NationStates Jolt Archive

Ok the most recent newly independent nation was Timor (Also known as East Timor).

What will the next one be?

Ok the most recent newly independent nation was Timor (Also known as East Timor).

What will the next one be?

Californistan

Cluichstan! :cool:

Well...if by newest you mean "second newest" then yes, (East) Timor is the newest nation.

Montenegro is only a week old as an independent country.

Ok the most recent newly independent nation was Timor (Also known as East Timor).

What will the next one be?

Wrong. Montenegro is the newest independent nation (well, technically Serbia is, as they had to declare independence a while later in order to complete the Montenegrin independence process), I'm quite surprised you didn't know this - it has been in the news quite recently and quite loudly.

well, technically Serbia is, as they had to declare independence a while later in order to complete the Montenegrin independence process

Aye, but that's just a technicality really...so I wasn't really counting it...

I can only claim a brain fart. I'd heard. I knew.

But each of these listed in polls has an active independence movement, with Bermuda's coming in a vote in 2008 I think. They were supposed to vote on independence in 2004 (I think) and the day of the scheduled vote they got hit by a hurricane......

Divine intervention?

"Vive le Quebec Libre!"

The Republic of Antarctica. It may not be the next, but it is going to happen at some point, folks.

The Republic of Antarctica. It may not be the next, but it is going to happen at some point, folks.
Why?

Haha...Scotland.

Not a chance.

The Republic of Antarctica. It may not be the next, but it is going to happen at some point, folks.
who's going to claim it? I assume you're not suggesting a mass secession of researchers, so which country or group of people do you think will claim independence in such a region?

it certainly won't be anyone party to the Antarctic Treaty, and who else is even in the area?

who's going to claim it? I assume you're not suggesting a mass secession of researchers, so which country or group of people do you think will claim independence in such a region?

it certainly won't be anyone party to the Antarctic Treaty, and who else is even in the area?

Penguins.

Why do you think they're called Emperor Penguins?

They've ruled the place for millenia, they've just kept out of the way until now.

who's going to claim it? I assume you're not suggesting a mass secession of researchers, so which country or group of people do you think will claim independence in such a region?

it certainly won't be anyone party to the Antarctic Treaty, and who else is even in the area?
Penguins?

The Republic of Antarctica. It may not be the next, but it is going to happen at some point, folks.

Nah, Antarctica has already been carved into territories by a number of states (ill-defined and overlapping terretories, but terretories nonetheless), if Antarctica becomes habitable and inhabited (as I think you are suggesting) an independence movement will only become active once a significant proportion of the population has been born and bred on that continent and comes to see it as culturally distinct from the motherland. But if history is anything to go for that wouldn't be for at least three generations after colonisation - add in the amount of time it would take for Antarctica to become inhabitable (if climate change is not reversed) - then we can not reasonably expect to see the United States of Antarctica untill at least the mid-2100's...

I voted for Ossetia, but only because Kurdistan wasn't there.

The Democratic People's Republic of Kalifornia.

Penguins.

Why do you think they're called Emperor Penguins?

They've ruled the place for millenia, they've just kept out of the way until now.
:eek:
Good God!

I had never made the connection

*drapes himself in flag of surrender and waits for the Penguin Hordes*

:eek:
Good God!

I had never made the connection

*drapes himself in flag of surrender and waits for the Penguin Hordes*

It's always the ones you least suspect.

It's always the ones you least suspect.
We shoudl've nuked the Penguins when we had the chance

The Democratic People's Republic of Kalifornia.
more like Norte Mexico... I don't think the students at Berkeley are terribly likely to form a breakaway democratic republic... :D

We shoudl've nuked the Penguins when we had the chance
it's not too late. just saying.

We shoudl've nuked the Penguins when we had the chance

We could always ask Poland.


But they'd probably miss. Especially if they had to kick the bomb.

Quebec shouldn't even be on the list :p It's a dead issue.

it's not too late. just saying.
From the looks of those penguins, im guessing they got a missile shiedl over Anatartica

Why?

When Climate Change makes parts of Antarctica habitable (and other parts of the world uninhabitable,) Antarctical will likely have settlers and eventually a government.

(Even if, and that's a big if, climate change is 100% natural, Antarctica will likely warm some day.)

Quebec shouldn't even be on the list :p It's a dead issue.
Have you been to Quebec recently?

I have

Have you been to Quebec recently?

I have
I live in Quebec. If a referendum were to be held today - it would probably be a 75 - 80% vote NO (to separation).

From the looks of those penguins, im guessing they got a missile shiedl over Anatartica
just slip a nuke into that new crater they discovered.

that doesn't violate any international treaties, right? :confused:

Have you been to Quebec recently?

I have

Have you been to Toronto recently?

I have.






Wait...are we not just asking if people have been to random Canadian places?

Damn.

When Climate Change makes parts of Antarctica habitable (and other parts of the world uninhabitable,) Antarctical will likely have settlers and eventually a government.
it has settlers (not permanent but long term) and a government now. and any party that wanted to form an independent nation there would have to make some very convincing cases to the established world powers, who have plenty of territorial claims already should the whole treaty thing not work out.

Have you been to Toronto recently?

I have.






Wait...are we not just asking if people have been to random Canadian places?

Damn.
YEah, we are

been to Niagar Falls?

I have

i feel so left out because i have never been to canada :(

Scotland? Pff. As an English guy I'm probably biased, but I don't understand how Scottish (or Welsh for that matter) independence would bring any advantage to the people Scotland (or Wales). Seriously though, can anyone enlighten me?

Palestine is just as likely to get bombed out of (semi) existence if they make the wrong move as to become a full nation. so I voted Quebec. Chechnya has been supressed, I have not heard anything about W. Sahara except like one time before I was born, (same with the Basque's) and Scotland??:rolleyes:

YEah, we are

been to Niagar Falls?

I have
Been to Chibougamau?

I have.

YEah, we are

been to Niagar Falls?

I have

Yeah, I have thanks :p

Been to Tiny?

I have.

Scotland??:rolleyes:

The Scottish Independence Party is Scotland's second largest political party, and seeks independence, but why?

I thought about adding Kurdistan, but I think that Turkey would become involved in any open civil war in Iraq that included a real threat of Kurdish independence. For that matter, we could have included a Sunni and Shia Iraqi republics.

I also thought of adding Tibet, but that's a hard-core longshot, although a popular sentiment.

There's also Dagestan, Tamil Sri Lanka, Abkhazia, Trans-Dniester Republic, Chiapas, Kashmier, and I'm sure, others.

As for Scotland, I'd have never guessed they'd get their parliament back, but they got that in 2000. There are still a substantial number of separatists there, including my family.

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Yes it will!

The Scottish Independence Party is Scotland's second largest political party, and seeks independence, but why?
look at the name.

The Scottish Independence Party is Scotland's second largest political party, and seeks independence, but why?

I thought it was Ireland that wanted independance, but only south got it


"There's also Dagestan, Tamil Sri Lanka, Abkhazia, Trans-Dniester Republic, Chiapas, Kashmier, and I'm sure, others."

I would have voted for Kashmier maybe, too

I thought it was Ireland that wanted independance, but only south got it

Ireland, the south, wanted independence. Ireland, the south, got it. 59% of Northern Ireland currently want to remain in the UK, with 22% wanting a united Ireland, and 11% wanting independence. I would say that is a good enough reason to remain a we are...

look at the name.

I meant what would the advantage of indepence for Scotlan be?

I suspect that the next independent nation will be one of Kurdistan (formed from Kurdish Iraq, and maybe some of Turkey), the Sunni portion of Iraq, or Puerto Rico. (The Shi'a have too much power over the Iraqi government and too many ties to Iran to declare independence.)

So, that'll be an "Other" vote.

I thought it was Ireland that wanted independance, but only south got it

There are significant nationalist movements in both Wales and Scotland. There is even a Cornish seperatist movement but, no offence meant to anyone, It is based on a "Wouldn't it be nice to rule ourselves philosophy" and as far as I can see there is 0 justification for it.

No Kurdistan nor Flanders&Wallonia in the options??

The Scottish Independence Party is Scotland's second largest political party, and seeks independence, but why?

It's the Scottish Nationalist Party, it is currently third, behind Labour and the Lib-Dems and it's popularity has been a state of terminal decline since the creation of the Scots Pairlament. It sacked its leader, and then reinstated him a few months later after they realised they had no-one better to replace him and their biggest electoral asset is Sean Connery, a Los Angelian who has about as much vested interest in Scotland as Johnny Notascot. Scots consider the indepence issue settled, and the SNP as insignificant.

The Welsh Nationalists, on the other hand, have never advocated independence, but are rather more of a pressure group to secure linguistic rights. Cornish Indepence is about as fringe as you can get, and the Ulster status-quo is unlikely to be challenged during our lifetimes. So I would say the British Union is safe for now.

It's the Scottish Nationalist Party, it is currently third, behind Labour and the Lib-Dems and it's popularity has been a state of terminal decline since the creation of the Scots Pairlament. It sacked its leader, and then reinstated him a few months later after they realised they had no-one better to replace him and their biggest electoral asset is Sean Connery, a Los Angelian who has about as much vested interest in Scotland as Johnny Notascot. Scots consider the indepence issue settled, and the SNP as insignificant.

The Welsh Nationalists, on the other hand, have never advocated independence, but are rather more of a pressure group to secure linguistic rights. Cornish Indepence is about as fringe as you can get, and the Ulster status-quo is unlikely to be challenged during our lifetimes. So I would say the British Union is safe for now.

Ok, sorry, when I said the SNP was Scotland's second largest political party, I was looking at opinion polls, in which they have now overtaken the lib dems, my mistake.

The Welsh Nationalists do not have independence on their manifesto, but they do seek increased Welsh sovereignty, partially realised in the form of the Welsh Assembly.

I thought I made it clear what I thought of the Cornish Indepence movement, although it is not as fringe as all that (in Cornwall). It has support from Plaid Cymru, The Celtic League and The Celtic Congress. In 2000 over 50,000 signatures were given on a petition for a Cornish Assembly.

Wait...are we not just asking if people have been to random Canadian places?

Damn.
I was in Markham once!

That was enough.

Anyway, on topic: either Alaska or the Moon.

At least I wish... I say it's time to get the Chinese government out of Xinjiang before they persecute the locals any more. Sadly, it is not even remotely likely to happen anytime soon.

I think some people believe if Scotland were an independent nation with EU and UN membership that they would get a better deal all the way around. I know also that some Scots would like to make their own foreign policy so that young 18 and 19 year old Scottish lads aren't getting shot at in Afghanistan and Iraq....

I suspect that the next independent nation will be one of Kurdistan (formed from Kurdish Iraq, and maybe some of Turkey), the Sunni portion of Iraq, or Puerto Rico. (The Shi'a have too much power over the Iraqi government and too many ties to Iran to declare independence.)

So, that'll be an "Other" vote.

maybe some of Turkey? lol... Before anyone claims an inch of my land I will see to that entire planet drowns in blood and fire. Maybe after human life is extinct bunnies can form a new civilization.

I'm gonna be optimistic and say Palestine. In an ideal world though, my own choice would be: England. We English needs to seperate ourselves from the Celtic Britons. I've got nothing against the Brythonic peoples, but I refuse to continue to be called British just because I live on their island.

my bedroom

Other. Kurdistan. Wishful thinking. Ignore me.

Other. Kurdistan. Wishful thinking. Ignore me.

At the moment, I think it's the most likely - more so than Palestine, to my deep and lasting Regret.

maybe some of Turkey? lol... Before anyone claims an inch of my land I will see to that entire planet drowns in blood and fire. Maybe after human life is extinct bunnies can form a new civilization.

This must be the moderate, liberal Turkish view that you were describing in another thread...

"Vive le Quebec Libre!"

As long as they can use Canadian currency, Use Canadian roads, and ignore how english Montreal is. Also, what the hell would the Montreal Canadiens change their name to? They couldn't. It would be like the Red Wings saying "gee, Michigan isn't quite the automotive powerhouse anymore with all these layoffs and such, we'll call ourselves the Detroit Condemned Buildings."

This must be the moderate, liberal Turkish view that you were describing in another thread...
yeah then give me half of your country now, you there, you and you too! I want 3/4 of germany's land for a new independent turkish country to be formed, 90 percent of greece, 3 states of america, half of russia, half of china and generally petrol rich lands and diamond mines of south africa too, I want all holy lands too because Im muslim :rolleyes:
What would you think they do to me if I seriously go there and tell them this? Smile and sign under treaty giving me what I want? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Liberalism stands until the point my existance is threathened, you cant just ask for my organs :eek: by peace or force me to give them as you cant force me to give any of my land.

I stand for our democratic, secular Turkiye and Im sworn enemy to any who dares to oppose this, Im a patriot and will willingly give my life for my country as other millions who peacefully live in these lands. If you have a problem with that it means you are an enemy to a peaceful democratic country and a bloody potential murderer, against human rights, against common sense and a possible foreign spy with a mission of propaganda to weaken Tr.
And practically Turkiye's borders are recognised by international treaties and as a member of UN and NATO we have every right to call our allies aids to protect it from any enemy. Aside from that we are the strongest power in middle east and no one can stomp us around, the people of this country are silent and peaceful but wont hesitate to protect their rights, our one million soldiers will be doubled at a command and then can be doubled again and again as its necessary to protect motherland!
NO ONE can claim any right in even for a stone of Turkiye. If necessary I will kill any who does so with my own intestines. End of discussion, if you have anything else to claims send it to Turkish embassy.

Most likely some Balkan State...Kosovo or Herzegovina/Bosnia(whichever separates)

Forgot about Kurdistan...they are de facto independent already though. As soon as this war crap ends, they'll be out of Iraq faster than a Mexican crossing the border.

Canada.

Kosovo would never want independence. They have always advocated joining themselves to Albania. Bosnia and Hercegovina have never advocated separation. Also, Vojvodina has never advocated independence, similarly to Kosovo, they have only advocated joining with Hungary. Same story with Transylvania and Hungary. I'm 95% sure that the Macedonian area of Greece has never advocated leaving Greece for Macedonia, but I'm not sure.

We could see Northern Cyprus and Cyprus unify again, but only for EU membership. I know early on, that Moldova had some aspirations to rejoin with Rumania as well, but I think that's no longer a realistic option.

The only other minorities I know of with historically consistant geography are all pretty much content, to the best of my knowlege (Lusatians, Thracians, Moravians, the German speaking minority in Northeast Italy ( I can't remember the name for them), Lapps, Faeroeans, Catalans, Cornwelsh, Welsh, Manx, Britanny, Alsace-Lorraine, Saarland, etc.

Come to think of it, there's only two groups I'm unsure of. Corsicans and Greenlanders. Greenland already has autonomy.

Then of course, there's the littany of minorities in the Russian Republic. Lapps, Finns in Vyborg, Komi, Karelians, , Udnurts, Mariy, Chuvash, Bashkir, Nenets, Mordvians, Kalmyks, Ingutia, Cherkassy, Karachay, Dagestan, Chechnya, Ossetia, etc.

Other than the obvious (Chechnya, Ossetia), I'm not sure if any of these groups are unhappy with their current situation other than the Finns in the Vyborg area, which have consistantly offered to "buy" their entire area of land from Russia and award it to Finland. A very unique way to solve a problem...

Also, the Trans-Carpathian Oblast of the Ukraine as well as the Crimea have rumbled at times in the past about reunion with Slovakia and Russia respectively.

Abkhazia in Georgia, and South Ossetia have had tendencies towards independence as well. Ossetians are incredibly unique people by the way if you haven't ever heard of them. Typically very tall (I think 6'3 average), pale while persons with sandy blond hair. 95% muslim, and with a stunningly long average lifespan, they do not typify the region's physio-ethnic look. Although, they have been called "the original caucasians" As they do, in fact, live in the Caucasus. I know Hitler was preoccupied with them.

NO ONE can claim any right in even for a stone of Turkiye. If necessary I will kill any who does so with my own intestines. End of discussion, if you have anything else to claims send it to Turkish embassy.

*Writing letter*

Dear Turkish Embassy,

Someone on NS General said that they are willing to kill anyone who attempts to form a soverign Kurdish state on Turkish soil with their own intestines. Is this the official policy of the Turkish state? Are all Turks prepared to kill Kurds with their intestines?

Thank you for your response.

Kosovo would never want independence. They have always advocated joining themselves to Albania. Bosnia and Hercegovina have never advocated separation. Also, Vojvodina has never advocated independence, similarly to Kosovo, they have only advocated joining with Hungary.
Kosovo wants to go to Albania, Voevodina and Raszka wants to stay in Serbia (both 70% Serbian), 50% of Bosnia wants to join Serbia, 20% Croatia, and 30% wants to remaian independent... (soooo complicated, huh?)

I believe theres an area currently part of Moldova that is seeking independence and I'd put my money on them. As for British matters I'd say the union is pretty safe.

That's the Trans-Dniester Republic. They already mint their own coins, but I think only Russia has recognised them.

*Writing letter*

Dear Turkish Embassy,

Someone on NS General said that they are willing to kill anyone who attempts to form a soverign Kurdish state on Turkish soil with their own intestines. Is this the official policy of the Turkish state? Are all Turks prepared to kill Kurds with their intestines?

Thank you for your response.

lol they would tell you that it applies to anyone who sets sights on turkish soil :D I have many kurdish friends who are ready to die with me for this country. You are kinda dreaming a racial fight between turks and kurds, dream on, we are not nazis. Every citizen fights against outside forces and tis outside forces that set their sights on ou soil, because all citizens own this soil, it doesnt matter their ethnicity. In turkiye everyone regardless of their dna's or religion are accepted to live free and expected to die free to protect it.

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on Northern Cyprus (TodaysLuckyNumber).

lol they would tell you that it applies to anyone who sets sights on turkish soil :D I have many kurdish friends who are ready to die with me for this country. You are kinda dreaming a racial fight between turks and kurds, dream on, we are not nazis. Every citizen fights against outside forces and tis outside forces that set their sights on ou soil, because all citizens own this soil, it doesnt matter their ethnicity. In turkiye everyone regardless of their dna's or religion are accepted to live free and expected to die free to protect it.
I know one Kurd, who was in Kurdish army, fighting across all of Iraq and Turkey for freedom of his country...

Flanders, the northern part of Belgium might be the next independant one.

Separatism is more than a century old in the Northern part of Belgium. It also happens the biggest, richest and most populated part of the country.

This has lead to the country becoming a federal state with a very clear border, their own parliament at the same judicial level as the federal one, and a completely seperate culture.

They have their own tv-stations, there is no national one. There are no celebrities that are nationally known, there is no shared culture, prolly coz they speak a different language. (i.e. dutch in the north, french in the south)

The great autonomy of Flanders was achieved by political means over several generations. And it is ever increasing as Wallonia is impoverished and is willing to make bargains to get more money from the rich Flanders.

There are two things that keep the country together.

First of all: Brussels, a city full of french-speakers but geographically in Flanders, claimed by both. (as a result, brussels has it's own parliament...)

Second: the Royal family who is frequently mocked in the media coz of their poor knowlegde of Dutch but who are nevertheless loved by many. (Even tough jokes about the crown prince's stupidity are always appreciated)

If Flanders will become independant, it will be trough continued politcal negotiations. Some small incidents during the World Wars put aside, this cause has never caused riots or civil war (altough close at the end of WW II).

A peacefull separation. Sooner or later.

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on Northern Cyprus (TodaysLuckyNumber).
Unite them under one goverment. Let them freely trade and live. Its absurd that western world claims to be liberal and still goes on with embargo on Turkish side. They have casionos, beaches, a damn good place for tourism that should be a lot more richer in per capita than Turkiye, but its airports just lay down like that because no one accepts its existance.
We had Cyprus for a long long time until Ottoman empire lended it to english which they brought and placed rums one(rum=what you know as greek but actually orthodox ottoman citizen that has nothing to d with ancient greeks) later to own the entire place local rums were organised in gangs which started ethnic cleaning of turks in the island, Turkiye was forced to intervene on this inhuman act that was let happen by western world and his Nato allies. Turkish military fought against undercover greek army on the island and defeated them, pushed them till halfway then stopped gathering the survivors on one side. Then to protect them North Cyprus Turkish Republic was found and turkiye signed a deal with this new republic stating that turkish forces will protect them from any attack.
ITs interesting to see that people can side with ethnic cleaning just because it was turks on that island. And it clearly have hurt Turk american relationships than anything else, Turkiye trusted America as an ally but USA used embargo on Turkiye for so long years that we were at that time unable to buy necessary medicine and lots of people suffered and died. They were our allies dammit, USA used embargo to sell everything in black market to turkiye and ripped us off.
We always tried solving it but greek side always kept it waiting somehow to be able to dictate what they want. They clearly declined peaceful democratic talks, declined any offers made by United Nations and Koffi Annan, a very succesfull man. What should I think about? It is like a statue of hypocrisy of our allies that it stands divided.

The Lost City of Atlantis!

Alberta

Scotland? Alex Salmond isn't that appealing.

Separatism is more than a century old in the Northern part of Belgium. It also happens the biggest, richest and most populated part of the country...
A peacefull separation. Sooner or later.
Or never... If in a hundred years they have not managed to break away yet, I doubt they will any time soon. The most I could see happening would be the same sort of separation that occurs in Canada- Two nations in one country. Realistically, unless there is a violent reason to separate (Bombs going off every other day, and/or some natural resource over which to fight) it makes more sense to get along together.

Whoever voted for Chechnya must be nuts. Russia will never let any of their states go. Ever. The Russian government is not to be fucked around with.

"Vive le Quebec Libre!"

NEVER!!! :eek:

Alaskastan.

If necessary I will kill any who does so with my own intestines.

Sigged.

NEVER!!! :eek:
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I was in Markham once!



Of all places... MARKHAM? Oh god...

Of all places... MARKHAM? Oh god...
I try to avoid it as much as I can, but sometimes it gets in the way.