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A lot of people against gay marriage say that if you allow gays to marry, then they will allow polygamy, and allow people to marry animals.

Whats wrong with that?

If three people love each other, why not allow them to get married? Everyone is consenting, and if the issue is based on taxes or insurance, it's just a matter of changing a couple formulas to make it work for more than two people.

Now if a person loves and animal, and that animal in turn shows love in the way it can, why not allow them to marry? Again, changing a few formulas, taking into account the animal not being able to get a job, to make it work. If both the animal and person are happy, then whats the problem?

*waits to be publicly stoned to death*

Hmm, I hate to be the animal on wedding night. :eek:

Beside, we would see a mass movement of people marrying sheeps!

A lot of people against gay marriage say that if you allow gays to marry, then they will allow polygamy, and allow people to marry animals.

Whats wrong with that?

If three people love each other, why not allow them to get married? Everyone is consenting, and if the issue is based on taxes or insurance, it's just a matter of changing a couple formulas to make it work for more than two people.

Now if a person loves and animal, and that animal in turn shows love in the way it can, why not allow them to marry? Again, changing a few formulas, taking into account the animal not being able to get a job, to make it work. If both the animal and person are happy, then whats the problem?

*waits to be publicly stoned to death*

*checks sin level*

*casts a pebble*

Hmm, I hate to be the animal on wedding night. :eek:

Beside, we would see a mass movement of people marrying sheeps!

No, because that would be baaaaaaad.

Marrying animals would be like being able to marry anybody without their permission. Animals cannot speak for themselves and DO NOT WANT TO GET MARRIED.

Nothing wrong with sheep. I know lots and lots and lots of sheep.

Marrying animals would be like being able to marry anybody without their permission. Animals cannot speak for themselves and DO NOT WANT TO GET MARRIED.

They can't speak, but they sure as hell can love, and can readily show it. Who says they don't want to get married?

But... if we allow allow people to marry animals, the next thing you know, the gays will try to undermine the sanctity of marriage under the false guise of "equality"...

Marrying animals would be like being able to marry anybody without their permission. Animals cannot speak for themselves and DO NOT WANT TO GET MARRIED.
Yeah, they wanna be swingers. Why marry to cow when you can get the sex for free? :p

A lot of people against gay marriage say that if you allow gays to marry, then they will allow polygamy, and allow people to marry animals.

Whats wrong with that?

If three people love each other, why not allow them to get married? Everyone is consenting, and if the issue is based on taxes or insurance, it's just a matter of changing a couple formulas to make it work for more than two people.

Now if a person loves and animal, and that animal in turn shows love in the way it can, why not allow them to marry? Again, changing a few formulas, taking into account the animal not being able to get a job, to make it work. If both the animal and person are happy, then whats the problem?

*waits to be publicly stoned to death*
*breaks Mount Everest into human-size chunks and hurls at Donkey Kongo*:D

They can't speak, but they sure as hell can love, and can readily show it. Who says they don't want to get married?

Right. Same with 2 month old babies. Maybe they want to get married. Right?

Right. Same with 2 month old babies. Maybe they want to get married. Right?

As far as I can tell, two month old baby's mind has not developed enough to understand the concept of love. An adult animal's mind has.

As far as I can tell, two month old baby's mind has not developed enough to understand the concept of love. An adult animal's mind has.

Absolute hogwash on both accounts. IF you suggest that an animal can "understand the concept of love," then its a matter of course that a human baby - which has much more profound capabilities of learning than any animal - can understand the concept too. Frankly, any mother knows that babies know ALL about love.

So I repeat: why not let 2 month old babies get married?

The animals would just get abused. If you think animals would, or even can have the desire to get married then thats just weird. Animals don't have the ability to reason, all they have are instincts, one of them is NOT getting married.

Absolute hogwash on both accounts. IF you suggest that an animal can "understand the concept of love," then its a matter of course that a human baby - which has much more profound capabilities of learning than any animal - can understand the concept too. Frankly, any mother knows that babies know ALL about love.

So I repeat: why not let 2 month old babies get married?

A human baby does NOT have as much understanding as an adult animal. Have you ever owned a dog, or known one enough to understand its personality? If not, I can tell you that they understand a lot more than you're giving them credit for. If you were to marry a dog, you would have to understand its world and the concepts it understands, just as you would with a 'normal' relationship. A relationship like that is not yet possible for the child. The baby would be more concerned about getting milk, napping, and staring at mobiles, than subtleties in emotion. A lot of animals can understand those subtleties.

Well, theres really nothing wrong with those mentioned above. Its just that society hates them all.

Well, theres really nothing wrong with those mentioned above. Its just that society hates them all.
And with reason (with regard to animal relationships).

A human baby does NOT have as much understanding as an adult animal. Have you ever owned a dog, or known one enough to understand its personality?

Yes. And I can say for certain that a dog doesn't "understand the concept of love" nor would it be possible for the thing to understand - let alone consent to - the concept of marriage (which is not the same thing).

If you were to marry a dog, you would have to understand its world and the concepts it understands, just as you would with a 'normal' relationship. A relationship like that is not yet possible for the child.

And if a dog were to marry a human, that dog would have to understand the human's world and the concepts it understands.

A relationship like that is impossible for a dog.

The dog cannot consent. So when you talk about marrying animals, you're not talking about some kind of love. You're talking about the legalization of molesting animals.

Absolute hogwash on both accounts. IF you suggest that an animal can "understand the concept of love," then its a matter of course that a human baby - which has much more profound capabilities of learning than any animal - can understand the concept too. Frankly, any mother knows that babies know ALL about love.

So I repeat: why not let 2 month old babies get married?


Are you saying most adult humans are more intellegent than animals? When was the last time you balanced a treat on your nose or rolled over on command? :p

*moves to Mars*
*hurls planets at Donkey Kongo*

Is having sex with 'human-animal hybrids' beastiality? The world will never know.

when an animal can recognize itself, then I will believe that it understands love. And I don't mean being faithful such as a dog, as that stems from a pack mentality. I mean love in the type that is involved in marriage. A dog loves on the level that a child loves its mother, brother loves sister, etc. It is not a romantic type of love.

Nor is there any proof for your claim.

There is, however, proof that the majority of animals are not sentient, and therefore, do not even have the ability to understand that they exist.

You're talking about the legalization of molesting animals.

I'm not talking about sex, I'm talking about love.

An animal can consent to sexual activity, if thats what you want to get into. Sometimes, they try to initiate it. They consent to sex with each other all the time too, and they can't verbally say they want it. Many animals are also naturally monogamous, and would be very upset if their partner left them.

I could also just bring this into chimps and gorillas instead of all other animals, if that makes you more comfortable. They can be taught how to communicate with humans. Koko even says shes going to teach her children to sign.

I have to leave though, so I can't really continue the conversation... :(

I'm not talking about sex, I'm talking about love.

An animal can consent to sexual activity, if thats what you want to get into. Sometimes, they try to initiate it. They consent to sex with each other all the time too, and they can't verbally say they want it. Many animals are also naturally monogamous, and would be very upset if their partner left them.

I could also just bring this into chimps and gorillas instead of all other animals, if that makes you more comfortable. They can be taught how to communicate with humans. Koko even says shes going to teach her children to sign.

I have to leave though, so I can't really continue the conversation... :(
chimps, gorillas, bonobos, orangutans...none of those are monogamous. Particularly the bonobo, who is our closest relative.

and a dog humping your leg =/= consent. It comes closer to masturbation, and has a purely biological drive, not the additional emotional drive that human sex and consent carry.