NationStates Jolt Archive

The first deaths at Guantanamo has been reported. It seems to have been a suicide pact-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5068228.stm

So will this make any difference? You think the US will reevaluate the use of the detention facility, or is this just "business as usual"?

The first deaths at Guantanamo has been reported. It seems to have been a suicide pact-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5068228.stm

So will this make any difference? You think the US will reevaluate the use of the detention facility, or is this just "business as usual"?

Well if you read the entire article, you would have noticed:


On Friday, Mr Bush responded to growing calls for the prison to be shut down, by saying: "We would like to end the Guantanamo - we'd like it to be empty."

"There are some that, if put out on the streets, would create grave harm to American citizens and other citizens of the world. And, therefore, I believe they ought to be tried in courts here in the United States," he added.

Somehow I don't think this will change much. Except maybe tighten security there.

Their obstinacy in matters that might serve to underscore their administrative incompetence and/or indifference to the Human condition frankly dictates an all-too predictable "business as usual" stance.

On Friday, Mr Bush responded to growing calls for the prison to be shut down, by saying: "We would like to end the Guantanamo - we'd like it to be empty.":
I think they're just gonna kill them off, 3 by 3 it seems

Well if you read the entire article, you would have noticed:
So he says. But will he act on it? And will anything happen soon? And will they stop with the "detentions", or just on Guantanamo?

I'm waiting to see action, as I unfortunently won't just take his word for it.

Action, yes, we do need to take action. As in kicking the international red cross the fuck out and telling geneva convention advocates to go fuck themselves.

The assholes killed themselves. Must have been pissed for being passed up for the jihadist virgin party .

If they do manage to kill themselves three by three then the prison will be empty soon enough . And all the bleating hearts can be happy .

The first deaths at Guantanamo has been reported. It seems to have been a suicide pact-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5068228.stm

So will this make any difference? You think the US will reevaluate the use of the detention facility, or is this just "business as usual"?



Why should three morons killing themselves call for anything more than a review of security and methods taken to help prevent suicides by prosoners ?
The place is a prison for terrorist and suspected terrorist in transition.

Action, yes, we do need to take action. As in kicking the international red cross the fuck out and telling geneva convention advocates to go fuck themselves.
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Why should three morons killing themselves call for anything more than a review of security and methods taken to help prevent suicides by prosoners ?
The place is a prison for terrorist and suspected terrorist in transition.
So you're for the "business as usual"-viewpoint. I'm not surprised.

And all the bleating hearts can be happy.
I think you have a most peculiar concept of happiness. Bleat! Bleat!

Action, yes, we do need to take action. As in kicking the international red cross the fuck out and telling geneva convention advocates to go fuck themselves.
I hope that was some kind of sarcasm.

I hope that was some kind of sarcasm.

Alas no. Its either a running joke (that long ago over-ran), or Acne raddled uber-patriotism.

Close Guantanamo. Holding people with out trial is a breach of human rights but the USA found a loophole in that by having a place like that outside their nation.

Action, yes, we do need to take action. As in kicking the international red cross the fuck out and telling geneva convention advocates to go fuck themselves.

Exactly.

Although we do need the red cross around so the Guards don't get tired of hearing the detainees whine and moan about how hard it is to be a THGH in captivity.

BAhaha! 3 less pathetic human beings using up my tax dollars.

We'll close GITMO if we can just toss all the detainees into the sea with weights around their ankles and move GITMO to the soon to be retired USS Kennedy. Imagine! A FLOATING GItmo! We could move it anywhere!

The first deaths at Guantanamo has been reported. It seems to have been a suicide pact-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5068228.stm

So will this make any difference? You think the US will reevaluate the use of the detention facility, or is this just "business as usual"?

It's gonna be business as usual. What do you think? :headbang:

OMG!!11!!! Panic! 3 of our detainees hung themselves!

Of course if I was one of them I'd hang myself too.

It's gonna be business as usual. What do you think? :headbang:

OMG!!11!!! Panic! 3 of our detainees hung themselves!

Of course if I was one of them I'd hang myself too.

Were I in any way religous, I'd pray.....

Why don't you trial them already? Why wait for the supreme court?

It's gonna be business as usual. What do you think?
I think so too, but I hope for something else.

OMG!!11!!! Panic! 3 of our detainees hung themselves!
That is indeed a reason for the Bush administration to panic.

Of course if I was one of them I'd hang myself too.
Trying... hard... to... not... say... anything... *grunt*

We'll close GITMO if we can just toss all the detainees into the sea with weights around their ankles and move GITMO to the soon to be retired USS Kennedy. Imagine! A FLOATING GItmo! We could move it anywhere!
And imagine, Pa, we could have secret bases ON THE MOON! Or... or... a Gitmo in orbit, like on TV, right Pa? With lasers and sounds like "WOOSSSH!"
:rolleyes:

Were I in any way religous, I'd pray.....

The god of peace has a nasty backhand.

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And imagine, Pa, we could have secret bases ON THE MOON! Or... or... a Gitmo in orbit, like on TV, right Pa? With lasers and sounds like "WOOSSSH!"
:rolleyes:

gitmo in orbit wouldn't be wise. Too vulerable to satelite missiles. Gitmo on the moon? Psshaw, imagine DOOM3...

I think so too, but I hope for something else.

That is indeed a reason for the Bush administration to panic.

Trying... hard... to... not... say... anything... *grunt*

If anything Bush just saved some money on Gitmo. 3 less to feed.

They weren't being guarded by the marines were they?

They weren't being guarded by the marines were they?

The marines would have just machine gunned all of them a long time ago....eaaasy boys. They have Army guards on them now, although I beleive there ARE some marines at Gitmo, in case any of them TRY to escape :D

The marines would have just machine gunned all of them a long time ago....eaaasy boys. They have Army guards on them now, although I beleive there ARE some marines at Gitmo, in case any of them TRY to escape :D
Do you ever listen to yourself talk? Your blatant disregard for the sanctity of human life really is appalling!

I like how Americans describe hanging oneself as an act of war. :rolleyes:

An act of assymetric warfare waged against us?

Nubs.

Do you ever listen to yourself talk? Your blatant disregard for the sanctity of human life really is appalling!

Those aren't humans, they're animals and should be treated as such. Beat them regularly, humiliate them, torture them.

I don't care. I will show respect towards those who actually engage in thought processes on the leval of a human being, and one who's thoughts are MORE than "allahu ackbar death to america x9999999" etc.

I get along FINE with arabic people, to be truthful. I dated a really nice pakistani girl for a few months. Really sweet, smart, and beautiful eyes. Her family loved me, although I couldn't understand a word of what they said.

I like how Americans describe hanging oneself as an act of war. :rolleyes:

An act of assymetric warfare waged against us?

Nubs.

I don't see how it could, although they are probably just trying to get out of Gitmo in a plastic bag and harm the "great satan" all at once. From the looks of the posts from some people on here, it seems to be WORKING.

Do you ever listen to yourself talk? Your blatant disregard for the sanctity of human life really is appalling!

It's just some kid on the Internet. Nobody listens to those, so why should they listen to themselves? Don't pay it the attention it's vying for.

Those aren't humans, they're animals and should be treated as such. Beat them regularly, humiliate them, torture them.
Even if there is no proof that they've ever done anything wrong, and about 80% were sold to the americans in Afghanistan. Yup, better beat the shit out of them, and trust the government - Do NOT ask any questions!
I don't care. I will show respect towards those who actually engage in thought processes on the leval of a human being, and one who's thoughts are MORE than "allahu ackbar death to america x9999999" etc.
Thought processes, you say? Interesting choice of words :p

I get along FINE with arabic people, to be truthful. I dated a really nice pakistani girl for a few months. Really sweet, smart, and beautiful eyes. Her family loved me, although I couldn't understand a word of what they said.
How am I going to put this...
"I get along great with europeans, I dated a person from Australia for a few months."
Or how about "Some of my best friends are black"

Or simply "Pakistan is not an arab country"? Yeah, that could work...

Those aren't humans, they're animals and should be treated as such. Beat them regularly, humiliate them, torture them.

I don't care. I will show respect towards those who actually engage in thought processes on the leval of a human being, and one who's thoughts are MORE than "allahu ackbar death to america x9999999" etc.

I get along FINE with arabic people, to be truthful. I dated a really nice pakistani girl for a few months. Really sweet, smart, and beautiful eyes. Her family loved me, although I couldn't understand a word of what they said.
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Looking at your "thought processes" and the way you voice them here makes me wonder on which "level of a human being" you are.

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Looking at your "thought processes" and the way you voice them here makes me wonder on which "level of a human being" you are.
Now now... You know that ignorance is bliss, and that thinking is a strenuous activity not undertaken lightly :p

Charge them with something or release them, it's that simple...

Charge them with something or release them, it's that simple...
Well you can see Bush's dilema on this one. He can't charge them with anything since there's no evidence. But he's terrified of realeasing them, cos if they didn't want to bomb the crap out of America before the got thrown into gitmo, they surely will now.

Tis probably old news, but three prisoners at Guantanamo Bay have committed suicide by hanging. They used bedsheets and clothing. Now guards will not allow bedsheets until bedtime.

I can't blame them though. Being locked up for four years by people who don't udnerstand you. They treat you like shit, don't tell you why your here, and do other nasty things. At least they chose a lightly noble way out...rather than starvation.

Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060611/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/guantanamo_suicides)

Someone has to stand up to the US and say close this prison or Ill f you up! *pokes Russia*

Tis probably old news, but three prisoners at Guantanamo Bay have committed suicide by hanging. They used bedsheets and clothing. Now guards will not allow bedsheets until bedtime.

I can't blame them though. Being locked up for four years by people who don't udnerstand you. They treat you like shit, don't tell you why your here, and do other nasty things. At least they chose a lightly noble way out...rather than starvation.

Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060611/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/guantanamo_suicides)

DUPE x 10

There is NOTHING noble about suicide. STFU.

3 less animals eating my tax dollars.

Russia? Hell, they won't care. They might poke at it, but they're busy fighting their own war with Chechen terrorists. They don't have the best record on "Human rights" either. Russia's in NO place to comment on Gitmo either.

Remember Beslan? They're still pissed over it, and rightly so. If anything, they'll use GITMO as an excuse to make their own, Russian style. It ain't gonna be pretty.

It's ironic I'm listening to Lyube now. They have a definite view on Chechenya I have to agree with.

I noticed you edited your post and had to comment.

Well EU also, or China...Iran(we wont consider stopping enrichment until they are tried or released)

You're an animal too. They don't even pay much to run that shithole. The poor people are in limbo and never planned to do anything. For every one hundred people in AlQaeda, maybe 5 actually will bomb anything.

Well EU also, or China...Iran(we wont consider stopping enrichment until they are tried or released)

You're an animal too. They don't even pay much to run that shithole. The poor people are in limbo and never planned to do anything. For every one hundred people in AlQaeda, maybe 5 actually will bomb anything.

You kidding me? It doesn't matter if they plan on doing anything. I want Alqaeda down and all of it's members dead.

Alqaeda's sole function is the destruction of America and instituting Sharia over the world. Can't let that happen.

Last time I checked I haven't intentionally bombed innocent people, beheaded others, and supported world wide terror.

The EU isn't in any position to demand anything-they are powerless. Neither is China-perhaps the worst human rights violator in history and the longest running.

Well EU also, or China...Iran(we wont consider stopping enrichment until they are tried or released)
Yeah, we're going to listen to China (Tibet, Taiwan, etc) on human rights. Or Iran. (you kidding me?) Why not put North Korea in there, or Syria, or Bosnia! The EU I can see, maybe.

For every one hundred people in AlQaeda, maybe 5 actually will bomb anything.

If you fund a terrorist, harbor a terrorist, train a terrorist, etc...then you ARE A TERRORIST. And deserve a terrorists fate.

Last time I checked humans are animals.

ITs not like they arent justified...

Yeah, we're going to listen to China (Tibet, Taiwan, etc) on human rights. Or Iran. (you kidding me?) Why not put North Korea in there, or Syria, or Bosnia! The EU I can see, maybe.



If you fund a terrorist, harbor a terrorist, train a terrorist, etc...then you ARE A TERRORIST. And deserve a terrorists fate.
So the US is a terrorist organization now?

So the US is a terrorist organization now?

All states are terrorist organizations, using violence and the threat of violence to force people to obey their will, some are just more blunt about it then others.

There is NOTHING noble about suicide. STFU.

Suicide requires more immediate courage then facing day after day of torture with no hope of being freed, suicide shows more devotion to one's cause then allowing yourself to be captured.

The Jews who commited mass suicide rather then be sold into slavery by the Romans, certainly are an example of a brave suicide. Just because our culture disdains the idea of offing yourself, doesn't mean it's an inheraintly cowardly decision.

You kidding me? It doesn't matter if they plan on doing anything. I want Alqaeda down and all of it's members dead.

Well, they're all running free in Iraq, while in Gitmo, you're hoarding up a bunch of only potentially guilty, but presumed innocent until proven guilty prisoners.

Alqaeda's sole function is the destruction of America and instituting Sharia over the world. Can't let that happen.

Then how about you first learn how to write their name correctly (with a dash), then move on to figuring out how often the US actually targets Al-Qaeda. Oh right, it's not the US that targets Al-Qaeda, but Al-Qaeda that still effectively targets the US, namely in Iraq.

Last time I checked I haven't intentionally bombed innocent people, beheaded others, and supported world wide terror.

You're supporting Gitmo, which is the functional equivelant of world wide terror.

The EU isn't in any position to demand anything-they are powerless. Neither is China-perhaps the worst human rights violator in history and the longest running.

The EU is just slightly larger and economically more powerful than you with better relations with China.

China, while perhaps one of the worst human rights violators, might be worth listening to. Imagine, China could complain about Gitmo. Doesn't that say something about how low the US has sunk with Gitmo?

BAhaha! 3 less pathetic human beings using up my tax dollars.
And how do you know they were guilty of anything?

You do realised that the US' killers for hire (sorry... "Private Contractors") can just pick up anyone and go "Yep, they're a terrorist, give us some money, please", don't you?
We'll close GITMO if we can just toss all the detainees into the sea with weights around their ankles and move GITMO to the soon to be retired USS Kennedy. Imagine! A FLOATING GItmo! We could move it anywhere!
Brilliant!

Oh no... wait... what a stupid idea!

"Let's kill people in cold blood for crimes they didn't commit, and then have a mobile torture centre! It's the best idea ever, because it's on international waters so we can't be prosecuted!"

*sunk-by the free world-ed!*

So the US is a terrorist organization now?
Basically, yeah. You funded the Taliban and armed them (albeit as the Muhad'juhadeen).

You installed Saddam.

You also helped the Kmher Rouge, possibly the most misguided set of bastards the world has ever seen.

You funded Noreiga and then had him kidnapped.

You liked Pinochet for some reason, even though he was horrible.

And much, much more!

It is true, the US is the world's leading patron of terrorist organisations. It doesn't really have any principled objection to making use of anyone, so long as they are useful.

DesignatedMarksman, you are an exelent advocate for all extremist anit-american groups. The arguments and attitudes you voice exactly match the picture they try to paint. If you support your own country, you really should avoid saying anything.

I am personally opposed to the USAmerican treatment of pepole they (often for no valid reason) deem a threat to their way of life, not to mention the growing religous/moral self-rightousness. Still, i try to avoid using arguments like "they are evil, thus we have every right to kill them". Both certain Americans and the islamists use the same rethorical model. The civilized world abandoned it in the Renesance. You seem to subscribe to this.

I believe it's only fair to say that you're not doing much to help with my growing prejustice.


Sort of related:
For those of you who are interested, read Mr Marty's explanatory memorandum (http://assembly.coe.int/). It's the report on illegal American prisoner transports in Europe recently committed to the European Counsil.

Those aren't humans, they're animals and should be treated as such. Beat them regularly, humiliate them, torture them.

Except that's your emotions clouding fact. In reality, they are humans, even if they're bastards. They have human rights.

And if they're not intellectual enough for you, I have little doubt that you could comb through the ranks of US infantry and find some guys only interested in "wasting ragheads" or some such.

In anycase, they're innocent until proven guilty.

The EU isn't in any position to demand anything-they are powerless. Neither is China-perhaps the worst human rights violator in history and the longest running.
You're also logically inconsistent. China has no authority on the matter because of their appalling human rights record. I agree. But then surely Europe has authority because of our excellent human rights record?

That's not to mention our EU economic power. We are after all your biggest trading partner.