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should someone be banned for speaking thier mind i mean sure some times people say stuff that offends someone else or thier opionion but thats just the other persons opionon i think its stupid and unfair.

...Are you asking if people should be allowed to write posts like yours, one uncapitalized sentence with no other form of punctuation?

Since you mentioned being banned I'll assume you mean "should people be free to speak their minds on NS". I believe that they should, but I don't make the rules, so that means if I have a killer recipe for methamphetamine I can't post it here along with the instructions "To all teens on NS, lose weight fast with this recipe!".

Since you mentioned being banned I'll assume you mean "should people be free to speak their minds on NS". I believe that they should, but I don't make the rules, so that means if I have a killer recipe for methamphetamine I can't post it here along with the instructions "To all teens on NS, lose weight fast with this recipe!".


you'd have to be sure to include warnings from the fire marshal for that recipe

I like your motto! Yes, SPEAK YOUR MIND! Politically correct is stupid. Call me anything you like, see if I care.

Call me anything you like, see if I care.

That doesn't always work in reverse. Some people don't like being called a ****** or spic or kike. What you call "politically correct", I call "common courtesy" and it is far from stupid.

This poll needs more Myrth.

Also, go ahead and speak your mind, but don't come crying to me if you get punched in the face because of it.

That doesn't always work in reverse. Some people don't like being called a ****** or spic or kike. What you call "politically correct", I call "common courtesy" and it is far from stupid.
That's not necessarily political correctness. I'd make a distinction between calling someone ****** or whatever and shouting someone down if he suggests that it's possible that black people on average will do worse at some tasks than white people will. The first, sure, that's not polite. Shouldn't be censored, but it's still not cool. The second, that's politically correct censorship. Nothing should be off limits to debate or discussion.

you'd have to be sure to include warnings from the fire marshal for that recipe
But, It's the Nazi COLD cook method! Ok, acetone or ether fumes probably aren't the safest thing to have filling your home, but what the fire marshal don't know won't hurt him.

Looks like South Islands won the bet.

But, It's the Nazi COLD cook method! Ok, acetone or ether fumes probably aren't the safest thing to have filling your home, but what the fire marshal don't know won't hurt him.
Unless its the fire marshal's home filling with propanone(IUPAC for the win) and ether fumes. Then what he doesn't know will blow hiss ass up. The rest of him too.

Nation States is not limiting anyones freedom of speech. Full stop. You can speak your mind all day long. Just not here. There is an ocean of interweb out there. I have never heard or read anything so vile nor obscene nor incorrect nor devisive nor dehumanising nor spirit crushing nor inhuman that it was unable to find a happy home on the internet with eager readers. Just not here. It isnt true free speech here but the price is right.

The rules on this forum which limit the content of posts are not very limiting. They are pretty much fairly written and fairly policed. And in my opinion the rules are very liberal in what they allow. Very few real subjects of debate are closed here. Ive got the impression (but not the statistics) that most of the bans are imposed for being abusive/ threatening to others and not because of some viewpoint held.

The OP myself and most other posters here are guests. Other people pay all the costs and do all the work involved in keeping this project going. It is up to them to decide when a guest is no longer welcome. It should not be that difficult to be civil and use just a tiny bit of decorum and (un)common sense. If that much is too much to suffer then start your own forum dedicated to pure free speech.

If you dont like the music that NationStates rules make then pay the piper and call your own tune

should someone be banned for speaking thier mind i mean sure some times people say stuff that offends someone else or thier opionion but thats just the other persons opionon i think its stupid and unfair.
you can speak your mind, but you can always do so in ways that don't break the rules of any forum. There is no exscuse to break any rules of the forum... especially one that carries an Insta-ban penalty.

Edit: Not voting due to improper poll

Nation States is not limiting anyones freedom of speech.
Yes it is. I can't claim to be bothered by this, but most well run forums have some limits on people's speech.

That doesn't always work in reverse. Some people don't like being called a ****** or spic or kike. What you call "politically correct", I call "common courtesy" and it is far from stupid.

What is a kike? I have heard of the other two.

Yes it is. I can't claim to be bothered by this, but most well run forums have some limits on people's speech.

No. It isnt. You can say whatever you like. Just not here. You are not silenced by these rules.

What is a kike? I have heard of the other two.

Person of Jewish descent.

Anyone here ever read 'Fahrenheit 451'? This PC crap is gonna doom us all.

Anyone here ever read 'Fahrenheit 451'? This PC crap is gonna doom us all.


what do you mean

and yes i meant speaking your mind on NS and did you mean my motto you liked.

also man i will say whatever i feel to someones face cause its my opinion they punch me oh well i got tolerance.

one last thing do you think someone should get banned for saying "your lucky iam not a leader or i would line up all the gays along a wall and put a bullet in thier head" thats an opinion so what if they think that i hate gays and would knock one out if they touched me but thats me i am a very controversial person some get amused by it others get offended and those who get offended need to deal with it. but dont get me wrong i am a fun person to hang with its just when someone asks me or brings up something on a forum i just say what i think.

what do you mean

and yes i meant speaking your mind on NS and did you mean my motto you liked.

also man i will say whatever i feel to someones face cause its my opinion they punch me oh well i got tolerance.

one last thing do you think someone should get banned for saying "your lucky iam not a leader or i would line up all the gays along a wall and put a bullet in thier head" thats an opinion so what if they think that i hate gays and would knock one out if they touched me but thats me i am a very controversial person some get amused by it others get offended and those who get offended need to deal with it. but dont get me wrong i am a fun person to hang with its just when someone asks me or brings up something on a forum i just say what i think.

I do think they should be banned for that. It's advocating violence and the deaths of an entire minority group. If that isn't cause for banning, I don't know what is.

Saying you would line up all the gays against a wall and shoot them if you were put into power is threatening violence. The fact that you may never achieve power doesn't matter. The fact that you may not mean it doesn't matter. It's a threat, that's why it would get you banned. You can say you hate gay people and not get banned, but you can't threaten violence against anyone.

what is up with all the gay threads its getting very annoying and i think that should be allowed its wrong against the christian religion and is just plain nasty and wrong around where i live gays eat curb

So do you think people should be allowed to say all black people deserve to die? That all hispanic people deserve to die? That all white people deserve to die? Even in the real world freedom of speech has limits, such as not being allowed to yell fire in a crowded theatre. If you stood up in a public forum out in the real world and said "all gay people deserve to be lined up and shot" you could be arrested for it.

We don't all believe in your religion, so why should we have to adhere to it?

I will say though that there is an overkill of threads on here about same sex marriages and homosexuality. I don't think we need them all, but what you said is a hell of a lot more offensive than a bunch of people saying they think gay people should have the same rights.

those who get offended need to deal with it
The way we 'deal with it' around here is to warn, forumban, or delete you if you cross the boundaries of the Terms of Service of this site. This is something you need to take to heart if you play to hang around here.

This website is private property. You will observe our rules, or you will be ejected. Plain and simple.

I like your motto! Yes, SPEAK YOUR MIND! Politically correct is stupid. Call me anything you like, see if I care.
Too true. I call you a wiseman. :)

Speak your mind, but be respectful.

should someone be banned for speaking thier mind i mean sure some times people say stuff that offends someone else or thier opionion but thats just the other persons opionon i think its stupid and unfair.


If you don't like that we will not allow to to say you want to beat people up and line them up and shoot them, GO TO ANOTHER FORUM.

Chamillitarry sounds like you're fishing for support, I do not offer support unless I know the details.

were you warned by the Mods?

Chamillitarry sounds like you're fishing for support, I do not offer support unless I know the details.

were you warned by the Mods?

Yes, he was.

Yes, he was.
Ahh... I thought that was the case... Then I shall vote for the third Option. :)

yes i know the lining up and shooting was a little over the edge and im not looking for support about that i just think we should be aloud to say alot more. and as for the biting the curb thing i dont agree with that im just saying thats what happens but i cant stand to be near a fag

yes i know the lining up and shooting was a little over the edge and im not looking for support about that i just think we should be aloud to say alot more. and as for the biting the curb thing i dont agree with that im just saying thats what happens but i cant stand to be near a fagso instead of saying "I can't stand to be near a fag." (assuming Homosexual and not a patch of Peat Moss :p )
can you say "I am very uncomfortable being close to Homosexuals"? means the same thing but won't offend without compromising your position.

At risk of sounding trite, there is a big difference between speaking your mind and mindless speech.

So, say what you think. If you offend me or post what I think is meaningless drivel, I'll ignore you. Someone else might not be so charitable. And, given that there are a number of minors on the forum, there are some things that really don't belong here, like, say explicit videos of women being beaten and other forms of violence, sexual and otherwise.

where i live gays eat curb
You're a liar. Last time I checked (just now, in fact), assault on another person was still illegal in Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan, and the United States of America.

If you in fact practice what you preach, I suspect you'd have enough of an appreciation of Juvenile Hall to know the detrimental effects of making dumbass statements like the above under some misguided interpretation of "freedom of speech".

By the way, you're not "a very controversial person". You're just another in a long line of dime-a-dozen bigots repeating outrageous and inflammatory statements you can't back up. We've dealt with hundreds of brainwashed morons repeating exactly the same line of crap. We'll deal with you too if we need to.

Way to change the meaning of the question from the meaning of the question in your prompt. Makes for some accurate and relevant results.

should someone be banned for speaking thier mind i mean sure some times people say stuff that offends someone else or thier opionion but thats just the other persons opionon i think its stupid and unfair.

free exchange of ideas and opinions,no matter how offensive...awesome

however,when in someones home,you respect their rules..simple as that.

Way to change the meaning of the question from the meaning of the question in your prompt. Makes for some accurate and relevant results.
why I refrain from voting unless I know exactly what the question is. :D

Well, now I know what it means to "eat curb"...kind of a dumb expression, but whatever...

yes i know the lining up and shooting was a little over the edge and im not looking for support about that i just think we should be aloud to say alot more. and as for the biting the curb thing i dont agree with that im just saying thats what happens but i cant stand to be near a fag

We can, and do, say quite a lot that is controversial. But as has been mentioned several times, there ARE rules that must be followed here.

And frankly, if you KNOW that your comments were over the edge, why say them in the first place? What do you hope to gain by being overly offensive? Do you think that advocating violence is a joke? Sorry, not funny.

Perhaps you need to think about the real problem here, which is your obvious phobia. If your personal fear of being in the vicinity of someone who is homosexual has you so crippled that you must express it in terms of murder and violence (even if, as you have backpedaled say, you don't actually ADVOCATE it) then perhaps you need some serious psychiatric counselling.

Nation States is not limiting anyones freedom of speech. Full stop. You can speak your mind all day long. Just not here. There is an ocean of interweb out there. I have never heard or read anything so vile nor obscene nor incorrect nor devisive nor dehumanising nor spirit crushing nor inhuman that it was unable to find a happy home on the internet with eager readers. Just not here. It isnt true free speech here but the price is right.

The rules on this forum which limit the content of posts are not very limiting. They are pretty much fairly written and fairly policed. And in my opinion the rules are very liberal in what they allow. Very few real subjects of debate are closed here. Ive got the impression (but not the statistics) that most of the bans are imposed for being abusive/ threatening to others and not because of some viewpoint held.

The OP myself and most other posters here are guests. Other people pay all the costs and do all the work involved in keeping this project going. It is up to them to decide when a guest is no longer welcome. It should not be that difficult to be civil and use just a tiny bit of decorum and (un)common sense. If that much is too much to suffer then start your own forum dedicated to pure free speech.

If you dont like the music that NationStates rules make then pay the piper and call your own tune

*Appluads* Well said.

why I refrain from voting unless I know exactly what the question is. :D
If you ask one question in the prompt, and then change the meaning of the question for the poll, you have made all the data collected inaccurate.

There were two different questions being asked, it is impossible to know which one to answer without further clairification. The author doesn't want to give any further clarification because as it is right now, the people who are only reading the poll question will give the response that the author wants to hear.

I was trying to point this out, that the author is collecting inaccurate and completely meaningless data in relation to the topic of their thread.

yes i know the lining up and shooting was a little over the edge and im not looking for support about that i just think we should be aloud to say alot more. and as for the biting the curb thing i dont agree with that im just saying thats what happens but i cant stand to be near a fag

My experience is such hatred usually starts from fear. One must wonder where that fear comes from? When you're prepared to face whatever problems you have with your own sexuality, I hope many of the people you claim you'd 'curb' are more understanding than you've been.

In the meantime, I hope you realize that the stereotype of the girlie 'fag' is rarely accurate and you're just as likely to they to be at the bad end of that battle. And hate crimes whether you are successful or not bear a VERY STIFF penalty.

May you be smart enough to keep this nonsense as internet bravado until you real the sexuality problem is most likely your own.

what do you mean

and yes i meant speaking your mind on NS and did you mean my motto you liked.

also man i will say whatever i feel to someones face cause its my opinion they punch me oh well i got tolerance.

one last thing do you think someone should get banned for saying "your lucky iam not a leader or i would line up all the gays along a wall and put a bullet in thier head" thats an opinion so what if they think that i hate gays and would knock one out if they touched me but thats me i am a very controversial person some get amused by it others get offended and those who get offended need to deal with it. but dont get me wrong i am a fun person to hang with its just when someone asks me or brings up something on a forum i just say what i think.

Whoa, somebody needs to lay off the colitas. And I think my meaning will be perfectly clear to anyone who read the book. If you haven't there are these things now called 'libraries' you should go to one. Read a book.

In addition to the concern that freedom of expression does not require a web site to allow you to use their resources to post whatever you write, there's the "fighting words doctrine" (http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=13718) that says that one is not free to express threats of violence as they are a form of violence.

There are ways to express any viewpoint on Nationstates, even those as hateful as Chamillitarry's. All it takes is a little creativity to doctor those unveiled expressions of bigotry into seemingly coherent arguments. In a way I almost prefer the rabid drivel of Chamillitarry, because any halfwit rodent is able to see this garbage for what it is. However, when the hatefilled statements are dressed up as serious thought, some poor idiots are bound to be taken in. So at least be satisfied that although repulsive, due to lack of intelligence or creativity, Chamillitarry's statements are completely harmless.

The real threat comes from those who are smart enough to disguise their threats.

"your lucky iam not a leader or i would line up all the gays along a wall and put a bullet in thier head"


Yes.

You're lucky I'm not leader, If I was, I would line up all the gays and have them run a train on you.

There should be a minimum IQ to certain freedoms :).

dont judge me on a comment i make i have a high IQ and people do make gays eat curb and i have never been in any type of prision/jail i just cant stand gays and i do read so shut the fuck up till you actually know me.

dont judge me on a comment i make i have a high IQ and people do make gays eat curb and i have never been in any type of prision/jail i just cant stand gays and i do read so shut the fuck up till you actually know me.

Given your rantings at the moment old chum, I suspect you'd do best to cool down. No-one's going to take seriously someone who states that he would commit genocide on a scale even the Nazis could only dream of, and tells his critics to 'Shut the fuck up'.

dont judge me on a comment i make i have a high IQ and people do make gays eat curb and i have never been in any type of prision/jail i just cant stand gays and i do read so shut the fuck up till you actually know me.

Your over the top reaction to gay men speaks volumes about who you really are. People who are secure in their sexuality don't act like that. They may dislike homosexuality, but they dont fly off the handle like you did and wish them all dead or have fits at the though of one being near them. I'm guesing you have serious internal issues with your own sexuality. You are likely afraid of being near gay men because you don't trust yourself not to "give in" to your hidden sexual desires. It's called internalized homophobia. But one day you will come to terms with it as most in your situation do as they age.

From wiki...

Some claim (including Sigmund Freud in his psychoanalytic theory) that some or most homophobics are repressed homosexuals, but this claim is somewhat controversial. In 1996, a controlled study of 64 heterosexual (half claimed to be homophobic by experience and self-reported orientation) men at the University of Georgia [3] found that the allegedly homophobic men (as measured by the Index of Homophobia [4]) were considerably more likely to experience more erectile responses when exposed to homoerotic images than non-homophobic men.

dont judge me on a comment i make i have a high IQ and people do make gays eat curb and i have never been in any type of prision/jail i just cant stand gays and i do read so shut the fuck up till you actually know me.

I refuse to comprehend these statments until they're somewhat more grammatically correct. Although I get the feeling I'm better off not understanding...

dont judge me on a comment i make i have a high IQ and people do make gays eat curb and i have never been in any type of prision/jail i just cant stand gays and i do read so shut the fuck up till you actually know me.
Somehow I don't think gays could stand you either, so you won't really be having much of a problem.

Grammar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_grammar)

I might report this to the mods.... If someone else doesn't.

dont judge me on a comment i make i have a high IQ and people do make gays eat curb and i have never been in any type of prision/jail i just cant stand gays and i do read so shut the fuck up till you actually know me.
so you're a homophobe?

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I might report this to the mods.... If someone else doesn't.
I'm pretty sure they're already aware of it, Fris and Kat both posted, I believe.

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