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Someone linked me to this, an article about "snuff" films in which children are murdered on camera:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,375883,00.html

I am shoched and appalled that anything like this exists.

Waiting for pantless to insist that this is all done by Americans...

Waiting for pantless to insist that this is all done by Americans...


lol anything for a rant huh?

Sick minded fucks.

lol anything for a rant huh?
Well, he and Muravyets have to rant a lot. I think they have a lot of pent up frustration over the US in general, and have no way to let it out.

any "snuff" film is disgusting, and whoever made them should have their ass hauled to prision for life

My lord.

I hope he has a fun time in the Russian prison he will soon find himself in.

Faith in humanity? Ya I remember that stuff. That was good.

Well, he and Muravyets have to rant a lot. I think they have a lot of pent up frustration over the US in general, and have no way to let it out.


or they just need to get laid.

Well that was unpleasant in the extreme.

this is jsut sick


The Naples newspaper Il Mattino published a transcript of an alleged email exchange between a prospective client and the Russian vendors.

'Promise me you're not ripping me off,' says the Italian.

'Relax, I can assure you this one really dies,' the Russian responds.

'The last time I paid and I didn't get what I wanted.'

'What do you want?'

'To see them die.'

My lord.

I hope he has a fun time in the Russian prison he will soon find himself in.

It's been quite a while. That article was dated 2000.

Well that was unpleasant in the extreme.
As I keep pointing out, the world is by and large an unpleasant place, full of unpleasant people doing unpleasant things, but every time I mention it, people say I'm a bad person for pointing it out.

or they just need to get laid.
Almost everyone on NS needs to get laid.

Almost everyone on NS needs to get laid.
You should do what I do, and take up swinging.

Almost everyone on NS needs to get laid.


not this guy.


there needs to be a massive NS orgy, that way everyones sexual frustration and nerdy desires will be fulfilled

eergh, hang the bastard, and im normally a mild tempered kinda guy

It's been quite a while. That article was dated 2000.

Oh.

Well, one can still hope.

not this guy.


there needs to be a massive NS orgy, that way everyones sexual frustration and nerdy desires will be fulfilled

*cough*bullshit*cough*

I got a little sick just reading that.

As I keep pointing out, the world is by and large an unpleasant place, full of unpleasant people doing unpleasant things, but every time I mention it, people say I'm a bad person for pointing it out.



Gotta agree with you. The world is by and large an ugly place and life in general is short brutal and ugly. We are extremely fortunate.

It's times like this; I wonder why we just don't launch everything and end mankind. We at least earned it when Barney was brought into the world! ;)


Hmmm I wonder how long before some posts they aren't really pedophiles?

It's times like this; I wonder why we just don't launch everything and end mankind. We at least earned it when Barney was brought into the world! ;)


After a suggestion like that, how long before someone says that Black Forrest is advocating genocide like DK...

As I keep pointing out, the world is by and large an unpleasant place, full of unpleasant people doing unpleasant things, but every time I mention it, people say I'm a bad person for pointing it out.

I thought they pointed it out because you are from Virgina. :p

*cough*bullshit*cough*


lol far from it, i live with my gf, so sex is never really an issue with me.

Someone linked me to this, an article about "snuff" films in which children are murdered on camera:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,375883,00.html

I am shoched and appalled that anything like this exists.


Thats fucking disgusting. These animals should really be hunted, trapped and exterminated relentlessly.

Damn. That's harsh.

I'd read once, and believed, that snuff films were fake. That nobody would risk murdering someone on tape then be dumb enough to risk distributing it. Guess I was wrong. So does Russia have the death sentence?

I'd read once, and believed, that snuff films were fake. That nobody would risk murdering someone on tape then be dumb enough to risk distributing it. Guess I was wrong. So does Russia have the death sentence?


I'd never heard of a snuff film involving children til now.

We hit new lows all the time.

I'd read once, and believed, that snuff films were fake. That nobody would risk murdering someone on tape then be dumb enough to risk distributing it. Guess I was wrong. So does Russia have the death sentence?

Criminals tape themselves committing crimes, so that when police catch them, they have furnished evidence against themselves!

With all the digital cameras around, why wouldn't someone tape themselves killing someone?

People never think that they will get caught--witness the fact that they always try to out-drive the cops, and they always get caught. Criminals have high self-esteem, they think they can do anything.:( :mp5:

P.S. I will not read the original article. I don't need more evidence of evil in my already overloaded brain.

Someone linked me to this, an article about "snuff" films in which children are murdered on camera:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,375883,00.html

I am shoched and appalled that anything like this exists.
What?! That's just very bad, man.

That's wrong. VERY wrong.

Wait, wait.

*Gets back to reality*

I AM SHOCKED AND APALLED THESE PEOPLE-NO, DEMONSMURDER CHILDREN ON TAPE, AND PUT IT ON THE GODDAMN INTERNET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!THESE DEMONS SHOULD BE EXECUTED, AND THEN BE EATEN BY WOLVES AND SHARKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CHILDREN ARE OUR FUCKING FUTURE, GODDAMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE VERY SHITTY EXISTENCE OF THESE DEMONS MAKES ME WANNA SCREAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:upyours: :upyours: :sniper: :sniper: :mp5: :mp5: :gundge: :gundge: :eek: :eek:

i feel ill, that's appalling

What?! That's just very bad, man.

That's wrong. VERY wrong.

Wait, wait.

*Gets back to reality*

I AM SHOCKED AND APALLED THESE PEOPLE-NO, DEMONSMURDER CHILDREN ON TAPE, AND PUT IT ON THE GODDAMN INTERNET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!THESE DEMONS SHOULD BE EXECUTED, AND THEN BE EATEN BY WOLVES AND SHARKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CHILDREN ARE OUR FUCKING FUTURE, GODDAMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE VERY SHITTY EXISTENCE OF THESE DEMONS MAKES ME WANNA SCREAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:upyours: :upyours: :sniper: :sniper: :mp5: :mp5: :gundge: :gundge: :eek: :eek:

well, I disagree

they shoudlnt be killed

they should be tortured everyday until they die
and the torture shodulnt be so they can die, it should let them live

What?!
I hope to god you're not the future..

well, I disagree

they shoudlnt be killed

they should be tortured everyday until they die
and the torture shodulnt be so they can die, it should let them live

24X7 Solitary confinement in a spiky room.

If they stop eating, they get force fed.

wow, what a bunch of unpleasant posts. Especially all the oversized, bold print. Come on now, we're all capable of composing ourselves like adults here. That sort of outburst is not something that would be tolerated in polite company, and it shouldn't have to be tolerated on a forum either. Get a hold of yourself. If you find something appalling, say "That's appalling." We don't need to know that you hope these people are dipped in honey and rolled in maggots or whatever.

Personally, i don't have much of a problem with snuff films in general, since most victims present themselves willingly, on the condition of their families being compensated. The case of children is more delicate, naturally. Especially in these cases where they are allegedly falsely solicited. Even so, i don't think their actions warrant the sort of lawless mob reaction that's being splashed all over here; let them be given a fair trial and sentenced under the statutes of the Geneva Convention. What's so wrong with letting the agreed upon procedures take their course?

You know, I don't approve of torture or capital punishment...

...But we should be allowed to torture these people to death.

You know, I don't approve of torture or capital punishment...

...But we should be allowed to torture these people to death.
Completely agree.

Criminals tape themselves committing crimes, so that when police catch them, they have furnished evidence against themselves!

With all the digital cameras around, why wouldn't someone tape themselves killing someone?

People never think that they will get caught--witness the fact that they always try to out-drive the cops, and they always get caught. Criminals have high self-esteem, they think they can do anything.:( :mp5:

P.S. I will not read the original article. I don't need more evidence of evil in my already overloaded brain.
Most dumb criminals who tape their crimes are still not dumb enough to sell the tapes.

What?! That's just very bad, man.

That's wrong. VERY wrong.

Wait, wait.

*Gets back to reality*

I AM SHOCKED AND APALLED THESE PEOPLE-NO, DEMONSMURDER CHILDREN ON TAPE, AND PUT IT ON THE GODDAMN INTERNET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!THESE DEMONS SHOULD BE EXECUTED, AND THEN BE EATEN BY WOLVES AND SHARKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CHILDREN ARE OUR FUCKING FUTURE, GODDAMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE VERY SHITTY EXISTENCE OF THESE DEMONS MAKES ME WANNA SCREAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:upyours: :upyours: :sniper: :sniper: :mp5: :mp5: :gundge: :gundge: :eek: :eek:
They're not demons, they're people. Let's not forget that the human animal is capable of such things. If they were demons it wouldn't be as shocking. The fact that people did this means we have to take a harder look at what kinds of scum walk among us and what we should do about it.

Anyone seen that video where the woman screams for mercy and then gets shot in the head, splattering her brains all over the wall? It only lasts like 5 seconds, and id watched it before i realised.
One of my friends sent me that as a joke:(

You know, I don't approve of torture or capital punishment...

...But we should be allowed to torture these people to death.
It makes you as bad as them. No-one deserves to be tortured, even if they have done something like that. Prison maybe, but surely there has to be something wrong with these people if they find enjoyment in this sort of stuff? Maybe enough wrong to consider it a mental illness?

Liasia']It makes you as bad as them. No-one deserves to be tortured, even if they have done something like that. Prison maybe, but surely there has to be something wrong with these people if they find enjoyment in this sort of stuff? Maybe enough wrong to consider it a mental illness?

Bravo. i was starting to think i was the only one here not screaming "Lynch the bastards! Get the torches and pitchforks!"

Liasia']Anyone seen that video where the woman screams for mercy and then gets shot in the head, splattering her brains all over the wall? It only lasts like 5 seconds, and id watched it before i realised.
One of my friends sent me that as a joke:(
If it's the one where she screams "Snuff films aren't real" or something then I've seen it. I think it's fake, but very realistically done. Maybe I just hope it's fake.

As far as I remember reading, none of the snuff films are actually real.

From the Snuff Films Wiki article:
To date, no example of a film of an actual murder that was created for commercial entertainment and distribution purposes has ever surfaced, leading to a common theory that they do not exist.

Liasia']It makes you as bad as them. No-one deserves to be tortured, even if they have done something like that. Prison maybe, but surely there has to be something wrong with these people if they find enjoyment in this sort of stuff? Maybe enough wrong to consider it a mental illness?
You're wrong.

I'm a bad person, but I'm not nearly as bad as someone who rapes and murders kids for enjoyment.

And, no, these people don't deserve to be coddled by the state. If you don't want to torture them, fine, but you yourself admitted that these people are sick. And what do you do to a really sick dog?

You put it down.

Liasia']Anyone seen that video where the woman screams for mercy and then gets shot in the head, splattering her brains all over the wall? It only lasts like 5 seconds, and id watched it before i realised.
One of my friends sent me that as a joke:(
your friends are sick

and what the hell is up with that video?

You're wrong.

I'm a bad person, but I'm not nearly as bad as someone who rapes and murders kids for enjoyment.

And, no, these people don't deserve to be coddled by the state. If you don't want to torture them, fine, but you yourself admitted that these people are sick. And what do you do to a really sick dog?

You put it down.
Not if the dog is salvagegable. but of course it is easier to eradicate the evidence of the problem instead of examining it's root, or making an effort to understand these (obviously) mentally sick people.
Thing is people, even people like that, are not dogs.

your friends are sick

and what the hell is up with that video?
He's a teenager who wants to be in the military and has unlimited acess to the internet. So he's obviously gonna find some unsavoury stuff.
Apparently it was a video of some woman in iraq *shrugs*

And, no, these people don't deserve to be coddled by the state. If you don't want to torture them, fine, but you yourself admitted that these people are sick. And what do you do to a really sick dog?

You consider dogs and humans to be on the same level? :confused:

Does this mean you're an advocate of humans owning other humans, and of humans being put down when they're owner doesn't want them anymore?

Liasia']Not if the dog is salvagegable. but of course it is easier to eradicate the evidence of the problem instead of examining it's root, or making an effort to understand these (obviously) mentally sick people.
Thing is people, even people like that, are not dogs.
You're right. People are worse than dogs, and, since pedophiles do what they do of their own volition, unlike a dog with rabies, they deserve harsher treatment.

Personally, i don't have much of a problem with snuff films in general, since most victims present themselves willingly, on the condition of their families being compensated. The case of children is more delicate, naturally. Especially in these cases where they are allegedly falsely solicited. Even so, i don't think their actions warrant the sort of lawless mob reaction that's being splashed all over here; let them be given a fair trial and sentenced under the statutes of the Geneva Convention. What's so wrong with letting the agreed upon procedures take their course?


Bullshit, No one willingly presents themselves for snuff films. That is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Victims of these films are kidnapped raped and murdered on film. And the fact that you say you have no problem with that makes you a very sick person.

Bravo. i was starting to think i was the only one here not screaming "Lynch the bastards! Get the torches and pitchforks!"
It's the same with paedophiles. People get quite.. worked up, shall we say.

Bullshit, No one willingly presents themselves for snuff films. That is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Victims of these films are kidnapped raped and murdered on film. And the fact that you say you have no problem with that makes you a very sick person.

Well, they would, if these films were actually real.

You're right. People are worse than dogs, and, since pedophiles do what they do of their own volition, unlike a dog with rabies, they deserve harsher treatment.
Bullshit. There is something wrong with these people. But whatever, ignorance is bliss.

Liasia']Bullshit. There is something wrong with these people. But whatever, ignorance is bliss.
Bullshit? You think people are better than dogs? Don't know about you, but I've never seen a dog commit genocide.
And you think I'm ignorant? No I know exactly what's wrong with them: They Are Bad. And they deserve, at the best, a swift and merciful death.

Well, they would, if these films were actually real.

Are you saying the article was a fake?

It claimed that the cops found alot of them.

You consider dogs and humans to be on the same level? :confused:

Does this mean you're an advocate of humans owning other humans, and of humans being put down when they're owner doesn't want them anymore?
No, I consider dogs to be far superior.
And I don't even really like dogs...

Bullshit? You think people are better than dogs? Don't know about you, but I've never seen a dog commit genocide.
And you think I'm ignorant? No I know exactly what's wrong with them: They Are Bad. And they deserve, at the best, a swift and merciful death.
I think if dogs had the capability to commit genocide, they most likely would. As it stands, i don't even think you can morally compare the two.
Well i think they deserve at least a BIT of oh i don't know, compassion. Unless you want to start killing every criminal of course.

Edit: thinking about it, dogs are superior. In that they can lick their own balls in public without getting strange looks. If i try it, i get locked up. What has this country come to:(

i'm not going to bother adressing the ad hominem arguments i got any more than just telling those making them that they should get some real arguments. i do think it's worth mentioning however, that line came from wikipedia. The poster could have written it before they cited it, for all you know. Still, it does bring up the interesting premise that, if all snuff films are faked, then who is the less moral, the crew that fakes them, or the people who buy them thinking they're genuine? (Or the people who clamor for the blood of either, for that matter...)

Liasia']I think if dogs had the capability to commit genocide, they most likely would. As it stands, i don't even think you can morally compare the two.
Well i think they deserve at least a BIT of oh i don't know, compassion. Unless you want to start killing every criminal of course.
I'm not a TOTAL hardliner. As I said above, I'm against capital punishment, and I think that crimes like theft, drug abuse, and even murder, are social ills, which should be treated.
Rape and pedophilia, however, should be met with zero-tolerance.

Are you saying the article was a fake?

It claimed that the cops found alot of them.

Everything I've ever read about them suggests that they're all fake. Very good fakes, but fakes nonetheless.

Snopes (http://www.snopes2.com/horrors/madmen/snuff.htm) to the rescue...
Claim: Films are routinely made for distribution in which participants are murdered on camera.

Status: False.

Origins: All the fretting about it aside, not so much as one snuff film has been found. Time and again, what is originally decried in the press as a film of a murder turns out, upon further investigation, to be a fake. Police on three continents routinely investigate films brought to them, and so far this has always been their verdict. No snuff films. Some clever fakes, yes. But no real product.

I'm not a TOTAL hardliner. As I said above, I'm against capital punishment, and I think that crimes like theft, drug abuse, and even murder, are social ills, which should be treated.
Rape and pedophilia, however, should be met with zero-tolerance.
Why, because the media tells you so? How ON EARTH can you consider rape worse than murder....
Drug abuse is'nt even a social ill, but that's a wee bit off topic.

By the Wikipedia article's own citation, the statement

"To date, no example of a film of an actual murder that was created for commercial entertainment and distribution purposes has ever surfaced, leading to a common theory that they do not exist."

was taken from a single study, from 1992 no less, and their source material (Mostly super 8 videos, it should be noted) included no self-styled snuff films.
http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume4/j4_2_1.htm

i cannot imagine why a study undergone almost 15 years ago that did not specifically study any alleged snuff films could not be used to refute the existance of snuff films. After all, as long as we don't look for any, we can't find any evidence, right?

/sarcasm

Everything I've ever read about them suggests that they're all fake. Very good fakes, but fakes nonetheless.

Snopes (http://www.snopes2.com/horrors/madmen/snuff.htm) to the rescue...

This snopes article is much more compelling than the wiki one, and i will retract my position that snuff films are a factual phenomenon until i have an equal refutation. My position that the wikipedia article doesn't have a leg to stand on remains.

...What...is...this?...

...What...is...this?...

This is an online forum. Webster's Dictionary defines a Forum as: "1 a : the marketplace or public place of an ancient Roman city forming the center of judicial and public business b : a public meeting place for open discussion c : a medium (as a newspaper) of open discussion or expression of ideas
2 : a judicial body or assembly : COURT
3 a : a public meeting or lecture involving audience discussion b : a program (as on radio or television) involving discussion of a problem usually by several authorities."

In this case, definitions 1b and 1c are the relevant ones. More specifically, this is a discussion where it seems we're well on our way to spreading the news that snuff films don't exist.

By the Wikipedia article's own citation, the statement

"To date, no example of a film of an actual murder that was created for commercial entertainment and distribution purposes has ever surfaced, leading to a common theory that they do not exist."

was taken from a single study, from 1992 no less, and their source material (Mostly super 8 videos, it should be noted) included no self-styled snuff films.
http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume4/j4_2_1.htm

i cannot imagine why a study undergone almost 15 years ago that did not specifically study any alleged snuff films could not be used to refute the existance of snuff films. After all, as long as we don't look for any, we can't find any evidence, right?

/sarcasm
I think it can still be taken as a valid source, they saw no evidence of snuff films existing, and nobody had ever heard of, or seen, a real one. And they pointed out the collections of people they were talking to, and that no police force had ever found one.

And, of course, nobody needs to point out that an amount of what is written on Wiki shouldn't be believed straight off, but it does usually provide a good poinr

Liasia']Why, because the media tells you so? How ON EARTH can you consider rape worse than murder....
Drug abuse is'nt even a social ill, but that's a wee bit off topic.
Uh, which media tells me what? And, anyway, if you think murder is worse than rape... well, you obviously don't know much about the psychological effects of rape. If you're murdered, it's just OVER. Rape fucks you up for a long time.

And drug use isn't a social ill, drug abuse is.

I think it can still be taken as a valid source, they saw no evidence of snuff films existing, and nobody had ever heard of, or seen, a real one. And they pointed out the collections of people they were talking to, and that no police force had ever found one.

And, of course, nobody needs to point out that an amount of what is written on Wiki shouldn't be believed straight off, but it does usually provide a good poinr

The wording of the article that was cited is, just in terms of the working syntax of logic, if you'll forgive the first analogy that came to mind; the equivalent of saying "We studied numerous horses, zebras and several tarpans, and found no evidence that any of them was a verifiable unicorn."

Okay, so, honestly - you're saying all the videos he had were faked? I find that hard to believe. Why not just kill the kids? They're gonna get away and tell people if you don't kill them, and you might as well kill them on camera if that's what you're selling in the first place.

It makes no sense.

If someone went and took up that million dollars that Al guy is giving up for proof of snuff films, they'd be charged for making and/or abedding a fucking killer! You have to assume they're smarter than that.

People die every second. Why's it so hard to believe a death or two would be filmed, and sold as such? There are websites for torture, so there's obviously an interest. If someone is interested in torture, they'd most likely be interested in death because it's just one step further.

The prurience of human nature being what it is, it's not unreasonable to assume if the films existed, there would be those willing to pay to have them. This assumption lies at the heart of the belief that the distribution network is in place. However, fears that a market for such offerings exists are unfounded; even if the market did exist, the product to satisfy it is not there. Hence, there's no market.

That's like saying there's no such thing as a network of child porn because "the product to satisfy it is not there" - it is, because children are abused.

It's insanity to believe there's absolutely no such thing, especially when a case of it has been found in the article in the OP! How dense and cynical do you have to be to not see the truth that a section of humanity is an extreme of cruel to where most would rather not have it exist at all?

The wording of the article that was cited is, just in terms of the working syntax of logic, if you'll forgive the first analogy that came to mind; the equivalent of saying "We studied numerous horses, zebras and several tarpans, and found no evidence that any of them was a verifiable unicorn."

To be honest, that's a pretty poor analogy :p

To be honest, that's a pretty poor analogy :p

Okay, forget the analogy then. Let's just paraphrase: "We studied numerous things that were not the thing we were looking for, and did not find any evidence of what we were looking for."

Okay, forget the analogy then. Let's just paraphrase: "We studied numerous things that were not the thing we were looking for, and did not find any evidence of what we were looking for."

I prefer the more accurate "we looked at a lot of things that could have been it, looked in a lot of places where it would have been, asked alot of people who would have known, and it turns out it doesn't exist."

I prefer the more accurate "we looked at a lot of things that could have been it, looked in a lot of places where it would have been, asked alot of people who would have known, and it turns out it doesn't exist."

i'd prefer if that's what the article had said as well; then it wouldn't be misleading to use it as evidence ;)

i'd prefer if that's what the article had said as well; then it wouldn't be misleading to use it as evidence ;)

Well, that's how I read it.

So, yeah, just ignore everything I said and insist it still doesn't exist. Okay.

So, yeah, just ignore everything I said and insist it still doesn't exist. Okay.
What do you want, a cookie?

What do you want, a cookie?

Some ramen would be nice, and an acceptance that there are videos of death being sold to people.

If we don't accept it to exist we can never solve the problem.

Some ramen would be nice, and an acceptance that there are videos of death being sold to people.

If we don't accept it to exist we can never solve the problem.

Who doesn't accept it? Did I miss someone's idiot post again?

Skipped most of the previous posts...

But what is it and people on NS linking to OLD news?!

That news page is 6 years old... last thing I saw linked to was in the mid 90's

Yes its shocking etc... but its old.. let it die...

Good god!!! that is just really ...gross nasty and all around Sick. fuck those bastards!!! May they burn in hell!!!!

Some ramen would be nice, and an acceptance that there are videos of death being sold to people.

If we don't accept it to exist we can never solve the problem.
Well, I've already been accepting it. Or, at least, I haven't been denying it.

Most of my posts have been about what we should do to the perpetrators.

Anyways, here's 15 cents for the ramen. Enjoy.

So, yeah, just ignore everything I said and insist it still doesn't exist. Okay.
We ignore it because there is no proof that it is real. We have an article from the Guardian, which has a tendancy to go for the extream without checking up again. Said article is also 6 years old with no follow up... if this was really the case, don't you think it would have been waved in the air and screamed from the highest mountains by the normal guardians of morality and decentcy?

Again, to date, no real snuff films have been found.Does that mean they don't exist somewhere in the dark underbelly of the world? No, they could. But so too could the invisable dragon in your house, but since I can't find it I am inclined to disbelieve that as well.

Uh, which media tells me what? And, anyway, if you think murder is worse than rape... well, you obviously don't know much about the psychological effects of rape. If you're murdered, it's just OVER. Rape fucks you up for a long time.

And drug use isn't a social ill, drug abuse is.
People recover from rape, i have yet to see anyone (excpet jesus, obviously:rolleyes: ) recover from murder. I have to say i would rather be raped than murdered.

The media thing.. they-as in all media, especially the sun and other tabloids- have created this fixation with paedophiles which im pretty sure wasn't quite as prevalent 10 years ago.

Liasia']People recover from rape, i have yet to see anyone (excpet jesus, obviously:rolleyes: ) recover from murder. I have to say i would rather be raped than murdered.

The media thing.. they-as in all media, especially the sun and other tabloids- have created this fixation with paedophiles which im pretty sure wasn't quite as prevalent 10 years ago.
Wait wait wait... You saw the Resurrection? What the hell are you doing here, get to the Vatican, ASAP!!! :rolleyes:

If you'd rather be raped than murdered... well, then you must have a pretty good life or something. Personally I think it's better to be forcefully penetrated by a bullet than a penis.

Also, I didn't get my hatred of pedophiles from tabloids, I got it from my scruples.

Internestingly, a Google search turns up the orginal article on the Observer (sorry, I had the wrong name) and a whole bunch of forums dedicated to pointing out that the perps were/are Jewish. There is nothing else in the main stream media about this and no follow ups regarding the outcome of the investigations.

My invisible dragon can kick your invisible dragon's ass.

Like I said, it only makes sense for there to be snuff films - there's a market for it. Certain people are predisposed to enjoy seeing someone tortured or murdered. You can't just look at someone and go "Shit, that guy's obviously watched a snuff movie or two for kicks" because like the article said, they're fathers and husbands and businessmen, along with the creeps we'd normally expect.

There's a market for child porn, so there's child porn. There's a market for drugs, so there's drugs. There's a market for snuff films - there's no snuff films? I'll say it again, it doesn't make sense.

If you'd rather be raped than murdered... well, then you must have a pretty good life or something. Personally I think it's better to be forcefully penetrated by a bullet than a penis.

Also, I didn't get my hatred of pedophiles from tabloids, I got it from my scruples.
To be honest, thats a bit silly. Being able to continue and try to recover or just end your life.. out of the two, i'd choose living. Interesting to see you assume a male will be doing the rapery.

I don't think people would be as aware and constantly moaning about paedophiles if it weren't for the constant stories in the press showing how 'your children are at risk'.

My invisible dragon can kick your invisible dragon's ass.

Like I said, it only makes sense for there to be snuff films - there's a market for it. Certain people are predisposed to enjoy seeing someone tortured or murdered. You can't just look at someone and go "Shit, that guy's obviously watched a snuff movie or two for kicks" because like the article said, they're fathers and husbands and businessmen, along with the creeps we'd normally expect.

There's a market for child porn, so there's child porn. There's a market for drugs, so there's drugs. There's a market for snuff films - there's no snuff films? I'll say it again, it doesn't make sense.
Can you show said market? Can you show it exists in great enough numbers to actually take the chance of delberately making said films (again, idiots who put their crimes to video usually ain't too bright, salesmen can't be dumb to make money).

Finally, SHOW ME one (not literally). For all that we have heard of them, we still have not had a single authentic one actually come to light. If it was really out there, if there was as big a market as you claim, surely it would have been found an authenticated by now. We have found kiddy porn (sadly), but never have we found an authentic snuff film.

So if they're there, where the hell are they and why haven't they been found?