte.

Can't you forum-wrecking spammers use the search form?

This has been discussed repeatedly, read one of those discussions.

Oh? You wanna go, fool-unit?

How about AXIS AND ALLIES, ho!

*ghetto snap*
No i'm good, after those two i got old enough to use the computer:p
*does drive by on TSI*

Can't you forum-wrecking spammers use the search form?

This has been discussed repeatedly, read one of those discussion.
*Breaths Deeply*
Ok, must control rage at people not bothering to read the whole thread.

Don't worry about it, you said you were wrong, let people catch up.

just be cool about it. :cool:

infact, you can also joke about it if you want. ;)

Infact, there is now an interesting discussion involving Boardgames going on right here... what's your favorite?
THE FARMING GAME (http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/5195) FTW!!!! :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

Pfft, RISK is where the action is, beyotch!
Risk? against Empire in Arms? bah. Risk is for the babies, EiA for those who truely want to take over the world.

THE FARMING GAME (http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/5195) FTW!!!! :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:
Only 5.8/10- puny, if you ask me.

*Breaths Deeply*
Ok, must control rage at people not bothering to read the whole thread.


Why would anyone with half an ounce of common sense read another one of these stupid 9/11 threads?

THE FARMING GAME (http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/5195) FTW!!!! :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:
LOL
Risk owns yall.....

Liasia']No i'm good, after those two i got old enough to use the computer:p
*does drive by on TSI*

Computers+Boardgames=teh pwnz

*brings posse*

Why would anyone with half an ounce of common sense read another one of these stupid 9/11 threads?
Thats a very good question.

LOL
Risk owns yall.....
Wait a second... you aren't even a real ninja! :mad:

Risk? against Empire in Arms? bah. Risk is for the babies, EiA for those who truely want to take over the world.

No, that would be diplomacy, fool.

Computers+Boardgames=teh pwnz

*brings posse*
the pwnz+no friends for a few years
*does drive by on TSI and posse*

Wait a second... you aren't even a real ninja! :mad:
Yes I am![/Lie]
*pulls out throwing star and kills lalaland*

Liasia']the pwnz+no friends for a few years
*does drive by on TSI and posse*
Friends are necessary if you have good AI.

*dispatches hoes to infect Liasia*

Yes I am![/Lie]
*pulls out throwing star and kills lalaland*
Mwhahahahaahahahahahhahahaha It's LaLaland0 you fool!!!

:D

Friends are necessary if you have good AI.

*dispatches hoes to infect Liasia*
Do you mean not neccessary? I love pwning my friends when they come round on tiberian sun and vietcong. they suck worse than the AI.
*gets infected, but doesn't complain*

Mwhahahahaahahahahahhahahaha It's LaLaland0 you fool!!!

:D
:p
Damn.....

Liasia']Do you mean not neccessary? I love pwning my friends when they come round on tiberian sun and vietcong. they suck worse than the AI.
*gets infected, but doesn't complain*

But you must have a good AI. Or handicap yourself.

*writes graffiti on Liasia's homie HQ*

But you must have a good AI. Or handicap yourself.

*writes graffiti on Liasia's homie HQ*
I just never tank-rush, that's enough of a handicap. FPS's are stupid, the AI usually cheats.
*does a dump in a tesco bag, and mails it to TSI*

I already said i was wrong.....thats like so 7 posts ago.

my bad dude or dudette.

you may be right,but i doubt it.

i was away so .....sorry...other things to do i suppose...but welcome and enjoy your stay.

i just seen the post and it gets under my skin,hope i did not come across mean,not my intent.

anyhow...interesting post and thanks for getting my blood going...peace

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-guQaYgrWqI&search=Loose%20Change%20part%202
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zUht6cLkMc&search=Loose%20Change%20part%201
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWCvRKW0Cuc&search=Loose%20Change%202
The Loose Change Videos, for those of you that have already seen it. #1 is about 30 mins, 2 same, 3 is 7 minutes. 3s not useful unless youve seen 1 and 2.
If those are true, thats really bad. But the thing is that its fairly little speculation, mostly hard, pick it up evidence or witness accounts.
It tries to debunk the Offical story, not nessicarly implicating bush[even though it kinda does]
I dont think its true, but huh.
Basically, for those who cant watch it, here a few of the MANY points it makes.

--An explosion is visible right in front of the plane moments before impact at the Twin Towers

-Two large missle-looking objects are visible on the underbellies of the plane. Boeing won't say what they are, and they dont look fuel tanks, but its possible.

-As the towers fall, explosions are visible always about 20-30 storys below the fall line

-Camera tripods shake just before the towers collapse

-Firefighres hear many explosions after the intial fact

-A 300 pound steel blast door is found crumpled up before the buliding collapses

-Extensive damage is done to the lower level lobbies. The offical story claims that fireballs went down the elevator shafts. There is no soot or any residue or evidence. The whole area is covered in a fine powder, a signature of high explosives.

-Bush's brother runs security for Dulles Airport, United Airlines, and teh Twin Towers. The whole building security is shut off 2 weeks before 9/11. Bomb sniffing dogs are removed 5 das before september 11.

-Huge numbers of Put options[or something] are put on Boeing and United Airlins in the weeks before 9/11. A put option is a bet that a stock wil fall.

-Jet fuel fire burns at a max of 1000 degress. Steel melts at 2-3 thound degress. Jet fuel could not have brought it down. Molten pieces of iron were found. Cant be done by jet fuel.

-A sesmic station reports that the towers collapse cause a 2.1 earthquake. This would not be possible unless they were coupled to the ground, like say, a bomb in the foundation

Pentagon:
-There is no marking on the lawn where the plane should have skidded before crashing.

-There is not even a dent where a 6 ton titanum engine should have slammed inot the pentagon at 530 mph. there is only a hole where the fusalege went through.

-The wings should have ripped off outside. There is no trace of them outside.

-There is not evidence of a 757 anywhre in teh debris. There are only 3 indetifible parts, all from a Millirat Aircraft.[A-4]

- The airplane soft carbon nose supposdley went through 9 feet of renforce steel, 3 layers into teh pentagon.

-The nose, along with the rest of the plane, is nowhere to be found.

-The plane hit the only part of the Pentagon renforeced to withstand that sort of attack, while rummy sat across the Pentagon, safe and sound.

-Witness reporst here all contradict each other.

-The only footage of the event was from a Gas staion security camera. The FBI was there to confiscate it. The have relsead 5 frames, none of whihc show a 757.

United 93
-Cell phone calls have a .016 probabilty of getting thorugh from 33,000 feet. Yet, about 10 calls got through in a short period of time. It is possible to replicte someones voice using a machine.

-The Debris is spread for 4 miles. The remainder of a 6-ton engine is found over a mile from the impact. A single crater is found. There is no debris [except the engine]longer than a few feet. How is this possible from a standard plane crash? Unless there were explosives, like missles.

-Many eyewitnesses confirm a white plane follwoin the plane. The government has confimerd a plane in the area. Thier explanation has been changed 3 times. It now rests on a Fairchild Falcon 20 flying a 3,000 feet. All eyewitnees claim it was flying lower, and there is no Fairchile Falcon 20 in the area accoring to flight plans.

General things of intrest:
-Pentagon brasss cancled thier flights for Sept. 11
-Rice called a san francisio mayor and told him not to fly sept. 11.
-It is not binladen in the confession tape. He looks nothing like him, is wearing a watch and a wring, and is writing with his right hand, altough he is right haneed. This tapewas found, not sent to them.

-binLaden claims he didn't do it. [Not saying trust him, but it kinda contradicts his own confession tape.]

7 out of the 8 indestuructable black boxes were destroyed. Yet a paper passport fly out of a blown up airplane, throguha burining buling, through a clodu of buring jet fuels, and lands unharmed at the feet of the FBI, who use it to implicate BinLaden.

9 of the Hijackers are still alive. Huh, thats odd.

The governemtn orderd figheters out of the united sates and away from NYC and washington.

There is a lot more stuff, but i dont want to post it all.
Not acceptable responsise:
Unpatroitoic.
OMGLOLZORZ THEY DONT KNOW THE DIFFERNCE BETWEEN A CRUISE AND AN AT MISSLE
Bunhca dammend hippie kids
Learn how to spell
Hey, your'e not a ninja!

Im fairly sure this isn't true, but i does make you think a litte.


Little fact, the guys that made this crap only want to corrupt people into believing this crap so they can try and kick bush out of office just cause of the iraq war.

First if you notice, the "missiles" are not missiles, but they are luggage cargo, thats the belly of the plane, every airliner has them. And oh yeah the tip of the missile, more like tip of the nose on the airplane. And no there wasn't an explosion before the plane hit, that was all video hopped.

Two, Bin Laden did say he did it, and he is the mastermind on the 9/11 plot, so that pretty much screws up the conspiracy theory.

Three, yes a plane did hit the pentagon, there were pieces from the commercial airliner on American airlines.

Four, I'm only 16 and all, but if you were told there would be a terrorist strike in a couple of days, what the hell would you have done? Come on, I can see a naval assault because that'd actually be the most sensible way of killing alot of people without killing yourself. But hijack an airplane, 30% chance, and that 30% chance was right. After 9/11 all airliners have an undercover guy with a gun on every flight. So now it's very unlikely we'll be seeing any terrorist attacks from the waters to the air, it'd just be explosions, trying to bomb buildings. I don't want to sound anti-american, but if they were going to bomb a city, I wish it was LA or San Francisco.

Oh? You wanna go, fool-unit?

How about AXIS AND ALLIES, ho!

*ghetto snap*

Do you know what's better than the Axis and Allies board game? The (older) computer version. No pieces to set up or put away. It sells on eBay for maybe $10 usd (not in a box though). The only bad thing is, the iron blitz expansion (with the destroyers and other optional rules) is rare and expensive (over $100 last time I looked).

I don't think it was staged at all or that the administration was involved because

1) If it were faked, they would've blamed some Iraqis and Afghans as the hijackers, not a bunch of Saudis.
2) If it were faked, Bush wouldn't have received a memo that said that BIN LADEN was trying to hijack planes in the US, nor would that memo ever have seen the light of day (it was an embarrassment).
3) There may have been more bombs planted, but they could have easily been put there by as-Qaeda operatives.
4) Somebody would have come out about this whole thing-- it takes a lot of people to organize a cover-up that massive, and you can't keep 'em all silent.

I don't think it was staged at all or that the administration was involved because

1) If it were faked, they would've blamed some Iraqis and Afghans as the hijackers, not a bunch of Saudis.
2) If it were faked, Bush wouldn't have received a memo that said that BIN LADEN was trying to hijack planes in the US, nor would that memo ever have seen the light of day (it was an embarrassment).
3) There may have been more bombs planted, but they could have easily been put there by as-Qaeda operatives.
4) Somebody would have come out about this whole thing-- it takes a lot of people to organize a cover-up that massive, and you can't keep 'em all silent.


lol

911 Myths Website. (http://www.911myths.com/index.html)

That site has allot of info debunking this idiocy.

This Microsoft Word doc also has some valuable info debunking this foolishness... (http://www.911myths.com/911_loose_change_2_guide_1.doc)

There are 3 sides to every story. Yours, mine, and the truth. The third of which will never be known.

the 9/11 conspiracy theories have been debunked already.

If it was a conspiracy by the US government, then why did this come out today?

(CNN) -- Al Qaeda identified a Saudi militant, who was killed in 2004, as the 20th hijacker in the September 11, 2001, attack on the United States, according to a statement published Tuesday on an Islamist Web site.

"Turki bin Fheid al-Muteiri -- Fawaz al-Nashmi -- may God accept him as a martyr (was) the one chosen by Sheikh Osama bin Laden to be the martyrdom-seeker number 20 in the raid on September 11, 2001," the statement said.

Al-Muteiri was not able to join the other hijackers in time for those attacks, the date of which had been pushed forward, the group said without elaborating.

"The (Sept. 11) operation was brought forward for some circumstances that brother Mohamed Atta explained to the general leadership, through brother Ramzi Binalshibh, God free him," the statement added.

I think it is just easier to say it was the terrorists, you know, the guys who said they did it.

How many times have these things showed up on these forums?

How many times have these things showed up on these forums?
Well, here's the problem as I see it. Political forums like this are a magnate for conspiracy theorists so any newbie that shows up that wasnt' here for the last one will post this shit again thinking he's imparting a revelation to us all. :headbang:

It'll never stop. :(

I don't think it was staged at all or that the administration was involved because

1) If it were faked, they would've blamed some Iraqis and Afghans as the hijackers, not a bunch of Saudis.
2) If it were faked, Bush wouldn't have received a memo that said that BIN LADEN was trying to hijack planes in the US, nor would that memo ever have seen the light of day (it was an embarrassment).
3) There may have been more bombs planted, but they could have easily been put there by as-Qaeda operatives.
4) Somebody would have come out about this whole thing-- it takes a lot of people to organize a cover-up that massive, and you can't keep 'em all silent.


The one thing that proves its not a US government conspiracy,(apart from the sheer numbers of people that would have had to been involved if it was) was the fate of flight 93.
If a missile was fired into the pentagon in place of the airliner that actually hit, then it would follow that the same (or a different) missile crew would have to fire a missile into whichever target flight 93 was aimed at.
The missile crew would be unaware of flight 93's fate and would have fired the missile.
There was no explosion in DC that day apart from the pentagon... so there was no conspiracy.

And to all the naaww naww it was an inside job people...... why dont you get some e-d-u-c-a-t-i-o-n about stuff like controlled demolition, yield stress in steel under tension at 700 degrees C and aircraft debris analyis instead of relying on whatever BS gets put on the internet.:headbang:


Note to mods.... please kill all these threads....... and the nutjobs who post them:gundge:

4) Somebody would have come out about this whole thing-- it takes a lot of people to organize a cover-up that massive, and you can't keep 'em all silent.

No one's let anything slip about the Moon landings, or Kennedy, or .....


I've said too much already. Forget I posted. ;)

There are 3 sides to every story. Yours, mine, and the truth. The third of which will never be known.

truth ( P ) Pronunciation Key (trth)
n. pl. truths (trthz, trths)

1. Conformity to fact or actuality.
2. A statement proven to be or accepted as true.


There is no such thing as the 'truth'. There is only an explanation that is widely assumed/accepted to be the correct course of events by a majority of people. Therefore, the truth can change. As it has often done in the past.


And on topic: For me, the official explanation to the events that occured on 9/11 as given by the US government has been debunked a long time ago. Just too many logical flaws, errors and practical impossibilities. And pretty much all of the conspiracy theories I've seen are lame and in some way or another incorrect.

So, yep, I'm stuck somewhere in the middle. Not caring and I've given up on ever fiding out what 'really' happened.

How many times have these things showed up on these forums?

Every other week apparently.

Hes left handed. Forgot to mention that.
And im new here....havnetseen one of these thread before.

Hey you're not a Ninja. And I think you're a Noob!

Well, here's the problem as I see it. Political forums like this are a magnate for conspiracy theorists so any newbie that shows up that wasnt' here for the last one will post this shit again thinking he's imparting a revelation to us all. :headbang:

It'll never stop. :(

That's because they are fools Dan.

From now on I'm putting every person who posts a thread like this on my Ignore lists, I suggest everyone else do the same. Maybe when no one answers their OMG MUST TELL WORLD news. They'll stop.

And on topic: For me, the official explanation to the events that occured on 9/11 as given by the US government has been debunked a long time ago. Just too many logical flaws, errors and practical impossibilities.

Like what, exactly?

And on topic: For me, the official explanation to the events that occured on 9/11 as given by the US government has been debunked a long time ago. Just too many logical flaws, errors and practical impossibilities. And pretty much all of the conspiracy theories I've seen are lame and in some way or another incorrect.

Care to back up your assertion that it has been debunked along time ago? I know the conspiracies have been debunked for a long time now so care to provide the proof that hasn't been debunked yet?

So, yep, I'm stuck somewhere in the middle. Not caring and I've given up on ever fiding out what 'really' happened.

That's because its already out there on what really happened.

Well we all know it's the evil, commie/athiest/zionist/alien/government conspiracy that is behind this. They are also behind the depression, and world war 2. They are also responsible for the obviously evil black helicopters sending evil mind control rays making it so that other people don't believe you and think you're are stupid for wearing a tin foil hat. Mwu ha ha ha ha ha ha.

I honestly don't think Bush is smart enough to organise something like this, conspiracy theorists are giving him way to much credit. It was some obivously some insane islamic funadmentalist terrorists who got lucky in an attack, and managed to get through due to gross incompetance of the millitary.

gross incompetance of the millitary.

I was going to give you kudos till I came to this gem. There was nothing the military could do. The CIA and the FBI and the NSA on the other hand...

Well, here's the problem as I see it. Political forums like this are a magnate for conspiracy theorists so any newbie that shows up that wasnt' here for the last one will post this shit again thinking he's imparting a revelation to us all. :headbang:

It'll never stop. :(
Hey, thats exactly what i was thinking! Sorry for bringing something that was new and intersting to me for everyone else to discuss!

lol
Ya, I know, really.

Most of these things you posted on how that 9/11 exploded by a bomb are most certainly crazy. And this -There is not evidence of a 757 anywhre in teh debris. There are only 3 indetifible parts, all from a Millirat Aircraft.[A-4] that is because the plane was incinerated as soon as it crashed. all the bits and pieces you would see on the ground is the plane. If what you all said is true than who planted a bomb on the WTC. The only way to find out if what you said is true is to have someone tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth, or you build a time machine and see what really happened.

I was going to give you kudos till I came to this gem. There was nothing the military could do. The CIA and the FBI and the NSA on the other hand...

Sorry let me correct myself, incompetance from the intellegence agencies. But still the point stand's bush isn't capable of that level of creativity.