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Oh, I seem to recall people saying that it would never come to this - that people would rise up and fight against giving a free hand in monitoring and rounding up people just because they belong to certain groups.

Here's an editorial that seems to be openly calling for something to be done. As we get more and more stories of certain Muslims doing this sort of thing in various Western countries, how long before voices like this get loud enough and persistent enough that we all participate in the Great Roundup?

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/editorial/the_fifth_column_editorial_.htm

I think it's not too far off. Just one more major attack in the US, and it will happen.

I doubt it would take a major attack on anything, overall, Americans are bigotted, hateful, and ignorant.

I doubt it would take a major attack on anything, overall, Americans are bigotted, hateful, and ignorant.

Oh, like the French who hate their immigrant Muslims, and the Germans who hate the burgeoning Turkish population, etc...

I doubt it would take a major attack on anything, overall, Americans are bigotted, hateful, and ignorant.

No doubt you are right.

More fool them to provoke Americans.

Oh, like the French who hate their immigrant Muslims, and the Germans who hate the burgeoning Turkish population, etc...
I'm sorry, are we talking about France and Germany?

I'm sorry, are we talking about France and Germany?
You're the one who is implying that only Americans are capable of this.

I doubt it would take a major attack on anything, overall, Americans are bigotted, hateful, and ignorant.


You win the thread...

And you get a cookie:p

And the sad thing is, that Democrats and Republicans fail to realize, a round up like so is what the terrorists want!

Which is why I expect a Major attack soon. The Terrorists are already enjoying the polarization of the nation. What will something like this do? Polarize us even more.

A people united are not easily conquered. We divide the people, make enemies out of Muslims, communists, pacifists, Republicans, christians, or whatever group we decide to make an enemy out of, we are pretty much saying "Here you go Osama. We really don't give a rat's ass about this thing we call freedom so we will give in to mass hysteria."


Which is why I left all the anti war groups I was in... Just like the writer of the editorial, they were bent on seeing the nation divided and not united.

You win the thread...

And you get a cookie:p

Ah, I see - he wins by saying that only Americans would do this!

I doubt it would take a major attack on anything, overall, people are bigotted, hateful, and ignorant.

Fixed for accuracy.

And the sad thing is, that Democrats and Republicans fail to realize, a round up like so is what the terrorists want!

Which is why I expect a Major attack soon. The Terrorists are already enjoying the polarization of the nation. What will something like this do? Polarize us even more.

A people united are not easily conquered. We divide the people, make enemies out of Muslims, communists, pacifists, Republicans, christians, or whatever group we decide to make an enemy out of, we are pretty much saying "Here you go Osama. We really don't give a rat's ass about this thing we call freedom so we will give in to mass hysteria."


Which is why I left all the anti war groups I was in... Just like the writer of the editorial, they were bent on seeing the nation divided and not united.

Well, if we do round up all the Muslims, how is that a "win" in the terrorist books?

The terrorists want us all dead - how is having us put their potential supporters in camps an achievement of that goal?

Pro-terror fronts like the Council on American-Islamic Relations pretend to be benign voices for civil rights.
The person who wrote this is obviously an arse.

Hehehe...it's like people are falling over themselves just to prove my "America has died by suicide" hypothesis.

*sings Star-Spangled Banner*

Religion before non-birth country.

That makes the guy/girl who wrote this wrong.


Means his fellow-country-men have all the reason in the world to distrust him.

Hehehe...it's like people are falling over themselves just to prove my "America has died by suicide" hypothesis.

*sings Star-Spangled Banner*

On your hypothesis:

It was the intent of the Founders to avoid foreign entanglements, especially those in Europe.

But the idiots in Europe left the US no choice not only to intervene, but to maintain the ability to intervene, which is how we drifted into this sort of thing.

Thanks, Europe.

On your hypothesis:

It was the intent of the Founders to avoid foreign entanglements, especially those in Europe.

But the idiots in Europe left the US no choice not only to intervene, but to maintain the ability to intervene, which is how we drifted into this sort of thing.

Thanks, Europe.

Meh, if we really wanted to stay out of it, we would. I just don't think that they (the admin) wants to be out of it. Nosy bastards.

Well, if we do round up all the Muslims, how is that a "win" in the terrorist books?

The terrorists want us all dead - how is having us put their potential supporters in camps an achievement of that goal?

Do you doubt their will be resistance?

Don't you think that repurcussions will be harsh? Do you think the UN would stand for it?

No. Think of just what it will do to the state of the nation.

Do you doubt their will be resistance?

Don't you think that repurcussions will be harsh? Do you think the UN would stand for it?

No. Think of just what it will do to the state of the nation.


*shrug*

I'm no American, but somehow, I don't see what a UN-motion is supposed to do to stop America.

Means his fellow-country-men have all the reason in the world to distrust him.

Never trust anyone or anything.

*shrug*

I'm no American, but somehow, I don't see what a UN-motion is supposed to do to stop America.


I'm just saying that the U.N. would never approve, and world relations become even stickier.

But the idiots in Europe left the US no choice not only to intervene, but to maintain the ability to intervene, which is how we drifted into this sort of thing.
To be fair, it's not like anyone forced the US to do anything. Actual neutrality was an option (not the sort of underhanded support for the British that actually happened, and which caused Germany to look for a Plan B), but Wilson wasn't interested.
And previously, things like the war against Spain and the Monroe Doctrine put the idea of neutrality or isolationism to rest anyways.

You're right, DK--this has been coming for a long time, and I'd imagine we're not too far from someone at LGF or Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler or Michelle Malkin herself calling openly for doing precisely what you suggest is coming, namely, rounding up and shipping out anyone who has ties to Islamic fundamentalism.

That this appeared mainstream first in the NY Post is no great shock to me--the only other "major" paper that might have beaten it was the Washington Times.

So how will this work? Will there be a call for a complete moratorium on immigrants from certain countries, like during the "yellow scare?" More walls, even though the US government estimates that almost half the illegal immigrants that come from latin America are here as a result of overstaying their visas and didn't sneak across the border at all? Is this editorial an oblique yet opening shot at Bush's guest worker program? Or are we just going to start rounding up any brown people we see and start shipping them off to "happy camps" sponsored by Snacky Smores?

Never trust anyone or anything.

What's that knife doing in your hand?
*reaches for sidearm.*

What's that knife doing in your hand?
*reaches for sidearm.*


Pretty much.

Pretty much.

*nods*
Meanwhile, a body ( as this chap ) who doesn't make it very very very clear that his loyalties are 100% American, only has himself to blame if his compatriots decide to eliminate a soft spot in the armour.

Choose wisely! Your life depends on it.

I doubt it would take a major attack on anything, overall, Americans are bigotted, hateful, and ignorant.
i don't know what's more disturbing, that you would make a generalization this ignorant, or that so many have rallied around you as if you are some prophet of political observation.

as another poster said, some people tend to be that way: and to assign blame for it to a single country proves you are one of them.

You're the one who is implying that only Americans are capable of this.
And we are talking about Americans. Nice try, slick.

Fixed for accuracy.
No, I was talking about Americans. I don't have enough intimate knowledge about other nations to say the same thing.

i don't know what's more disturbing, that you would make a generalization this ignorant
I wish it was an ignorant statement, instead of deriving from fact and examples.

some people tend to be that way
The point was Americans as a group tend to be that way. Sure there are people that arn't, but they are outweighed by (a) the people that are and (b) group dynamics that magnify bigotry, ignorance, and stupidity 100 fold.

And we are talking about Americans. Nice try, slick.

Wouldn't happen to ya,
if it were not for the fact that even a dumb iggerant furriner like me,
finds it hard to not notice that you ain't exactly the most patriotic person who ever lived...

Do you doubt their will be resistance?

Don't you think that repurcussions will be harsh? Do you think the UN would stand for it?

No. Think of just what it will do to the state of the nation.

Not very much resistance, depending on the timing the government takes. If, for instance, they wait until there's another major terrorist attack, there would be little resistance.

Resistance is also more difficult, especially when done largely by people who have little or no experience in it. The typical Democratic Underground tinfoil hat wearer, for instance, owns no firearms, has never served in the military, etc.

I watched one of their threads on armed resistance, and it was hilarious, because they said they would have to buy guns, and wanted to know if they needed a license.

Hardly the experienced troublemakers.

And we are talking about Americans. Nice try, slick.


No, I was talking about Americans. I don't have enough intimate knowledge about other nations to say the same thing.


I wish it was an ignorant statement, instead of deriving from fact and examples.


The point was Americans as a group tend to be that way. Sure there are people that arn't, but they are outweighed by (a) the people that are and (b) group dynamics that magnify bigotry, ignorance, and stupidity 100 fold.


I'm the OP, and I'm talking not just about Americans - so we're talking about "people". Which includes Europeans, etc.

Nice try, slick.

Sure there are people that arn't, but they are outweighed by (a) the people that are and (b) group dynamics that magnify bigotry, ignorance, and stupidity 100 fold.
this occurs the world over. what you are doing is the equivalent of responding to an article about violent crime in America by saying "Americans generally are very thuggish!" when it is noted to you that there are thugs the world over, you're saying, "well, maybe, but we are talking about America!"

you've made an unfounded generalization -- and, ironically, a generalization that is bigoted, ignorant and stupid.

The only good thing to ever come out of religion was the music. :(

Wouldn't happen to ya,
if it were not for the fact that even a dumb iggerant furriner like me,
finds it hard to not notice that you ain't exactly the most patriotic person who ever lived...First of all, how do you define "patriotic?" And second of all, what the hell does that have to do with anything?

this occurs the world over. what you are doing is the equivalent of responding to an article about violent crime in America by saying "Americans generally are very thuggish!" when it is noted to you that there are thugs the world over, you're saying, "well, maybe, but we are talking about America!"

you've made an unfounded generalization -- and, ironically, a generalization that is bigoted, ignorant and stupid.

Pantless doesn't think it's possible for anyone else to be bigoted, shhhhhh.

First of all, how do you define "patriotic?" And second of all, what the hell does that have to do with anything?

I think you know, dude.
If you don't, somehow, I'm kind of wondering if you have much of a future from a Darwinian point of view. ;)
PS1. You ain't Teh Pantless One.

( PS2. Ain't no miracle Red Staters outbreed Blue Staters... )

I'm the OP, and I'm talking not just about Americans - so we're talking about "people". Which includes Europeans, etc.

Nice try, slick.
I think it's not too far off. Just one more major attack in the US, and it will happen.
So only the US matters, even to Europeans? I seem to recall alot more shit happening to them than to us. Nice try, not-so-slick.

this occurs the world over. what you are doing is the equivalent of responding to an article about violent crime in America by saying "Americans generally are very thuggish!" when it is noted to you that there are thugs the world over, you're saying, "well, maybe, but we are talking about America!"

you've made an unfounded generalization -- and, ironically, a generalization that is bigoted, ignorant and stupid.
How many other countries have placed their own citizens into camps during a time of fear? How many people in those countries post topics suggesting that the same thing might (or should) happen again?

France and Germany are xenophobic, America is bigotted, ignorant, and hateful - especially when run on group dynamics, which it usually is. Why do you think right-wing pundits are so popular? They take a hot poker and fuel the idiocy, bigotry, and stupidity by pelting people with things they want to hear that usually arn't facts, and if they are, they are so twisted as it doesn't matter that they are facts.

I think you know, dude.
If you don't, somehow, I'm kind of wondering if you have much of a future from a Darwinian point of view.
PS1. You ain't Teh Pantyless One.

( PS2. Ain't no miracle Red Staters outbreed Blue Staters... )
I think I do too--I'd just like you to explain it to the more, umm, Darwinially-challenged out there, just so everyone knows precisely where you're coming from.

Unless you're worried that doing so will reveal that your patriotism is nothing but a thin veneer of closed-mindedness and bigotry.

As for your last crack, well, red states may outbreed us, but we make the money that keeps their welfare checks coming on time.

Oh, I seem to recall people saying that it would never come to this - that people would rise up and fight against giving a free hand in monitoring and rounding up people just because they belong to certain groups.

Here's an editorial that seems to be openly calling for something to be done. As we get more and more stories of certain Muslims doing this sort of thing in various Western countries, how long before voices like this get loud enough and persistent enough that we all participate in the Great Roundup?

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/editorial/the_fifth_column_editorial_.htm

I think it's not too far off. Just one more major attack in the US, and it will happen.
And I guess that as long as the US wants to blow stuff up in the Middle East and as long as people such as yourself call for genocide against Muslims, there will always be these "homegrown" sympathizers.

If anything, your hateful attitude towards Muslims, clearly displayed on these forums, adds fuel to the inferno. Hate can be infectious and you can suspect that the ramifications will be horrendous.

I think I do too--I'd just like you to explain it to the more, umm, Darwinially-challenged out there, just so everyone knows precisely where you're coming from.

Unless you're worried that doing so will reveal that your patriotism is nothing but a thin veneer of closed-mindedness and bigotry.

As for your last crack, well, red states may outbreed us, but we make the money that keeps their welfare checks coming on time.

In all seriousness, I think that closed-mindedness is a survival-asset, and ditto for bigotry.

In all seriousness, I think that a group that seriously considers birthcontrol hasn't got much hope to outbreed a group that takes procreation as recreation.

In all seriousness, I think that (progressive) liberalism is suicidal.

I am considering the possibility that racism is a survival-trait as well - but I wouldn't say that with the same certainty as I do so about group-think ( aka bigotry. ).
( Racism may be bigotry taken beyond a dysfunctional limit. )



In all seriousness, I think that tolerance is a faith based initiative.

In all seriousness, I think that 911 was a faith based initiative.

In all seriousness, I think that pacifism is a faith based initiative.

In all seriousness, I think that the Iraq War was a faith based initiative.

In all seriousness, I think that FBI's are not survival-minded.

Clear enough - and without harsh feelings?
I really think that progressive ideals have become incredibly suicidal!

How many other countries have placed their own citizens into camps during a time of fear? How many people in those countries post topics suggesting that the same thing might (or should) happen again?


The UK (Boer War, where the concentration camp was invented).

Germany!

Serbia!

Russia!

Japan!

shall I go on?

( PS2. Ain't no miracle Red Staters outbreed Blue Staters... )
No, of course no miracle. Just lots of Bourbon, extremely low standards and very few qualms about breeding within the family gene pool.

No, of course no miracle. Just lots of Bourbon, extremely low standards and very few qualms about breeding within the family gene pool.

Having qualms about breeding in general is an incredibly stupid idea.

In all seriousness, I think that closed-mindedness is a survival-asset, and ditto for bigotry.

In all seriousness, I think that a group that seriously considers birthcontrol hasn't got much hope to outbreed a group that takes procreation as recreation.

In all seriousness, I think that (progressive) liberalism is suicidal.

I am considering the possibility that racism is a survival-trait as well - but I wouldn't say that with the same certainty as I do so about group-think ( aka bigotry. ).
( Racism may be bigotry taken beyond a dysfunctional limit. )



In all seriousness, I think that tolerance is a faith based initiative.

In all seriousness, I think that 911 was a faith based initiative.

In all seriousness, I think that pacifism is a faith based initiative.

In all seriousness, I think that the Iraq War was a faith based initiative.

In all seriousness, I think that FBI's are not survival-minded.

Clear enough - and without harsh feelings?
I really think that progressive ideals have become incredibly suicidal!
I think these ideas are progressively suicidal as long as progressiveness lives. You see, progressives are the intelligent ones making bigger and better bombs. People like that using the big, mean bombs will send us all to hell.

The UK (Boer War, where the concentration camp was invented).

Germany!

Serbia!

Russia!

Japan!

shall I go on?
Good job pointing out all of the dictatorships who did it for the sake of doing it because they didn't like the people or they opposed the government. I'm thinking more of US rounding up of the Native Americans because "they were on our land" or the rounding up of Japanese Americans and because Pearl Harbor was attacked - reactionary as well as hateful and bigoted moves supported by the populace, not some regime instilling fear in the populace because any single one of them might be next.

No, of course no miracle. Just lots of Bourbon, extremely low standards and very few qualms about breeding within the family gene pool.

The people I met in Hull were universally more inbred and stupid than any people I ever met in West Virginia.

France and Germany are xenophobic, America is bigotted, ignorant, and hateful - especially when run on group dynamics, which it usually is. Why do you think right-wing pundits are so popular? They take a hot poker and fuel the idiocy, bigotry, and stupidity by pelting people with things they want to hear that usually arn't facts, and if they are, they are so twisted as it doesn't matter that they are facts.
in the immortal words of the philospher Spongebob Squarepants, if I had a nickel for every brain you didn't have, I would have exactly one nickel.

that ad hominem aside, are you just completely blind to the fact that you are exemplifying every quality of bigotry that you're accusing others of?

I think these ideas are progressively suicidal as long as progressiveness lives. You see, progressives are the intelligent ones making bigger and better bombs. People like that using the big, mean bombs will send us all to hell.

*shrug combined with a nod*

Indeed one of the Great Dangers.
The Dull Boys never really understood that the Bright Boys were indeed delivering the goods that the Dull Boys ordered.

( paraphrasing John Wyndham in 'The Day of the Triffids'. )

in the immortal words of the philospher Spongebob Squarepants, if I had a nickel for every brain you didn't have, I would have exactly one nickel.

that ad hominem aside, are you just completely blind to the fact that you are exemplifying every quality of bigotry that you're accusing others of?
Well, I can't say I tolerate the opinions of bigots. So yes, I am bigoted towards bigots.

Not if you know what bigotry means.

It's not bigotry or fascism if the Left does it, is what you mean.

It's not bigotry or fascism if the Left does it, is what you mean.
Oh please, get down off your high horse, the lack of oxygen from all the thin air is going to your head.

Even if I hadn't changed my reply, that would still be ridiculous response.

Oh please, get down off your high horse, the lack of oxygen is going to your head.

Even if I hadn't changed my reply, that would still be ridiculous response.
It's not ridiculous - it's what you genuinely believe.

I only count what you first say, not what you change your reply to after you realize you've said something stupid.

Having qualms about breeding in general is an incredibly stupid idea.
Only if you're worried about preserving the dominance of the people currently in power. If that's not a worry for you, then having qualms about breeding is a very sane move, considering that we're rapidly reaching a point where we won't be able to sustain even the population we currently have.

Well, I can't say I tolerate the opinions of bigots. So yes, I am bigoted towards bigots.
well played on the semantical point. i guess.

but the problem is your ignorant, sweeping generalizations -- not your command of the english language. the fact remains that you're exemplifying intolerance and bigotry by grouping everyone in a nation into a giant group which you're then denouncing.

It's not ridiculous - it's what you genuinely believe.

I only count what you first say, not what you change your reply to after you realize you've said something stupid.
Oh yes, I forget, you believe correcting yourself is "flip-flopping." Yeah, the thin air from the high horse is going to your head.

but the problem is your ignorant, sweeping generalizations
I can explain my sweeping generalizations with example. In fact, this very thread supports the American one..
And no, that doesn't exemplify ignorance, quite the opposite. It proves I know how group dynamics work.

I can explain my sweeping generalizations with example. In fact, this very thread supports the American one..
right, because this thread is full of people who disagree with you. therefore, they are clearly ignorant bigots. after all, who could disagree with you?

And no, that doesn't exemplify ignorance, quite the opposite. It proves I know how group dynamics work.
every statement becomes more asinine than the last.

right, because this thread is full of people who disagree with you. therefore, they are clearly ignorant bigots. after all, who could disagree with you?
Kimchi is a bigot and the implication that only the US matters is ignorant.

every statement becomes more asinine than the last.
Agreeable, doesn't mean it is wrong.

Kimchi is a bigot and the implication that only the US matters is ignorant.
and Kimchi -- accepting your premise for the sake of discussion -- is broadly representative of the United States of America.

(I don't accept it, though. ain't got nothin' but love for you, Kimchi)

Only if you're worried about preserving the dominance of the people currently in power. If that's not a worry for you, then having qualms about breeding is a very sane move, considering that we're rapidly reaching a point where we won't be able to sustain even the population we currently have.


You're assuming the willingness of other populations to share the limited Lebensraum with you...
Bad risk.

( What the heck do you think The Clash of Civilisations is all about? Your folks didn't even start it! )

and Kimchi -- accepting your premise for the sake of discussion -- is broadly representative of the United States of America.

(I don't accept it, though. ain't got nothin' but love for you, Kimchi)
Yes and no.
He represents the "right-wing" the most outspoken group of people in the US, that also happens to hold the power in every branch of the US government. And also the group with the strongest and largest group dynamic that revolves solely around bigotry, ignorance, and hatred at its core.

Individually, he isn't because well, he is an individual.

Oh, I seem to recall people saying that it would never come to this - that people would rise up and fight against giving a free hand in monitoring and rounding up people just because they belong to certain groups.

Here's an editorial that seems to be openly calling for something to be done. As we get more and more stories of certain Muslims doing this sort of thing in various Western countries, how long before voices like this get loud enough and persistent enough that we all participate in the Great Roundup?

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/editorial/the_fifth_column_editorial_.htm

I think it's not too far off. Just one more major attack in the US, and it will happen.


You did read the story correct ? It said nothing about ROUNDING up anyone.It said it would be smart to monitor HATE groups..in this case MUSLIM hate groups..like we monitor the KKK and the Aryan Nation and any other bunch of dangerouse hate mongerers and idiots .


And then you have your normal morons like this one

Originally Posted by Teh_pantless_hero
France and Germany are xenophobic, America is bigotted, ignorant, and hateful - especially when run on group dynamics, which it usually is. Why do you think right-wing pundits are so popular? They take a hot poker and fuel the idiocy, bigotry, and stupidity by pelting people with things they want to hear that usually arn't facts, and if they are, they are so twisted as it doesn't matter that they are facts.

What group of idiots does he / she / it belong to ?

He represents the "right-wing" the most outspoken group of people in the US, that also happens to hold the power in every branch of the US government. And also the group with the strongest and largest group dynamic that revolves solely around bigotry, ignorance, and hatred at its core.
i give up.

you're right, one individual is broadly and wholly representative of everyone in the US who ascribes to right-leaning political beliefs, and all of those people are humongous, bigoted jerks. they probably beat their wives, too.

Yes and no.
He represents the "right-wing" the most outspoken group of people in the US, that also happens to hold the power in every branch of the US government. And also the group with the strongest and largest group dynamic that revolves solely around bigotry, ignorance, and hatred at its core.

Individually, he isn't because well, he is an individual.


No one in power is likely to rally 'round you.
*shrug*
Nothing immoral about that, of course, but...
it does make you a bit irrelevant.

i give up.

you're right, one individual is broadly and wholly representative of everyone in the US who ascribes to right-leaning political beliefs, and all of those people are humongous, bigoted jerks. they probably beat their wives, too.
Well nevermind, I was typing anything but it doesn't mean anything because you havn't seen it yet. Unless you were banned and thats a new name.

Well nevermind, I was typing anything but it doesn't mean anything because you havn't seen it yet. Unless you were banned and thats a new name.
huh?

listen, I don't want to give the impression that I don't like you or anything like that. I'm sure you're a great guy. but, at the same time, I think you're making some of the same generalizations you're accusing the American body politic of making. take a step back, I guess, is all I'm saying.

You're assuming the willingness of other populations to share the limited Lebensraum with you...
Bad risk.

( What the heck do you think The Clash of Civilisations is all about? Your folks didn't even start it! )
The clash of civilizations has been going on as long as there have been civilizations to clash--we do not live in unique times as far as that is concerned. What you seem to be more concerned about is that your civilization is going to come out on the short end of it this time. Well guess what? It just might. And there's precious little you can do about it. Civilizations rise and fall. Get over yourself.

The west's dominance began because we had greater access to raw materials than other parts of the world did, and it continued through sheer inertia and dumb luck, not because the west was inherently superior to the rest of the world. And the fact that deep down you know that's true must scare the ever-loving shit out of you, so you react in this way, frantically grasping and holding onto whatever makes you feel superior.

The people I met in Hull were universally more inbred and stupid than any people I ever met in West Virginia.
Where do you think the West Virginians came from originally?

The clash of civilizations has been going on as long as there have been civilizations to clash--we do not live in unique times as far as that is concerned. What you seem to be more concerned about is that your civilization is going to come out on the short end of it this time. Well guess what? It just might. And there's precious little you can do about it. Civilizations rise and fall. Get over yourself.

The west's dominance began because we had greater access to raw materials than other parts of the world did, and it continued through sheer inertia and dumb luck, not because the west was inherently superior to the rest of the world. And the fact that deep down you know that's true must scare the ever-loving shit out of you, so you react in this way, frantically grasping and holding onto whatever makes you feel superior.


The point remains the same:
survival of the fittest revolves around the willingness to succeed, and willingness to be catastrophic towards other groups.

What I would like to know is why arent more muslims, who dont agree with the senseless killing of civilians, denouncing this sort of behavior.

The person who wrote this is obviously an arse.
CAIR is a muslim supremacist organization who's members have ties to terrorism. You don't have to take my word for it. See what they say about themselves.

Omar Ahmad (Click Photo)

Co-founder of the Council on American-Islamic Relations

President and CEO of Silicon Expert Technologies. A Palestinian who grew up in a refugee camp in Jordan.



"Those who stay in America should be open to society without melting, keeping Mosques open so anyone can come and learn about Islam. If you choose to live here, you have a responsibility to deliver the message of Islam ... Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth." - Omar Ahmad


Nihad Awad (Click Photo)

Executive Director

Former Public Relations Director for the Islamic Association of Palestine (IAP).
A Palestinian born in Jordan and now a U.S. citizen.


"I am in support of the Hamas movement." - Nihad Awad

Ibrahim Hooper (Click Photo)
CAIR Spokesperson

"CAIR does not support these groups publicly."
(Hooper comments on CAIR's record of supporting Hamas,
Hezbullah and other official terrorist groups)


Dr. Ghazi Khankan (Click Photo)
CAIR Spokesperson



"I bring to you salaams and greetings from the Mujahadeen at CAIR."
(Statement made during a Washington D.C. rally)


"Anyone over 18 is automatically inducted into the service and they are all reserves. Therefore, Hamas, in my opinion, looks at them as part of the military." - Ghazi Khankan

What I would like to know is why arent more muslims, who dont agree with the senseless killing of civilians, denouncing this sort of behavior.
Why didn't more Christians denounce the violence in Ireland for the last 400 years? Or the genocide of native Americans? Or in the Philippines? Or in the countless other places where people have been forced to choose between being wiped out and converted?

Face it--there are over a billion muslims, and of them, only a very small percentage are 1) going to be involved in violence or 2) feel like it affects their everyday lives to an extent that they feel the need to make a public statement about it. That can also be applied to the members of any other major religion.

The only good thing to ever come out of religion was the music. :(


Chi- Christian Rock?!:eek:

Why didn't more Christians denounce the violence in Ireland for the last 400 years? Or the genocide of native Americans? Or in the Philippines? Or in the countless other places where people have been forced to choose between being wiped out and converted?

Face it--there are over a billion muslims, and of them, only a very small percentage are 1) going to be involved in violence or 2) feel like it affects their everyday lives to an extent that they feel the need to make a public statement about it. That can also be applied to the members of any other major religion.

A lot of Christians reacted to this sort of abuse by becoming atheists or completely secular people.

Next question!

You win the thread...

And you get a cookie:p
No, he wins the phoole of the year award, and gets a swift kick in the ass! :D

What I would like to know is why arent more muslims, who dont agree with the senseless killing of civilians, denouncing this sort of behavior.
Don't you mean, why don't they give those people more media attention?

Chi- Christian Rock?!:eek:
That's a tautology. It's well known that Christians don't - nay, can't - rock.
Also, everyone knows the Devil has the best rock bands.

To be fair, it's not like anyone forced the US to do anything. Actual neutrality was an option (not the sort of underhanded support for the British that actually happened, and which caused Germany to look for a Plan B), but Wilson wasn't interested.
And previously, things like the war against Spain and the Monroe Doctrine put the idea of neutrality or isolationism to rest anyways.
Uh ... I think you've got your Presidents mixed up. Wilson was Pres during WWI, Roosevelt was Pres during WWII.

The point was Americans as a group tend to be that way. Sure there are people that arn't, but they are outweighed by (a) the people that are and (b) group dynamics that magnify bigotry, ignorance, and stupidity 100 fold.
Some actual like, you know ... proof of this would be nice, instead of your bald-faced assertions.

Don't you mean, why don't they give those people more media attention?

Maybe. I know that the general muslim population does not condone such behavior, but most people dont know this. If I were muslim Id be speaking up.

Winner of the Partisan Award for Outstanding Generalisations in Paranoid Paramilitarism: Deep Kimchi.

Winner of the Blackshirt Award for Excellence in Dogmatic Social Darwinism: Bogmarsh.

Your posts are scary.

... bigoted, ignorant and stupid.
Which isn't too bad as a description about him either. :)

Winner of the Partisan Award for Outstanding Generalisations in Paranoid Paramilitarism: Deep Kimchi.

Winner of the Blackshirt Award for Excellence in Dogmatic Social Darwinism: Bogmarsh.

Your posts are scary.

Actually, that's "militarism" not "paramilitarism".

Some actual like, you know ... proof of this would be nice, instead of your bald-faced assertions.

Which isn't too bad as a description about him either.
^^ The start.

^^ The start.
Still waiting for proof that all Americans are 100 times more stupid than anyone else.

Still waiting for those statistics on inbreeding.

Still waiting for proof that all Americans are 100 times more stupid than anyone else.
I will answer that when you show me where I said it.

Still waiting for those statistics on inbreeding.
No one talked about inbreeding, not me anyway.

The point was Americans as a group tend to be that way. Sure there are people that arn't, but they are outweighed by (a) the people that are and (b) group dynamics that magnify bigotry, ignorance, and stupidity 100 fold.

Let's start with that one.

Prove that bigotry, ignorance, and stupidity in the US are 100 times worse than they are anywhere else.

Let's start with that one.

Prove that bigotry, ignorance, and stupidity in the US are 100 times worse than they are anywhere else.
You might want to read from the book the right side up - I said:
group dynamics that magnify bigotry, ignorance, and stupidity 100 fold.

You might want to read from the book the right side up - I said:
Same thing, Einstein. If you say it magnifies the problem 100 fold, you're saying the problem is 100 times worse than anything else.

Show me.

Show me, for instance, a time when we had 100 times less "bigotry, ignorance, and stupidity".

I'll need links to facts.

Same thing, Einstein. If you say it magnifies the problem 100 fold, you're saying the problem is 100 times worse than anything else.
I know I bolded "group dynamics"...

Maybe if you would try paying some fucking attention to what I am saying instead of what you think I am saying you might see I said group dynamics is what magnifies it to 100 fold.

I know I bolded "group dynamics"...

Maybe if you would try paying some fucking attention to what I am saying instead of what you think I am saying you might see I said group dynamics is what magnifies it to 100 fold.

You're saying it magnifies the problem 100 fold.

Prove it. You aren't even trying.

Well, if we do round up all the Muslims, how is that a "win" in the terrorist books?

The terrorists want us all dead - how is having us put their potential supporters in camps an achievement of that goal?

They don't want us all dead. Not really.

Same with you. You don't want them all dead, not really.

What both of you have in common is your need for An Enemy to hate and fear and kill. That enemy must be always present, the war must always be here for you. Both Muslim terrorists and people like desire Jihad, Holy War - you both get off to it.

So yes, turning the USA into the Fourth Reich and having our own Krystalnacht for the Muslims would fit into that paradigm just as comfortably and obviously pleasingly as it does into yours.

They don't want us all dead. Not really.


Umm. It's a stated goal of al-Q. That everyone in the West dies. As soon as it is practical to do it.

Umm. It's a stated goal of al-Q. That everyone in the West dies. As soon as it is practical to do it.

Right. Which would be "never." Because it is always practical to have that enemy that people like you and terrorists seem to need.

Right. Which would be "never." Because it is always practical to have that enemy that people like you and terrorists seem to need.

No. The only way they can live with a Dar al-Islam that is safe from external corruption is if that source no longer exists.

Smallpox has been held up in their own documents as a way to achieve this. Between the massive number of deaths from the disease itself, they foresee the collapse of our civilization as a result, with billions of deaths.

No. The only way they can live with a Dar al-Islam that is safe from external corruption is if that source no longer exists.

Oh, so that's their motivation? safety from external corruption? Shit, that's what they said, it must be true.
My fat ass.
Their motivation is hatred. And haters just need someone or something to constantly hate.

Uh ... I think you've got your Presidents mixed up. Wilson was Pres during WWI, Roosevelt was Pres during WWII.
Actually, I think he was talking about WWI. We didn't come into that conflict until really late in the game--Wilson's 1916 re-election campaign was based on "He kept us out of the war," after all--but there was a lot of on-the-side dealing going on between Wilson and Britain at that time.

I dont understand that declaring some group as angel or devıl? There are muslim terrorist but that doesnt mean that other muslims are sympathizer or something. Why USA insists on using a sledgehammer in its own house to hunt down some mice?

It looks likes the WW2, USA putting all japanese to concentration camps. Putting a propaganda about 'yellow devıls'. LAter they started the communist hunt killing all 'reds'. Now its muslims, I wonder what will it be after muslims? Because one day this will too end and they will need another enemy.
Especialy the tapes shown immediately after 9/11 were showing dancing arabs, celebrating were taken from a circumsising celebration, taken a few years ago and held in archives. But that moment it was stamped into peoples memories that all muslims were happy that americans died. Im a turk, a muslim and I remember I was worried if any of my friends were in, or perhaps one of my relatives? Aah forget it, they are spending billions of dollars to provoke hate. LEts watch what will happen.

I dont understand that declaring some group as angel or devıl? There are muslim terrorist but that doesnt mean that other muslims are sympathizer or something. Why USA insists on using a sledgehammer in its own house to hunt down some mice?

It looks likes the WW2, USA putting all japanese to concentration camps. Putting a propaganda about 'yellow devıls'. LAter they started the communist hunt killing all 'reds'. Now its muslims, I wonder what will it be after muslims? Because one day this will too end and they will need another enemy.
Especialy the tapes shown immediately after 9/11 were showing dancing arabs, celebrating were taken from a circumsising celebration, taken a few years ago and held in archives. But that moment it was stamped into peoples memories that all muslims were happy that americans died. Im a turk, a muslim and I remember I was worried if any of my friends were in, or perhaps one of my relatives? Aah forget it, they are spending billions of dollars to provoke hate. LEts watch what will happen.


Umm. The videos I saw were celebrating 9-11.

Umm. The videos I saw were celebrating 9-11.

Yeah there were 5 Israelis dressed as arabs in liberty state park in jersey city filming it as it happened and dancing. Israelis were celebrating 9/11.

Umm. The videos I saw were celebrating 9-11.
Are you absolutely sure about that? I saw some videos that seemed to be celebrations of 9/11 and were portrayed that way by the news media, and they turned out to be stock footage later on. I'm sure there were some people celebrating, just like there would be some people celebrating if Riyadh or Teheran suddenly disappeared under a mushroom cloud, but you shouldn't extrapolate the celebrations of a few into the beliefs of the many.

Are you absolutely sure about that? I saw some videos that seemed to be celebrations of 9/11 and were portrayed that way by the news media, and they turned out to be stock footage later on. I'm sure there were some people celebrating, just like there would be some people celebrating if Riyadh or Teheran suddenly disappeared under a mushroom cloud, but you shouldn't extrapolate the celebrations of a few into the beliefs of the many.

Yes. I also recall the official statement from Saddam that day. It wasn't something you could confuse.

The tapes I saw were of Palestinians celebrating. I had a friend translate the banners for me.

He's an Egyptian, not an American, and had mixed feelings about 9-11. But he said the Palestinians were chanting and holding up signs on how great it was that Americans were dead.

Yes. I also recall the official statement from Saddam that day. It wasn't something you could confuse.

The tapes I saw were of Palestinians celebrating. I had a friend translate the banners for me.

He's an Egyptian, not an American, and had mixed feelings about 9-11. But he said the Palestinians were chanting and holding up signs on how great it was that Americans were dead.
Again--some. Not all, and I doubt either of us could even prove most.

You're saying it magnifies the problem 100 fold.

Prove it. You aren't even trying.
Prove "group dynamics" magnifies all that? Ok.

Red scare.
Anything with terrorism post-9/11, especially early months.
Muslim riots in France.

DK,

Check your TG.

Winner of the Partisan Award for Outstanding Generalisations in Paranoid Paramilitarism: Deep Kimchi.

Winner of the Blackshirt Award for Excellence in Dogmatic Social Darwinism: Bogmarsh.

Your posts are scary.

Don't forget to give Kimchi the Dirty Brown-Skinned Borg Final Solution Award for repeatedly emphasizing that the United States ought to "give up morality" and systematically eradicate Muslims globally.

Don't forget to give Kimchi the Dirty Brown-Skinned Borg Final Solution Award for repeatedly emphasizing that the United States ought to "give up morality" and systematically eradicate Muslims globally.
You mean the Anne Coulter Award?

Let's solve this and all other problems once and for all. All we need to do is give everyone a gun, put the guns to our temples, and pull the trigger.

Yes, I'm aware that that's asinine and ridiculous. So is this thread. For God's sake, Kimchi, let's just take your attitude to the extreme and nuke everyone that isn't an American, and hope that the fallout doesn't kill us (but it will). And Nazz, et al, Here's a suggestion: why don't you get an even bigger stick to poke the troll with? I bet if we throw ad hominem insults around enough, we'll all get banned. (yes, I do it, too. sometimes I really hate my temper) :rolleyes:

Typical, DK, just typical. You did not read your own source, yet again. Ye gods, this is getting old with you.

As Ultraextreme Sanity has already pointed out, the editorial DOES NOT say anything at all about "rounding up" anyone. All it does is describe the threat posed by Islamist hate groups within the US (and Canada). It goes on about this at length. Then, in the last two paragraphs, it suggests, somewhat anti-climactically, that such groups should be monitored. I quote the last two paragraphs in their entirety:

To combat this threat, Americans must face it openly. They must admit, firstly, that it exists - and that it comes, primarily, from fringes of the Muslim community. And they must be willing to give law-enforcement agents ample latitude to monitor these groups.

Such steps won't guarantee that an attack will never take place here. But they surely will give America its best chance.

Despite the alarming content that preceded it, this seems like a perfectly reasonable conclusion to me, but apparently, it wasn't bigoted enough to suit you. You have to actually misrepresent the content of this editorial just to give yourself another opportunity to play act your own private fascist jackboot fantasies. Pathetic.

Just start hiring Arabic agents to watch suspected mosques. Get more aggressive.

I look somewhat arabic, a thicker beard and an accent and I could pass for a palestinian pretty easily.

HIRE Me! Hire me!

Just start hiring Arabic agents to watch suspected mosques. Get more aggressive.
Well, we turned in one of our co-workers this past spring.

Well, we turned in one of our co-workers this past spring.

What do you mean? Did you accuse someone of being a terrorist?

What do you mean? Did you accuse someone of being a terrorist?
No. But we did inform the FBI that he was suddenly taking trips (very short trips) to Pakistan, and spending huge sums of money with no logical explanation as to where it came from.

He's gone now.

Well, we turned in one of our co-workers this past spring.

Convicted? Bragging? Faker?

Convicted? Bragging? Faker?
We don't know what happened to him.

Well, if we do round up all the Muslims, how is that a "win" in the terrorist books?

The terrorists want us all dead - how is having us put their potential supporters in camps an achievement of that goal?

...

I didn't respect you before I entered this thread, and now it's gone down to a new level of me simply despising you.

You mean the Ann Coulter Award?

Heh heh heh. The trophy can be a set of shark jaws.

Heh heh heh. The trophy can be a set of shark jaws.

Nestled within the gums of her labia.

...

I didn't respect you before I entered this thread, and now it's gone down to a new level of me simply despising you.

You ought to see the one Zarqawi Killed thread then where he simply advocated Muslim Genocide and the use of biological warfare to sterilize every Muslim in the world... as if Muslims were a different species from humanity.

You ought to see the one Zarqawi Killed thread then where he simply advocated Muslim Genocide and the use of biological warfare to sterilize every Muslim in the world... as if Muslims were a different species from humanity.

and you're thinking it couldn't be done....

Nestled within the gums of her labia.

Owwwwww... :D

And its nickname can either be The Annie, or The Vagina Dentata.

Owwwwww... :D

And its nickname can either be The Annie, or The Vagina Dentata.
Carcharodon vaginas

and you're thinking it couldn't be done....

Can it be done? Yes.

Can it be done to affect just Muslims and not mutate into a strain that sterilizes every human? Hell no. Islam is a religion, not a genetic trait.

Can it be done? Yes.

Can it be done to affect just Muslims and not mutate into a strain that sterilizes every human? Hell no. Islam is a religion, not a genetic trait.

Theoretically, it's an engineering problem.

I look somewhat arabic, a thicker beard and an accent and I could pass for a palestinian pretty easily.

HIRE Me! Hire me!
Yes, please hire him. He loves to pretend to be things he isn't. And don't forget to get video of him working undercover. I would pay money to see that drag act.

Heh heh heh. The trophy can be a set of shark jaws.
That spew noxious gas.

Theoretically, it's an engineering problem.

Yeah. An "engineering problem" that has no solution to date, otherwise we'd also have the cure for HIV and Avian Influenza.

Yes, please hire him. He loves to pretend to be things he isn't. And don't forget to get video of him working undercover. I would pay money to see that drag act.
Don't forget the Danish Mohammed Parachute

Theoretically, it's an engineering problem.
Yes, an engineering problem how to mass murder people because of their religion without anyone knowing about it.

Case example #1 of American bigotry, ignorance/stupidity, and hatred.

Yes, an engineering problem how to mass murder people because of their religion without anyone knowing about it.

Case example #1 of American bigotry, ignorance/stupidity, and hatred.

How is sterilization mass murder?

How is sterilization mass murder?
I wasn't paying attention, but line two stands as is.

I doubt it would take a major attack on anything, overall, Americans are bigotted, hateful, and ignorant.

This is a HUMAN condition, not just an American condition.

Don't forget the Danish Mohammed Parachute
You are not permitted to speak to me as if we know each other. Even if we did know each other, you would not have that permission. The only thing I want to hear from you is an admission that you deliberately misrepresented your own source in this thread and that, therefore, we are justified in concluding that your OP is crap.

We have already concluded that, btw. I just want you to concede the point.

Their motivation is hatred. And haters just need someone or something to constantly hate.
I trust you'll spot me here and not invoke Godwin's Law, because the comment is relevant -- but is this the example history saw in Nazi Germany? Hitler hated the Jews, but he certainly had no intentions of keeping any of them around. more currently, is this the example we're seeing in Darfur? do we see people who just want someone to hate?

I'm not making any comment whatsoever on the subject of whether or not al Qaeda and militant Islam is like that, but you seem to be suggesting that genocide doesn't exist. history proves otherwise.

How is sterilization mass murder?

It's not mass murder, but it's certainly a lengthy and delayed genocide since the ultimate goal is the extinction of a certain ethnicity. It won't kill off Islam unless you're willing to invest the United States' entire resource on finding and burning every copy of the Qu'ran out there, along with everyone knows even a single verse from it.

This is a HUMAN condition, not just an American condition.
Don't say that! Pantless believes that ONLY Americans can do something wrong - not that he's proven that yet, but he's working on it!

Case example #1 of American bigotry, ignorance/stupidity, and hatred.
there are just shy of 300 million people in the United States. do you think it would be possible for you to not take the comments of one person and extrapolate them as being the opinion of an entire nation?

This is a HUMAN condition, not just an American condition.
I don't think all Muslims should be secretly neutered by a designer virus.

I don't think all Muslims should be secretly neutered by a tailored virus.
Ah, but many groups wish it were possible to do to other groups.

You think that only Americans could do such a thing.

there are just shy of 300 million people in the United States. do you think it would be possible for you to not take the comments of one person and extrapolate them as being the opinion of an entire nation?

But it's okay to do that with Muslims? The 101st Fighting Keyboarders here on General seem to think so.

But it's okay to do that with Muslims? The 101st Fighting Keyboarders here on General seem to think so.

Are they representative of all Americans?

Ah, but many groups wish it were possible to do to other groups.

You think that only Americans could do such a thing.
I already cited Case Ex 1, we are moving on.

I don't think all Muslims should be secretly neutered by a designer virus.
guess what? despite the fact that I was born in and live in America, and truly love this country, neither do I. nor do probably somewhere in the area of 298,244,000 of my 298,244,215 countrymen. that's the point I think people are trying to make to you.

But it's okay to do that with Muslims? The 101st Fighting Keyboarders here on General seem to think so.
certainly not! don't lump me in with them.

I question from time to time why there isn't more outrage in the Muslim world about extremist Islam, wahhabism, etc; but then, if I lived in a country where I was likely to be jailed or beheaded for speaking out against it, I'd probably play it cool too.

certainly not! don't lump me in with them.
You're new here (supposedly), I think you should stop arguing with people familiar with the nature of a number of beasts..

I already cited Case Ex 1, we are moving on.
If you're doing them one at a time, it will take forever to prove it.

You're new here (supposedly), I think you should stop arguing with people familiar with the nature of a number of beasts..
maybe so, but dude, this isn't about those beasts. you're making broad generalizations about an entire country based on your interactions with those so-called beasts, and I take issue with it.

If you're doing them one at a time, it will take forever to prove it.
Prove it to who? You? Who cares about you? You are a case example thus your opinion is so virulent it won't be convinced even by the mass genocide of all American Muslims.

maybe so, but dude, this isn't about those beasts. you're making broad generalizations about an entire country based on your interactions with them, and I take issue with it.
You should read more news/watch more tv/listen to more radio.

You should read more news/watch more tv/listen to more radio.
well argued.

I trust you'll spot me here and not invoke Godwin's Law, because the comment is relevant

Eh, I think Godwin's Law is irrelevant, invoked or not. It's actually gotten to be more annoying than Nazi comparisons themselves..

-- but is this the example history saw in Nazi Germany? Hitler hated the Jews, but he certainly had no intentions of keeping any of them around.

And yet he seemed pretty bad at committing genocide, if by genocide we mean "extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group." He was able to kill many people within his political-military control, not as many people outside of it, and nowhere near the amount he would have thought he wanted or might have said he'd like. As for his intentions, do you think a man like Hitler would still lack enemies to hate even if all the enemies he hated were dead to a man woman and child? Him and people like Stalin: there's always SOMEONE to blame for all his fucked-up psychological issues. It's the same with terrorists.

Anyway, in both WWII and today, it doesn't seem to mean the only solution is to commit genocide against anyone who shares an ethnicity of someone who is currently advocating genocide. (Which is what Deep Kimchi's viewpoint is: kill or imprison all Muslims, because some Muslims are terrorists.)

more currently, is this the example we're seeing in Darfur? do we see people who just want someone to hate?

Yes. They have a love of hatred, and indirectly a love of that which they hate. This is called obsession. It's why people who have this viewpoint (hate and advocate the death of all X race/religion/nationality) are similar no matter what their political hatred currently is. People joke about a "love-hate relationship" but in this case, that's exactly what it is.

Genocide isn't the solution; marriage is. ;)

I'm not making any comment whatsoever on the subject of whether or not al Qaeda and militant Islam is like that, but you seem to be suggesting that genocide doesn't exist. history proves otherwise.

My suggestion was that advocating genocide doesn't mean you're capable of committing it or even want to commit it yourself.

My suggestion was that advocating genocide doesn't mean you're capable of committing it or even want to commit it yourself.
No sense in explaining that to anyone here. In a minute, they'll say you're as evil as DK.

I don't really think that's universally applicable, but you raise some good points that I'm sure are relevant to some of the world's conflicts.

No sense in explaining that to anyone here. In a minute, they'll say you're as evil as DK.
in fairness, I would say that there is some degree of ignominy that goes along with making the suggestion, whether or not one is willing or able to follow up on it.

in fairness, I would say that there is some degree of ignominy that goes along with making the suggestion, whether or not one is willing or able to follow up on it.
Unlike some here, I'm more than willing to admit to my baser instincts. People who deny that they have any of the baser instincts are the most likely to act on them in an impromptu fashion.

In other news, George Bush flew the bin Laden family out of the US after September 11th.

Who's really helping terrorists?

And the CIA still bribes "rival warlords" in Afghanistan to blow each other up. Didn't that policy come back to smack you in the face 4 and a bit years ago?

No sense in explaining that to anyone here. In a minute, they'll say you're as evil as DK.
You were advocating it, plain and simple. The way you were talking about it implied you would agree with it being done, or that a way should be figured out that it could be.

Where do you think the West Virginians came from originally?


Their uncles ?

You were advocating it, plain and simple. The way you were talking about it implied you would agree with it being done, or that a way should be figured out that it could be.
One would surmise that no matter what anyone planned to do to stop terrorism by direct means, you would oppose it.

One would surmise that no matter what anyone planned to do to stop terrorism by direct means, you would oppose it.
Most nations bring it upon themselves, to be honest.

Most nations bring it upon themselves, to be honest.
Can't stop it once it gets to a certain point. Osama isn't going to negotiate over this.

Oh, I seem to recall people saying that it would never come to this - that people would rise up and fight against giving a free hand in monitoring and rounding up people just because they belong to certain groups.

Here's an editorial that seems to be openly calling for something to be done. As we get more and more stories of certain Muslims doing this sort of thing in various Western countries, how long before voices like this get loud enough and persistent enough that we all participate in the Great Roundup?

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/editorial/the_fifth_column_editorial_.htm

I think it's not too far off. Just one more major attack in the US, and it will happen.

So being in the Gestapo now makes you popular with the girls?

Can't stop it once it gets to a certain point. Osama isn't going to negotiate over this.
Well then maybe it shouldn't have been started...

So being in the Gestapo now makes you popular with the girls?
In the future, it won't hurt.

I've already seen one instance of people turning in a co-worker.

The writer of the editorial was merely suggesting that law enforcement be permitted to keep an eye on groups of fringe Muslims. And that's a bad thing? If you had a group of flag burning Muslims living next door to you, wouldn't you want the cops "keeping an eye on them"? Wouldn't YOU be keeping an eye on them? :headbang:

One would surmise that no matter what anyone planned to do to stop terrorism by direct means, you would oppose it.
Did everyone see that? He just stated all Muslims are terrorists (and implied only Muslims can be terrorists).

In the future, it won't hurt.

I've already seen one instance of people turning in a co-worker.

Interesting. Maybe I'll become a "collaborator" once they take over the world.

The writer of the editorial was merely suggesting that law enforcement be permitted to keep an eye on groups of fringe Muslims. And that's a bad thing? If you had a group of flag burning Muslims living next door to you, wouldn't you want the cops "keeping an eye on them"? Wouldn't YOU be keeping an eye on them? :headbang:
I don't see why it's just Muslims. Look at the Christian nutters out there, too.

In fact, why not just watch everyone?

Oh! Silly me! They do!

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."

Teh_pantless_hero, I'll throw you a bone and acknowledge that coming into this, you knew 'the beast' better than I.

there's still time for you to acknowledge that you were wrong to extend his views to the majority of the US. ;)

Unlike some here, I'm more than willing to admit to my baser instincts.

Advocation of genocide isn't instinct. Instinct is something that it doesn't require intelligence (as in capable of abstract thinking) to do. It's impossible to have an instinct to kill all people based on what religion they follow. Because unless you happen to have all Muslims in the world gathered in a big circle around you or something, the concept of "all Muslims in the world" is abstract, and poorly definable even with the most accurate statistics.

It's higher thinking. Planning. If we found all Muslims in the world dead by the knife wounds from a 2-mile long knife, and DK sitting there with a bloody 2-mile long knife in his hands. And sure, you might say anyone might have a bloody 2-mile long knife. That's not only why DK would be found guilty of genocide. It'd be because he advocated it many times before as well. He premeditated, in other words. Higher thinking.

"Baser instinct," seems to me you're 'admitting' to having a normal "instinct" of getting angry. That's not what people are criticizing you for. We're criticizing you because you seriously, soberly and repeatedly advocate genocide and that's not some ubiquitous human feature. It's common enough to be despicable in all forms, but not common enough for you to shrug and dismiss as "instinct." It's no more instinctive than strapping a bomb to your chest.

You're absolutely right, they SHOULD keep an eye on everybody. It's called law enforcement! When the cops do their job they're fascists, when they don't, they're worthless. It's a lose-lose situation.

Did everyone see that? He just stated all Muslims are terrorists (and implied only Muslims can be terrorists).
I don't see the word "Muslim" in the sentence I used.

Perhaps you need to clean your glasses or your screen.

Here's the thing...is it still racial profiling despite the fact that the majority of terrorists trying to target us do indeed have some level of Arab/Middle Eastern roots?

I doubt it would take a major attack on anything, overall, Americans are bigotted, hateful, and ignorant.
And, apparently, so are you.

You're absolutely right, they SHOULD keep an eye on everybody. It's called law enforcement! When the cops do their job they're fascists, when they don't, they're worthless. It's a lose-lose situation.
I'm against surveillance. Strongly against...

Here's the thing...is it still racial profiling despite the fact that the majority of terrorists trying to target us do indeed have some level of Arab/Middle Eastern roots?

We demand equal invasion of privacy of all races!

Here's the thing...is it still racial profiling despite the fact that the majority of terrorists trying to target us do indeed have some level of Arab/Middle Eastern roots?
Yeah. It is.

I don't see the word "Muslim" in the sentence I used.

Perhaps you need to clean your glasses or your screen.
Oh please, maybe not plainly stated, but you made it completely clear you consider all Muslims to be terrorists.

Oh please, maybe not plainly stated, but you made it completely clear you consider all Muslims to be terrorists.

No, I do not. But surely as Mao said, they are the river in which the fish swim.

I don't see the word "Muslim" in the sentence I used.

Perhaps you need to clean your glasses or your screen.

Which is why you called for the creation of a virus to sterilize all "terrorists."

:rolleyes:

Oh please, maybe not plainly stated, but you made it completely clear you consider all Muslims to be terrorists.
He hates muslims. You hate Americans.
Both of you are disgustingly divisive and are the embodiment of what is wrong with the world.

He hates muslims. You hate Americans.
Both of you are disgustingly divisive and are the embodiment of what is wrong with the world.
I do not hate Americans. I have a pessimistic view of humanity and despise the American sense of priviledge, entitlement, and superiority.

And neither am I advocating the destruction of Americans through one method or another.

I do not hate Americans. I have a pessimistic view of humanity and despise the American sense of priviledge, entitlement, and superiority.

And neither am I advocating the destruction of Americans through one method or another.

...and they're fat.

I do not hate Americans. I have a pessimistic view of humanity and despise the American sense of priviledge, entitlement, and superiority.

And neither am I advocating the destruction of Americans through one method or another.

I do not hate Muslims. I have a pessimistic view of humanity, and despise the people who make political decisions on the basis of conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality - most especially "for the common good". I despise the world's view that somehow the US is not entitled to its riches, its resources, and its position of military superiority. If almost any other nation had these things, the world would be in a dark age from which we would never emerge.

I do not hate Muslims.
You just advocate their genocide.

I know I'm not the only one who read all of what he wrote and immediately registered "jingoist" in my head.

You just advocate their genocide.

I know I'm not the only one who read all of what he wrote and immediately registered "jingoist" in my head.


you should see a shrink about that .

I do not hate Muslims. I have a pessimistic view of humanity, and despise the people who make political decisions on the basis of conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality - most especially "for the common good". I despise the world's view that somehow the US is not entitled to its riches, its resources, and its position of military superiority. If almost any other nation had these things, the world would be in a dark age from which we would never emerge.

You reject moral discourse yet you believe America is entitled to anything? Notions such as entitlement are subjective evaluative judgment, just like the notion of obligation. America isn’t entitled to shit, if someone can take your stuff away, and hypothetical imperatives don’t work, tough luck.

you should see a shrink about that .
I think you misspelled insanity.

I'm surprise no one have challenged DK on his own terms, all you have to do is question the instrumental value of his purposed genocide. BTW, I’d think his genocide would backfire, once they began, I bet the state would consider life so worthless that they’d begin killing other dissidents: commies, liberals, academics, other religious groups, anyone who thinks, swingers, etc.

BTW, I’d think his genocide would backfire, once they began, I bet the state would consider life so worthless that they’d begin killing other dissidents: commies, liberals, academics, other religious groups, anyone who thinks, swingers, etc.

Except for swingers and anyone who thinks, I don't think he'd consider that a 'backfire.'

I'm surprise no one have challenged DK on his own terms, all you have to do is question the instrumental value of his purposed genocide. BTW, I’d think his genocide would backfire, once they began, I bet the state would consider life so worthless that they’d begin killing other dissidents: commies, liberals, academics, other religious groups, anyone who thinks, swingers, etc.


Unfortunately, this is possible. There are plenty of people who'd like to do that now.

Unfortunately, this is possible. There are plenty of people who'd like to do that now.

Its strikes me as obvious that genocide is unnecessary to achieve his ends, thus I'm compelled to think that he maintains additional motives.

DK is an evil person.

Read "For Love of Evil" by Piers Anthony to understand what I mean by that. In fact, read the whole Incarnations of Immortality series to really understand it. He's Satan, except he doesn't have the intelligence or the foresight to do what's right. He also doesn't understand that the ends do not justify the means and that inequality in one is inequality in all.

To put it shortly, he's an idiot with just enough intelligence to try to do as much harm as possible.

Do you doubt their will be resistance?

Would there be resistance, you bet and not just from the Muslim community. Such an act would be wrong. End of story. There would be more surveillance on “some” of the Muslim groups, and there should. Have to keep on top of suspect groups.

Don't you think that repurcussions will be harsh? Do you think the UN would stand for it?

And just what would the UN do. They are powerless.

No. Think of just what it will do to the state of the nation.

Very much doubt any such thing will happen. So why worry, no matter what the US does the rest of the world will hate us anyway, so who gives a rats ass what they think.

I do not hate Americans. I have a pessimistic view of humanity and despise the American sense of priviledge, entitlement, and superiority.

And neither am I advocating the destruction of Americans through one method or another.
But you are making that separateness that Americans feel worse. As long as people like you are going around insulting Americans, the only criteria being where they where born and where they choose to call home, it is only natural that they will continue to feel separate from the world and the greater human race.

I doubt it would take a major attack on anything, overall, Americans are bigotted, hateful, and ignorant.

You do realize the gent in question was arrested in LONDON, right?

And I guess that as long as the US wants to blow stuff up in the Middle East and as long as people such as yourself call for genocide against Muslims, there will always be these "homegrown" sympathizers.

If anything, your hateful attitude towards Muslims, clearly displayed on these forums, adds fuel to the inferno. Hate can be infectious and you can suspect that the ramifications will be horrendous.

BTW, how did you like the 17 arrested in the fair nation of Canada?
Does Canada blow stuff up in the Middle East?

I doubt it would take a major attack on anything, overall, Americans are bigotted, hateful, and ignorant.

Just how many of us do you know? Generalizations are, generally, false.

You do realize the gent in question was arrested in LONDON, right?
Deep Kimchi was arrested in London? Or was it Corneliu? Or DesignatedMarksman? Or Fred Phelps? Or Ann Coulter? Or etc etc

Deep Kimchi was arrested in London? Or was it Corneliu? Or DesignatedMarksman? Or Fred Phelps? Or Ann Coulter? Or etc etc
They don't have BTOpenZone Internet service in London prisons.

I do not hate Muslims. I have a pessimistic view of humanity, and despise the people who make political decisions on the basis of conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality - most especially "for the common good". I despise the world's view that somehow the US is not entitled to its riches, its resources, and its position of military superiority. If almost any other nation had these things, the world would be in a dark age from which we would never emerge.

Riiiiight, because obviously there were never any technological, political or social advances prior to the founding of the USA, or indeed any in other countries since. :rolleyes:

Riiiiight, because obviously there were never any technological, political or social advances prior to the founding of the USA, or indeed any in other countries since. :rolleyes:
Although I don't disagree with all Deep Kimchi says, such a view is ludicrous. Why, he seems to completely ignore the Renaissance, the Enlightenment and Europe's rebirth following the two great wars. The US is a young nation. Most European ones span back thousands of years in history. Give it time, and it too will manage to mess things up.

Deep Kimchi was arrested in London? Or was it Corneliu? Or DesignatedMarksman? Or Fred Phelps? Or Ann Coulter? Or etc etc

So sorry, I thought you'd actually, you know, read the article provided by the OP when he made his leap to "rounding up Muslims" and you made your "Americans are bigoted" remarks.

My mistake.

Oh, I seem to recall people saying that it would never come to this - that people would rise up and fight against giving a free hand in monitoring and rounding up people just because they belong to certain groups.

Here's an editorial that seems to be openly calling for something to be done. As we get more and more stories of certain Muslims doing this sort of thing in various Western countries, how long before voices like this get loud enough and persistent enough that we all participate in the Great Roundup?

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/editorial/the_fifth_column_editorial_.htm

I think it's not too far off. Just one more major attack in the US, and it will happen.

Dont you mean the "final solution" ?

So sorry, I thought you'd actually, you know, read the article provided by the OP when he made his leap to "rounding up Muslims" and you made your "Americans are bigoted" remarks.

My mistake.
My remarks had nothing to do with the article.

Unlike some here, I'm more than willing to admit to my baser instincts. People who deny that they have any of the baser instincts are the most likely to act on them in an impromptu fashion.
Then why don't you admit to the base instinct that makes you misrepresent your own sources in order to fabricate support for your worthless arguments?

In the future, it won't hurt.

I've already seen one instance of people turning in a co-worker.
You've SEEN once instance? Weren't you bragging that you were in on it yourself?

But at least now we're getting close to you coming out of the closet as a wannabe Nazi.

You're absolutely right, they SHOULD keep an eye on everybody. It's called law enforcement! When the cops do their job they're fascists, when they don't, they're worthless. It's a lose-lose situation.
It's good that you read the editorial, but did you read the thread, too?

First of all, Deep Kimchi misrepresented his source. The editorial clearly says such groups should be monitored by the cops. Deep Kimchi claims that this is a call for all Muslims to be "rounded up." He is clearly lying about the content of the editorial.

Second, we have moved on from this to his new favorite hobby of advocating genocide, which means, by the way, that he is advocating a crime.

It has nothing to do with cops monitoring suspect groups at this point.

No, I do not. But surely as Mao said, they are the river in which the fish swim.
You are liar.

That is the nicest thing I could possibly say to you in response to the above comment, because if you are not lying and you really don't think all Muslims are terrorists, then in your calls for all Muslims to be wiped out in order to end terrorism, you already know that you will be deliberately killing innocent people.

Genocide is a crime. So is murder. Two separate crimes. And if you are not lying here, then you are advocating both.

I do not hate Muslims. I have a pessimistic view of humanity, and despise the people who make political decisions on the basis of conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality - most especially "for the common good".
That is what politics is about, doing things for the common good. Laws are actually agreements on what most people think is a swell idea for the community. Any law protecting minorities are moral laws. But you seem to prefer might makes right, which would entitle me to pound your face into the concrete without any conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality.

I despise the world's view that somehow the US is not entitled to its riches, its resources, and its position of military superiority. If almost any other nation had these things, the world would be in a dark age from which we would never emerge.
You are obviously a superiour breed, Herr Übermensch. :rolleyes:
And no, you are not really entitled to those ressources you do not own on your own soil. And yes, a lot of people in your country, as well as mine, would be very appalled if they'd see in their face how their riches are payed for. And yes, of course you are entitled to have military superiourity, you are spending more than the rest of the world combined for it.

Then why don't you admit to the base instinct that makes you misrepresent your own sources in order to fabricate support for your worthless arguments?

Maybe you should read this then:

So sorry, I thought you'd actually, you know, read the article provided by the OP when he made his leap to "rounding up Muslims" and you made your "Americans are bigoted" remarks.

My mistake

Maybe you should read this then:
I did read it, pages ago. What about it? What does that have to do with the fact that you claimed the NY Post editorial is a call to "round up" Muslims when, in fact, the editorial very clearly says no such thing? Hm?

Take all the time you need. I'll wait.

I did read it, pages ago. What about it? What does that have to do with the fact that you claimed the NY Post editorial is a call to "round up" Muslims when, in fact, the editorial very clearly says no such thing? Hm?

Take all the time you need. I'll wait.

Let's look, shall we?

Oh, I seem to recall people saying that it would never come to this - that people would rise up and fight against giving a free hand in monitoring and rounding up people just because they belong to certain groups.

Well, the US seems to be giving more and more of a free hand in monitoring, and no one is stopping it. There's even instances now of the appeals courts giving the current administration exactly what it wants for surveillance, and yet I don't see you in the street. In fact, people like you are practically invisible (at least in the DC area).

Monitoring leads to roundups, or haven't you studied history? Especially if the government can monitor and conduct surveillance with no real opposition.

Here's an editorial that seems to be openly calling for something to be done. As we get more and more stories of certain Muslims doing this sort of thing in various Western countries, how long before voices like this get loud enough and persistent enough that we all participate in the Great Roundup?

Here I am clearly saying that if this continues, there will be a roundup - not that there is one now, or that this article is saying there is a roundup.

Learn to speak English, and maybe you'll have an easier time reading posts.

What was the Bruce Willis movie where they rounded up all the people of Middle Eastern descent, except for the cop, who was the actor from Wings?

Anyways, its not out of the realm of possibility.
Its been less than 70 years since we did it to our own people of Japanese descent.

What was the Bruce Willis movie where they rounded up all the people of Middle Eastern descent, except for the cop, who was the actor from Wings?

The Siege. The cop was played by Tony Shalhoub.

Anyways, its not out of the realm of possibility.
Its been less than 70 years since we did it to our own people of Japanese descent.

At least the Japanese were merely interned. If you can extrapolate current attitudes from the 101st Fighting Keyboarders, the Muslims would be sterilized or shot.

I doubt it would take a major attack on anything, overall, Americans are bigotted, hateful, and ignorant.

I'm an american, and I agree with you.

a second US civil war is on the way!

Why bother with round-ups? Dedicated units are more than capable for handling it asymetrically. Take your lessons from Serbian paramilitaries operating in Sarajevo. Take your lessons from the insurgency in Iraq. Whatever tactics are used against an occupying army can be easily used against a target minority population in a country. Does al Qaida think they're the only one that knows how to make IEDs and employ sniper rifles? It doesn't have to be a government that wages a war. In India, after Pakistani militants massacred Hindus, the people surrounded Muslim sections of town and lit it up. Whoever ran out was macheted and whoever stayed inside burned. No government will be able to control the mobs and no police or fireman, after losing so many brothers in the next attack, will stop the death squads that will emerge.

A mass attack is coming. Word has it that al Qaida hried MS-13 to smuggle 20 tac nukes and technicians into the US. You have to maintain your personal military potential in preparation for that day. The main threat to that is not jihadists, but local politicians who will attempt to legislate away your ability to defend yourself.

In the long term, it will be your children who will win this war. Don't let them waste their time with pop music and computer games. Make sure they learn math and science, which is the path to engineering, biology, chemistry, immunology, nuclear physics and other fields necessary to develop technological solutions to our problem.

???

Why bother with round-ups? Dedicated units are more than capable for handling it asymetrically. Take your lessons from Serbian paramilitaries operating in Sarajevo. Take your lessons from the insurgency in Iraq. Whatever tactics are used against an occupying army can be easily used against a target minority population in a country. Does al Qaida think they're the only one that knows how to make IEDs and employ sniper rifles? It doesn't have to be a government that wages a war. In India, after Pakistani militants massacred Hindus, the people surrounded Muslim sections of town and lit it up. Whoever ran out was macheted and whoever stayed inside burned. No government will be able to control the mobs and no police or fireman, after losing so many brothers in the next attack, will stop the death squads that will emerge.

A mass attack is coming. Word has it that al Qaida hried MS-13 to smuggle 20 tac nukes and technicians into the US. You have to maintain your personal military potential in preparation for that day. The main threat to that is not jihadists, but local politicians who will attempt to legislate away your ability to defend yourself.

In the long term, it will be your children who will win this war. Don't let them waste their time with pop music and computer games. Make sure they learn math and science, which is the path to engineering, biology, chemistry, immunology, nuclear physics and other fields necessary to develop technological solutions to our problem.

Protect and Survive, people! (http://www.cybertrn.demon.co.uk/atomic/main.htm)

The UK (Boer War, where the concentration camp was invented).

Actually, no. It's where the term 'Concentration Camp' was invented.
There were instances of them prior to this, although it certainly appears to be among the earliest.

Which doesn't make it any better, of course.

Let's look, shall we?
Yes, let's look at how full of crap your argument is.

Well, the US seems to be giving more and more of a free hand in monitoring, and no one is stopping it.
This is an assumption of yours. I notice you offer no facts to back it up. This is because you have none. Everyone with any sense knows that more surveillance is necessary, but there are on-going disputes and studies in progress to figure out how to do it. This process is only just beginning, so your assumption that the US is already marching willingly towards some kind of police state is ridiculously premature -- as evidenced by your lack of supporting data.

There's even instances now of the appeals courts giving the current administration exactly what it wants for surveillance, and yet I don't see you in the street. In fact, people like you are practically invisible (at least in the DC area).
Another assumption. Since you don't know who I am, you really don't know what I do or where I do it, do you? Also, the DC area is not the only area in the country, and demonstrating in the street is not the only way to protest government action. In addition, as stated above, the arguments are just beginning and are on-going. So this remark of yours is really meaningless.

Monitoring leads to roundups, or haven't you studied history? Especially if the government can monitor and conduct surveillance with no real opposition.
I have studied history, and this statement of yours is patently false. All policing is monitoring, but roundups are historically rare. And even rarer are instances of roundups of any group that did not result in much of the rest of the society turning against their government, even if they lack the power to do more than secretly resist, as in Stalinist Russia and Nazi Germany. I do not believe that any government has been able to get away with rounding people up without any negative feedback since the Middle Ages when a few kings decided to expel Jews from their countries.

And, of course, since this is the case, we should not be surprised that you have no facts to post in support of your claim otherwise. So this is really nothing more than another expression of your fascist fantasies. Just another entry in DK's Jackboot Diaries.

Here I am clearly saying that if this continues, there will be a roundup - not that there is one now, or that this article is saying there is a roundup.

Learn to speak English, and maybe you'll have an easier time reading posts.
Hahaha. I have no trouble reading your simplistic posts. I love the way, when someone keeps throwing your arguments back in your face, you start trying to finesse your way out of your own message. No shit, there is no roundup now. You are calling for one. That would make it a future event, not a current one. You claim that this editorial is showing a trend towards roundups, but that is just plain not true. The gap between monitoring suspects and rounding up whole segments of the population is so great that your argument is rather like saying "This guy says A, therefore Q is just around the corner!" The fact is, there is not one thing in this editorial that would support your claims that your fantasy trend exists.

The bottom line is that YOU want to see roundups, and YOU are desperately searching for any statements other than your own that you could conceivably make seem to agree with you. So far, you have failed in every attempt, including this one. No one wants what you want, except you and a few neo-nazis.

I think it's not too far off. Just one more major attack in the US, and it will happen.
By certain groups do you mean terrorists? The sooner the better.

No one wants what you want, except you and a few neo-nazis.

And all of my co-workers, who turned in someone.

If the US rounded up Muslims it would just confirm the suspicions of many Europeans (mainly Germans) that the US is becoming a fascist country.

And all of my co-workers, who turned in someone.
Like I said.

Well, if we do round up all the Muslims, how is that a "win" in the terrorist books?

The terrorists want us all dead - how is having us put their potential supporters in camps an achievement of that goal?

it is an advert saying -look what the americans do to us-we must fight agains them, just as guantanimo bay recruits terrorists by the day.I feel sorry for the moderate majority of muslims who have to face discrimination because of what extremists do-mind you can you blame them for fighting the war on terror has been focused on muslims, no IRA has been arrested because of terrorism laws-just muslims, and just as the forsetgate incident shouws-innocent muslims.we just have to stop thinking in terms of them and us-it is a problem we all cause and all face.

Riiiiight, because obviously there were never any technological, political or social advances prior to the founding of the USA, or indeed any in other countries since. :rolleyes:

we are entering a dark age thanks to the us where suspicion of others is paramount and where the richest nation in the world is based on past(and present) slavery.the enslavement of the third world caused by america(and other nations of course -like my own)where their esources are exploited making them drasticly poor and us marginally richer.