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I just saw a sound bite on it on SNL, and it appears that one city is considering legislation that would require many public facilities to have three bathrooms - men, women, and transvestites. Of course, they pointed out the humor of it by creating a pictograph which was very disturbing.

Opinions on requiring transvestite bathrooms?

(No I don't remember where, and I as of yet have not located an appropriate news article on the subject. I'm still looking.)

So be it.

That doesn't change the fact that I still have to piss in the men's room.

What does it matter? If you piss standing up or if you piss sitting down then you know which to use.

I dislike the idea. I think it would only create an uncomfortable enviroment for the transvestites. People would see them go in there, and perhaps make fun of them and harrass them.

If such a legislation were to pass, I would venture to guess the first city to do it would be Toledo, Ohio.

Was it Toledo discussing the legislation? :D

While I respect the idea, I think it's overall unnecessary. Until we have a truly significant portion of the population that is gender queer(All the various mutations, including transvestites, would be included here) then it's actually quite wasteful, fiscally speaking.

I dislike the idea. I think it would only create an uncomfortable enviroment for the transvestites. People would see them go in there, and perhaps make fun of them and harrass them.

That's what I was thinking. It seems to me that if by providing a service for a group you actually create problems for them, you should just refrain from providing the service.

Of course, they pointed out the humor of it by creating a pictograph which was very disturbing.
Haha, my mom walked in on that part and said, "Jesus, Heidi! What the hell are you watching?"

Haha, my mom walked in on that part and said, "Jesus, Heidi! What the hell are you watching?"

That was pictograph was disturbing. It really was.

I just saw a sound bite on it on SNL, and it appears that one city is considering legislation that would require many public facilities to have three bathrooms - men, women, and transvestites. Of course, they pointed out the humor of it by creating a pictograph which was very disturbing.

Opinions on requiring transvestite bathrooms?

(No I don't remember where, and I as of yet have not located an appropriate news article on the subject. I'm still looking.)
It'd be great, because then I would have a choice of two, and the transvestite one probably wouldn't be used as much!

It'd be great, because then I would have a choice of two, and the transvestite one probably wouldn't be used as much!

I know - Imagine if you need to make a phonecall at a pub/nightclub and don't want a bunch of drunk idiots shouting over the top of you - the transvestite bathroom'd be perfect.

This reminds me of a time when me and some freinds were at one of the local bars.
We came in more than a little high already, and I had had a few Woodchuck ciders in no time flat.

Well, after a while, I felt nature call, and lets just say it wasnt #1.
So I wandered into the bathroom, sat down, and proceed to give anal birth to the devil.

I apparently had been eating toxic waste for lunch, and lets just say the stench was so bad, if I ever write an autobiography, im dedicating a chapter to it.

"Chapter Three: The Evil that Came From My Ass."

Anyways, while doing by business, I happen to glance over at the wall, and noticed the usual graffitti was....different..more feminine sounding.
Perhaps some gay man had decided to declare his love of certain actions to the public via the bathroom wall..

On the way out, I noticed I had taken a crap in the womens bathroom.

Heh....whadda ya do?

I know - Imagine if you need to make a phonecall at a pub/nightclub and don't want a bunch of drunk idiots shouting over the top of you - the transvestite bathroom'd be perfect.
Exactly.

In Australia they now build unisex public toilets. I guess unisex translates as all sex, so even alien visitors can use them. (Although I wouldn't want to use the toilet after a Vogon had backed one out.)

I just saw a sound bite on it on SNL, and it appears that one city is considering legislation that would require many public facilities to have three bathrooms - men, women, and transvestites. Of course, they pointed out the humor of it by creating a pictograph which was very disturbing.

Opinions on requiring transvestite bathrooms?

(No I don't remember where, and I as of yet have not located an appropriate news article on the subject. I'm still looking.)
I think it's as stupid to separate bathrooms by gender as it would be to do so based on ethnicity.

I think it's as stupid to separate bathrooms by gender as it would be to do so based on ethnicity.

I agree. And it can cause a lot of problems, too. The entire concept is silly. Cubicles protect your privacy, after all. You don't need a whole other room. It's not the 19th century.

I agree. And it can cause a lot of problems, too. The entire concept is silly. Cubicles protect your privacy, after all. You don't need a whole other room. It's not the 19th century.
*GASP* But then men might see a woman's uncovered ankle! Women might see men without their caps on! It'll be anarchy!!!

Why does it really matter?

Men
Women
Men/Women in other sex's clothing

'Transvestite' would just be a unisex WC
You are either mostly male, or mostly female (that covers hermaphrotites too)
So pick one...

I just saw a sound bite on it on SNL, and it appears that one city is considering legislation that would require many public facilities to have three bathrooms - men, women, and transvestites. Of course, they pointed out the humor of it by creating a pictograph which was very disturbing.

Opinions on requiring transvestite bathrooms?

(No I don't remember where, and I as of yet have not located an appropriate news article on the subject. I'm still looking.)
I heard about this story in December. Are you sure it was a new SNL?
And its in Brazil if your wondering

I heard about this story in December. Are you sure it was a new SNL?
And its in Brazil if your wondering

Nah, it was a rerun, but I hadn't seen the original when it aired, so I thought I would say something about it.

The answer? Unisex bathrooms, a la Ally MacBeal.

The answer? Unisex bathrooms, a la Ally MacBeal.
That bathroom should have had a Starbucks in it.

Let's not go too far: we want to reduce the chances of your coffee having fecal bacteria in it, hmmmm?

(Don't look at what the health department has to say about various eateries and their worker's hygiene or you'll never eat again.)

I agree. And it can cause a lot of problems, too. The entire concept is silly. Cubicles protect your privacy, after all. You don't need a whole other room. It's not the 19th century.
But urinals are so much more convenient (and space-efficient) for men. And most men wouldn't want random women to be able to see them at the urinal. Perhaps having a urinal room off to the side of the cubicle room?

no reason why you can't just have a seperate area for the urinals in the same room. it could be just like a cubicle but bigger and with urinals instead of crappers. i honestly don't think i'd be too bothered using a urinal in sight of a girl, can't see what the problem would be. does anyone really care when a girl infiltrates the gents at a club for a laugh? it happens all the time at my work and the girls always get chucked out by the bouncers but i've never heard of anyone actually expressing concern about it happening.

But urinals are so much more convenient (and space-efficient) for men. And most men wouldn't want random women to be able to see them at the urinal. Perhaps having a urinal room off to the side of the cubicle room?

TBH, I don't see the point of urinals. If you can't piss into a toilet bowl effectively, you have problems.

I've been to a bar in Greenwich Village where the restrooms had three oors but they all went tothe same place. Stalls o thr right, urinals on the left and condom and tampon dispensers against far wall. Never heard anyone complain. Of course it WAS a bar in the Village but still it could work. just remember to make it big enough. :)

I enjoy the toilets more than the urinals.
*After a few wipe downs - American Pie style*
Why don't the just use the toilets as well?

no reason why you can't just have a seperate area for the urinals in the same room. it could be just like a cubicle but bigger and with urinals instead of crappers. i honestly don't think i'd be too bothered using a urinal in sight of a girl, can't see what the problem would be. does anyone really care when a girl infiltrates the gents at a club for a laugh? it happens all the time at my work and the girls always get chucked out by the bouncers but i've never heard of anyone actually expressing concern about it happening.
Personally I'm not bothered when the cleaning lady comes in while I'm using the urinals, but I can see some people might be. And there's still the argument that urinals are much more space efficient, allowing the toilets ('bathrooms', as they say in America) to serve more people with the same area.

Can't we all just shit in the same bathroom?

TBH, I don't see the point of urinals. If you can't piss into a toilet bowl effectively, you have problems.

But urinals are so hassle free....

But urinals are so hassle free....
So are toilets, and you get added privacy.

So are toilets, and you get added privacy.

Yeah. I fail to see the hassle involved in using a toilet. But if you're really so lazy that toilets present a challenge to you, you probably don't bother to venture outside anyway, so why care in the first place?

I think it's as stupid to separate bathrooms by gender as it would be to do so based on ethnicity.
After all the public restroom stories I've heard from guys, I don't think I could handle being in one bathroom with men.

Yeah. I fail to see the hassle involved in using a toilet. But if you're really so lazy that toilets present a challenge to you, you probably don't bother to venture outside anyway, so why care in the first place?

The idea of a urinal is that it's a lot faster.

This is good, especially for concerts. Most people only go in to pee after all.

Therefore, by having a urinal, more women will be able to use the cubicles and everything will go smoother and faster.

Separate bathroom... why not use a separate building? Bwhahaha

Opinions on requiring transvestite bathrooms?


Do it the easy way, just like Thailand did in the 1970s when I was there. Unisex bathrooms. No problem, no discrimination, no favrotism.

I think it's as stupid to separate bathrooms by gender as it would be to do so based on ethnicity.

They used to have ethnically different bathrooms in the south. Had to do away with them because they were discriminatory. So, why aren't male female toilets discriminatory?
:confused:

Yeah. I fail to see the hassle involved in using a toilet. But if you're really so lazy that toilets present a challenge to you, you probably don't bother to venture outside anyway, so why care in the first place?

It is a hassle to put the toilet seat up and then get bitched at because you didn't put it back down. No, must keep urinals.

It is a hassle to put the toilet seat up and then get bitched at because you didn't put it back down. No, must keep urinals.

Good lord - I never thought about the sheer amount of effort involved there - them toilet seats are damned heavy and you have to bend down to reach them and stuff.

The idea of a urinal is that it's a lot faster.

This is good, especially for concerts. Most people only go in to pee after all.

Therefore, by having a urinal, more women will be able to use the cubicles and everything will go smoother and faster.

Build more cubicles instead of one big urinal that takes up 30% of the room despite hardly ever being used at full capacity, maybe?

Personally, I don't see any difference in the time investment from pissing in a bowl as compared to pissing on a wall, either.

Good lord - I never thought about the sheer amount of effort involved there - them toilet seats are damned heavy and you have to bend down to reach them and stuff.

and I want the kind of urinals that automatically flush when you walk away. I don't want to stran my arm pulling that silly little flush lever. :p

TBH, I don't see the point of urinals. If you can't piss into a toilet bowl effectively, you have problems.

You can fit a lot of them in a room, meaning shorter lines, meaning less wait time.

Build more cubicles instead of one big urinal that takes up 30% of the room despite hardly ever being used at full capacity, maybe?

Personally, I don't see any difference in the time investment from pissing in a bowl as compared to pissing on a wall, either.

Every concert I've been to has had full usage of the urinals and partial usage of the cubicles, to the point that the women go from the women's bathroom to the men's.

So, more urinals = more cubicles for the women = less waiting time for the women. Except when we want to do more than just shake our willies.

3 urinals per cubicle = 3 men instead of 1 man peeing = 2 cubicles not being taken up by men.

I'm talking about large-scale usage here. If you can't see the economies of scale at work, then that's a bit sad.

Not only that, but urinals use less water per flush = good.

What I can see happening is you will have bathrooms designated as "men", "women", and "unisex". The women will all go into the unisex bathroom because there is no more room in the women's bathroom, the men will go in the unisex bathroom because they don't want anyone to think that they are uncomfortable with their masculinity, and the transvestites will wind up going in the men's bathroom because it's the only place left that isn't full. Finally, someone will just say "screw it" and then all the bathrooms will be unisex.

Every concert I've been to has had full usage of the urinals and partial usage of the cubicles, to the point that the women go from the women's bathroom to the men's.

So, more urinals = more cubicles for the women = less waiting time for the women. Except when we want to do more than just shake our willies.

3 urinals per cubicle = 3 men instead of 1 man peeing = 2 cubicles not being taken up by men.

I'm talking about large-scale usage here. If you can't see the economies of scale at work, then that's a bit sad.

Not only that, but urinals use less water per flush = good.

I agree so I am in favor of urinals along one wall, stalls along the second, and mirrored sinks against the third.

TBH, I don't see the point of urinals. If you can't piss into a toilet bowl effectively, you have problems.
They use less water and you can fit more of them in a certain area.

I agree so I am in favor of urinals along one wall, stalls along the second, and mirrored sinks against the third.
Ooh, triangular bathrooms. If you put mirrors on all walls you'd be able to see yourself from an infinite number of angles all at once.

Ooh, triangular bathrooms. If you put mirrors on all walls you'd be able to see yourself from an infinite number of angles all at once.
And on the floor and roof too. Drunk people would love them.

Ooh, triangular bathrooms. If you put mirrors on all walls you'd be able to see yourself from an infinite number of angles all at once.
I meant to describe the walls other than the one with the door but perhaps I was insufficiently clear.

And on the floor and roof too. Drunk people would love them.
Roof? Make it a tetrahedron for the full freaky reflections effect.

I meant to describe the walls other than the one with the door but perhaps I was insufficiently clear.
Doors? Just have a special oversized loo that you flush yourself down to leave. (Preferably with something to stop people using it for... another purpose.)

Roof? Make it a tetrahedron for the full freaky reflections effect.


Doors? Just have a special oversized loo that you flush yourself down to leave. (Preferably with something to stop people using it for... another purpose.)
That sounds like the best bathroom ever concieved.

We cannot all use the same toilet! Women don't understand the etiquette of mens' toilets - women come into the toilet to socialise, they swarm around chatting to eachother, in their shrill womenine voices, hell, I heard that they even talk over the cubicle walls to eachother whilst taking a leak! All of these things are unacceptable and are detrimental to the process of male pissing.

PS. The tone of this is in jest - but the jist is intended.
PPS. The point of urinals is that they use something like 5% of the water of a toilet.

well if the reasons you posted were in jest then whatare your real reasons?
I'd have no problem going to a unisex bathroom. As for etiquette as long we have some basic politeness and tolerance that should be enough right?

Roof? Make it a tetrahedron for the full freaky reflections effect.

... there's a fortune to be made here somewhere.

I have a feeling unisex bathrooms would open the field of perversion and rape into a whole new level.

I have a feeling unisex bathrooms would open the field of perversion and rape into a whole new level.

Well, they've worked perfectly well where I've seen them used, so your doomsday scenario doesn't appear to hold true.

Well, they've worked perfectly well where I've seen them used, so your doomsday scenario doesn't appear to hold true.

That's on a small scale.
If every bathroom in the world allowed men and women to interact so close - well I think you get the picture.

That's on a small scale.
If every bathroom in the world allowed men and women to interact so close - well I think you get the picture.

No, I'm afraid I don't.


Perhaps you could elaborate; I could do with a laugh.

What I can see happening is you will have bathrooms designated as "men", "women", and "unisex". The women will all go into the unisex bathroom because there is no more room in the women's bathroom, the men will go in the unisex bathroom because they don't want anyone to think that they are uncomfortable with their masculinity, and the transvestites will wind up going in the men's bathroom because it's the only place left that isn't full. Finally, someone will just say "screw it" and then all the bathrooms will be unisex.of this, I kinda disagree...

men would most likely go to the Unisex one in hopes of peeking at a woman in there. :D

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/1854/tranny18uo.jpg

of this, I kinda disagree...

men would most likely go to the Unisex one in hopes of peeking at a woman in there. :D

Peeking at what? A closed stall door? It might help lessen perversions if people got used to it. There is nothing going on in a ladies room that is not going on in a men's room. We all have the same bodily functions and it would be healthier if unisex bathrooms brought this home to everyone.

As for those who state it might lead to a rise in rapes, I ask how could having more people using the same facility make it easier to rape a woman? Surely you do not suggest that erely being in a room with a lady using a toilet would incite men to such behavior?

well if the reasons you posted were in jest then whatare your real reasons?
I'd have no problem going to a unisex bathroom. As for etiquette as long we have some basic politeness and tolerance that should be enough right?

No.. I said my tone was in jest, my reasons are sincere.

Where I'm from men need a certain level of security and confidence in their surroundings in order to releive themselves. A strict routine of etiquette is drilled in from an early age to encourage complete silence, and evasion of eye-contact within a 3ft-radius of a fellow pissee.

Women, through no fault of their own, have no experience of this and are thus disruptive to the environment that men have created for themselves.

No, I'm afraid I don't.


Perhaps you could elaborate; I could do with a laugh.

I assume you've never been to America.

I used to have to unplug toilets in a hospital. Unisex toilets are a bad idea because contrary to popular opinion, in a public restroom, women are far more disgusting in toilet habits than men are. They may not be trainable. I dont want to share with them.

Peeking at what? A closed stall door? It might help lessen perversions if people got used to it. There is nothing going on in a ladies room that is not going on in a men's room. We all have the same bodily functions and it would be healthier if unisex bathrooms brought this home to everyone.

As for those who state it might lead to a rise in rapes, I ask how could having more people using the same facility make it easier to rape a woman? Surely you do not suggest that erely being in a room with a lady using a toilet would incite men to such behavior?
go take a look at those stalls.

the doors and the door frames are not what you call tight fitting...

go take a look at those stalls.

the doors and the door frames are not what you call tight fitting...

Is this what you would do in a unisex bathroom? Peek through a crack in a stall door to get a glimpse of what goes on or do you know anyone who has?
There are unisex bathrooms around now if not many. Have you ever seen or heard a first hand account of such behavior?
I mean most men know what goes on and have seen the relevant anatomy in person so its not like its a big mystery or anything is it?

I assume you've never been to America.

You assume incorrectly.

Now, what does my travelling history have to do with the sudden social collapse that you claim unisex bathrooms would bring?

I live in the U.S. I have seen and used Unisex bathrooms. There was no chaos or mayhem. It would be a solution not a problem. :rolleyes: