NationStates Jolt Archive

Do you know that Brittany is an independant state in law ? (No respect of international law by the treaty linking Brittany to France) That's why, Europe of nations could be a good compromise to the actual Europe of states. It means the europe could be a federation of nations (french, breton, scotish, english, galicians, ...) and not a federation of states (France, United Kingdom, Spain...).

It's a real project of some political organisations like this one http://www.eurominority.org

why?

How does Montenegro fit in exactly?


LEADING ARTICLE 5/22/2006

Independent Montenegro or how a Nation without State can find its sovereignty

A new State has just made its appearance on the chart of Europe: it acts of Montenegro. It acts of a small populated State of 620.000 inhabitants whose name Crna Gora in Serbo-Croat means black Montagnes. Until this date this province formed integral part of Serbia-Montenegro baptized thus in 2003 following the disappearance of the federal Republic of Yugoslavia.

The Montenegrins voted with more than 55% (nonfinal results) for independence, threshold imposed by the European Union which supervised the operation. The question was crucial and the rate of participation in the height of such an event: 87% of the registered voters!

One should not however not forget that a little less than 45% of the citizens Montenegrins voted against. Indeed, of many minorities coexist on the territory, in particular of Serb which did not wish to see their bond with the close older sister broken. Their fate must be observed with the greatest prudence. Let us hope for how Montenegro signs and ratifies the Charters and Conventions protecting the minorities!

And after Montenegro, in which it turn? The Kosovan ones by the way of their President Fatmir Sejdiu, are delighted already by the advertisement of the independence of Montenegro... Kosovo is on the way of its independence, announced it to congratulate the Montenegrins! And in will Europe, Scotland, Catalonia, the Country-Basque, Corsica or Brittany be one day independent? The question remains open. The Montenegrins showed the way... A referendum considered as Juste and peaceful by the observers and a strong European conviction! Who spoke to contain himself on oneself?

Mikael Bodlore-Penlaez

That's the article in ENGLISH everybody. Not silly French.

I have so little idea what the zombie jesus is going on. so :fluffle:

Do you know that Brittany is an independant state in law?

Is that a horrible Anglicism for "Bretagne?" Which by the way is not an independent state at all.

That's the article in ENGLISH everybody. Not silly French.

The article was in proper French (which you, by the way, should learn). Your translation is in bad English.

Why ?

because it sounds more respectfull of peoples than a federation of states where, sometimes like in France for instance, these peoples can't speak their language but have to speak french. It is also more respectful of cultures, history etc
Then it's a Europe more democratic. Actually the States defend their own interest into european institution. Then a breton or a scotish can't defend their own interests sometimes different from their state's one. I 'll try to explain : Brittany is traditionnaly a land of fishermen. But France hasn't interest to defend fishing. Then, Bretons' interests aren't recognised in the european institution and then not defended. That's why a Europe of Nation could give a chance to all nations to exist really in Europe.

Is that a horrible Anglicism for "Bretagne?" Which by the way is not an independent state at all.

Yes it's for Bretagne, Breizh if you prefer and in law it is independant. A french lawyer and historian proved it recently. It's name is Mellenec I believe. And as I'm a student in law too (4th year) i study his theory which is true. But in law only not in fact.

Yes it's for Bretagne, Breizh if you prefer and in law it is independant. A french lawyer and historian proved it recently. It's name is Mellenec I believe. And as I'm a student in law too (4th year) i study his theory which is true. But in law only not in fact.

I've read nothing of the sort in the major French press. Proof?

I've found a french article as you sound french :

http://www.agencebretagnepresse.com/fetch.php?id=2034 But it's not really the theory. If i find the full text i'll send you. All the theory is explained.

I've found a french article as you sound french :

Oooh, la, la.

But it's not really the theory. If i find the full text i'll send you. All the theory is explained.

Linky no worky.

Do you speak French ? If you do, this is a video. Melennec explains his theory. Sorry but it's the best i've found for now.

http://www.agencebretagnepresse.com/play.php?video=melennec.mpg
Edit : sorry it doesn't work. damn. Then i'll send you the text in english if I have the strenght to type all this long (and annoying) text.

Edit : sorry it doesn't work. damn. Then i'll send you the text in english if I have the strenght to type all this long (and annoying) text.

OK, I don't care that much, even if I do speak French.

Don't worry. I've found the french text. :p

http://www.gwalarn.org/diellou/1532.pdf

Don't worry. I've found the french text. :p

http://www.gwalarn.org/diellou/1532.pdf

150 pages? Yeah, you'll need to condense and focus.

On a more practical aspect:

It's hard enough to coordinate decisions and legislation in a EU with 20 member states.
How would one practically run a federation of hundreds of regions?

Ok. I'll give you only the main points. But if you are looking for historical proofs, you nead to read it.

- A treaty need the respect of institutions of each state who enter into.
At this time, the procedure to enter into a treaty in Britanny is :
First, a negociation beetween the duke and the executive institution of the other country, and next the aggreement of the "States of Brittany" it means the Parliament. But this Constitution of Brittany wasn't respect and the States vote the treaty whereas they must not have done it. In international Law, it's enought to cancel a treaty.

- A treaty need an agreement give in free manner. But, when the treaty was conclude, the French army was surrounding the breton Parliament and his deputies were corrupted by the french king

- A treaty has to be respected. But France until 1789 had violated it several time. In law, it's enought to cancel it.

It's hard enough to coordinate decisions and legislation in a EU with 20 member states.
How would one practically run a federation of hundreds of regions?

According to them, it would be possible with the concept of subsidiarity.

Ok. I'll give you only the main points. But if you are looking for historical proofs, you nead to read it.

- A treaty need the respect of institutions of each state who enter into.
At this time, the procedure to enter into a treaty in Britanny is :
First, a negociation beetween the duke and the executive institution of the other country, and next the aggreement of the "States of Brittany" it means the Parliament. But this Constitution of Brittany wasn't respect and the States vote the treaty whereas they must not have done it. In international Law, it's enought to cancel a treaty.

- A treaty need an agreement give in free manner. But, when the treaty was conclude, the French army was surrounding the breton Parliament and his deputies were corrupted by the french king

- A treaty has to be respected. But France until 1789 had violated it several time. In law, it's enought to cancel it.

That all seems to fail under the part where France just doesn't care and keeps Bretagne as its own.

That all seems to fail under the part where France just doesn't care and keeps Bretagne as its own.

As I said : Brittany is independant in law but not in fact. Moreover, it was just an exemple to begin this thread. ;)

Subsidiarity (competence for the regions in local matters and generally more federalism) isn't the worst of ways. It works - somewhat - in Germany.

But I can't see it happen in traditionally centralist France. I can't see an independent Bretagne, nor an independent Languedoc, Provence or Corsica.

Why ?


Then it's a Europe more democratic. Actually the States defend their own interest into european institution. Then a breton or a scotish can't defend their own interests

WTF is a scotish ?

Scots are the people

Scotland is the place

Scottish or Scots are adjectives

WTF is a scotish ?

Scots are the people

Scotland is the place

Scottish or Scots are adjectives


And Scotch is the booze.

Not everybody's first language is English, especially in Bretagne/Brittany.
No need to be condescending.

If you are going to quibble about Breton, brittany etc then you can expect to be picked up when you make a similar mistake.

If you are going to quibble about Breton, brittany etc then you can expect to be picked up when you make a similar mistake.

No, you can expect a little bit of leniency when you are typing (near-fluently) in a foreign language.

But anyway... I think this is probably something that on balance I would support. The EU is in desperate urge of democratic reform (including having some sort of standardisation in constituency size), and as long as the voting regions are similar to these 'national' regions then the peoples can vote for nationalist representitives.

It is good to see people caring about Europe, in any case.

WTF is a scotish ?

Scots are the people

Scotland is the place

Scottish or Scots are adjectives

:) I have just forgotten a word ("scottish people") escuse me but i beleived i had typed it.

then the peoples can vote for nationalist representitives.

I'm sorry again. But this time you are wrong : I have never voted for a nationalist party. Once more, Brittany was just an exemple. I could have taken Asturia or anything else. :p

Ah, why not go the Manx route? Part of the UK, but not the EU. Go the triskelion.