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http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,19413201-601,00.html

Betrayed by one of his own, stalked by a high-tech organization, and STILL ALIVE for a few minutes - long enough to realize that we had him.

Evidently the people killed at the site are not the only high-level al-Q people killed - they've been hunting and killing them for the past few months. It's a decapitation of at least this group (the same could well be turned to bear on other groups).

Interesting that the tape that showed Zarqawi unable to properly shoot a machinegun (and was also derided by others on this forum as having no meaning and no value at all) was captured a day after he filmed it. It looks like they have been shadowing him closely for some time, waiting for the moment where they could be absolutely sure of getting him.

Nice to know also that the watch rooms at the Pentagon and CIA were on this in real time as well.

It's a decapitation of at least this group (the same could well be turned to bear on other groups).

And about as effective as decapitating a hydra.

And about as effective as decapitating a hydra.
I think it's more like cutting your fingernails.

Sure, they'll grow back. But if your a masochist, you can cut them back all the way.

And about as effective as decapitating a hydra.


Well, you can take out a hydra by nuking it. :p

Well, you can take out a hydra by nuking it. :p

That would be a lot of cooked meat. Barbeque, anyone?

Well, you can take out a hydra by nuking it. :p

One of its heads could not be harmed by any weapon. You should revise your mythology.

I think it's more like cutting your fingernails.

Sure, they'll grow back. But if your a masochist, you can cut them back all the way.

Yeah, and in the process mutilate yourself, which seems quite counter-productive indeed.

The logic of not killing Zarqawi is the logic of surrender.

I'm sure we can buy blue burqas for all the women, and burn down all of our churches, kill all the atheists, and shovel all the Jews into ovens to satisfy al-Q.

No more music, no more anything that a lot of people are used to - just endless days of Dar al-Islam as envisioned by Bin Laden.

A propaganda coup, nothing more.

Al Quaeda is cellular, and I sincerely doubt that the death of Osama himself would profoundly effect its operative capacity, let alone his lieutenant in Afghanistan.

One of its heads could not be harmed by any weapon. You should revise your mythology.


I fought 'em in HoMaM III.
Black Dragons with nukie-spells worked just fine.
:p

The logic of not killing Zarqawi is the logic of surrender.

The logic of thinking killing him accomplishes anything is the logic of creating more like him.

One of its heads could not be harmed by any weapon. You should revise your mythology.

Maybe we should use a disease then. Since normal weapons are useless, damn thing needs to breathe :)

I fought 'em in HoMaM III.
Black Dragons with nukie-spells worked just fine.
:p

Ah, if only cereal boxes held as much accurate material faithful to its sources as videogames...

Ah, if only cereal boxes held as much accurate material faithful to its sources as videogames...

*threatens Fass with a frivolous lawsuit on behalf of Kellogs Corporation*

Maybe we should use a disease then. Since normal weapons are useless, damn thing needs to breathe :)

It had a breath that could literally kill. Good luck trying to get an organic agent to survive that...

*threatens Fass with a frivolous lawsuit on behalf of Kellogs Corporation*

*uses the anti-litigious Swedish court system as protection*

Maybe we should use a disease then. Since normal weapons are useless, damn thing needs to breathe :)

Appoint Graeme Souness as its manager. The beast will soon lay down and die.

Appoint Graeme Souness as its manager. The beast will soon lay down and die.

After some shocking transfers of course.....

*uses the anti-litigious Swedish court system as protection*


*dispatches a gunboat to Stockholm*

*flexes his muscles naked in front of Fass*

*dispatches a gunboat to Stockholm*

*doesn't live in Stockholm*

After some shocking transfers of course.....

I still have faith in Albert Luque turning out to be a genius. He did score one goal (okay, it was against the Mackems but a goal's a goal) and he's bloody awesome in Football Manager.

*flexes his muscles naked in front of Fass*

*gags himself with spork, hands out preparation-H*

*doesn't live in Stockholm*


*has a hissyfit*

*has a hissyfit*

*pats on head, comforts*

*gags himself with spork, hands out preparation-H*
Yes, not all men's asses are inviting...

Yes, not all men's asses are inviting...

... but most can be cajoled, nevertheless.

maybe we should send the A-Team to Iraq

One of its heads could not be harmed by any weapon. You should revise your mythology.

Silver garlic stake to the heart? Oh wait, that ain't right...

*pats on head, comforts*

*sniffles and *tear* *

Sweden is EBIL!

... but most can be cajoled, nevertheless.
Well, if I go back to London, I'll take a side trip to Sweden (probably in August).

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,19413201-601,00.html

Betrayed by one of his own, stalked by a high-tech organization, and STILL ALIVE for a few minutes - long enough to realize that we had him.

Evidently the people killed at the site are not the only high-level al-Q people killed - they've been hunting and killing them for the past few months. It's a decapitation of at least this group (the same could well be turned to bear on other groups).

Interesting that the tape that showed Zarqawi unable to properly shoot a machinegun (and was also derided by others on this forum as having no meaning and no value at all) was captured a day after he filmed it. It looks like they have been shadowing him closely for some time, waiting for the moment where they could be absolutely sure of getting him.

Nice to know also that the watch rooms at the Pentagon and CIA were on this in real time as well.
So, basically the point of this thread is a pissing contest of 'Our killers are better than their killers'.

Anyway, I thought reports said he'd been sold out by his own men, which just goes to prove that greed is universal. Probably be cheaper for the US in the long run if they just put a $1mill bounty on the head of every insurgent and leave them to it.

...just put a $1mill bounty on the head of every insurgent and leave them to it.


Nah, after the first cheque bounced they'd get smart and ask for an advance.

A propaganda coup, nothing more.

Al Quaeda is cellular, and I sincerely doubt that the death of Osama himself would profoundly effect its operative capacity, let alone his lieutenant in Afghanistan.

You're ignoring the fact that this sort of organization is, by and large, a cult of personality.

After all, they don't really have a defined ideology - "Death to Israel" and "America Out!" sound good, but a few slogans does not an ideology make. Nor are they fighting for a nation, nor a religion, when you get down to it. The only "cause" they have is bin Laden and his deputies. Take them out, the whole pack of cards falls down.

Well, if I go back to London, I'll take a side trip to Sweden (probably in August).

I thought you were married. I'm not a home wrecker. Marriage actually means something to me.

I thought you were married. I'm not a home wrecker. Marriage actually means something to me.
I thought you were socially progressive.

Sex is not marriage to us - we're both swingers.

It had a breath that could literally kill. Good luck trying to get an organic agent to survive that...

Injections work right in te blood stream ;) if that does not work drowning is a good option forthe pesky hydra

And about as effective as decapitating a hydra.

So we burn the stump.

I thought you were socially progressive.

I am - that doesn't mean I have to do what I want others to have a choice of doing.

Sex is not marriage to us - we're both swingers.

Far be it from me to besmirch your openness, and while the thought of fucking you does entertain me in a sexually vindictive and purely dominating way filled with aggression and a smidgeon of resentment... umm... what was I trying to say?

So we burn the stump.

Alas, this particular stump is retardant to and tempered by fire.

Alas, this particular stump is retardant to and tempered by fire.


ok so we trap and encase the hydra in 200 tons of concrete. see the beast live through that.

From: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/08/world/middleeast/08cnd-iraq.html?_r=1&ex=1149998400&en=fed506599454b165&ei=5087%0A&oref=slogin

Six people were killed in the strike: Mr. Zarqawi, his spiritual adviser and four other people including a woman and a child.

But I suppose the others were worth it, correct?

But I suppose the others were worth it, correct?

Yup.

Stupid question, really.

*sniffles and *tear* *

Sweden is EBIL!
Of course. Why do you think Hitler stayed away from us in WWII? He was afraid of our justice system of DOOM.

But I suppose the others were worth it, correct?

As soon as you abandon any pretence that either of the sides in this conflict are the "good guys," you'll understand their behaviour so much more clearly.

Of course. Why do you think Hitler stayed away from us in WWII? He was afraid of our justice system of DOOM.


*has another Hissyfit*

Sweden is EBIL!

You're not going to get any arguments from me on that one.

*has another Hissyfit*
*Giggles with delight*

And Zarqawi didn't die because he underestimated his opponents, he died because he got in the way of some highly-lethal metal.

Of course. Why do you think Hitler stayed away from us in WWII? He was afraid of our justice system of DOOM.

Imagine his face if he declared war on Sweden, found out this was illegal and that he had to go to jail.

*Giggles with delight*

And Zarqawi didn't die because he underestimated his opponents, he died because he got in the way of some highly-lethal metal.


*is now frothing at the mouth*
:sniper:

Yup.

Stupid question, really.

There are no stupid questions, only stupid presidents. ;)

There are no stupid questions, only stupid presidents. ;)

Oh yes, there are stupid questions, as well as stupid presidents.

Oh yes, there are stupid questions

"Frågar man ingenting, får man ingenting veta." ("If you ask nothing, you'll know nothing.")

*is now frothing at the mouth*
:sniper:
:eek: Gun smiley! I don't think anyone's ever done that to me before... Except that guy who got a 5 day ban yesterday, but he doesn't count.

*Throws foam at BM* You like this, don't you?

"Frågar man ingenting, får man ingenting veta." ("If you ask nothing, you'll know nothing.")


He-who-remains-nameless knows a thing or 2.
2 stupid things.
He did ask 'em.

'Where's my pet goat?' was one.

:eek: Gun smiley! I don't think anyone's ever done that to me before... Except that guy who got a 5 day ban yesterday, but he doesn't count.

*Throws foam at BM* You like this, don't you?

:eek:
*replies by foaming at the mouth*
Besides, I need some beer!

He died because his luck ran out

One more martyr to the cause of international terrorism. Killing zarqawi isn´t going to make his organisation collapse, just as his killing our soldiers isn´t going to make us admit defeat. Two opposing ideologies seperated by the same God.

Still, he´s dead and I for one feel good about that. No doubt another fanatic will take over his organisation, but hey, zarqawi is still dead.

A propaganda coup, nothing more.

Al Quaeda is cellular, and I sincerely doubt that the death of Osama himself would profoundly effect its operative capacity, let alone his lieutenant in Afghanistan.

Al-Qaeda is cellular, yes. But al-Qaeda in Iraq is a traditional top-down paramilitary organisation, Zarqarwi had a significant role in organising the insurgency, and with himself and his top deputies splatted, the organisation has lost its leadership for now. But the insurgents are committed, so I doubt the organisation will stay leaderless for long...

Al-Qaeda is cellular, yes. But al-Qaeda in Iraq is a traditional top-down paramilitary organisation, Zarqarwi had a significant role in organising the insurgency, and with himself and his top deputies splatted, the organisation has lost its leadership for now. But the insurgents are committed, so I doubt the organisation will stay leaderless for long...

It does, however, give opportunities. It takes time to send in or select a new leader in a distributed organization - and more time for the new leader to restore communications and come up with new plans.

It usually promotes a fairly long term increase in communications traffic, which is highly advantageous to the counterinsurgency forces.

Al-Qaeda is cellular, yes. But al-Qaeda in Iraq is a traditional top-down paramilitary organisation, Zarqarwi had a significant role in organising the insurgency, and with himself and his top deputies splatted, the organisation has lost its leadership for now. But the insurgents are committed, so I doubt the organisation will stay leaderless for long...
...in Iraq.

And most of the insurgents are not connected to AQ, you know...

...in Iraq.

And most of the insurgents are not connected to AQ, you know...

Yeah, I know, it's this defeatist attitude that I'm addressing - where people say that the death of Zarqarwi won't have any notable effect, when in fact AQ-in Iraq is one of the main groups and this has been a harsh blow to them both physically and mentally.

Yeah, I know, it's this defeatist attitude that I'm addressing - where people say that the death of Zarqarwi won't have any notable effect, when in fact AQ-in Iraq is one of the main groups and this has been a harsh blow to them both physically and mentally.
True enough.

But there are defeatist, and there is sober assessments. I don't quite know who your comments are aimed at, but it's important to walk the middle ground between defeatism and unfounded (extreme) optimism.

One of its heads could not be harmed by any weapon. You should revise your mythology. If you take away the fantasy body by fantasy thermonuclear weapons the remaining fantasy head is fairly safe. Please change your fantasy to reflect this change.