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Kids these days :mad: Ms13? Sounds like it, although Houston is teeming with gang members.


Gang Members Kill Teen in Houston Park
Associated Press
June 7, 2006
www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-gang-attack,0,6720768.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines
HOUSTON -- About two dozen gang members armed with baseball bats and tire irons attacked a 14-year-old in a city park, and a teenage girl in the group stabbed him to death, police said.

"It was just mayhem," said Kevin McCarthy, who saw the attack Tuesday afternoon and called authorities. "They were just running all over the place."

Houston police Capt. Dwayne Ready said the gang members swarmed Gabriel Granillo and two other boys from both sides of the park around 2:45 p.m.

"The approach of the large gang, how the three were caught by surprise, the time of day, those kinds of issues indicate this wasn't just one of your random crimes of opportunity," Ready said.

They also slashed the tires and smashed the windshield of a vehicle apparently belonging to Granillo's friends, McCarthy said. Two males with the victim were taken in for questioning, police said.

No one had been arrested as of Wednesday.

Granillo, whom police said was affiliated with gangs, had recently left juvenile detention, relatives said. They said his father was in El Salvador and his mother was dead, and he had recently lived with his father's cousin.

Welfare isn't working for these people.
What we need is massive education and job creation initiatives in these areas. Not that we should stop welfare, but we should simultaneously attempt to reform these depressed areas as we provide them the means to survive so that someday they will no longer require the government teat.

Where to get the money for these initiatives, you ask? Why, from our overly large "defense" budget of course.

Welcome to Houston. Not much has changed since I left, it seems.

Welfare isn't working for these people.
What we need is massive education and job creation initiatives in these areas. Not that we should stop welfare, but we should simultaneously attempt to reform these depressed areas as we provide them the means to survive so that someday they will no longer require the government teat.

Where to get the money for these initiatives, you ask? Why, from our overly large "defense" budget of course.


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Welfare isn't working for these people.
What we need is massive education and job creation initiatives in these areas. Not that we should stop welfare, but we should simultaneously attempt to reform these depressed areas as we provide them the means to survive so that someday they will no longer require the government teat.

Where to get the money for these initiatives, you ask? Why, from our overly large "defense" budget of course.
I agree.

Welfare isn't working for these people.
What we need is massive education and job creation initiatives in these areas. Not that we should stop welfare, but we should simultaneously attempt to reform these depressed areas as we provide them the means to survive so that someday they will no longer require the government teat.

Where to get the money for these initiatives, you ask? Why, from our overly large "defense" budget of course.

Progressivism=failure.

Publicly hang the murderers and publicly flog gang members. Make welfare people work for their money....

If anything makes me angrier it's hearing about gangs of kids going around killing other kids.

Progressivism=failure.
Uh, no.
Progressivism=the reason Marxists didn't take control of the US and Europe in the 20's.
Publicly hang the murderers and publicly flog gang members.
Now it has been established by history that corporal punishment=failure. It just beuild resentment.
Make welfare people work for their money....
Well, yes, reasonably participating in the urban renewal projects should, at some point, be required to receive welfare.

Can somebody please explain where welfare was mentioned in that story?
Or economic status?
Or the educational levels of any of those who were involved?
Or that the city park was in an area of Houston needing urban renewal (whatever THAT means this week)?

Is there more to that story somewhere?


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I hate people:(

Can somebody please explain where welfare was mentioned in that story?
Or economic status?
Or the educational levels of any of those who were involved?
Or that the city park was in an area of Houston needing urban renewal (whatever THAT means this week)?

Is there more to that story somewhere?

Well, many people believe that crime is caused by poor economic conditions, which some believe can be remedied (or at least ameliorated) by education or welfare programs.

Uh, no.
Progressivism=the reason Marxists didn't take control of the US and Europe in the 20's.

Now it has been established by history that corporal punishment=failure. It just beuild resentment.

Well, yes, reasonably participating in the urban renewal projects should, at some point, be required to receive welfare.

Progressivism-socialism.

Who the hell goes out and murders someone after they are executed? Are we living in the zombie era or something?

Well, many people believe that crime is caused by poor economic conditions, which some believe can be remedied (or at least ameliorated) by education or welfare programs.

Chances are they were on welfare already. C'mon, look at the people from NO. On the gov't tit before, on the gov't tit after, and for ever.

Progressivism-socialism.
And socialism is inherently bad. Reagan told me so in a dream.

Hey, I know what will solve all the world's problems, more government intervention into our lives. It will be great. We'll all just head down to our local governments and sign up for welfare. *note the sarcasm*

Somebody earlier said we should use the overlarge defense budget to fund some government crap. That's a bad idea. You can't pay for all that socialism if you get invaded all the time.

Hey, I know what will solve all the world's problems, more government intervention into our lives. It will be great. We'll all just head down to our local governments and sign up for welfare. *note the sarcasm*

Somebody earlier said we should use the overlarge defense budget to fund some government crap. That's a bad idea. You can't pay for all that socialism if you get invaded all the time.
Too lazy to look up that “Someone” and use a name. Does not surprise me that you also got that someone’s position wrong

Hey, I know what will solve all the world's problems, more government intervention into our lives. It will be great. We'll all just head down to our local governments and sign up for welfare. *note the sarcasm*

Somebody earlier said we should use the overlarge defense budget to fund some government crap. That's a bad idea. You can't pay for all that socialism if you get invaded all the time.
Hypothetical scenario. Let's say 10% is all one needs to devote to a military budget to remain safe. Now, let's assume the government spends 40% on this budget. Don't you think that would be excessive and a waste of money?

And socialism is inherently bad. Reagan told me so in a dream.

Reagan=The man. Viva le reagan revolucian!

Socialism is inherently flawed. A nice idea, but human's are a little better than that.

Look at Africa.

Hypothetical scenario. Let's say 10% is all one needs to devote to a military budget to remain safe. Now, let's assume the government spends 40% on this budget. Don't you think that would be excessive and a waste of money?

No because we're gonna get some awesome new weapons out of this. And we certainly could be "safe" if we walled off ALL our borders, established a foreigner quarantine zone, and pointed all our guns towards the borders and do it all with a 10% .mil budget, but thats not an option.

Hell, why not make it 75? Get gov't back to what it's best at-killing things and being wolves.

Reagan=The man. Viva le reagan revolucian!

Socialism is inherently flawed. A nice idea, but human's are a little better than that.

Look at Africa.
I would say it is humans that are flawed rather then the plan ... It makes it impractical in reality but I hardly think we are "better then that"

I would say it is humans that are flawed rather then the plan ... It makes it impractical in reality but I hardly think we are "better then that"

If a plan is made for humans that cant work for humans the plan might have a flaw

No because we're gonna get some awesome new weapons out of this. And we certainly could be "safe" if we walled off ALL our borders, established a foreigner quarantine zone, and pointed all our guns towards the borders and do it all with a 10% .mil budget, but thats not an option.

Hell, why not make it 75? Get gov't back to what it's best at-killing things and being wolves.
If we are wasting 300 percent off the base (of 3 percent) we BETTER be geting a kick ass wepon system that ends all wars ... otherwise the military has to do without its 25 thousand dollar toliet seat

If a plan is made for humans that cant work for humans the plan might have a flaw
True thats what I was trying to get at ... but he made it appear that we are inharently "better" then the supposed plan just because it does not fit ...

Not nessisarily we are just incompatable its hard to judge "worth"

Hey, I know what will solve all the world's problems, more government intervention into our lives. It will be great. We'll all just head down to our local governments and sign up for welfare. *note the sarcasm*

Somebody earlier said we should use the overlarge defense budget to fund some government crap. That's a bad idea. You can't pay for all that socialism if you get invaded all the time.

Whilst for the large part I don't disagree, with respect to your last point I don't think it's likely that the Canadians are going to devastate the northern states by launching a massive tank assault the moment you let your guard down.

Whilst for the large part I don't disagree, with respect to your last point I don't think it's likely that the Canadians are going to devastate the northern states by launching a massive tank assault the moment you let your guard down.

But they may send in the mounties, and then where would we be? :eek:

But they may send in the mounties, and then where would we be? :eek:

ROFLMAOing? :D