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What would you do?

Me?

I'd be shitting myself.

http://www.naval.com/heavy-seas/3/burin.jpg

don't know - couldn't open the image

wave back

hmm image is there fer me...

strange!

wave back

Is that before or after you've kissed yer arse goodbye? :) LOL

Oh...I can see it suddenly...

that was a 60 footer...

It started trying to open then took me to http://www.directnicparking.com/

I think this may be the same pic http://www.naval.com/heavy-seas/3/burin.jpg

In which case I'd be saying my prayers . . .quickly

thanks...

I replaced the url...

that is the same pic...

I did see another pic of an oncoming 35 metre wave and a oil rig....but not had much luck...the Dnieper?? Something like that...

brrrrr

What would I do? Not much... There isn't much you can really do asides from hoping it won't capsize your ship.

"alea iacta est"...
And for ayone who doesn't know what that means... find out. Now.

Learn to swim. Fast. :eek:

Breath deep and hold it.

Take out my photo camera/PDA, take a picture and upload it very quick and then if I have time left post about it on NS :D

What would you do?

Me?

I'd be shitting myself.

http://www.naval.com/heavy-seas/3/burin.jpg
Well, i'd gaze in awe and then get soaked/die.

Take out my photo camera/PDA, take a picture and upload it very quick and then if I have time left post about it on NS :D


Hee hee, that's funny!

Hold my breath, grab a wooden board of some sort, get out of the boat and dive straight into the body of it.

Hold my breath, grab a wooden board of some sort, get out of the boat and dive straight into the body of it.

and die in about 60 seconds

Hold my breath, grab a wooden board of some sort, get out of the boat and dive straight into the body of it.


Wow, you're brave.:D

And, you get my Offical Smilie Of Approval!: http://smilies.vidahost.com/contrib/ruinkai/biggthumpup.gif


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and die in about 60 seconds
As opposed to sitting in the boat and dying somewhat later?

I'm going out in style!

As opposed to sitting in the boat and dying somewhat later?

I'm going out in style!

No doubt! But in this case the ship did not sink....

The ship did not sink....

What happened to it??

As opposed to sitting in the boat and dying somewhat later?

I'm going out in style!
You've got a much better chance to make it in the boat: most likely it's been closed all around, it floats better than you do, and has better engines to climb the wave (which may be huge but not too steep).

What happened to it??

http://www.helmholtz.de/en/Research_Fields/Transport_and_Space/INSIGHT.html

Freak waves - tracking down the secret of the giant waves
Dr. Wolfgang Rosenthal (Source: GKSS)
Dr. Wolfgang Rosenthal

>Interview with Dr. Susanne Lehner: Where does the wind blow from?
All just seaman's yarn?

There are no witnesses. Nobody knows why the good ship "München" sank north of the Azores on 12 December 1978. 110 ships and 13 aircraft searched in vain for the cargo ship whose crew sent out an SOS when they encountered a violent hurricane at just after 3 am. 28 men disappeared without a trace.

What was the "München's" fate? Dr. Wolfgang Rosenthal from the Helmholtz Research Centre Geesthacht (GKSS) believes he knows: "A giant wave might have swept over and capsized the ship."

Freak waves – that's what sailors call 35 to 40-metre high waves. Whether they exist at all was doubtful for a long time. People spoke of seaman's yarn.

The windows on the bridge burst open

On 22 February 2001, the 110 metre cruise ship "Bremen" encountered a storm in the South Atlantic with winds up to force 14. Heinz Aye, an experienced captain, is on the bridge. He's been going to sea for 48 years, but has never experienced anything like this. A giant wave, 35 metres high, races towards the ship. Green water everywhere. The windows on the bridge burst open, the incoming water knocks out the ship's electronics, the engines break down. The ship, with 137 passengers on board, is disabled, lies sideways to the waves and drifts through the hurricane with a 40° list. A dramatic 30 minutes. Then the engineers manage to start the auxiliary diesel engine and Aye can turn the "Bremen" back into the wind.

Normally, waves do not come any higher than 15 meters, even in heavy storms. This is also the standard that shipbuilders work to. Bridges are designed for a maximum wave height of 16.5 metres. And cargo hatches are not designed to resist the force of the water that hits them when a 40-metre wave crashes down on the ship.

Drilling platforms have their lowest deck at a respectful 35 metres above sea level. But even that isn't always enough. On 15 February 1982, a giant wave smashed the windows of the "Ocean Ranger" control room off the coast of Newfoundland. A little later, the platform capsized and all 84 crew members were taken to their death.

The radar eyes of ENVISAT discover these extreme waves

Nobody today doubts that the stories of freak waves are indeed a reality. Why and how these waves occur, how they develop and how long they last – these are just some of the questions that scientific research programmes like ENVOC or the EU project MaxWave, initiated by Dr. Wolfgang Rosenthal from the Helmholtz Research Centre Geesthacht (GKSS), are studying. In the final analysis, one of the goals is to develop early warning systems for shipping and coastal areas. And to deliver important information for the planning of ships, oil-drilling platforms or coastal constructions. So that fewer people in the future experience the horror of the last thing that they see being the wall of water that swallows them up.

As a result of the Helmholtz project ENVOC, oceanographers know where giant waves of up the 40 metres in height appear most frequently. They discover them by means of radar measurements taken by the ESA satellite ENVISAT orbiting around the Earth at an altitude of 800 kilometres. "Once every 100 kilometres, ENVISAT takes a five by ten kilometre area of the ocean surface in its sights," explains Dr. Susanne Lehner from the Helmholtz Centre DLR (German Aerospace Centre). The scientists working on the cross-centre ENVOC project have used the measurement data to produce a chart that shows the world's maximum wave heights. It reveals that waves of 20 or 30 metres are not a rarity in the southern hemisphere – where it was winter during the measurement phase; and they also appear in the North Atlantic. "The frequency is greatest where current and wind direction are converse," explains Lehner. "For example, in the Gulf Stream along the coast of North America, in the Agulhas Current off South Africa's eastern coast, in the South Atlantic off Tierra del Fuego."

It was there, in the South Atlantic, that Captain Karl-Ulrich Lange, an old and experienced mariner, encountered the Three Sisters, the name given by sailors to giant waves when they appear as a group. Lange is in charge of the cruise ship "Endeavour" when it gets into a hurricane on 2 March 2001. "The ship rode the first of the giant waves well," reports Lange. "And it just managed the second one. I knew we would not get through the third one unscathed." The ship went almost completely under. Bridge windows splintered , the ship's electronics partly dropped out. "Endeavour" only just managed to make it back to port in Montevideo.

Modelling wave development

"The satellite data do not yet enable us to warn ships specifically of freak waves," says Dr. Rosenthal. We would need more satellites for this and continuous ocean observation. However, we certainly can name the particularly dangerous regions and weather patterns. Furthermore, the data offer opportunities for simulating wave development in ocean and coastal regions more exactly with computer models than in the past and for using these models to make forecasts.

"These waves arise when longer waves overtake shorter ones and the amplitudes add up together," reports Rosenthal. The storm causes the freak waves to travel at speeds of up to 40 km/h. Sometimes, over a distance of 500 kilometres. If the swell and the waves caused by the wind overlap, the giant wave often surprises ships by coming from a completely unexpected direction. Sailors call this more short-lived kind of extreme wave the "rogue". It is one of three types that researchers differentiate between. The second is the wave group, the Three Sisters. And the third is a wave wall that stretches across several kilometres of ocean.

One captain who saw and survived such a wave to be able to talk about it said: "It looked as if the Cliffs of Dover were coming at me."

that pic is from the bride of the Bremen...btw

I would act like a crazy person and run around saying "The End is here. Repent your sins sinners!" :D

http://www.helmholtz.de/en/Research_Fields/Transport_and_Space/INSIGHT.html

Freak waves - tracking down the secret of the giant waves
Dr. Wolfgang Rosenthal (Source: GKSS)
Dr. Wolfgang Rosenthal

>Interview with Dr. Susanne Lehner: Where does the wind blow from?
All just seaman's yarn?

There are no witnesses. Nobody knows why the good ship "München" sank north of the Azores on 12 December 1978. 110 ships and 13 aircraft searched in vain for the cargo ship whose crew sent out an SOS when they encountered a violent hurricane at just after 3 am. 28 men disappeared without a trace.

What was the "München's" fate? Dr. Wolfgang Rosenthal from the Helmholtz Research Centre Geesthacht (GKSS) believes he knows: "A giant wave might have swept over and capsized the ship."

Freak waves – that's what sailors call 35 to 40-metre high waves. Whether they exist at all was doubtful for a long time. People spoke of seaman's yarn.

The windows on the bridge burst open

On 22 February 2001, the 110 metre cruise ship "Bremen" encountered a storm in the South Atlantic with winds up to force 14. Heinz Aye, an experienced captain, is on the bridge. He's been going to sea for 48 years, but has never experienced anything like this. A giant wave, 35 metres high, races towards the ship. Green water everywhere. The windows on the bridge burst open, the incoming water knocks out the ship's electronics, the engines break down. The ship, with 137 passengers on board, is disabled, lies sideways to the waves and drifts through the hurricane with a 40° list. A dramatic 30 minutes. Then the engineers manage to start the auxiliary diesel engine and Aye can turn the "Bremen" back into the wind.

Normally, waves do not come any higher than 15 meters, even in heavy storms. This is also the standard that shipbuilders work to. Bridges are designed for a maximum wave height of 16.5 metres. And cargo hatches are not designed to resist the force of the water that hits them when a 40-metre wave crashes down on the ship.

Drilling platforms have their lowest deck at a respectful 35 metres above sea level. But even that isn't always enough. On 15 February 1982, a giant wave smashed the windows of the "Ocean Ranger" control room off the coast of Newfoundland. A little later, the platform capsized and all 84 crew members were taken to their death.

The radar eyes of ENVISAT discover these extreme waves

Nobody today doubts that the stories of freak waves are indeed a reality. Why and how these waves occur, how they develop and how long they last – these are just some of the questions that scientific research programmes like ENVOC or the EU project MaxWave, initiated by Dr. Wolfgang Rosenthal from the Helmholtz Research Centre Geesthacht (GKSS), are studying. In the final analysis, one of the goals is to develop early warning systems for shipping and coastal areas. And to deliver important information for the planning of ships, oil-drilling platforms or coastal constructions. So that fewer people in the future experience the horror of the last thing that they see being the wall of water that swallows them up.

As a result of the Helmholtz project ENVOC, oceanographers know where giant waves of up the 40 metres in height appear most frequently. They discover them by means of radar measurements taken by the ESA satellite ENVISAT orbiting around the Earth at an altitude of 800 kilometres. "Once every 100 kilometres, ENVISAT takes a five by ten kilometre area of the ocean surface in its sights," explains Dr. Susanne Lehner from the Helmholtz Centre DLR (German Aerospace Centre). The scientists working on the cross-centre ENVOC project have used the measurement data to produce a chart that shows the world's maximum wave heights. It reveals that waves of 20 or 30 metres are not a rarity in the southern hemisphere – where it was winter during the measurement phase; and they also appear in the North Atlantic. "The frequency is greatest where current and wind direction are converse," explains Lehner. "For example, in the Gulf Stream along the coast of North America, in the Agulhas Current off South Africa's eastern coast, in the South Atlantic off Tierra del Fuego."

It was there, in the South Atlantic, that Captain Karl-Ulrich Lange, an old and experienced mariner, encountered the Three Sisters, the name given by sailors to giant waves when they appear as a group. Lange is in charge of the cruise ship "Endeavour" when it gets into a hurricane on 2 March 2001. "The ship rode the first of the giant waves well," reports Lange. "And it just managed the second one. I knew we would not get through the third one unscathed." The ship went almost completely under. Bridge windows splintered , the ship's electronics partly dropped out. "Endeavour" only just managed to make it back to port in Montevideo.

Modelling wave development

"The satellite data do not yet enable us to warn ships specifically of freak waves," says Dr. Rosenthal. We would need more satellites for this and continuous ocean observation. However, we certainly can name the particularly dangerous regions and weather patterns. Furthermore, the data offer opportunities for simulating wave development in ocean and coastal regions more exactly with computer models than in the past and for using these models to make forecasts.

"These waves arise when longer waves overtake shorter ones and the amplitudes add up together," reports Rosenthal. The storm causes the freak waves to travel at speeds of up to 40 km/h. Sometimes, over a distance of 500 kilometres. If the swell and the waves caused by the wind overlap, the giant wave often surprises ships by coming from a completely unexpected direction. Sailors call this more short-lived kind of extreme wave the "rogue". It is one of three types that researchers differentiate between. The second is the wave group, the Three Sisters. And the third is a wave wall that stretches across several kilometres of ocean.

One captain who saw and survived such a wave to be able to talk about it said: "It looked as if the Cliffs of Dover were coming at me."
Wow. :eek:

Wow. :eek:

yeah...the Bremen was very very lucky indeed....they could have easily have gone down

If there was enough warning Id head the boat stright into or away from the wave. Preferably into it under power. If not Id want to know where the nearest life jacket was and who Id have to fight for it.

If there was enough warning Id head the boat stright into or away from the wave. Preferably into it under power. If not Id want to know where the nearest life jacket was and who Id have to fight for it.

yeah you'd think that was a viable ooption but the problem is that you have no idea that one of these buggers is heading towards you...

From the footage I've seen...which is the footage from the Bremen....the ship went through three or four waves and then suddenly there's this monster 30 meter wave....they had enough time while heading down the trough to steer into the wave...but they were very much at the right heading anyway....

yeah...the Bremen was very very lucky indeed....they could have easily have gone down
I've always thought that the safest ship is a submarine. Unless it comes across a pack of rabid whales.

I've always thought that the safest ship is a submarine. Unless it comes across a pack of rabid whales.

tell that to the crew of the k12 or even the thresher....

although I have met submariners we never talked shop...so I have no idea...

I think that a tsuinami wave might disturb a sub seeing as its an underwater wave...


these 'freak' waves are on the surface so to speak....

Catch it and surf it. :p

I think that a tsuinami wave might disturb a sub seeing as its an underwater wave...
A tsunami disturbs basically the entire ocean. But it's so quick that it's gone before you realize it, so no problems there. Certainly you don't want to have engine problems underwater.

A tsunami disturbs basically the entire ocean. But it's so quick that it's gone before you realize it, so no problems there. Certainly you don't want to have engine problems underwater.

yeah thats true..the wave length is quite shallow...

you don't want any problems underwater!

:cool: Pffft you call that a wave, this is a wave!

http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=tbn:XcwNIdzyOXG2bM:www.lysator.liu.se/~hakgu/abpics/wave_bch.gif

:cool: Pffft you call that a wave, this is a wave!

http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=tbn:XcwNIdzyOXG2bM:www.lysator.liu.se/~hakgu/abpics/wave_bch.gif

nah...not impressed with cgi...nor gifs

nah...not impressed with cgi...nor gifs

Silence!

Silence!

Sound!

Silence!

shit! sorry! LOL:)

shit! sorry! LOL:)

You will learn, you will learn to obey!:p

You will learn, you will learn to obey!:p

HAHAHAHA!!!

Is that before or after you've kissed yer arse goodbye? :) LOL
ah, now i see the picture. so, i think i'd go get my canoe and try and surf it :D:p

ah, now i see the picture. so, i think i'd go get my canoe and try and surf it :D:p

Nutter!!! LOL

on second thoughts, having also now read the article you posted, i'd probably poo myself. there's no way i'm going to catch a wave going that fast. not without significantly advanced warning anyway.

on second thoughts, having also now read the article you posted, i'd probably poo myself. there's no way i'm going to catch a wave going that fast. not without significantly advanced warning anyway.

You said poo, lol.

on second thoughts, having also now read the article you posted, i'd probably poo myself. there's no way i'm going to catch a wave going that fast. not without significantly advanced warning anyway.

I'm thinking 60 seconds is generous....:)

You said poo, lol.
poo is a great word and much funnier than shit any time of the day :D

I'm thinking 60 seconds is generous....:)
i think i'd need an hour at least - time to find my helmet, spray deck, life-jacket, paddle, oxygen tank etc. and some (read: a lot of) dutch courage, then i'd take it on. i can always die later.

poo is a great word and much funnier than shit any time of the day :D

true...and I will bare that in mind for the future...

i think i'd need an hour at least - time to find my helmet, spray deck, life-jacket, paddle, oxygen tank etc. and some (read: a lot of) dutch courage, then i'd take it on. i can always die later.

stupid question - yer a surfer dude/tte??

yeah you'd think that was a viable ooption but the problem is that you have no idea that one of these buggers is heading towards you...

From the footage I've seen...which is the footage from the Bremen....the ship went through three or four waves and then suddenly there's this monster 30 meter wave....they had enough time while heading down the trough to steer into the wave...but they were very much at the right heading anyway....

Thats it! I dislike rogue waves now. I consider them liquid poo. Bum wee.

Thats it! I dislike rogue waves now. I consider them liquid poo. Bum wee.

Fantastic way with words !! LOLOL :)

stupid question - yer a surfer dude/tte??
canoe surfer - it's much more difficult but not so glamorous. plus i ride an sea canoe rather than a play boat which is really not suitable for surfing but i do it anyway cuz it's fun and you can't switch boats half way through your trip so i make do :).

edit: plus, i've been drinking so there's more bravado coming from me than sense :p

Brittanny ferries new flagship was hit by a 40m freak wave on her maiden voyage not long ago.

Brittanny ferries new flagship was hit by a 40m freak wave on her maiden voyage not long ago.

yeah it was a 40 footer...not metre:)

Brittanny ferries new flagship was hit by a 40m freak wave on her maiden voyage not long ago.


:confused:

Somehow that put a picture in my head of a 40 meter tall wall of freaks riding upon eachothers shoulders charging a ferryboat.

yeah it was a 40 footer...not metre:)

Thats still a lottta freaks:)

canoe surfer - it's much more difficult but not so glamorous. plus i ride an sea canoe rather than a play boat which is really not suitable for surfing but i do it anyway cuz it's fun and you can't switch boats half way through your trip so i make do :).

edit: plus, i've been drinking so there's more bravado coming from me than sense :p

Yeah...the cannoe peeps I know are pissheads as well LOL

Found this pic of a ship that had been struck by a freak wave http://www.ben-line.org.uk/bencruachan%20bent%20bow%201.htm

:confused:

Somehow that put a picture in my head of a 40 meter tall wall of freaks riding upon eachothers shoulders charging a ferryboat.
heh heh

yeah it was a 40 footer...not metre:)

:headbang: duh

100 lines "I must learn to read and not get confused between metric and imperial measurements"

Thats still a lottta freaks:)

Can't argue with that!!

Found this pic of a ship that had been struck by a freak wave http://www.ben-line.org.uk/bencruachan%20bent%20bow%201.htm
that ship is teh buggered

Found this pic of a ship that had been struck by a freak wave http://www.ben-line.org.uk/bencruachan%20bent%20bow%201.htm

http://www.tldm.org/News7/DamagedShip.jpg

whoa who bit my bows off?

this pic was taken from a oil rig in the north sea...they reckon this one was about 100ft..

http://tv-antenna.com/heavy-seas/3/6.jpg

http://www.tldm.org/News7/DamagedShip.jpg

Parrllel parking those isnt as easy as it looks