Black Box Voting
I was reading around blackboxvoting.org, an civilian watch dog group that tries to find election fraud as related to the machines and a lot of things are pretty scary they have found in their investigations, as well as the things being said by voting commission staff.
Just some of the things are
Voting Data discrepancies
Improper Handling of Votes
Discrepancies ignored by election officials
Missing memory cards
All kinds of things.
Any one have any more insight into Black Box Voting?
Free shepmagans
08-06-2006, 07:49
With all this fraud, are we even living in a democracy any more, at all?
No. You thought we were? How sad. I'd of hoped someone with the ability to type would be smarter then that.
No. You thought we were? How sad. I'd of hoped someone with the ability to type would be smarter then that.
No I have not really, I just did not know the corruption was so obvious and blatant. I just assumed most people were paid off after they got to Washington, or just made part of the in crowd, of course many were already. And I knew corporate lobbyists were pulling many strings. But I did not know there was such blatant corruption in voting, and who got to Washington.
Free shepmagans
08-06-2006, 07:56
No I have not really, I just did not know the corruption was so obvious and blatant. I just assumed most people were paid off after they got to Washington, or just made part of the in crowd, of course many were already. And I knew corporate lobbyists were pulling many strings. But I did not know there was such blatant corruption in voting, and who got to Washington.
Oh, ok that's much more forgivable. Better things to do instead of stupidity. I misjudged you sir/madam.
Gymoor Prime
08-06-2006, 08:14
Oh, ok that's much more forgivable. Better things to do instead of stupidity. I misjudged you sir/madam.
Well, it is a subtle difference. Instead of people being corrupted by the system, the sytem is already set up to bring in the already corrupt.
Well I suppose corruption has to be expected, as in any superpower as with the example of the Roman Empire. History repeats itself, on multiple levels. I suppose its a better society than barbarian rape, but still.
Any one else concerned with this very factual, and very common issue?
The things that are obvious and in people's faces seem to be the things they do not debate, as far as politics goes, but the things that are more abstract and an obviously fake set-up ideas such as the conservative Republicans and liberal Democrats seem to be debated all the time.
Quandary
08-06-2006, 10:41
I've worked at elections. There are often oversights that a determined politico with malicious intent could manipulate for serious impact. I have seen even some rather trivial non-official polls rigged and fudged. I would never do anything like it myself, although the thought is there. Some people just think they have so much at stake that they do. It is not really surprising in any selfishly polarised me vs world or us vs them culture...
I've worked at elections. There are often oversights that a determined politico with malicious intent could manipulate for serious impact. I have seen even some rather trivial non-official polls rigged and fudged. I would never do anything like it myself, although the thought is there. Some people just think they have so much at stake that they do. It is not really surprising in any selfishly polarised me vs world or us vs them culture...
I know, but when it comes to Presidential elections. I guess since those are party and financial based (Who gets the party support, who has the money, and the big donors) it really does not matter any way as it is rigged already. But basically it feels like our vote does not count. We really do not live in a democracy, except maybe voting on our local and maybe state officials?
Though I know my state officials are all from wealthy families with heavy stock in various corporations too.
Our entire idea society is an illusion, even on the local county level as I have observed politicians come from wealthy or prestigious families. Either that or their easily bought, or mingle with those types. I suppose democracy is just a lie.
It just makes it even more so of a lie when even the damned voting machines are rigged. Hard to believe that is going on in the United States and continues. No one even does anything about it.
[NS:]Fargozia
08-06-2006, 11:00
America- a democracy. ROTFLMFAO
Their constitution is designed to remove power from the people whilst telling them they have power. Read it carefully and look at all the implications that the statements actually have and how they have benn misinterpreted.
The Prime example of this is the right to bear arms. This was actually meant to be the right for the government to conscript not the right to let immature idiots, whose IQ is about their shoe size ,have more guns than they could ever actually use.
John Kerry as well as George Bush are both in the secret society.If it's a secret society, how come everyone knows it exists, eh?
It's just another elitist club, dime a dozen.
Ever since MGS2, the rest of the world has considered the 'States to be under the autocracy of the Wiseman's committee. Sad, but true.
If it's a secret society, how come everyone knows it exists, eh?
It's just another elitist club, dime a dozen.
I call it a "secret society" because that is what they are called at Yale, not as an actual description. Yes of course its an elitist club, but an elitist club where members appoint each other into important government positions, and seem to control the future of our nation.
The average citizen seems unaware of this (of course the average citizen is unaware of many things), it is just very sad to see.
This issue will come up again in 2008 most likely, so again, are we really voting at all?
Andaluciae
13-02-2007, 03:20
Tinfoil hat.
Andaluciae
13-02-2007, 03:21
If it's a secret society, how come everyone knows it exists, eh?
It's just another elitist club, dime a dozen.
Same stupid myths people spread about the freemasons, and honestly, I can't imagine my grandfather doing anything any more sinister than drinking brandy and playing cards with a bunch of other dudes wearing aprons.
The Nazz
13-02-2007, 03:26
Electronic voting machines bother me, and I've been saying so since 2003 or so, but that's because as a system, they don't fail well. There's no backup if they go down, so my issue is less with deliberate vote-stealing and more with just unverifiable equipment. There are much more effective ways to rig an election than to do it electronically, tried and true methods which have served crooked political machines well for decades.
And the Skull and Bones stuff is, as Andaluciae put it, tinfoil hat territory. Or rather, it's just an outward sign that the rich and powerful stick together to make sure they stay rich and powerful.
Everything can't be dismissed as "tinfoil hat', thats a sad argument.
Callisdrun
16-02-2007, 08:32
Everything can't be dismissed as "tinfoil hat', thats a sad argument.
Yeah, but this pretty much can. It's basically a group of Yale fratboy alumni. They appoint each other because they're fellow Yale fratboys.
Other than that, any more insight into Black Box Voting which is a bit more serious than the old boys clubs networks because its a direct violation, but its still what gets em elected lol.
The Brevious
16-02-2007, 08:44
I was reading around blackboxvoting.org, an civilian watch dog group that tries to find election fraud as related to the machines and a lot of things are pretty scary they have found in their investigations, as well as the things being said by voting commission staff.
Just some of the things are
Voting Data discrepancies
Improper Handling of Votes
Discrepancies ignored by election officials
Missing memory cards
All kinds of things.
Any one have any more insight into Black Box Voting?
Well, after some of the other conversation in here, i opted to post this link - if you're interested.
http://www.whitehouseforsale.org/ContributorsAndPaybacks/pioneer_profile.cfm?pioneer_ID=8
The South Islands
16-02-2007, 08:45
It wasn't a big issue last (congressional) election, because the Democrats won.
Proggresica
16-02-2007, 15:30
No. You thought we were? How sad. I'd of hoped someone with the ability to type would be smarter then that.
Come down from your high horse, Mr. Uses-then-when-the-correct-word-would-be-than.
The Nazz
16-02-2007, 20:15
Everything can't be dismissed as "tinfoil hat', thats a sad argument.
It's not all being dismissed as tinfoil hat stuff--just the Skull & Bones and Bohemian Grove stuff (from your other thread). The Black Box stuff is disturbing because there's great potential for fraud and because the system is not designed to fail well, but that doesn't necessarily mean there's a conspiracy--it just means there's a problem with the development of the system.