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Don't worry, nothing important got hit :D

Record meteorite hit Norway
As Wednesday morning dawned, northern Norway was hit with an impact comparable to the atomic bomb used on Hiroshima.
Peter Bruvold witnessed the meteorite streaking across the night sky.

The map shows the meteorite's direction of fall (the arrow) and the possible impact area over Troms and Finnmark counties.

At around 2:05 a.m. on Wednesday, residents of the northern part of Troms and the western areas of Finnmark could clearly see a ball of fire taking several seconds to travel across the sky.

A few minutes later an impact could be heard and geophysics and seismology research foundation NORSAR registered a powerful sound and seismic disturbances at 02:13.25 a.m. at their station in Karasjok.
Boom! (http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1346411.ece)

The scary thing is, no one knew it was coming down until it was already in the atmosphere. Imagine if it were aimed at London, or New York, or Tokyo...

That's the problem with these things. There just isn't enough money to track everything out there. I think we track only 1% of what's out there, which is problematic. An impact of this size in New York City would cause almost a million casualities right off the bat. It would be catastrophic. However, the "Humanity-Killer" is already coming, which is probably the size of what hit the dinosaurs and if it impacts anywhere we're all screwed. An impact in the Atlantic Ocean is going to wipe out every seaboard within the immediate vacinity. I tell you, I wouldn't even try to run from that, I would just sit comfortably and watch how far back the water drew as the wave neared.

I should ask Cotland about this, he lives in Bergen.

NS General is not fark.com

Someone here has to know the precentage of the surface that has humans on it to calculate the odds of one of those hitting where people are. Was that lucky, or would it be 'lucky' to hit a population center? And what are the odds that thing had 'friends?'

NS General is not fark.com

It isn't? Damnit!

I wouldn't call it luck but rather just "favorable" conditions to humanity that it didn't hit a major population center.

Meteorite......OR NUCLEAR BOMB?!?!?!

It isn't? Damnit!

http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=2110730

It isn't? Damnit!
Yes it is. Don't let him fool you.

Is this fake?

Meteorite......OR NUCLEAR BOMB?!?!?!
We're being bombed from space?

I, for one, welcome our new alien overlords....

The scary thing is, no one knew it was coming down until it was already in the atmosphere. Imagine if it were aimed at London, or New York, or Tokyo...
The small ones are almost impossible to spot. Since they're not really aimed the probabilities of one hitting a city or other populated area are incredibly small.

I blame climate change!

Seriously... that's pretty intense. I offer my sincere thanks to the Arctic Circle for taking that hit, because I would really not have liked it anywhere near me.

I don't believe it.

I do not think this happened. BBC has said nothing, MSNBC has said nothing, CNN has said nothing, ABC said nothing. It's fake.

God hates Norway.

I don't believe it.

I do not think this happened. BBC has said nothing, MSNBC has said nothing, CNN has said nothing, ABC said nothing. It's fake.
I'm having a hard time believing it too. There's nothing on Wikipedia nor Wikinews, either.

I'm having a hard time believing it too. There's nothing on Wikipedia nor Wikinews, either.
That's because nobody cares about Norway.

That's because nobody cares about Norway.

My freinds from norway so umm... decrease amplitude by 80 decibels IMEDIATELY!

Norway...Fjords make me hot.

Imagine if it were aimed at London, or New York, or Tokyo...
Imagine if it were aimed at all... :rolleyes:

If it were true... good thing Sweden's in the way to soak up some of the blast.

GO FINLAND!

I looked it up some, and the only thing that came up was that it is suspected that a meteorite hit a river in norway on christmas 1898...hardly recent. I think this may be a hoax

I don't believe it.

I do not think this happened. BBC has said nothing, MSNBC has said nothing, CNN has said nothing, ABC said nothing. It's fake.

It might still be fake but UPI has picked it up, adding:
"The meteor struck a mountainside in Reisadalen."

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060609-050952-4406r
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=&ie=UTF-8&ncl=http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1346411.ece&filter=0

So, Ny Nordland's Shield Of Self Righteousness couldn't change the meteors path...? How... disturbing...

I'm having a hard time believing it too. There's nothing on Wikipedia nor Wikinews, either.

To be fair, Wikinews doesn't work. The whole idea behind the wiki project is that articles will gradually improve over months of exposure to nitpicky internet people. But the difference between internet people and journalists is that a journalist is being paid to catalogue and write down anything that happens, whereas an internet person will maybe write an article maybe, if they can be arsed. For example, I remember when Chad declared War on Sudan, it took Wikinews nearly a full day to say anything.

Although, I am beginning to doubt the whether-it-happened-itude of this. But I do still blame climate change, regardless of whether there is anything to accuse it of.

Just because American news is having too much fun showing pictures of Zarqawi dead, which I can't get enough of, doesn't mean it hasn't happened. It's possible it has.

So, what happens when THE BLOB emerges from the meteor and consumes Norway like so much acigoo?

So, what happens when THE BLOB emerges from the meteor and consumes Norway like so much acigoo?

That would suck, I will agree and I'm going to point and laugh at Cotland if it does, just because I can.

But I do still blame climate change, regardless of whether there is anything to accuse it of.
What does the climate change have to do with meteorite crashes?

What does the climate change have to do with meteorite crashes?

What else have they got to blame? Coincidence is a foreign word. Don't you know that Bush is to blame? He used his cosmic powers over Mother Nature, you know the same ones that caused the earthquake in Indonesia in 2004 and that caused Hurricane Katrina to bring down the meteorite.

Its the beginning of the end... :fluffle:

Don't worry, nothing important got hit :D


Boom! (http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1346411.ece)

The scary thing is, no one knew it was coming down until it was already in the atmosphere. Imagine if it were aimed at London, or New York, or Tokyo...
Everyone is always tracking things the size of New York, they arn't tracking the refrigrator sized ones that could wipe out a city.

Everyone is always tracking things the size of New York, they arn't tracking the refrigrator sized ones that could wipe out a city.

Yeah and whilst one 100 mile wide asteroid will kill us all, enough samller ones will do the trick too. I finally found a use for NASA :). Nah JK.

NS General is not fark.com

It is not fazed.com either

Or any of perhaps millions of other websites.

Your statement is correct even if it is obtuse.

What does the climate change have to do with meteorite crashes?

Nothing, Greyenivol Colony apparently likes to contruct strawman arguments about what people concerned about climate change and concerned about George W. Bush base their concerns on.

What else have they got to blame? Coincidence is a foreign word. Don't you know that Bush is to blame? He used his cosmic powers over Mother Nature, you know the same ones that caused the earthquake in Indonesia in 2004 and that caused Hurricane Katrina to bring down the meteorite.

Exactly. :D

Nothing, Greyenivol Colony apparently likes to contruct strawman arguments about what people concerned about climate change and concerned about George W. Bush base their concerns on.

Can we please have another term for strawman? Its OK the first few thousand times you read it in a month but there are other words we could use occasionally.

Thank you in advance.

and there was I waiting for NN to come along and blame the muslims for the meteorite. Oh well.

Can we please have another term for strawman? Its OK the first few thousand times you read it in a month but there are other words we could use occasionally.

Thank you in advance.

Let's call it a 'Game of Jenga' Argument, Jenga towers are things that a person builds up only to knock down dramatically - plus, Jenga is fun.

P.S. I am not a Bushite science-denier, my blaming of climate change is a joke.

P.P.S. Man... I'm in the mood for playing some Jenga...

I'm having a hard time believing it too. There's nothing on Wikipedia nor Wikinews, either.

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1346411.ece

(And if Wikipedia is, as you imply, your main news source, that's just sad.)

Let's call it a 'Game of Jenga' Argument, Jenga towers are things that a person builds up only to knock down dramatically - plus, Jenga is fun.

P.S. I am not a Bushite science-denier, my blaming of climate change is a joke.

P.P.S. Man... I'm in the mood for playing some Jenga...

lol, I said you liked building strawmen arguments, not that you believed them.

(gave myself some wiggle room.)

I found one other mention of it, here (http://science.monstersandcritics.com/news/article_1171541.php/Large_meteorite_hits_northern_Norway), might just be a reprint of the one linked. But I also found this (http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/14759319.htm)-
Young is an astronomer and manager of the planetarium and science gallery at the Manitoba Museum in Winnipeg. The museum is collecting reports of sightings of Friday's fireball, which traveled from south to north over the Northland about 11:35 p.m. Friday.
Wednesday, Friday-not the same. Seems familiar, though...send reporters to Harper's Ferry!


No one's going to get that...

Aftenposten is Norway's second largest newspaper with a circulation of 256,600 copies for the morning edition, 155,400 copies for the separate evening edition and 232,900 copies for the Sunday edition in 2003. The paper was long considered the leading serious Norwegian newspaper. Strong competition in a shrinking market has made the paper move in a more popular direction, however, as signified by the choice of converting from broadsheet to tabloid format in 2005.

Okay... so this isn't just the Norwegian equivilent of the Weekly World News. But still, untill I see something else I am officially withdrawing my belief in this.

Also Strawmen are indeed enjoyable to build, especially when I deny them of their brains. muhahahaha.

It's not like meteorites are that rare to be news, besides if it doesn't kill anyone or makes lots and lots of damage it's even less newsworthy. There was a 7.1 earthquake in Siberia about two months ago, I only knew about it from keeping an eye on the USGS site, but other than that no one said anything.

I found one other mention of it, here (http://science.monstersandcritics.com/news/article_1171541.php/Large_meteorite_hits_northern_Norway), might just be a reprint of the one linked. But I also found this (http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/14759319.htm)-

Wednesday, Friday-not the same. Seems familiar, though...send reporters to Harper's Ferry!


No one's going to get that...

I got it. Please, don't make me get it again...

It's not like meteorites are that rare to be news, besides if it doesn't kill anyone or makes lots and lots of damage it's even less newsworthy. There was a 7.1 earthquake in Siberia about two months ago, I only knew about it from keeping an eye on the USGS site, but other than that no one said anything.

Which makes one think that an impact of this size would have registered with the USGS. So do they have anything that would corroborate the story? (I am not expecting them to have, but better to check.)

Which makes one think that an impact of this size would have registered with the USGS. So do they have anything that would corroborate the story? (I am not expecting them to have, but better to check.)
No, but I don't know how that would show up in the world's seismographs and if the USGS would register.

At around 2:05 a.m. on Wednesday, residents of the northern part of Troms and the western areas of Finnmark could clearly see a ball of fire taking several seconds to travel across the sky. A few minutes later an impact could be heard and geophysics and seismology research foundation NORSAR registered a powerful sound and seismic disturbances at 02:13.25 a.m. at their station in Karasjok. Farmer Peter Bruvold was out on his farm in Lyngseidet with a camera because his mare Virika was about to foal for the first time. "I saw a brilliant flash of light in the sky, and this became a light with a tail of smoke," Bruvold told Aftenposten.no. He photographed the object and then continued to tend to his animals when he heard an enormous crash. "I heard the bang seven minutes later. It sounded like when you set off a solid charge of dynamite a kilometer (0.62 miles) away," Bruvold said. Astronomers were excited by the news. "There were ground tremors, a house shook and a curtain was blown into the house," Norway's best known astronomer Knut Jrrgen Rřed Rdegaard told Aftenposten.no. Rred Rdegaard said the meteorite was visible to an area of several hundred kilometers despite the brightness of the midnight sunlit summer sky. The meteorite hit a mountainside in Reisadalen in North Troms. "This is simply exceptional. I cannot imagine that we have had such a powerful meteorite impact in Norway in modern times. If the meteorite was as large as it seems to have been, we can compare it to the Hiroshima bomb. Of course the meteorite is not radioactive, but in explosive force we may be able to compare it to the (atomic) bomb," Rred Rdegaard said. The astronomer believes the meteorite was a giant rock and probably the largest known to have struck Norway.


http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/woalert_read.php?id=6375&lang=eng

No, but I don't know how that would show up in the world's seismographs and if the USGS would register.

I thought that one of the tasks of the USGS was to monitor for underground nuclear tests. If this explosion was of the kiloton range, it would surely have shown up.

Yay for Norway!

Forget the oil, skiers and the Quisling history, they were hit by a rock!

...

I thought that one of the tasks of the USGS was to monitor for underground nuclear tests. If this explosion was of the kiloton range, it would surely have shown up.
Yup, but the site only shows earthquakes above 4 (2.5 in the US and surrounding area). The quake produced by the impact could have been less than that, plus I would imagine an impact produces a different wave than an underground nuclear test. And I doubt they make information on suspected nuclear tests publicly available on their website.

Someone here has to know the precentage of the surface that has humans on it to calculate the odds of one of those hitting where people are.

Standing up or lying down? We cover a much greater area when prone or prostrate than when erect.

It's not like meteorites are that rare to be news, besides if it doesn't kill anyone or makes lots and lots of damage it's even less newsworthy. There was a 7.1 earthquake in Siberia about two months ago, I only knew about it from keeping an eye on the USGS site, but other than that no one said anything.

Didn't even know about that one. I saw the meteorite thing from Drudge.

At around 2:05 [snip]," Rred Rdegaard said. The astronomer believes the meteorite was a giant rock and probably the largest known to have struck Norway.


http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/woalert_read.php?id=6375&lang=eng

But:
Did you mean: Red Hedegaard


No standard web pages containing all your search terms were found.

Your search - Rred Rdegaard - did not match any documents.

and academics always leave traces on the web.

Did it miss Ny Nordland?... Damn...

... just joking, I wouldn't wish death on any one really. (Hopefully)

*runs*

You know what's the sad part about this event? We, as a whole, won't learn a thing from it and when it hits a major population center we're going to go, "Oh yeah. We had a warning but we were too busy whining about Kyoto to pay any attention to it. RAWR GLOBAL WARMING!"

Did it miss Ny Nordland?... Damn...

... just joking, I wouldn't wish death on any one really. (Hopefully)

*runs*

Except Zarqawi...Oh wait...too late... :)

You know what's the sad part about this event? We, as a whole, won't learn a thing from it and when it hits a major population center we're going to go, "Oh yeah. We had a warning but we were too busy whining about Kyoto to pay any attention to it. RAWR GLOBAL WARMING!"


Huh? Sarcasm I suppose.

But not very well done.

Huh. Sarcasm I suppose.

But not very well done.


Shhhhh...they'll hear you...

Standing up or lying down? We cover a much greater area when prone or prostrate than when erect.I'm pretty sure a meteorite wouldn't have to hit you directly to kill you. Hence your measurement would be sheer pointlessness :p

You know what's the sad part about this event? We, as a whole, won't learn a thing from it and when it hits a major population center we're going to go, "Oh yeah. We had a warning but we were too busy whining about Kyoto to pay any attention to it. RAWR GLOBAL WARMING!"
There's so little we can do to detect a meteorite like that, and eve less to do something about it once detected, plus the probability that such a thing occurs is so low that it's not worth thinking about it that much.

Global warming, on the other hand, is present and we can do something about it.

But:


and academics always leave traces on the web.

Its a failure to use the right letters

Røed Ødegaard

http://www.answers.com/topic/knut-j-rgen-r-ed-degaard

I'm pretty sure a meteorite wouldn't have to hit you directly to kill you. Hence your measurement would be sheer pointlessness :p

Not really: we could all stand shoulder to shoulder on Martinique* (if we give everybody 0.2 square metres), or we could all lie down side by side on Trinidad** (if we give everybody 1 square metre). So the chances of survival of meteor strike are five times better if everybody stands up.


* 1000 square km
** 5000 square km

Did it miss Ny Nordland?... Damn...

... just joking, I wouldn't wish death on any one really. (Hopefully)

*runs*
He is too elusive. ^^

So did it bloody happen or didn't it? :confused:

And what are the odds that thing had 'friends?'
Do these friends come with benefits? :D
Ok, on a serious note about meteorite impacts...i suggest you all visit www.exitmundi.nl - an amazing site filled w/end-of-the-world scenarios.

I remember reading somewhere that the closer to the North and South poles one is, the more likely one is to find meteorites. I have absolutely no idea where it was that I heard this, or anything substantial like that, but I thought I would throw it out there. The people of Iqaluit have (At least marginally) more to fear than those of New York, even if they are laying down and the New Yorkers are standing up.

So did it bloody happen or didn't it? :confused:
Maybe. Still waiting for confirmation from other sources.

What are you all blabberring among yourselves? Of course it happened. Why would Aftenposten lie about it???

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/article1346820.ece

There, it's a headline news.

Maybe. Still waiting for confirmation from other sources.

International news companies in Troms? That might be a bigger news itself than the meteor...

What are you all blabberring among yourselves? Of course it happened. Why would Aftenposten lie about it???

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/article1346820.ece

There, it's a headline news.

Because General loves to fathom about conspiracies, even if they carry 0 proof.

Not believing news reports of anything is the newest sport on NS.

Formerly it was only disbelief of things against poster's views.

Now it is any news report that is not actively supporting a poster's views.

Only anti-bush pro gay anti bunny pro mud wrestling meteors and meteorites are credible here now.

Do keep up.

Only anti-bush pro gay anti bunny pro mud wrestling meteors and meteorites are credible here now.
Do you have proof of this?

Of course I do.

Only anti-bush pro gay anti bunny pro mud wrestling meteors and meteorites are credible here now.

Are we talking real bunnies (Rabbits) or Easter Bunnies? 'Cause I'm pro-EB and anti-rabbit.

And I never liked mud wrestling.

Because General loves to fathom about conspiracies, even if they carry 0 proof.

I mean, this isnt even political or economical. Why would a bias matter? Who'd benefit if a meteor hits Troms? Besides excited astronomers, that is.

Now it is any news report that is not actively supporting a poster's views.
I'm firmly against Meteors. I'm an anti-meteorightist.

Damn liberals with their meteors...

*wanders off, muttering*

I'm firmly against Meteors. I'm an anti-meteorightist.

Damn liberals with their meteors...

*wanders off, muttering*
Damn lefties you mean. <.< This is God's way of saying He hates them Commies.

I mean, this isnt even political or economical. Why would a bias matter? Who'd benefit if a meteor hits Troms? Besides excited astronomers, that is.

Who knows. But I've found that people will think of conspiracies for everything possible in this place. I'm waiting for the whole "WINAMP CAUSES STERILITY" conspiracy to form.

Who knows. But I've found that people will think of conspiracies for everything possible in this place. I'm waiting for the whole "WINAMP CAUSES STERILITY" conspiracy to form.

What conspiracy are you talking about?

Winamp does cause sterility!

What conspiracy are you talking about?

Winamp does cause sterility!


No it does not! The problem is that geeks who use winamp dont get laid.

Who knows. But I've found that people will think of conspiracies for everything possible in this place. I'm waiting for the whole "WINAMP CAUSES STERILITY" conspiracy to form.
That's ridiculous!

Winamp causes psychosis, and the government uses it to control your thoughts. Everyone knows that.

No it does not! The problem is that geeks who use winamp dont get laid.

LOL this guy is funny!

Right. Well, there was a meteorite hit in northern Norway at that time, so that is true.

However, it was hardly as spectacular as is claimed here. Though it was earlier believed that the meteorite was bigger than the biggest meteorite ever recorded in Norway (which was 90 kg,) the claim that it had the blast power of the Hiroshima bomb is flat out wrong.

According to my shambling 4-in-the-morning math:
Supposing the energy of the meteorite blast is equal to the kinetic movement energy of the meteorite before the blast, and that the Hiroshima bomb had a blast effect of 15 kilotonnes TNT. A meteorite weighing 100 kg would need a speed of about 1100 km/s to have this kinetic energy. Which is ridiculous.


Anyway, I think a possible explanation for why this isn't on international news is that a meteorite that makes a pretty decent-sized hole (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/Kelvan/_L04nedslaget1006_j_411040h.jpg) in the wilderness in Northern Norway might not be... Well... International news.

That is pretty fast and definitely not doable. So what would be the likely explosive power if it hit at whatever meteorites normally hit at? Is it 25,000 mph or something? If I recall correctly, the USS Arizona, when it got hit, exploded with the force of 1 kiloton so it isn't all that hard to have.

Anyway, I think a possible explanation for why this isn't on international news is that a meteorite that makes a pretty decent-sized hole (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/Kelvan/_L04nedslaget1006_j_411040h.jpg) in the wilderness in Northern Norway might not be... Well... International news.
It's bad news for the bears, though.

That is pretty fast and definitely not doable. So what would be the likely explosive power if it hit at whatever meteorites normally hit at? Is it 25,000 mph or something? If I recall correctly, the USS Arizona, when it got hit, exploded with the force of 1 kiloton so it isn't all that hard to have.

1 kiloton TNT? The equivalent of having a thousand tonnes of TNT on board the ship exploding? Sounds like the USS Arizona must have packed more ammunition than they could reasonably expect to use...

Anyway, I think a possible explanation for why this isn't on international news is that a meteorite that makes a pretty decent-sized hole (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/Kelvan/_L04nedslaget1006_j_411040h.jpg) in the wilderness in Northern Norway might not be... Well... International news.

Quite a possibility.

Imagine if it were aimed at all... :rolleyes:
Oh come off it, you knew what I meant :p

If the meteors that hit are called meteorites, are the ones that skim the atmosphere and miss called meteor-wrongs?

Imagine the response if this happened 6/6/06

If the meteors that hit are called meteorites, are the ones that skim the atmosphere and miss called meteor-wrongs?

Imagine the response if this happened 6/6/06

Dear God :eek: ,the christian nutjobs would be all over it.I think I belive in God since this did not happen on 6/6/06 and every forum on nation states would be full of religius nuts.Thank God! :)

Dear God :eek: ,the christian nutjobs would be all over it.I think I belive in God since this did not happen on 6/6/06 and every forum on nation states would be full of religius nuts.Thank God! :)
At 2am in Norway it means that somewhere it was still 6/6/06-most especially in the US where a good number of the people that would do the hair pulling would live. And most likely to dismiss the "It's not 6/6/06 where it landed" in favor of "It's 6/6/06 for me"...

1 kiloton TNT? The equivalent of having a thousand tonnes of TNT on board the ship exploding? Sounds like the USS Arizona must have packed more ammunition than they could reasonably expect to use...

I was looking up explosive potentials one time to see the speed and power of an explosion for an RP (was crashing a gas tanker into a military base) and I came across a list of explosion sizes and the USS Arizona was on it and I believe that it said 1 kiloton. I was shocked as well. Unfortunately, I can't find this page anymore and I've looked about 2 dozen times already. So I wouldn't quote me on it but I am pretty sure, albeit I could have read wrong.

What are you all blabberring among yourselves? Of course it happened. Why would Aftenposten lie about it???

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/article1346820.ece

There, it's a headline news.Duing to several recent experience with the media... it's not that they lie, it's that they never check their facts, or listen to their sources properly. A big mistake I came across a few weeks ago was when the Independent (a UK national newspaper), claimed that Africa is about the same size as Asia in terms of land area.

Here's a very minor example that relates to my student union. The article quotes 'the Guild Council'. Guild Council only meets once a month and since the motion was tabled for the next meeting, hence making it impossible for Guild Council to have made a comment on the motion.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/5054112.stm

In short, the media can get it wrong.

Blast. The aliens missed My Nordland.

Blast. The aliens missed My Nordland.Pfft, I beat you to that comment.

Come to Kenya - and forget Norway!

Lions and Tigers - only in Kenya.

Pfft, I beat you to that comment.
Then you pwn.

Come to Kenya - and forget Norway!

Lions and Tigers - only in Kenya.And bears?

Lions and tigers and bears, oh my!

And bears?

Lions and tigers and bears, oh my!

See for yourself when visiting Mount Kilimanjaro...

*thinks he spots a badger*

Just because American news is having too much fun showing pictures of Zarqawi dead, which I can't get enough of, doesn't mean it hasn't happened. It's possible it has.

BBC? Not American.

Although they too look to be having fun with dead Zarqawi...

maybe it was a nuke. if it is, bush definately needes to be impeached.

http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/kenya+live/

maybe it was a nuke. if it is, bush definately needes to be impeached.
ummm, more nations than the US have nukes...

so, you're saying that if Iran gets nukes, and fires one at Europe (however unlikely) that you'll blame Bush?

ummm, more nations than the US have nukes...

so, you're saying that if Iran gets nukes, and fires one at Europe (however unlikely) that you'll blame Bush?

Well, we can't blame Zarqawi anymore, right?

Well, we can't blame Zarqawi anymore, right?
We don't blame Zarqawi for everything, either.

We don't blame Zarqawi for everything, either.

Listen: bad things happen in 4 categories.
1} those caused by capitalism
2} those caused by Al Qaeda
3} those caused by the Gay Conspiracy
4} those caused by Fred Phelps.

Listen: bad things happen in 4 categories.
1} those caused by capitalism
2} those caused by Al Qaeda
3} those caused by the Gay Conspiracy
4} those caused by Fred Phelps.

So where do my hemorrhoids fit in?

So where do my hemorrhoids fit in?

Gay Conspiracy. :D

Gay Conspiracy. :D
Well, I'm bisexual, so I must be in on it without knowing it.

Well, I'm bisexual, so I must be in on it without knowing it.

Possibly. Which is entirely due to Fred Phelps!