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The UPS guy was a little set back when I purchased 600$ worth of insurance. "Why?" he asked. I replied "Well, I'm shipping a gun".

Romanian AKM, so I said 16 inches.

"Well its less than 18 inches so I need to open it up and call the police."

in total shock I respond "what are you getting at? This is a rifle, the barrel is at least 16 inches long, the overall length is at least 26 inches.....you can open it if you want but why?!"

"rifles with short barrels of less than 18 inches need to be shipped by a firearms dealer, you need to read up on your firearms rules. That's from the department of transportation."

now holding back tears "You mean the ATF?"

The clerk goes to get the bible of shipping regs and flips to the page concerning firearms. "Pistols and shotguns of short length considered short barreled...." I think he was actually making up what he was reading out loud.

I stopped him mid sentence. "this isn't a pistol, its not a shotgun."

About 5 minutes later I spoke up, "I can go home and print out the ATF regs on shipping firearms, it would only take a minute."

But he didn't seem to care at that point. I'm guessing he got to the part where he thought I was wrong.

Its always something but until today I've never been threatened with a "call to the police" What is wrong with people today? :eek:

It helps to know your local ATF field office personnel. They can straighten this out in 30 seconds.

Just out of interest, how many guns do you have DM?

It helps to know your local ATF field office personnel. They can straighten this out in 30 seconds.

I don't even think an ATF agent would be able to straighten out some people Grrr....

You could just go to a different shipping place, and not tell them that you are shipping a firearm.

I don't even think an ATF agent would be able to straighten out some people Grrr....
The field office people are very friendly, and very helpful.

I've had them straighten out the brainless people who work at WalMart.

The UPS guy was a little set back when I purchased 600$ worth of insurance. "Why?" he asked. I replied "Well, I'm shipping a gun".

Romanian AKM, so I said 16 inches.

"Well its less than 18 inches so I need to open it up and call the police."

in total shock I respond "what are you getting at? This is a rifle, the barrel is at least 16 inches long, the overall length is at least 26 inches.....you can open it if you want but why?!"

"rifles with short barrels of less than 18 inches need to be shipped by a firearms dealer, you need to read up on your firearms rules. That's from the department of transportation."

now holding back tears "You mean the ATF?"

The clerk goes to get the bible of shipping regs and flips to the page concerning firearms. "Pistols and shotguns of short length considered short barreled...." I think he was actually making up what he was reading out loud.

I stopped him mid sentence. "this isn't a pistol, its not a shotgun."

About 5 minutes later I spoke up, "I can go home and print out the ATF regs on shipping firearms, it would only take a minute."

But he didn't seem to care at that point. I'm guessing he got to the part where he thought I was wrong.

Its always something but until today I've never been threatened with a "call to the police" What is wrong with people today? :eek:


next time ups gives you hassle just shoot them with the gun they're delivering.

You could just go to a different shipping place, and not tell them that you are shipping a firearm.
No, that would be breaking the law.

Just out of interest, how many guns do you have DM?

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What is wrong with people today? :eek:
My thoughts exactly when I read you were shipping a Kalashnikov.

My thoughts exactly when I read you were shipping a Kalashnikov.
Perfectly legal in the US.

Perfectly legal in the US.
Legal, yes.

Sane, no.

Legal, yes.

Sane, no.

Describe what you think is "insane" about it.
I own several (not that I like the design, but I thought I might want to have some just to have them).

Describe what you think is "insane" about it.
I own several (not that I like the design, but I thought I might want to have some just to have them).

Why would you need so many! What use could they have to you??

Why would you need so many! What use could they have to you??
I'm a collector.

Of the guns I own, I only use a small fraction of them.

Why would you need so many! What use could they have to you??
In case hes attacked by a mob, and has no time to reload, but just enough time to throw the weapon away and grab another oen from the rack

reloading is so passé

I'm a collector.

Of the guns I own, I only use a small fraction of them.

Ok, if you are a collector then i suppose that makes sense...

Why would you need so many! What use could they have to you??

All ofem' are special. Just like Jay leno has so many cars, some guys just like to collect guns. Noone NEEDS 50 guns, but then again noone NEEDS a large SUV. This is America, if you have the money you can get whatever you WANT or NEED.

I think the total now is at 5 guns. 3 AKs, 1 SKS, and 1 m1 (korean war rifle).

In case hes attacked by a mob, and has no time to reload, but just enough time to throw the weapon away and grab another oen from the rack

reloading is so passé

My other answer.

In case hes attacked by a mob, and has no time to reload, but just enough time to throw the weapon away and grab another oen from the rack

reloading is so passé
I have a Rock River Arms version of the M-4, with two Beta C-Mags (200 rounds each).

I don't have to reload until I've expended 200 rounds.

In case hes attacked by a mob, and has no time to reload, but just enough time to throw the weapon away and grab another oen from the rack

reloading is so passé


dont forget the upcoming zombie invasion!

dont forget the upcoming zombie invasion!
That's what the aluminum baseball bat is for.

Also, in the manner of Half Life, I have several lawnmowers that I can convert to stationary choppers.

That's what the aluminum baseball bat is for.

Also, in the manner of Half Life, I have several lawnmowers that I can convert to stationary choppers.


or dead alive (best zombie movie ever btw)


i have a gatling gun prepared for such an occasion.

Hell we have an AK, an M16, a .22 rifle, and a .367 magnum in our fucking office.

All of them loaded.

Hell we have an AK, an M16, a .22 rifle, and a .367 magnum in our fucking office.

All of them loaded.


sounds like you have a revolution planned.

For those of you (if there are any) who buy several powerful guns for reasons other then to collect them or use them as sport/hunting, thats insane..

eventually when i get a house (rent if not own) and a better job i wanted to start a knife/sword collection. always found them better than guns i dunno.

sounds like you have a revolution planned.

Nah, we're just paranoid. We work in the trucking business. Seems the boss has over the years been the recepient of several credible death threats. I know he's got a rifle or two in his pickup too.

All things considered they come in here shootin, we can atleast shoot back. Though given our proximity to the highway and the small size of our office it's more likely they'd just ram the building with a truck.


Drugged up drivers are nuts.

For those of you (if there are any) who buy several powerful guns for reasons other then to collect them or use them as sport/hunting, thats insane..
I do not view an AK or an M-4 as a "powerful" gun.

The weapon I consider to be the most deadly in my cabinet is a bolt-action single shot rifle. It's a target rifle (Remington 40-XBBR-KS) in 300 Winchester Magnum.

http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/custom_shop/40-x/model_40-XBBR_KS.asp

Nah, we're just paranoid. We work in the trucking business. Seems the boss has over the years been the recepient of several credible death threats. I know he's got a rifle or two in his pickup too.

All things considered they come in here shootin, we can atleast shoot back. Though given our proximity to the highway and the small size of our office it's more likely they'd just ram the building with a truck.


Drugged up drivers are nuts.


especially the coked up ones, always were veering into me all the time on the NJ Turnpike.

I do not view an AK or an M-4 as a "powerful" gun.

The weapon I consider to be the most deadly in my cabinet is a bolt-action single shot rifle. It's a target rifle (Remington 40-XBBR-KS) in 300 Winchester Magnum.

http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/custom_shop/40-x/model_40-XBBR_KS.asp

Well, I don't remember mentioning an AK or an M-4

Well, I don't remember mentioning an AK or an M-4
Those were roughly the weapons mentioned up to that point.

Those were roughly the weapons mentioned up to that point.

Well any gun, powerful enough to cut human flesh, you would only need one for self defense.....

Describe what you think is "insane" about it.
This is what I think is insane about it:

The weapon I consider to be the most deadly in my cabinet is a bolt-action single shot rifle.

This is what I think is insane about it:
And what if I use it for competitive shooting (which I do)?

Is that insane?

And what if I use it for competitive shooting (which I do)?

Is that insane?

Competitive shooting, what do you mean?

This is what I think is insane about it:

whats insane about owning a rifle? you're lucky he didn't talk about the SAMs in the basement.

Competitive shooting, what do you mean?

like clay pidgeons, etc.

(correct me if i have the wrong idea)

Competitive shooting, what do you mean?
Shooting at paper targets up to 1000 yards away.

whats insane about owning a rifle? you're lucky he didn't talk about the SAMs in the basement.

Don't forget the mortar on the roof and the Neutron Bomb in the backyard!

Competitive shooting, what do you mean?

Target shooting. It's an olympic sport. There are also many other variations on it.

Shooting at paper targets up to 1000 yards away.

Fair enough, if you really do use it for that...

Nah, we're just paranoid. We work in the trucking business. Seems the boss has over the years been the recepient of several credible death threats. I know he's got a rifle or two in his pickup too.

All things considered they come in here shootin, we can atleast shoot back. Though given our proximity to the highway and the small size of our office it's more likely they'd just ram the building with a truck.


Drugged up drivers are nuts.

Come on now, that's just paranoia.. DOT regulations make it illegal for truckers to carry firearms, so you can't possibly have anything to worry about.. gun control laws have you covered 100%. :D

Don't forget the mortar on the roof and the Neutron Bomb in the backyard!
and that MBT has been siting on the front lawn for so long! are you ever gonna use it? and its collecting dust!

next time ups gives you hassle just shoot them with the gun they're delivering.
Of all the insane comments I've read today, this one takes the cake.

"Why, just shoot him if he doesn't do his job exactly like you want him to."

Are we so numb as to advocate shooting innocent people just because they are not helping you out?

And, worse of all, nobody said anything about it. Like it is normal to utter death threats at the drop of a hat. Insane!

especially the coked up ones, always were veering into me all the time on the NJ Turnpike.

Well, maybe if they could get from Newark to Long Island for less than $300 in toll fees, they'd be a bit more mellow.. just a theory.. :)

Of all the insane comments I've read today, this one takes the cake.

"Why, just shoot him if he doesn't do his job exactly like you want him to."

Are we so numb as to advocate shooting innocent people just because they are not helping you out?

And, worse of all, nobody said anything about it. Like it is normal to utter death threats at the drop of a hat. Insane!

Thats because he was joking.

Well, maybe if they could get from Newark to Long Island for less than $300 in toll fees, they'd be a bit more mellow.. just a theory.. :)


LOL true

btw how much is the verrazano now? when i left SI it was 6 or 8 bucks i think

Come on now, that's just paranoia.. DOT regulations make it illegal for truckers to carry firearms, so you can't possibly have anything to worry about.. gun control laws have you covered 100%. :D

"Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after me."

Or something like that, I dunno...

Thats because he was joking.


some people just werent born with a sense of humor, so we gotta slow down the bus once more to keep them up to date.

Fair enough, if you really do use it for that...
Yes. It's really a waste to shoot any closer than 300 yards with it.

some people just werent born with a sense of humor, so we gotta slow down the bus once more to keep them up to date.
And an insulting one at that!

Geez. Sorry if I take death threats very seriously. Better be safe and condemn them all than laugh it up and be surprised when a gun is pointed at you.

Maybe if people would be more discriminatory in the kind of humour they use, we could drop the tasteless inane comment like those.

You, sir, are an ass. Either because you make death threats, or because you treat a serious situation like this as a joke. Pick your poison.

Fair enough, if you really do use it for that...

No he really goes on insane sniper sprees!

What the hell do you think he'd use a gun for? Not all gun owners are murderers.

I'm rather curious that any discussion of gun ownership is now construed as "death threats".

I'm rather curious that any discussion of gun ownership is now construed as "death threats".


i missed that memo.

No he really goes on insane sniper sprees!

What the hell do you think he'd use a gun for? Not all gun owners are murderers.

Considering that I do a lot of shooting at matches alongside various other law abiding citizens, including police and other law enforcement agents, you would wonder what the problem is.

LOL true

btw how much is the verrazano now? when i left SI it was 6 or 8 bucks i think

Somewhere around $14-16 for trucks, I can never keep track.. I'm lucky enough to be a company driver with EZPass on those days..

And an insulting one at that!

Geez. Sorry if I take death threats very seriously. Better be safe and condemn them all than laugh it up and be surprised when a gun is pointed at you.


Death threat, what death threat?


Maybe if people would be more discriminatory in the kind of humour they use, we could drop the tasteless inane comment like those.


Discriminatory against who?


You, sir, are an ass. Either because you make death threats, or because you treat a serious situation like this as a joke. Pick your poison.
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What death threat? Wat serious situation?

I don't see why folks get so worked up about guns. They're just a machine, and a fairly simple one at that.

That said I don't own one, never felt the need to.

I'm rather curious that any discussion of gun ownership is now construed as "death threats".

Ya know, all gun owners are homicidal racists that belong to the KKK, and go on killing sprees as a weekend activity.

I own a Bulgarian Kalashnikov. (amongst other firearms)

The man involved was probably just anti-gun, an idiot (anti-gun), or misinformed. Perhaps he cannot mesure distances visually (He'd use his dick to mesure a football field)

No clue.

No he really goes on insane sniper sprees!

What the hell do you think he'd use a gun for? Not all gun owners are murderers.

It's just that SOME people buy lots of guns purely to make them feel like a bigger man.

It's just that SOME people buy lots of guns purely to make them feel like a bigger man.

Nope. I enjoy the camaraderie of competitive shooting.

I also enjoy seeing how far I can shoot accurately on demand.

Has nothing to do with the size of the firearm - otherwise I would own a much larger firearm in a much larger caliber.

It's just that SOME people buy lots of guns purely to make them feel like a bigger man.

Or make condenscending internet posts.

It's just that SOME people buy lots of guns purely to make them feel like a bigger man.
I guess you'll explain that to the women I know who own more firearms than I do.

Speaking of large caliber firearms I need to get myself a .500 magnum.....

I guess you'll explain that to the women I know who own more firearms than I do.

Maybe it's to compensate for boob-size?

Maybe it's to compensate for boob-size?

Ignorant aren't you?

And what if I use it for competitive shooting (which I do)?

Is that insane?
I don't mind competitive shooting. I just don't think it's particularly sane to collect assault rifles or other guns designed specifically for killing people (like the AK or SKS). The fascination for the deadliness of weapons seems morbid.

Geez. Sorry if I take death threats very seriously. Better be safe and condemn them all than laugh it up and be surprised when a gun is pointed at you.
It's just that SOME people buy lots of guns purely to make them feel like a bigger man.
Gun rights freaks from now on are welcome to refer to these posts if they need evidence against the ratio behind gun control.

Thanks. (y)

Maybe it's to compensate for boob-size?
No, they have ex-husband problems.

People collect swords, knives, and other stabbity things.

I don't mind competitive shooting. I just don't think it's particularly sane to collect assault rifles or other guns designed specifically for killing people (like the AK or SKS). The fascination for the deadliness of weapons seems morbid.





Now the thing is, very few people own actual AK's or SKS's. What they own are semiatuomatic civilian versions that Look Like the originals. They are very popular in competative shooting, etc.

I don't mind competitive shooting. I just don't think it's particularly sane to collect assault rifles or other guns designed specifically for killing people (like the AK or SKS). The fascination for the deadliness of weapons seems morbid.



Gun rights freaks from now on are welcome to refer to these posts if they need evidence against the ratio behind gun control.

Thanks. (y)

Define "Assault rifle."

My Russian SKS (1953) is not an assault rifle, it has the original ten-round undetachable magazine. Most people see a Black rifle and asume it's designed to kill people.

Oh, and the D.C. area "Sniper"? He isn't a sniper.

Now the thing is, very few people own actual AK's or SKS's. What they own are semiatuomatic civilian versions that Look Like the originals. They are very popular in competative shooting, etc.

I'm a rare breed then, my Kalashnikov's selector switch works. (ATF registered, just so you know)

I'm a rare breed then, my Kalashnikov's selector switch works. (ATF registered, just so you know)

Hey, as long as you've got it legally ( and continue so) I'm in full support. If I had the money ( and didn't live in the Peoples Republic of Illinois) I'ld own an MG-42 for my reenactments.

Hey, as long as you've got it legally ( and continue so) I'm in full support. If I had the money ( and didn't live in the Peoples Republic of Illinois) I'ld own an MG-42 for my reenactments.

A company builds semi-automatic MG42s for around five grand (still pretty steep) as oposed to a full-auto original for 15,000. Semi automatic MG42 site. (http://www.brpguns.com/mg42semi.htm)

I'm a rare breed then, my Kalashnikov's selector switch works. (ATF registered, just so you know)

You sick savage.

Mine are neuretered half-breeds :mad:

A company builds semi-automatic MG42s for around five grand (still pretty steep) as oposed to a full-auto original for 15,000. Semi automatic MG42 site. (http://www.brpguns.com/mg42semi.htm)

I just don't think it would be worth spending that much on a gun like that... Even if it was for competative shooting.

You sick savage.

Mine are neuretered half-breeds :mad:

Contrary to popular belief, an Kalashnikov is very controlable and accurate on fully automatic.

A company builds semi-automatic MG42s for around five grand (still pretty steep) as oposed to a full-auto original for 15,000. Semi automatic MG42 site. (http://www.brpguns.com/mg42semi.htm)

Sure, I know some of the guys. Still, 5K is about 4.995K more than I can afford right now. :)

I just don't think it would be worth spending that much on a gun like that... Even if it was for competative shooting.

Well, it's not your thing. That's fine. I'm sure you spend money on a hobby I'm not interested in.

I just don't think it would be worth spending that much on a gun like that... Even if it was for competative shooting.
With scope, and bipod, and other accoutrements, the single shot rifle I spoke of cost me close to 5,000 dollars.

Of course, what I'm paying for is repeatable, extreme accuracy.

Imagine that you're 300 meters away, and looking at a coin the size of a twenty-pence coin.

I'm going to put a bullet on that spot every time.

With scope, and bipod, and other accoutrements, the single shot rifle I spoke of cost me close to 5,000 dollars.

Of course, what I'm paying for is repeatable, extreme accuracy.

Imagine that you're 300 meters away, and looking at a coin the size of a twenty-pence coin.

I'm going to put a bullet on that spot every time.

But that takes away the challenge:p

Contrary to popular belief, an Kalashnikov is very controlable and accurate on fully automatic.
I don't see how that follow from what you quoted.

But that takes away the challenge:p
I could give the rifle to you, and I bet you could not do the same.

Yay UPS guy!

"Well its less than 18 inches so I need to open it up and call the police."

...

Its always something but until today I've never been threatened with a "call to the police" What is wrong with people today? :eek:
Yeah, that's not very good for business on his part.

Yay UPS guy!

But the UPS guy is the embodiment of non-chaos and is promoting destructive order.

For shame.

Yay UPS guy!
When I had the ATF field office call in to my local WalMart to correct a clerk through the WalMart manager, the clerk was fired for insisting on the wrong thing -

just like this UPS guy.

He can cheer all he likes after he gets fired, and the gun ships anyway.

I just don't think it would be worth spending that much on a gun like that... Even if it was for competative shooting.

Anyone who spends 15k$ on a gun has money, and is probably sane.

Yay UPS guy!

FU UPS guy, Yay Redneck USPS woman who chatted with me for 10 minutes on the phone about guns :D. Even asked me how long the barrel was, to which I replied 16 and she said fine. I'm off to get it shipped off...

For those of you (if there are any) who buy several powerful guns for reasons other then to collect them or use them as sport/hunting, thats insane..

Yeah, home defense only requires two firearms; a rifle and a shotgun.;)

Yeah, home defense only requires two firearms; a rifle and a shotgun.;)

I bought my mom a pistol. She's small. For a long gun, I'ld have to purchase a shortened stock.

Geez. Sorry if I take death threats very seriously. Better be safe and condemn them all than laugh it up and be surprised when a gun is pointed at you.

Maybe if people would be more discriminatory in the kind of humour they use, we could drop the tasteless inane comment like those.

You, sir, are an ass. Either because you make death threats, or because you treat a serious situation like this as a joke. Pick your poison.

Oh, please....anyone with more than two functioning brain cells could tell that was a joke...not a very good one, but still a joke.

Who the hell are you to condemn someone else's sense of humor?

Lose the knee-jerk reactions and maybe you won't come off like such an incredible ass.

And an insulting one at that!

Geez. Sorry if I take death threats very seriously. Better be safe and condemn them all than laugh it up and be surprised when a gun is pointed at you.

Maybe if people would be more discriminatory in the kind of humour they use, we could drop the tasteless inane comment like those.

You, sir, are an ass. Either because you make death threats, or because you treat a serious situation like this as a joke. Pick your poison.
if i had a gun pointed at me i would be laughing. every one but you realized that the comment was ment in good humor the op obviosly was not considdering shoting the ups guy.
moving on

we(my family) have a double barrel 12gauge shot gun and a .22
the .22 is by far my favorit of the two..the kick on the shot gun has the potental of knocking me flat on my back.:(
right now iam in serch of a gun that can drop a bear....

Why don't you let that post go, your just flamebaiting.

Why don't you let that post go, your just flamebaiting.
me?... i dint see that the poster above me comented on the same thing till i posted...i dont see how what i said is flame baiting, its the truth..if you are really talking to me, if not then never mind

USPS female clerk: Yes, we can ship firearms.

USPS male clerk: No we can't.

I am calling the Postmaster AND the ATF on this guy.

This is going to get ugly.

Round two starts tommorow, 10 minutes after I get off work.

The UPS guy was a little set back when I purchased 600$ worth of insurance. "Why?" he asked. I replied "Well, I'm shipping a gun".

Romanian AKM, so I said 16 inches.

"Well its less than 18 inches so I need to open it up and call the police."

in total shock I respond "what are you getting at? This is a rifle, the barrel is at least 16 inches long, the overall length is at least 26 inches.....you can open it if you want but why?!"

"rifles with short barrels of less than 18 inches need to be shipped by a firearms dealer, you need to read up on your firearms rules. That's from the department of transportation."

now holding back tears "You mean the ATF?"

The clerk goes to get the bible of shipping regs and flips to the page concerning firearms. "Pistols and shotguns of short length considered short barreled...." I think he was actually making up what he was reading out loud.

I stopped him mid sentence. "this isn't a pistol, its not a shotgun."

About 5 minutes later I spoke up, "I can go home and print out the ATF regs on shipping firearms, it would only take a minute."

But he didn't seem to care at that point. I'm guessing he got to the part where he thought I was wrong.

Its always something but until today I've never been threatened with a "call to the police" What is wrong with people today? :eek:


What's the problem? If you're right, none.
If you're wrong, some.

Dunno if this is helpful:
http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/FederalGunLaws.aspx?ID=60

Shipping Firearms

Firearms may not be mailed or shipped interstate from one non-FFL to another non-FFL. Personally owned rifles and shotguns may be mailed or shipped to an FFL in any state for any lawful purpose, including sale, repair, or customizing. An FFL may ship a firearm or replacement firearm of the same kind and type to a person from whom it was received. Under U.S. Postal regulations, handguns may be sent via the Postal Service only from one FFL to another FFL, or between authorized government officials.

A person may ship a rifle or shotgun to himself, in care of a person who lives in another state, for purposes of hunting.

Firearms or ammunition delivered to a common carrier for shipment must be accompanied by a written notice to the carrier of the contents of the shipment.

This also might help in deciding to whom you wish to give your business:
http://www.thegunzone.com/ship-guns.html

LOL true

btw how much is the verrazano now? when i left SI it was 6 or 8 bucks i think

9, but you pay only one way.

Its not the same as the shipping guy, but...

http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?model=30CSS10&category=Revolver

http://www.taurususa.com/imagesMain/H_30CSS10.jpg

...sure, the 30 carbine is a venerable cartridge, but apparently it also isn't allowed in very many indoor shooting ranges, as I've discovered to my chagrin. :(

In case hes attacked by a mob, and has no time to reload, but just enough time to throw the weapon away and grab another from the rack

reloading is so passé
Ah...So you think DeepKimchi has a John Woo fetish?
He secretly wishes he could be Chow Yun Fat.
Makes sense.
Explains the nom-de-plume.

Well, ok it doesn't, cause Kimchi's from Korea and Chow's from HK (Lamma island to be exact, where I live), but if he was to use HK specialty, he'd have to call himself "DeepStinkyTofu", which doesn't have quite the same ring to it.

Ah...So you think DeepKimchi has a John Woo fetish?
He secretly wishes he could be Chow Yun Fat.
Makes sense.
Explains the nom-de-plume.

Well, ok it doesn't, cause Kimchi's from Korea and Chow's from HK (Lamma island to be exact, where I live), but if he was to use HK specialty, he'd have to call himself "DeepStinkyTofu", which doesn't have quite the same ring to it.
No, if anything, I have an Agent Smith fetish.

No, if anything, I have an Agent Smith fetish.
But he doesn't have any guns.

Actually your name makes me think of the movie, "Oldboy", which means I'd feel pretty damn uncomfortable around you, especially if you have any hammers lying around.

But he doesn't have any guns.

Actually your name makes me think of the movie, "Oldboy", which means I'd feel pretty damn uncomfortable around you, especially if you have any hammers lying around.
Agent Smith carries (depending on the movie) either a Desert Eagle in 50AE, or a Jericho 9mm (looks like a Desert Eagle, but actually fits under your coat).

Agent Smith carries (depending on the movie) either a Desert Eagle in 50AE, or a Jericho 9mm (looks like a Desert Eagle, but actually fits under your coat).
You're right:
http://www.routergod.com/agentsmith/smith_firing_gun.jpg
I stand corrected. All I can remember (thank God!) of the last sucky movie was the fight at the end with all those Smiths and Neo.

Desert Eagle reminds me of the bit in 'Snatch' with Vinnie Jones.
"And, the fact that you've got "replica" written down the side of your guns. And, the fact that I've got "Desert Eagle point 5 0" written on the side of mine, should precipitate your balls into shrinking, along with your presence. Now . . . fuck off.

But the UPS guy is the embodiment of non-chaos and is promoting destructive order.

For shame.

there is chaos even in order

Perfectly legal in the US.

Most states in the US ban Assault Rifles from reaching civilian's hands.

Most states in the US ban Assault Rifles from reaching civilian's hands.
But this is not an assault rifle. It is semi-automatic. You can purchase one just about anywhere without any federal oversight. My friend owns a replica AK-47.

Most states in the US ban Assault Rifles from reaching civilian's hands.

Nope, only California, New York, and MA ban true assault rifles, while those same states ban scary looking semi rifles on the same premise.


Katganistan you an a Nationstates god. [bow down]

Yes, kimosabe...

:D

Tommorow I'm going back to see the pointy haired moron armed with ATF regs in the Idiot Folder (tm).

This means war....in a nice, civil way...

there is chaos even in order

Remember the curse of greyface. Destructive order (UPS) bad, creative order good.