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Have you ever encountered any Fake/Wannabe/POSER Vets?

I ask because there seems to be a rash of them going on.

Have you ever encountered any Fake/Wannabe/POSER Vets?

I ask because there seems to be a rash of them going on.
Here? I assume you mean ones who just don't agree with you and don't think calling people ragheads or that war is peachykeen.

I'm not Eutrusca but I play one on t.v.

It's nothing new. Ever since I commanded legions of jarheads in World War 1, I encountered many "poser" vets, trying to get a job here or a cheap meal there.

It's disgusting. I usually bust them by asking them for their military ID, how do you figure them out?

Here? I assume you mean ones who just don't agree with you and don't think calling people ragheads or that war is peachykeen.

Of course that's what he means. Despite the US military being one of the most diverse organizations in the world everyone has the exact same political views.

Tell us, DesignatedMarksman, what exactly is your association, if any, with the military?

That's been a problem since at least the civil war and probably much longer than that. Con men bullshit artists carpetbaggers and worse have pretended to be veterans to gain trust and respect where none should be..

Probably the least troublesome and most common fake veterens just lie about being veterens to stroke their own egos and feel like they are the sort of people they look up to. Im not condoning this but I think most of these kinda guys are salvageable. If they are young enough twothings that might salvage them are military discipline and honor.

Anyway thats my 2 cents on fake veterens

Your TGs broken or something?

Of course that's what he means. Despite the US military being one of the most diverse organizations in the world everyone has the exact same political views.

Tell us, DesignatedMarksman, what exactly is your association, if any, with the military?In his slightly damp dreams most likely.

I'm not Eutrusca but I play one on t.v.

It's nothing new. Ever since I commanded legions of jarheads in World War 1, I encountered many "poser" vets, trying to get a job here or a cheap meal there.

It's disgusting. I usually bust them by asking them for their military ID, how do you figure them out?

:) I have a military ID, I like to use it whenever I want something... I've been able to get out of paying blockbuster fee's with it, and been able to get free stuff from red robins wearing my dogtags(well, not free, but abusing... basically free stuff).

I just kinda flash them, and people give me some automatic respect without anything needing to be said. Which is good, because I don't lie to people almost ever. I just let them presume :P

i'd charge you double if you tried to pull that on me. but that's just me. where i work it's always the military that cause the most trouble when they're in, without fail.

i'd charge you double if you tried to pull that on me. but that's just me. where i work it's always the military that cause the most trouble when they're in, without fail.

Meh, I'd walk out on the bill if you tried to charge me more, let the police decide who wronged who if you called 'em.

I'm a bad person, but meh.

Of course that's what he means. Despite the US military being one of the most diverse organizations in the world everyone has the exact same political views.
They may be ethnically diverse, but they certainly aren't politically diverse. Look at the opinions polls done of the military and you'll soon see that they are a bunch of Bushevicks, especially the younger ones. Makes sense, why would any sensible liberal, libertarian, communist, socialist, environmentalist fight for this country now?

Of course that's what he means. Despite the US military being one of the most diverse organizations in the world everyone has the exact same political views.

Tell us, DesignatedMarksman, what exactly is your association, if any, with the military?


i would disagree totally with your statement that all in the military have identical political views.
thats actually pretty narrow minded by you(no insult)
my dad was in korea,was a deacon when he died,talked me out of going into the marines,yet was conservative in some respects,and way more liberal then me in others.
thats an insult to alot of people that are free thinkers that happen to be in the service.
my son for example.

but with your attitude,i doubt you realise you have the right to insult the people that provide the right for you to insult them?

I just kinda flash them, and people give me some automatic respect without anything needing to be said. Which is good, because I don't lie to people almost ever. I just let them presume :P
You know what the US needs? Universal compulsory military service.
Nothing busts the myth of the heroic soldier defending the country quite as well...:p

i would disagree totally with your statement that all in the military have identical political views.
I think he was being just a little bit sarcastic. ;)

i would disagree totally with your statement that all in the military have identical political views.
thats actually pretty narrow minded by you(no insult)
my dad was in korea,was a deacon when he died,talked me out of going into the marines,yet was conservative in some respects,and way more liberal then me in others.
thats an insult to alot of people that are free thinkers that happen to be in the service.
my son for example.

but with your attitude,i doubt you realise you have the right to insult the people that provide the right for you to insult them?

From my experience, they arent identical, but it seems like a crap load of (incredibly nice and friendly, dont get me wrong, I loved my mates) brain-washed neo-cons. I always remember when some high ranking officer was talking to us, and asked us (basically rhetorically) why we invaded iraq.

The two responses the group of people(people waiting to go to bootcamp) gave were terrorism and human rights. I could literally see the officer getting a bit... not annoyed, dunno what word to use. But finally, he was like "Nooo... weapons of mass destruction....". It was pretty funny.

Then one of the seargants mentioned that they had just found chemical weapons in iraq, after the officer had said we hadn't found any. Nobody really questioned it.

When I got home, looked online... it was that factory built after the invasion that we found :P

You know what the US needs? Universal compulsory military service.
Nothing busts the myth of the heroic soldier defending the country quite as well...:p

I'm actually all for that. I'd be fine going into a two year stint into the military or so, as long as it was like germany, etc, who doesn't send their conscripts outside the borders really.

They may be ethnically diverse, but they certainly aren't politically diverse. Look at the opinions polls done of the military and you'll soon see that they are a bunch of Bushevicks, especially the younger ones. Makes sense, why would any sensible liberal, libertarian, communist, socialist, environmentalist fight for this country now?
Because it's the best system currently in use. *Libertarian*

Because it's the best system currently in use. *Libertarian*
Continue to fool yourself.

Your TGs broken or something?

Since when have attention-whores used telegrams?

i would disagree totally with your statement that all in the military have identical political views.
thats actually pretty narrow minded by you(no insult)
my dad was in korea,was a deacon when he died,talked me out of going into the marines,yet was conservative in some respects,and way more liberal then me in others.
thats an insult to alot of people that are free thinkers that happen to be in the service.
my son for example.

but with your attitude,i doubt you realise you have the right to insult the people that provide the right for you to insult them?

Perhaps I should have used the tags. I spent 4 years as a 19D on active duty, so I'm rather well acquainted with how soldiers are, and they're a very diverse group.

They may be ethnically diverse, but they certainly aren't politically diverse. Look at the opinions polls done of the military and you'll soon see that they are a bunch of Bushevicks, especially the younger ones. Makes sense, why would any sensible liberal, libertarian, communist, socialist, environmentalist fight for this country now?

I'm well aware that a majority of soldiers are neo-cons, but when I was in (I got out 2 years ago) I met a surprising number of Democrats, libertarians, and even several socialists. I was a libertarian when I was in, although I've become a social democrat since.

Most military don't really brag about it. Especially war experiences. Never ask about war experiences. If they want to tell they will but you have to be close to them and in a very private setting. If they talk about it don't comment just listen.

I'm a veteran of the Cola wars!

To actually try and stay OT.

The easiest way is ask for their DD214. The form you get when you get out of the service. If they say they don't have one or that it's "secret" so they can't show it to you, they're full of shit.

Every military person I've ever met (including myself) knows exactly where theirs is.

I've seen it happen, too. We were twenty clicks out of Danang and we had gooks in the wire in the DMZ. Charlie had claymore's strung up in the trees and we were getting cut to pieces...


Ha? What? :confused:

I'm a veteran of the Cola wars!

Never forget New Coke....so many good brands died that day.

Tell us, DesignatedMarksman, what exactly is your association, if any, with the military?
His name and nothing else, probably.

He couldn't hack in the military like I've had to. My TA company got posted to Afghanistan "for training" and I was one of only 36 who came back with all of their limbs.

Oh man, remember the multiple amputee porn star private detective Vietnam vet poster? Ah, priceless...

Oh man, remember the multiple amputee porn star private detective Vietnam vet poster? Ah, priceless...

...


WHAT?

Oh man, remember the multiple amputee porn star private detective Vietnam vet poster? Ah, priceless...

YES! What was his name again? Anybody?

Thanks to incompetence at the Veterans Administration however, a whole lot of vets and active duty military, including Forrest, are going to have an increased odd of ending up doing their bit on one of those Citibank commercials. You know, the ones with an old guy talking like a Valley Girl Bimbo or some hot chick talking like a Foxworthy Redneck.

Never forget New Coke....so many good brands died that day.
I was hell. At least Michael Jackson's hair caught fire.

YES! What was his name again? Anybody?


Johnny Wadd me thinks

You know what the US needs? Universal compulsory military service.
Nothing busts the myth of the heroic soldier defending the country quite as well...:p


I think he was being just a little bit sarcastic. ;)

To be honest, I think you are right. 4 years of compulsory service.....

There would be a lot less fake vets, there would be more people with actual discipline, we'd have more troops to use...

But then again, you can't build a hard-core warrior spirit in someone who's been drafted.

Of course that's what he means. Despite the US military being one of the most diverse organizations in the world everyone has the exact same political views.

Tell us, DesignatedMarksman, what exactly is your association, if any, with the military?

I'm a future member of it, I have several friends in it, and I've lost some in it too.

FYI...the military is ardently pro-bush, and a very conservative organisation as a whole.

I'm a future member of it, I have several friends in it, and I've lost some in it too.
So really none, then?
FYI...the military is ardently pro-bush, and a very conservative organisation as a whole.
Tell that to the Marines who got their site shut down by the CIA for reporting what was happening in Fallujah.

Johnny Wadd me thinks

That's it. Thanks.

A cookie for the first poster who can name the NS poster who claimed to have been a USArmy Ranger but recanted and apologised. :D

In his slightly damp dreams most likely.

Probably because my AC is broken, no doubt. Someone is coming by to fix it today. In the meantime, my room sounds like a boeing test wind tunnel.

They may be ethnically diverse, but they certainly aren't politically diverse. Look at the opinions polls done of the military and you'll soon see that they are a bunch of Bushevicks, especially the younger ones. Makes sense, why would any sensible liberal, libertarian, communist, socialist, environmentalist fight for this country now?

What's sad is the conservatives go off to die so the libs can see home and bitch about how things are going.

A cookie for the first poster who can name the NS poster who claimed to have been a USArmy Ranger but recanted and apologised. :D

Me! Me!

Now gimme mah cookie!

So really none, then?

Tell that to the Marines who got their site shut down by the CIA for reporting what was happening in Fallujah.

Like what, using WP to illuminate houses?

They were probably putting out information not supposed to be available...it happens. The military has censored it's email from the getgo, and the same with letters.

Like what, using WP to illuminate houses?

They were probably putting out information not supposed to be available...it happens. The military has censored it's email from the getgo, and the same with letters.
They used tracer to illuminate targets, actually.

The use of WP was just to kill or maim basically everyone in the area.

I'm a future member of it, I have several friends in it, and I've lost some in it too.

FYI...the military is ardently pro-bush, and a very conservative organisation as a whole.

a future member....

aka wannabee

son....war sucks dogs gnads

What's sad is the conservatives go off to die so the libs can see home and bitch about how things are going.

No, that's not what's sad.

What's sad is a so-called conservative feels he has to divide the world into two groups of people - 'conservatives' and 'libs.' Then, in true Nazi form, he dehumanizes the group he is not a part of by portraying them all as stay-at-home whiners, while he propagandizes the group that he thinks he's a part of as being a bunch of heroic champions. This portrayal of reality has nothing to do with, ya know, reality - it just makes you feel better since you have an enemy to hate and mates to wank off with.

That's sad.

No, that's not what's sad.

What's sad is a so-called conservative feels he has to divide the world into two groups of people - 'conservatives' and 'libs.' Then, in true Nazi form, he dehumanizes the group he is not a part of by portraying them all as stay-at-home whiners, while he propagandizes the group that he thinks he's a part of as being a bunch of heroic champions. This portrayal of reality has nothing to do with, ya know, reality - it just makes you feel better since you have an enemy to hate and mates to wank off with.

That's sad.

and the thread has been Godwinned.

and the thread has been Godwinned.

I really don't give a shit. If someone's going to act and sound like a little nazi, I'm gonna say so. I'm not going to just shut up because there's some stupid internet prophecy floating around.

Thanks to incompetence at the Veterans Administration however, a whole lot of vets and active duty military, including Forrest, are going to have an increased odd of ending up doing their bit on one of those Citibank commercials. You know, the ones with an old guy talking like a Valley Girl Bimbo or some hot chick talking like a Foxworthy Redneck.

:mad:


:headbang:

No, that's not what's sad.

What's sad is a so-called conservative feels he has to divide the world into two groups of people - 'conservatives' and 'libs.' Then, in true Nazi form, he dehumanizes the group he is not a part of by portraying them all as stay-at-home whiners, while he propagandizes the group that he thinks he's a part of as being a bunch of heroic champions. This portrayal of reality has nothing to do with, ya know, reality - it just makes you feel better since you have an enemy to hate and mates to wank off with.

That's sad.

And the thread has been godwinned....



Oops, Keci beat me to it.

They used tracer to illuminate targets, actually.

The use of WP was just to kill or maim basically everyone in the area.

They use tracer to POINT OUT trgets, not illuminate them. A tracer is a bullet with some sort of coating that when fired makes it burn a certain color. It's not enough to illuminate a target, only to point it out for others to hit. WP/Flares actually give off enough light to see things briefly in total darkness.


I'm not concerned if they used WP...there's a legal way around it.

a future member....

aka wannabee

son....war sucks dogs gnads

Go ahead and post my grandiose claims of my afghanistan exploits, Iraq adventures, and my top-secret position as a space shuttle door gunner for the NKGHSAVDNRGHR, or the organization so secret not even the gov't knows it exists.

Well...can you find them?

They don't exist because I Don't BS and brag about something I've never done. I'll post a REAL pic of a REAL FAKER here in a moment....

Here? I assume you mean ones who just don't agree with you and don't think calling people ragheads or that war is peachykeen.

No, the ones who are FAKE. So-called Jesse macbeth is an example-he's 100% FAKE. Never served a day in his life. www.authentiseal.com has records of others. And yes, Jesse macbeth had views I disagreed with AND he was a faker. So there you go.

and the thread has been Godwinned.
What does "Godwinned" mean? :confused:

And the thread has been godwinned....



Oops, Keci beat me to it.

It seems that while Godwin's Law holds true and every thread will involve at least one nazi comparison, Trostia's Corrolary holds true and someone (you) will try to use Godwin's Law to actually win the thread and somehow dismiss any opposing commentary outright.

And that too is sad. ;)

Go ahead and post my grandiose claims of my afghanistan exploits, Iraq adventures, and my top-secret position as a space shuttle door gunner for the NKGHSAVDNRGHR, or the organization so secret not even the gov't knows it exists.

Well...can you find them?

They don't exist because I Don't BS and brag about something I've never done. I'll post a REAL pic of a REAL FAKER here in a moment....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/vonbek/punchcoulter.gif

FYI...the military is ardently pro-bush, and a very conservative organisation as a whole.

FYI...the military is neither pro-Bush or anti-Bush. The military does what it's told, when it's told, and how it's told. The military is completely apolitical, anything less would threaten the foundations of civilian control of the military. It's individual members may be pro-Bush, but not all of them are. Yes, the military is a very conservative organization as a whole, but again, not all soldiers are.

Since you seem to be doubting my status as a veteran, check your TG's.

http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies.htm

www.veriseal.com

www.authentiseal.com

Google JEsse macbeth-the socialist wanna be ranger.

And the thread has been godwinned....



Oops, Keci beat me to it.

Godwin's Law refers to inane comparisons to Hitler such as 'Hitler didn't smoke either!!!' or 'You're not the only one to support animal rights, Hitler did too!!!'.

It ISN'T intended to denigrate a valid comparison to certain Nazi policies; from what I've seen of your posts the comparison seems rather apt.

Your TGs broken or something?

Telegrams? I don't think so...

They use tracer to POINT OUT trgets, not illuminate them. A tracer is a bullet with some sort of coating that when fired makes it burn a certain color. It's not enough to illuminate a target, only to point it out for others to hit. WP/Flares actually give off enough light to see things briefly in total darkness.


I'm not concerned if they used WP...there's a legal way around it.
Watch this, please.

http://av.rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9ibyJzEWYhECCkAnQCDBqMX;_ylu=X3oDMTBwMjNqdWVsBHBndANhdHdfd2ViX3Jlc3VsdARzZWMDc3I-/SIG=12gjjhl69/EXP=1149872964/**http%3a//videos.informationclearinghouse.info/fallujah_ING.wmv

Godwin's Law refers to inane comparisons to Hitler such as 'Hitler didn't smoke either!!!' or 'You're not the only one to support animal rights, Hitler did too!!!'.

It ISN'T intended to denigrate a valid comparison to certain Nazi policies; from what I've seen of your posts the comparison seems rather apt.

No, it refers to the probability that during a thread discussion a Nazi comparison eventually reaches 1.

"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law

Me! Me!

Now gimme mah cookie!

Half a cookie. You were a bad boy after all. (But it's "happy", so you shouldn't mind. :D)

Half a cookie. You were a bad boy after all. (But it's "happy", so you shouldn't mind. :D)

Pfft ... I was never serious anyway. Look at the lists of outted fakers. Those guys built a whole life around their claim ... I made a few posts on one isolated discussion forum.

World of difference.

*eats cookie*

No, it refers to the probability that during a thread discussion a Nazi comparison eventually reaches 1.

"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law

Its usually a good idea to have read the source before posting a link to it...

Its usually a good idea to have read the source before posting a link to it...


and what "valid comparison" was made? A personal attack comparing DM to Nazi's? An inane comparison between "conservatives" and "Nazi's"? Right, that's not Godwinning.:rolleyes:

and what "valid comparison" was made? A personal attack comparing DM to Nazi's? An inane comparison between "conservatives" and "Nazi's"? Right, that's not Godwinning.:rolleyes:

oh purlease!!!!!

and what "valid comparison" was made? A personal attack comparing DM to Nazi's? An inane comparison between "conservatives" and "Nazi's"? Right, that's not Godwinning.:rolleyes:

No, "conservatives" were not compared to "Nazi's."

DM's behaviour is similar to that of nazis. Propaganda use to dehumanize and generalize about the so-called enemy. In DM's case, anyone who is "liberal" is the enemy and must be dehumanized (as "libs" or "whiny bitches") because DM has a nazi-like mentality wherein he feels he must be a part of some group which hates some other group - that's where he gets his political identity from, being an enemy of his enemy, so that's what I point out. If pointing out this similarity bothers you, fine, say so. But don't just blurt out "OMG GODWIN" like a fucking internet bot designed to annoy people.

and what "valid comparison" was made? A personal attack comparing DM to Nazi's? An inane comparison between "conservatives" and "Nazi's"? Right, that's not Godwinning.:rolleyes:

Ok...this is really wierd...

only a few days ago I was reading wiki and godwinning...

the page was much larger that it is now...

anyway...there was a part that states that sometimes it is relevent to post regarding Nazi's if it is in context to the post. Otherwise one would

a - never be able to discuss WW2 and the Germans

b- not be able to mention the holocaust when discussing genocide

c- not be able to say that Stalin era rule was not the same as what Hitler was aiming to do

I am now (sorta) eating my words as I knew as soon as I posted my rebuttal it was fucked LOL

No, "conservatives" were not compared to "Nazi's."

DM's behaviour is similar to that of nazis. Propaganda use to dehumanize and generalize about the so-called enemy. In DM's case, anyone who is "liberal" is the enemy and must be dehumanized (as "libs" or "whiny bitches") because DM has a nazi-like mentality wherein he feels he must be a part of some group which hates some other group - that's where he gets his political identity from, being an enemy of his enemy, so that's what I point out. If pointing out this similarity bothers you, fine, say so. But don't just blurt out "OMG GODWIN" like a fucking internet bot designed to annoy people.

Like I said, the inane comparisons like this are Godwin's. Combined w/ the personal attacks really makes your arugement stand up.:rolleyes:

Ok...this is really wierd...

only a few days ago I was reading wiki and godwinning...

the page was much larger that it is now...

anyway...there was a part that states that sometimes it is relevent to post regarding Nazi's if it is in context to the post. Otherwise one would

a - never be able to discuss WW2 and the Germans

b- not be able to mention the holocaust when discussing genocide

c- not be able to say that Stalin era rule was not the same as what Hitler was aiming to do

I am now (sorta) eating my words as I knew as soon as I posted my rebuttal it was fucked LOL


Oh, sure. I recognize these as relevant discussions. I'm sure most would. It's the whole "DM=Nazi" nonsense though that makes it a blatant Godwin.
Hell, I think he goes over the top. Does that make him a Nazi? No. But the baby trolls need to make the reference.

Scince when does being a democrat make you a whiny bitch who dosnet serve? Thats just sterotyiping democrats. He's right, bigotry and dehumanizng others is a nazi/kkk thing. Not saying your'e in that, but hes right so dont give he some fucktarded shit about godwin, whoever the hell that is.

Oh, sure. I recognize these as relevant discussions. I'm sure most would. It's the whole "DM=Nazi" nonsense though that makes it a blatant Godwin.
Hell, I think he goes over the top. Does that make him a Nazi? No. But the baby trolls need to make the reference.

no arguement from me...but too many people have this (and its usually Americans for some reason) knee jerk thing about Nazi's and innerewbnet debates....

no biggy....ultimately its another demonstration of the pervsity of the universe...

Like I said, the inane comparisons like this are Godwin's.

Did I mention this before? If not, here goes:

I don't give a fuck about Godwin's Law. Not many people with real brains and real opinions do. It doesn't change a fucking thing. Saying "Godwins" over and over again is less than a response - it's a vacuum. Get the fuck over it already.

Combined w/ the personal attacks really makes your arugement stand up.:rolleyes:

Which "arugement" are you referring to? See, I get the impression that instead of discussing anything I am discussing - or even reading it correctly (you still think I was comparing all "conservatives" to nazis due to your ignorance) - you'd rather just sit there and try to dismiss me entirely with rallying cries of "Godwin! Godwin!"

You're not even SAYING anything when you do that. The only thing you've said is that I've made a comparison to nazis. Ooh, ahh, thanks for pointing that out! Yes, I made a comparison of DM to nazis. His behaviour is similar to nazi behaviour.

But then again, you can't build a hard-core warrior spirit in someone who's been drafted.
Three words

Audie Leon Murphy

Did I mention this before? If not, here goes:

I don't give a fuck about Godwin's Law. Not many people with real brains and real opinions do. It doesn't change a fucking thing. Saying "Godwins" over and over again is less than a response - it's a vacuum. Get the fuck over it already.



Which "arugement" are you referring to? See, I get the impression that instead of discussing anything I am discussing - or even reading it correctly (you still think I was comparing all "conservatives" to nazis due to your ignorance) - you'd rather just sit there and try to dismiss me entirely with rallying cries of "Godwin! Godwin!"

You're not even SAYING anything when you do that. The only thing you've said is that I've made a comparison to nazis. Like that's actually something I didn't know? Grow up.


Methinks you doth protest to much.

Methinks you doth protest to much.

Yeah, I get it. I make all these complicated... thought-thingies... and then use words to make... argument-thingies...

Apparently that's just too much for you right now. I accept your concession.

Yeah, I get it. I make all these complicated... thought-thingies... and then use words to make... argument-thingies...

Apparently that's just too much for you right now. I accept your concession.

If it makes you feel good, go right ahead. I'm sure it's a high point in your life.

They use tracer to POINT OUT trgets, not illuminate them. A tracer is a bullet with some sort of coating that when fired makes it burn a certain color. It's not enough to illuminate a target, only to point it out for others to hit. WP/Flares actually give off enough light to see things briefly in total darkness.


I'm not concerned if they used WP...there's a legal way around it.

Tracers used to be rounds whose projectiles emitted red light in flight. They were evenly spaced in the belts for machine guns as an aiming aid. Kinda like aiming a clothesline. Things mightve changed.

That's it. Thanks.

A cookie for the first poster who can name the NS poster who claimed to have been a USArmy Ranger but recanted and apologised. :D

Myrth?

If it makes you feel good, go right ahead. I'm sure it's a high point in your life.

Nah, slapping the shit out of the hairtrigger "OMG GODWINS LAW I WIN" argument is a mediocre entertainment at best. It passes the time, but of course I'd rather be having violent anal sex. Who wouldn't?

Tracers used to be rounds whose projectiles emitted red light in flight. They were evenly spaced in the belts for machine guns as an aiming aid. Kinda like aiming a clothesline. Things mightve changed.

Red and Green are the most common. I've also seen white and yellow though.

Nah, slapping the shit out of the hairtrigger "OMG GODWINS LAW I WIN" argument is a mediocre entertainment at best. It passes the time, but of course I'd rather be having violent anal sex. Who wouldn't?

Did I say anything about "winning" the thread? Nope. That would be a Red herring/strawman. Other types of logical fallacies similar to Reductio ad Hitlerum. I just pointed out the posted nonsense.

Red and Green are the most common. I've also seen white and yellow though.

Dang kids and their fancy schmancy colors.

Geezer ranting aside... Are there reasons for different colors?

Geezer ranting aside... Are there reasons for different colors?
Things would look very bland otherwise :) *nods*

Did I say anything about "winning" the thread? Nope. That would be a Red herring/strawman.

You acted like, having made the "the thread has been Godwinned" pronouncement, that was a valid argument against everything I said.

When in reality it doesn't even address the topic at all.

Other types of logical fallacies similar to Reductio ad Hitlerum. I just pointed out the posted nonsense.

Comparing behaviour to nazi behaviour isn't even the prime thrust of my argument. It's just an analogy. Dismissing the entire argument because you don't like one analogy is a fallacy. You didn't even address it. As I said - get over it. Godwin's Law is not an argument.

Tracers used to be rounds whose projectiles emitted red light in flight. They were evenly spaced in the belts for machine guns as an aiming aid. Kinda like aiming a clothesline. Things mightve changed.

No, they still use them to point out targets for others to fire at, and they also make aiming SOOOOO much easier, even in a semi-automatic rifle.

You acted like, having made the "the thread has been Godwinned" pronouncement, that was a valid argument against everything I said.

When in reality it doesn't even address the topic at all.



Comparing behaviour to nazi behaviour isn't even the prime thrust of my argument. It's just an analogy. Dismissing the entire argument because you don't like one analogy is a fallacy. You didn't even address it. As I said - get over it. Godwin's Law is not an argument.

When the only "analogy" you made is comparing DM's actions to those of the Nazi's, that is not a "fallacy". Making inane statements like that shows one to be fairly inept in arguemenst no matter how flowery the language they use.

Now you're trying to deflect away from the fact that I neither said nor implied anything about "winning". That would be you. and another Red Herring.

When the only "analogy" you made is comparing DM's actions to those of the Nazi's, that is not a "fallacy".

You're right, it's not a fallacy, because it's not the argument. I'm glad you recognize this. It's too bad you have to knee-jerk reaction to any comparison of someone or something to nazis, because otherwise you might be having a conversation here, instead of trying your hardest to win some obscure name-that-internet-law game.

Making inane statements like that shows one to be fairly inept in arguemenst no matter how flowery the language they use.


I really don't care if you think I'm "inept in arguemenst."

I'm not here to impress you.


Now you're trying to deflect away from the fact that I neither said nor implied anything about "winning". That would be you. and another Red Herring.

You ACT like you win, and Designated Marksmen took the opportunity to act like it too. Deny it if you wish. It's pretty clear that "Godwin" is used in lieu of arguments, as a means of silencing opposition. Since you've offered no argument, there's little else to conclude from your valuable insight.

Myrth?

No, actually I think it was Keruvalia.

But then again, you can't build a hard-core warrior spirit in someone who's been drafted.
You don't want a hard-core warrior spirit anyways (not that that's what you'd find in the US military today), not in modern times.
Today you want two things.
1) You want a military that can interact well with civilian populations from all around the world. Soldiers need to have respect, they need to be well-educated about the customs and language of their host country and they need to be generally nice people.
2) You want a military that properly represents the democratic state it is used by. You want those connections to be there - you want the US military to represent the US accurately, which means that the US military needs to be a much better representation of US society as a whole.

What's sad is the conservatives go off to die so the libs can see home and bitch about how things are going.

http://img309.imageshack.us/img309/8273/uscity6wr7jv.jpg

Have a cup of STFU, kthnx.

http://img309.imageshack.us/img309/8273/uscity6wr7jv.jpg

Have a cup of STFU, kthnx.
My entire area is covered in dots :(

-snip-
Dude, have I ever told you that you are absolutely awesome?

Why is there 1 from Guatemala and 1 from Panamá? Can they join the US military directly?

Why is there 1 from Guatemala and 1 from Panamá? Can they join the US military directly?

I think there are US troops stationed there? Perhaps the Marine units from those areas were transferred to Iraq and replaced with other units.

Why is there 1 from Guatemala and 1 from Panamá? Can they join the US military directly?

"By home of record." They could have been USians who lived in Guatemala and Panama, or they were immigrants that fought in the US armed forces.

Dude, have I ever told you that you are absolutely awesome?

Probably, but not often enough.

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Have a cup of STFU, kthnx.
In all fairness it doesn't say anything about poitical alignment.

In all fairness it doesn't say anything about poitical alignment.

Neither has anything the OP has submitted. The thing it shows, though, is that the dots rain heavily on the areas of the US seen as being the progressive parts of the nation (the North-East, San Francisco and Los Angeles, Miami, Seattle and Olympia, Austin and so forth). It is probably safer to assume that many (of course not all) of those dots indeed represent soldiers sharing the "liberal values" their homes are renowned for than to be imbecilic about it and claim that none of them do, as the OP did.

Neither has anything the OP has submitted. The thing it shows, though, is that the dots rain heavily on the areas of the US seen as being the progressive parts of the nation (the North-East, San Francisco and Los Angeles, Miami, Seattle and Olympia, Austin and so forth). It is probably safer to assume that many (of course not all) of those dots indeed represent soldiers sharing the "liberal values" their homes are renowned for than to be imbecilic about it and claim that none of them do, as the OP did.
No it isn’t. The polls of actual soldiers show that they overwhelmingly support the war and Bush. Where they come from doesn't matter. In fact their absence from those locations may contribute to those areas only slightly more progressive veiws.

No it isn’t.

A foolish stance, as usual.

The polls of actual soldiers show that they overwhelmingly support the war and Bush.

I've yet to see these seemingly elusive polls presented and what indeed this "support" entails.

Where they come from doesn't matter. In fact their absence from those locations may contribute to those areas only slightly more progressive veiws.

Their votes still count as votes from those areas, you know.

A foolish stance, as usual.
Why would any person of a liberal or soclialist ideology fight for the US government and the opression of Muslims?
So a lot of the deaths have been in places that vote Democrat? So? Most Democrats are conservative, as are most Americans in general.

Neither has anything the OP has submitted. The thing it shows, though, is that the dots rain heavily on the areas of the US seen as being the progressive parts of the nation (the North-East, San Francisco and Los Angeles, Miami, Seattle and Olympia, Austin and so forth). It is probably safer to assume that many (of course not all) of those dots indeed represent soldiers sharing the "liberal values" their homes are renowned for than to be imbecilic about it and claim that none of them do, as the OP did.

Well, the blue states also have the biggest chunks of the US economy and population so it is statistically more likely that soliders would come from there just due to the sheer number of people living there. Plus, USMC bases are usually located on the coasts, and the coasts have the most population and the biggest concentration of blue states.

Even so, most blue states are nearly 50/50 in terms of Democrats and Republicans; however, the political views differ so Republicans in Massachussetts might be more likely to vote Democrat than ones in Kansas. Summed up, the political affiliation of Marines in these areas can't be determined due to the statistic distribution of US population and the relative balance of Republicans and Democrats even in these blue states.

I've yet to see these seemingly elusive polls presented and what indeed this "support" entails.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/ips/lobe43.html

Well, the blue states also have the biggest chunks of the US economy and population so it is statistically more likely that soliders would come from there just due to the sheer number of people living there. Plus, USMC bases are usually located on the coasts, and the coasts have the most population and the biggest concentration of blue states.

Even so, most blue states are nearly 50/50 in terms of Democrats and Republicans; however, the political views differ so Republicans in Massachussetts might be more likely to vote Democrat than ones in Kansas. Summed up, the political affiliation of Marines in these areas can't be determined due to the statistic distribution of US population and the relative balance of Republicans and Democrats even in these blue states.

Of course it can't be determined - that's the entire point. Hence the idiocy of the OP's claims.

Of course it can't be determined - that the entire point. Hence the idiocy of the OP's claims.

And everything comes full circle...the thread has little of substance.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/ips/lobe43.html

January 1, 2004.

Pfft ... I was never serious anyway. Look at the lists of outted fakers. Those guys built a whole life around their claim ... I made a few posts on one isolated discussion forum.

World of difference.

*eats cookie*

Yep.

Why is there 1 from Guatemala and 1 from Panamá? Can they join the US military directly?

As for Panama, it's highly possible that casualty may have been born in the canal zone. Or, as Fass said, they could have been immigrants. Being a US citizen is not a requirement for joining the US military (although it is for gaining security clearances, AFAIK). And military serevice has long been fast track to gaining citizenship. I don't recall the numbers exactly, but I remember seeing somewhere recently that something like 3-5% of the US military are foreign born non-citizens.

In all fairness it doesn't say anything about poitical alignment.
edit: Already taken care of.

Why would any person of a liberal or soclialist ideology fight for the US government and the opression of Muslims?
So a lot of the deaths have been in places that vote Democrat? So? Most Democrats are conservative, as are most Americans in general.

You need to replace your tape. It seems stuck on trollish repeat, thread after thread.

Have you ever encountered any Fake/Wannabe/POSER Vets?

I ask because there seems to be a rash of them going on.
Yes, I have. But most of them seem to avoid me, perhaps because I wear a 173rd Abn Bde Cap. :)

As a matter of fact, there's a book and several Webistes which deal with this issue.

You need to replace your tape. It seems stuck on trollish repeat, thread after thread.
That’s okay Fass, I still respect you for speaking your mind.

That’s okay Fass, I still respect you for speaking your mind.

One does not respect someone for speaking, but one does so for what they are saying.

That's it. Thanks.

A cookie for the first poster who can name the NS poster who claimed to have been a USArmy Ranger but recanted and apologised. :D
I know who, but I don't bring things back that have been laid to rest if I can help it.

What's sad is a so-called conservative feels he has to divide the world into two groups of people - 'conservatives' and 'libs.' Then, in true Nazi form, he dehumanizes the group he is not a part of by portraying them all as stay-at-home whiners, while he propagandizes the group that he thinks he's a part of as being a bunch of heroic champions. This portrayal of reality has nothing to do with, ya know, reality - it just makes you feel better since you have an enemy to hate and mates to wank off with.
You couldn't be more wrong.

One does not respect someone for speaking,
I do.

I do.

Again, a foolish stance.

You're right, it's not a fallacy, because it's not the argument. I'm glad you recognize this. It's too bad you have to knee-jerk reaction to any comparison of someone or something to nazis, because otherwise you might be having a conversation here, instead of trying your hardest to win some obscure name-that-internet-law game.

See baby troll, this is what I'm talking about. Personal attacks, claiming "wins", and making inane comparisons to "Nazi's" for anything you don't like is not the making of a grownup.



I really don't care if you think I'm "inept in arguemenst."

I'm not here to impress you.

Then congradulations. You're succeeding at that much more than trying to slander people.



You ACT like you win, and Designated Marksmen took the opportunity to act like it too. Deny it if you wish. It's pretty clear that "Godwin" is used in lieu of arguments, as a means of silencing opposition. Since you've offered no argument, there's little else to conclude from your valuable insight.

And yet you're the only one going around claiming a "win". It seems pretty clear that those w/o any real debate skills use comparisons to "Nazi's" in lieu of any real arguements. Grown ups don't do that.

Yes, I have. But most of them seem to avoid me, perhaps because I wear a 173rd Abn Bde Cap. :)

As a matter of fact, there's a book and several Webistes which deal with this issue.


Yeah, there are some around. The most famous poser of late is Jesse macbeth. Pretty sure you would like to meet this guy for a friendly cup of coffee!

Man you are 8 pages late to the thread Eut! SLACKER!

Or shall I dare say....



COmmie! :eek:














:D

You don't want a hard-core warrior spirit anyways (not that that's what you'd find in the US military today), not in modern times.
Today you want two things.
1) You want a military that can interact well with civilian populations from all around the world. Soldiers need to have respect, they need to be well-educated about the customs and language of their host country and they need to be generally nice people.
2) You want a military that properly represents the democratic state it is used by. You want those connections to be there - you want the US military to represent the US accurately, which means that the US military needs to be a much better representation of US society as a whole.

What's to say a warrior is uncapable of dealing with civilians? The military is there to kill people and blow things up, however and as such that should remain numero uno, although dealing with citizens of a completely different culture, language, and mindset IS part of the training going in-theatre. They (from what I've heard, the brass) will breif ingoing marines/soldiers on local customs and traditions, etc so as to avoid major faux-pas on our part.

For example, in Afghanistan nearly ALL of the guys who live and fight with the afganis have beards. Why? Because in Afghanistan a man is not a man without a beard. SO the SF guys grew beards........and the locals seem to like them.

The above post makes no sense and I apologize. Coming off a 12hour big red buzz...

It's never a bad day to "opress" the "rights" of people such as alzarqawi and any other person who attempts to kill Americans. Or Iraqis.