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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5054426.stm

this has be classed under the 'no shit' category.

Personally I class it as "shit, shit, shit, shit".:(

If they have so much "evidence" that all of this is true, why did the EU not find any evidence to support the same claims?

If they have so much "evidence" that all of this is true, why did the EU not find any evidence to support the same claims?

because the CIA and US military refused to co-operate with the European investigation into criminal activity.

because the CIA and US military refused to co-operate with the European investigation into criminal activity.

I would think that there would be plenty of European witnesses. After all, the bases being used would be European. In European states. Through European airports.

The EU didn't find any evidence there either.

Until you show the evidence, this is just something pulled out of a hat.

It does not, and, if proved, would not, surprise me in the slightest. America has a staggering disregard for international law and conduct.

It does not, and, if proved, would not, surprise me in the slightest. America has a staggering disregard for international law and conduct.

Well, if you either believe the US did such a thing, and the EU cooperated in it, then you have to lump the entire EU in with the "disregard for international law and conduct".

because the CIA and US military refused to co-operate with the European investigation into criminal activity.
But that doesn't prove anything. Not I think it's most likely that all this stuff is true, but I don't think that accusations like this should be made without concrete evidence.

I would think that there would be plenty of European witnesses. After all, the bases being used would be European. In European states. Through European airports.

The EU didn't find any evidence there either.

Until you show the evidence, this is just something pulled out of a hat.
Heh, EU didn't try to find any evidence. They ASKED the members if they had had illegal transport flights in their country. And you really believe that, let's say Romania, would tell the truth...

Finland has found evidence. So EU can't say that there is no evidence anymore.

Heh, EU didn't try to find any evidence. They ASKED the members if they had had illegal transport flights in their country. And you really believe that, let's say Romania, would tell the truth...

Finland has found evidence. So EU can't say that there is no evidence anymore.

I would think that most of the EU states were in on it, myself.

Yes, a few members no, but the majority yes.

The investigators evidently went to the supposed camp locations. No one saw anything.

And, as we say when people are accused of terrorism, until you can prove it in a court of law, the CIA is completely innocent.

Witch-hunt, that's all it is. My bet is that it is pure, antiamerican BS.

However, if it is true, it is nowhere near the extent people say it is. Again, witch hunt.

Deep Kimchi, I'm with you. For once.

And, as we say when people are accused of terrorism, until you can prove it in a court of law, the CIA is completely innocent.

THe CIA is an American government spy agency. THey are indirectly plotting out the assassinations of world leaders in order to further America's global dominance. Of course they're guilty, they're always guilty. :rolleyes:

THe CIA is an American government spy agency. THey are indirectly plotting out the assassinations of world leaders in order to further America's global dominance. Of course they're guilty, they're always guilty. :rolleyes:

Hmm. When was the last time a major world leader was assassinated by the CIA?

I thought they had a hard time pouring piss out of a boot that had the directions on the sole.

Hmm. When was the last time a major world leader was assassinated by the CIA?

I thought they had a hard time pouring piss out of a boot that had the directions on the sole.


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That's my point.

Hence the :rolleyes:

some of our american regulars have missed the point.

the CoE is a statutory body that investigates human rights abuses in the EU. Certain EU states (mine included) have accomodated the CIA in the rendering practice, which is illegal under European law.

these 14 states have to defend themselves or be fined and warned, the CoE is not investegating the US. The Irish govt have already responded saying that they got diplomatic assurances from Bush that there was nothing compromising on the planes, so thats enough for them.

The poles might be in significant bother if the black sites allegation turns out to be correct.

And havent the US admitted this practice, but denied torture was involved?

Well, I know for a fact that the German government's been screwing around. They were happy to call BS on the US attacking Iraq, but the German secret service helped them identify targets and all the rest of it.

Then there were numerous cases of BND agents turning up in Syrian prisons to which people had been flown by the CIA. And so on and so forth.

No one's being honest anymore. They're all saying one thing, and doing another.

No one's being honest anymore. They're all saying one thing, and doing another.

This Just In: Polititians Aren't Being Honest!

Today, a shocking discovery has occured -- many people in political power are not as honest as they seem.

"No one is being honest anymore," says Neu Leonstein, a famous NSer.

Public opinion seems to be siding with Neu, fifty-three percent saying that polititions are starting to lose their trust. Fourty-five percent say they still trust their leaders, and fifteen percent said polls are bullshit.

In other news, rumour has it that socialists tend to raise taxes, and sand is discovered in the Sahara.

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:D

You get a beer (http://www.biblebiere.com/Bieres/F/Flensburger/Btl_Verre_Flensburger_Pilsener.jpg). Because I don't do cookies.

:D

You get a beer (http://www.biblebiere.com/Bieres/F/Flensburger/Btl_Verre_Flensburger_Pilsener.jpg). Because I don't do cookies.


w00t!

Don't tell my government. (I'm underage) :(

*drinks happily*

Well, I know for a fact that the German government's been screwing around. They were happy to call BS on the US attacking Iraq, but the German secret service helped them identify targets and all the rest of it.

Then there were numerous cases of BND agents turning up in Syrian prisons to which people had been flown by the CIA. And so on and so forth.

No one's being honest anymore. They're all saying one thing, and doing another.

Well, think about it.

The number one priority of any government is its own self-existence. This applies especially to the bureaucracy (which includes spy agencies) and the military of any country.

So, to the government, terrorists are an untenable threat - they upset the constituency, make the government look bad, and might actually kill government personnel.

But, even a welfare socialist or welfare capitalist state has to placate the proletariat. And in today's world, you have to admit that there's a really bourgeois smell to the "proletariat". So, they tell the people that "we're being fair," or, "we're being tough," or, "we told the US to behave itself," all the while carrying on with the rough and dirty business of torturing, imprisoning, and killing terrorists as often as possible.

I'm not surprised that the US would do such a thing (but I would wonder why, since we have the Wake Island facility).

I am not even surprised that a lot of EU countries went along with it. They, in the final analysis, are no different from the US, except that the US has a prodigious capacity for projecting military strength.

The number one priority of any government is its own self-existence. This applies especially to the bureaucracy (which includes spy agencies) and the military of any country.
Sad but probably true.

Remember Adolf Eichmann (http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,420028,00.html)?