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It was a good movie in all, but they left out a LOT of important deatils in the movie. I know it would be hard to fit it in, but come on, I'm sure men X-Men fans were really pissed.

Lets see how many X-Men fans play NS.
-What important facts and details did they leave out on the Juggernot?
-What important facts and details did they leave out on the Pheonix?
-What else did they leave out/change?

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I'm the juggernaut, bitch!

Liasia']I'm the juggernaut, bitch!

Spoiler:

No, that was there.

thats not what i asked for.... but o'well

The Juggernaught isn't a mutant. The Pheonix is actually an alien or something.

Reasons why they were left out: they were not relevant to the story, and would have wasted screentime.

Spoiler:

No, that was there.

I know, but it's vinnie jones and it doesn't have the same charm:p

It's not a fanboy thing, more of a gaff nerd thing, but Magneto pulls the Golden Gate bridge to Alcatraz in broad daylight, and then-in the next shot-the invasion of Alcatraz takes place in the dark of night.

I thought the Multiple Man was a good guy, but then I only became aware of him when he got his own book.

Liasia']I know, but it's vinnie jones and it doesn't have the same charm:p

True, true.

Anyway, the movie has significant differences from the comics. Just imagine it as an alternate universe or something.

many departures.

Wolverine didn't kill the Phoenix
Cyclops didn't die.
Rogue never took the "cure"
The part with the Bridge was lame. Why would you leave a path for troops to run across?

They might do a 4th but I doubt it.

The training scene with the Sentinal looked cool and I thought it was a "tickle" for a future movie.

Ahh well. I thought Cyclops, Jean Grey and Aurora were miscasted.

I thought the Multiple Man was a good guy, but then I only became aware of him when he got his own book.
Well, there's always time to turn things around. Look at Mystique.

The Juggernaught isn't a mutant. The Pheonix is actually an alien or something.

Reasons why they were left out: they were not relevant to the story, and would have wasted screentime.

The Juggernauts backround is a big part of the story. He's Charles Xavier's brother for crying out loud! Nerd alert!

He's always been jelous of his brother and when he found the magic crystal that turned him into the juggernaut, he was burried for 20 years, thinking nothing but how much he hated his brother. Thats why he joined magnito in the first place, that and he hates all mutants. I know explaining all this would take to much screen time, but commom, he's not a freaken mutant, and they could have atleast said "hello brother" when they went to find the pheonix at Gene's house.

many departures.

Wolverine didn't kill the Phoenix
Cyclops didn't die.
Rogue never took the "cure"
The part with the Bridge was lame. Why would you leave a path for troops to run across?

They might do a 4th but I doubt it.

The training scene with the Sentinal looked cool and I thought it was a "tickle" for a future movie.

Ahh well. I thought Cyclops, Jean Grey and Aurora were miscasted.

they never said cyclops died. he's missing. they put the tomb just in case :D

many departures.

Wolverine didn't kill the Phoenix
Cyclops didn't die.
Rogue never took the "cure"
The part with the Bridge was lame. Why would you leave a path for troops to run across?

They might do a 4th but I doubt it.

The training scene with the Sentinal looked cool and I thought it was a "tickle" for a future movie.

Ahh well. I thought Cyclops, Jean Grey and Aurora were miscasted.

Yeah well, they didn't have it happen on the Moon, either. Scott's not dead. The cure wears off, evidently - it's not permanent. The bridge was just the sort of large-scale mayhem Magneto was known for in the comics.

I cannot figure out these people saying there won't be an X4. After watching it, I can't frankly see how they wouldn't make an X4.

I had no problem with the casting of Scott, Jean or Ororo. I thought I'd have trouble with Kelsey Grammer as Beast, but I thought he acquitted himself reasonably enough in the end.

Well, I don't think that Prince was a mutant in the comics.
That one with the shockwaves? Yeah...

Yeah well, they didn't have it happen on the Moon, either. Scott's not dead. The cure wears off, evidently - it's not permanent. The bridge was just the sort of large-scale mayhem Magneto was known for in the comics.

I cannot figure out these people saying there won't be an X4. After watching it, I can't frankly see how they wouldn't make an X4.

I had no problem with the casting of Scott, Jean or Ororo. I thought I'd have trouble with Kelsey Grammer as Beast, but I thought he acquitted himself reasonably enough in the end.

The moon fight would have been hard as it would introduce even more characters.

As to the casting; well I thought he looked too young for the character.

Jean always came across as the girl next door and Famke didn't do that for me.

Halle? Well Ororo always seemed to have a "majestic" quality to her mixed in with the street smart thief that she was. Halle was nice eye candy.

Overall the movie was ok. My wife liked it but she never read the X-Men.....

It's not a fanboy thing, more of a gaff nerd thing, but Magneto pulls the Golden Gate bridge to Alcatraz in broad daylight, and then-in the next shot-the invasion of Alcatraz takes place in the dark of night.

I thought the Multiple Man was a good guy, but then I only became aware of him when he got his own book.
I noticed that as well.

I didn't like how Psylocke wasn't at all what she was portrayed as in the comics. >_>

I also couldn't take Kelsey Grammer seriously as The Beast. It was Frasier and the guy from Cheers.

many departures.
Wolverine didn't kill the Phoenix
Cyclops didn't die.
Rogue never took the "cure"
Cyclops mightn't be dead. We never saw him die, remember?
Yeah, yeah wolvy didn't kill Phoenix, but this whole movie should have been called 'Wolverine, with special guests the X-Men and some others, but don't worry they won't be on-screen too long'.
Rogue in the movie was pretty sucky. She was good, and important, in X-Men I but really should have been written into a minor character by III, allowing a bit more character development for other, more interesting mutants. Like Colossus, Kitty Pryde, Juggernaut, Nightcrawler (where the hell was he?), Hank McCoy (who was seen in X-Men II as a human, so an explanation as to what happened to him would have been nice).

The part with the Bridge was lame. Why would you leave a path for troops to run across?
As a display of power to scare the norms

They might do a 4th but I doubt it.
Can't see it. They signed all the major actors for a trilogy, and since then Hugh has gone on to become a pretty major star. Think it'll cost too much to bring them all back. I think they had to do a bit of work to get Ian McKellen back for III, so I can't see him being that interested in a IV.

The training scene with the Sentinal looked cool and I thought it was a "tickle" for a future movie.
agreed.
I think a better movie would have been III being all about Phoenix, with perhaps both X-Men and the Brotherhood teaming up at the end to fight her, when they realise just how dangerous she's become.
The ensuring destruction and death from the final battle causes huge anger and hate towards mutants, and brings about the construction of the Sentinels to combat them, which is what X-Men IV is all about.

Cyclops mightn't be dead. We never saw him die, remember?
True. They way she dispatched everybody else; I took it as he was gone.


Yeah, yeah wolvy didn't kill Phoenix, but this whole movie should have been called 'Wolverine, with special guests the X-Men and some others, but don't worry they won't be on-screen too long'.


Did Wolvy seem to be not as dark this time?


Rogue in the movie was pretty sucky. She was good, and important, in X-Men I but really should have been written into a minor character by III, allowing a bit more character development for other, more interesting mutants. Like Colossus, Kitty Pryde, Juggernaut, Nightcrawler (where the hell was he?), Hank McCoy (who was seen in X-Men II as a human, so an explanation as to what happened to him would have been nice).


I have been trying to like her but you need a Texan to play a Texan. ;)

The world on Nightcrawler (gossip mind you) was that alan didn't want to be labeled as him or wanted way too much money. Damn shame! I thought he was on for the character.

Colosus: I wished they used him more. Did he sound American to you?

Kitty I liked.

Jugger. I do and I don't.

Kelsey was a surprise I thought he did good.


As a display of power to scare the norms

Yea I guess you are right.


Can't see it. They signed all the major actors for a trilogy, and since then Hugh has gone on to become a pretty major star. Think it'll cost too much to bring them all back. I think they had to do a bit of work to get Ian McKellen back for III, so I can't see him being that interested in a IV.


They probably won't. There is a Wolverine movie.

Marsden went to superman. A buddy thought they or he just wanted out so they got rid of him.
agreed.

There is a Magneto movie and Ian is interested but it involves Xavier so Stewart might be a problem.


I think a better movie would have been III being all about Phoenix, with perhaps both X-Men and the Brotherhood teaming up at the end to fight her, when they realise just how dangerous she's become.
The ensuring destruction and death from the final battle causes huge anger and hate towards mutants, and brings about the construction of the Sentinels to combat them, which is what X-Men IV is all about.

I agree!

Liasia']I'm the juggernaut, bitch!

That's the only reason I went to see XM3. I was sorely disapointed. Not nearly enough shouting.

"Oh yeah, it's the Juggernaut bitch! I got him now an' I'm gonna kill him an' I'm gonna rape him an' I'm gonna eat his fuckin' costume!"

Colosus: I wished they used him more. Did he sound American to you?
Very much so, the actor was a Canuck. Which annoyed me a bit. He was well cast - the actor's like 6'5" and was a former gridiron star before he broke his leg. But still...he should have been Russian.

I think Oleg Taktarov would have been an ideal choice. He played one of the pyschos on "15 Minutes" with Robert De Niro. He's Russian, a good actor and with a good body and is a great fighter (He's fought in the Ultimate Fighting Championships).
But that's me being a pedant for making movies as close to their source as possible. Guess they decided that Russians couldn't be on the good side yet.

I didn't like how Psylocke wasn't at all what she was portrayed as in the comics. >_>

I also couldn't take Kelsey Grammer seriously as The Beast. It was Frasier and the guy from Cheers.

The Beast was way too tame even if he did kick butt in the Alcatraz fight...

Psylocke wasn't even herself! I don't know what they were thinking

Wasn't Rogue supposed to be Phoenix??

Wasn't Rogue supposed to be Phoenix??
...no.

...no.

Ok well it's been a while since I've seen the old stuff.

does anybody know why nightcrawler mysteriously dissappeared in III? I guess maybe he wanted too much money so he was fired but they still could have thrown in aline about how he left to do something or died or something like that. An explanation on his absence would have been nice. All in all I liked the movie. In my opinion i think there is an X4 based on the short clip at the end of the credits.

does anybody know why nightcrawler mysteriously dissappeared in III? I guess maybe he wanted too much money so he was fired but they still could have thrown in aline about how he left to do something or died or something like that. An explanation on his absence would have been nice. All in all I liked the movie. In my opinion i think there is an X4 based on the short clip at the end of the credits.
He was at the funeral. I think we'll see more of him in the eventual obligatory 'Director's Cut', most likely.

The Beast was way too tame even if he did kick butt in the Alcatraz fight...

Psylocke wasn't even herself! I don't know what they were thinking

I didn't even notice Psylocke was in X3.

does anybody know why nightcrawler mysteriously dissappeared in III?
I read somewhere that his not being there is explained in the X-Men movie-game tie-in.
But as I haven't played, nor have any intention of playing, it I can't comment as to the accuracy of the above statement.

I didn't even notice Psylocke was in X3.
Me neither. Which one was she?

Me neither. Which one was she?

I didn't as well until it was mentioned here.

I think she was the one that claped her hands......

There is a Magneto movie and Ian is interested but it involves Xavier so Stewart might be a problem.
Not necessarily. It could be set earlier, before Xavier forms the X-Men. All about how these two met etc. There was a story in X-Men about that - issue 154 or something like that.
Of course the biggest problem would be then making them look much younger.

I didn't as well until it was mentioned here.

I think she was the one that claped her hands......
No, that was Shockwave. I remember Magneto saying, "Shockwave, take out their guns!", or something like that.

My biggest beef was how Phoenix was kinda weak in this one. Granted it would cost a small fortune, but a scene with her consuming a star would have been an instant Oscar.

He's always been jelous of his brother and when he found the magic crystal that turned him into the juggernaut, he was burried for 20 years, thinking nothing but how much he hated his brother. Thats why he joined magnito in the first place, that and he hates all mutants.

Although if you accept X-men:Evolution as canon, Juggy actually is a mutant whose powers have been massively amplified by the magic crystal.

No, that was Shockwave. I remember Magneto saying, "Shockwave, take out their guns!", or something like that.
That was Arclyte

That was Arclyte
Arclight. Arclyte sounds like he's 99% fat free.

Anyway, it wasn't Psylocke. We've established that. So who was she?

Me neither. Which one was she?

This was supposed to be her:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dd/Psylocke-X-Men_3.jpg

It's not a fanboy thing, more of a gaff nerd thing, but Magneto pulls the Golden Gate bridge to Alcatraz in broad daylight, and then-in the next shot-the invasion of Alcatraz takes place in the dark of night.

I thought the Multiple Man was a good guy, but then I only became aware of him when he got his own book.
hah, i noticed that.

also thought Rogue could have acted it better at the end when she touched her bf (whatisname) for the first time.... first time she's been able to touch anyone without causing them immeasurable pain and all she does is smile a bit? come on! she should have shed a tear or something... i thought that was weak. that's my beef...

but meh, last time i watched the movie (second time) we made our own fun ;) :D




Arclight. Arclyte sounds like he's 99% fat free.
:p

One thing that bothered me, and no-one here seems to have noticed it which is surprising, is how weak the 'strong' mutants were.
Everyone else seemed to be souped up on 'roids compared to how they are in the comics, yet Colossus for example had to swing Wolverine round a couple of times in order to throw him.
C'mon! In the comic, Colossus can pick up and chuck a tank. Yet In the movie he needs to get a bit of momentum going just to hurl wolvy a few feet.

Juggernaut didn't seem particularly strong, as well.\

Just annoyed me, as I was really looking fwd to a big-ass battle between the two, with cars, trucks, sides of buildings, etc, being used as clubs.

One thing that bothered me, and no-one here seems to have noticed it which is surprising, is how weak the 'strong' mutants were.
Everyone else seemed to be souped up on 'roids compared to how they are in the comics, yet Colossus for example had to swing Wolverine round a couple of times in order to throw him.
C'mon! In the comic, Colossus can pick up and chuck a tank. Yet In the movie he needs to get a bit of momentum going just to hurl wolvy a few feet.

Juggernaut didn't seem particularly strong, as well.\

Just annoyed me, as I was really looking fwd to a big-ass battle between the two, with cars, trucks, sides of buildings, etc, being used as clubs.



this is why i didn't see X-Men 3 in the theaters. I was severly disappointed in both films (especially the 2nd one), and i knew they would screw up juggernaut, and colussus. I'll probably get it on netflix when it comes to dvd.


unless its really worth seeing in the theaters of course

It was a good movie in all, but they left out a LOT of important deatils in the movie. I know it would be hard to fit it in, but come on, I'm sure men X-Men fans were really pissed.
I actually don't mind all the changes, sure they're innacurate, but some things can be repaired in future movies should they do any more.
For instance, if Cyclopse is dead, then Mr Sinister could come along, clone him and Jean and bring them back. Rogue will eventually get her powers back and that leaves plenty of room for accidental absorption of the other powers she's supposed to have that will allow her to kick some ass.
I'm not bothered too much by Juggernaut being portrayed as a mutant or ignoring the part about him being Charles' brother.

does anybody know why nightcrawler mysteriously dissappeared in III?
According to wiki, it was because the actor didn't like the hours it took to apply the make-up and he wasn't to have a particularly big role anyway. So he told them he'd prefer not to do it.

One thing that bothered me, and no-one here seems to have noticed it which is surprising, is how weak the 'strong' mutants were.
Everyone else seemed to be souped up on 'roids compared to how they are in the comics, yet Colossus for example had to swing Wolverine round a couple of times in order to throw him.
C'mon! In the comic, Colossus can pick up and chuck a tank. Yet In the movie he needs to get a bit of momentum going just to hurl wolvy a few feet.
In the movie, Colossus is still a student, perhaps he hasn't fully developed his super strength yet.

I'm not bothered too much by Juggernaut being portrayed as a mutant or ignoring the part about him being Charles' brother.
Naw, I wasn't bothered about that at all. I thought they did a good job on juggers, just didn't make him strong enough!
Maybe it's just difficult to show that (eg. picking up and chucking a car at someone) even with cgi et al.

This was supposed to be her:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dd/Psylocke-X-Men_3.jpg
That was nothing like her! I had to go google and wiki her to find out who you meant. She barely appeared in the movie and did nothing when she was there. According to wiki, her powers were hiding in shadows and having psi blades, but the psi blade scene was cut (might be in the DVD), so all that's left is one scene of here emerging out of nowhere.
How dull.

They certainly screwed that character up.

In the movie, Colossus is still a student, perhaps he hasn't fully developed his super strength yet.
In the comics he also a student - the youngest of the new X-Men originally, until Kitty somes along.

In the comics he also a student - the youngest of the new X-Men originally, until Kitty somes along.


was lockheed anywhere to be found in xmen 3?

I have been trying to like her but you need a Texan to play a Texan. ;)
I thought Rogue was from Mississippi?

Colosus: I wished they used him more. Did he sound American to you?
All the characters sounded american. Pyro is supposed to be Australian...

In the comics he also a student - the youngest of the new X-Men originally, until Kitty somes along.
Hmm... maybe they thought it would be too easy if they just had him be super strong?
Or maybe he was throwing Wolverine further so he needed to build up more momentum... or the directors just thought it would be more interesting visually to have him do so?

Hmm... maybe they thought it would be too easy if they just had him be super strong?
Or maybe he was throwing Wolverine further so he needed to build up more momentum... or the directors just thought it would be more interesting visually to have him do so?


or the director just has no fucking clue on how to make an xmen movie ;)

or the director just has no fucking clue on how to make an xmen movie ;)
Yeah, there's that too.

Let's be honest here, the main beef is they treied to do too much. they should've split it up into two films and taken the time to develop the whole lot properly rather than rush it all and cut out so much potential awesome.

Like Phoenix - most powerful badass ever, what does she do? Bugger all. Dissolves a few soldiers, then gets stabbed. Where's the star consuming, potential-apocalypse-causing awesomesness we wanted? Down the back of the sofa?!

And Pyro-Iceman fight (gay names aside) - where was that? That should've been wicked awesome, with funky stuff goin' down. As it is, it was two blokes standing like mincers for a minute or so, shooting stuff at each other, then one of them gets nutted. The end. What the hell man?!

And, like someone said before, Juggernaut-Collosus. Did that even happen? If it did then I missed it.

And when Xavier dies, and they're going to shut the school. that could've been developed a fair amount. As it is, Hank says 'we should shut it down' and Ororo says 'nah, lets not' and everyone else jsut oes 'yep, that sounds good to me.'

And speaking of Xavier, where was the development to him? He was supposed to a rather arrogant bastard wasn't he? Arbitrarily shutting off Jean's powers and stuff. All we saw of that was 'I don't have to explain myself to you.'

I could probably go on, but I really can't be arsed.

Did anyone else get a major Akira flashback during the final show down? with the whole wall of water thing lookign strangely like the energy doen signature of the Akira event?

I found myself sitting there thinking, "Phoenix is ultimate energy".

But that is just me and i am weird ;)

LOL, people are funny.

The comics have been written and rewritten, with differences every time. Why would one expect the movie to be any different?

The Phoenix saga has been done at least three different times - three different ways (four, if you count the cartoon). Why would you expect the movie to follow any of them exactly?

As for Juggernaut, I'm fairly certain he was made a mutant instead of having a magical gem because comic book movies have tended to shy away from the magical aspects - making superheroes a little more "natural".

The comics have been written and rewritten, with differences every time. Why would one expect the movie to be any different?

I didn't. I just hoped the differences would make the story cooler instead of weaker.

It was a good movie in all, but they left out a LOT of important deatils in the movie. I know it would be hard to fit it in, but come on, I'm sure men X-Men fans were really pissed.

Lets see how many X-Men fans play NS.
-What important facts and details did they leave out on the Juggernot?
-What important facts and details did they leave out on the Pheonix?
-What else did they leave out/change?
JUGGERNAUT:
They never touched upon Juggernaut being Xavier's Step Brother: because that would require more explaination than time allowed.
Juggernaut isn't a mutant in the comics:but the changing him to a mutant relieves the screen writers of trying to explain the exsistance of Magic in the film world.
They never explained the real reason for Juggernaut's Helmet: which is a protection against mental attacks.... similar to Magneto's Helmet.

PHEONIX
They never touched upon that Phoenix was a Cosmic Entitiy who replaced Jean Grey: which would require more explaination into the exsistances of the Cosmic Forces.
The turning of Phoenix to Dark Phoenix was caused by Jason Wyngard (Mastermind) and not a Split Personality in the movie: exept, Jason died in X-Men 2 so he couldn't play with Phoenix's emotions.
In the Movie, Jean Kills Scott (Implied) but that doesn't happen in the comics: Scot does disappear and it was implied that he died. Xavier also died many times in the comics, but was brought back by remarkable means.

the changes were necessary to keep the movie flowing and less than 3 hours long.

Thing about Spiderman. his webs were man made, shooting out from webshooters, not spinnerets in his arms. if you wanna be nitpicking, those spinnerettes should be in his butt.

the Original Hulk was only appearing at Night. it was only after a second dose of gamma radiation that turned him green and adrenaline caused the switch.

Even Disney changes things to fit their movies. "Little Mermaid" should end with arieal dying and the prince marrying someone else.

Books/Comics turned into movies will have changes done to them to fit the media as well as to keep the tempo of the movie flowing. if you don't like changes, then don't see the movies.

That was nothing like her! I had to go google and wiki her to find out who you meant. She barely appeared in the movie and did nothing when she was there. According to wiki, her powers were hiding in shadows and having psi blades, but the psi blade scene was cut (might be in the DVD), so all that's left is one scene of here emerging out of nowhere.
How dull.

They certainly screwed that character up.I agree. totally.

so they were going with the Japanses telekinetic version. bad choice. :(

Lets see how many X-Men fans play NS.
-What important facts and details did they leave out on the Juggernot?
-What important facts and details did they leave out on the Pheonix?
-What else did they leave out/change?

Juggernot is Charles Xaviers' half brother, what gives him his power is a stone, he is NOT a mutant. however, he is half crazy.

Phoenix, who took the persona of Jean Gray is not her. (not even her boyfriend Scott Summers caught on to that little tidbit. What it is, is a galatic level avater (sp) that THOUGHT that it was Jean Gray, as it had taken her memories, etc, in an attempt to 'save' Jean Gray when the flight that they were on encountered cosmic rays.

Kurt Wagner did NOT have scarification signals cut into his skin. Blue, a tail, a teleporter, etc, but he did not mutilate himself by self-carving. (is also Mystique's kid. )

Pyslocke lives in Britain, she is NOT a Morlock.

how's this for starters.

The biggest problem I had with the movie was that it sucked. I would have liked it if it weren't for that.

wolverine is to tall and colossus is to short

-What important facts and details did they leave out on the Juggernot?
He isn't a mutant, his powers are from magic
[/quote]-What important facts and details did they leave out on the Pheonix?
Prof X treated Gene as a mutant (she was to a degree), when the Phoenix entity itself is actually a cosmic entity...

many departures.

Wolverine didn't kill the Phoenix
Cyclops didn't die.
Rogue never took the "cure"
The part with the Bridge was lame. Why would you leave a path for troops to run across?
what could troops really do

many departures.

Wolverine didn't kill the Phoenixtrue but he did stab Phoenix in the blue area of the Moon.
Cyclops didn't die.actually, he did, or appeared to have died, but not because of Phoenix
Rogue never took the "cure"true, it was Storm who was hit with the neutrolizer.
The part with the Bridge was lame. Why would you leave a path for troops to run across?because after Alcatraz falls, how would the mutants leave the island. Magneto left that exit incase he "fell" in battle.

Ahh well. I thought Cyclops, Jean Grey and Aurora were miscasted.Aurora?