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Suicide terror for children glorified on Hamas children's web site (http://www.pmw.org.il/Latest%20bulletins%20new.htm#b160306)

Suicide terror for children glorified on Hamas children's web site

By Itamar Marcus and Barbara Crook- March 16, 2006

Suicide terror for children is now being actively promoted on the Hamas children's web site al-fateh.net. The new material posted yesterday is a short fictional story for children, glorifying a young girl's suicide terror attack. It describes how she calmly progresses, step by step, planning and executing her death in a suicide terror attack. The girl heroically leads "Zionist soldiers" to their death, all the while knowing she will be killed along with them. In death she is said to be "smiling, lying on the grass, because she died as a Shahida (Martyr for Allah) for Palestine." The story is entitled "A Palestinian Girl's Heroism."

The illustration with the story on the web shows a young smiling girl with four candles. The image of a living, smiling child in a story about the death of a child appears to echo a familiar message in PA children's education, that those who die as Shahids (Martyrs for Allah) are not really dead. (Click here to see PA TV broadcasts of Shahada promotion for children.)

The Jerusalem Post reports today on Hamas's attempt to deny responsibility for this and other web sites administered from its Beirut office. The Jerusalem Post article is reprinted below, following the translation of the short story from the web site. It should be noted that after PMW publicized that the Hamas children's website was encouraging children to seek martyrdom, the Russian server (CORBINA TELECOM Network Operations) immediately closed down the website on March 9, 2006. However, the site reopened a couple of days later and is now being hosted by a Malaysian webhoster (Eastgate;Telekom Multimedia of Telekom Malaysia Berhad;Telekom Exchange II, Jalan Lingkaran Fauna).

The following is the new short story on the web site:

A Palestinian Girl's Heroism

"Suad, the bright Palestinian girl, remembered what the Zionist criminals did, when they killed her father and mother.

One day while Suad was walking, she heard a voice from the trees. She turned and saw three men planting land-mines on the road leading to the Zionist camp.

Suad kept on walking. After a while, she saw a car with some Zionists, and an idea popped into her mind. She walked to the officer who was in the car, and told him: "I'll lead you to Palestinian Fida'yon (literally: self sacrificing fighters) in return for food, because I am hungry".

The officer was afraid of the Fida'yon's reputation, and didn't believe what Suad told him. He then said to his soldiers: "Take her to the camp so we will clarify her story".

In the camp, the soldiers brought food to Suad, so she would lead them to the Fida'yon. She told them: "Before I taste any food, I must lead you to the Fida'yon".

The officer was very happy and told his soldiers: "Let's go fast".

On the way, Suad got ready to carry out her plan. She decided to cause the car to ride over the land-mines, so that all of the soldiers would die.

Suad sat next to the driver, to direct him, and she led him to the land-mines. Then the [car] blew-up and all of the soldiers were killed. As for Suad, well she became a Shahida (Martyr for Allah) on the grass, while smiling, because she died as a Shahida for Palestine".
[Al-Fateh - Hamas Website, March 15, 2006].

A link to the Hamas website is provided in the article itself if anyone wants to check out the child terror recrutment, although it is in Arabic. As it turns out, Hamas has denied that it has any official website, regardless of the fact that this "unofficial" website is run and sponsored by Hamas. Nor is this the only place on the website where children are recruited for terror, poems, cartoons, etc. also exist on the website, as this article (http://www.pmw.org.il/Latest%20bulletins%20new.htm#b070306) comments on (and links to on the website itself), in addition to weekly photos of the "Shaheed of the week." For those that don't know, a shaheed is a 'martyr' in this respect. Someone who did something like, say, blew up a bus full of Jewish schoolchildren along with themselves.

Just thought I'd point it out, since this isn't the type of thing that gets a lot of play in Western media.

Won't anyone just think of the children?!

Just thought I'd point it out, since this isn't the type of thing that gets a lot of play in Western media.
You're just a racist xenophobe who hates all brown skins.


ok, I don't think that, I just wanted to be the first because someone else will.

This is sick. Just remember that the actions of a few Palestinians are not the actions of the whole.

This is sick. Just remember that the actions of a few Palestinians are not the actions of the whole.

I agree. However, these are the actions and policies of Hamas, a group which was democratically elected by Palestinians and is part of the current Palestinian leadership. That does say something about overall Palestinian sentiment in general.

And on the other hand, Palestinian leadership has a long, long history of working in opposition to Palestinian wishes and the best interest of the Palestinian people. Such as Arafat's "crimes against the Palestinian people" by refusing a state, to quote then Prince Abdullah.

This is nothing new:

http://memritv.org/Search.asp?ACT=S5&P1=146

Twisted really. If its true. Hamas being a regretably conservative organisation, I find it rather strange that they feature a girl in such activity.

Not much of a comic either...its fairly easy to guess whats going to happen in the end.

Twisted really. If its true. Hamas being a regretably conservative organisation, I find it rather strange that they feature a girl in such activity.

You must not know much about Hamas and their suicide policy. Either that or you're going out of your way to make excuses for suicide attacks, again. You do know who Ahmed Yassin is, right? One of the founders of Hamas.

Yassin explictly endorsed female suicide bombings, for example:

Mother of two becomes the first female suicide bomber for Hamas (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=383183&contrassID=1&subContrassID=5&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y)

Half an hour after mother-of-two Reem Riashi - the first female suicide to come from Hamas, the seventh female suicide bomber of the current intifada, and the first female suicide bomber to come from Gaza - carried out the attack at the Erez crossing, Hamas leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin told reporters that "jihad [holy war] is an imperative for Muslim men and women."

Yassin said, "The fact that a woman took part for the first time in a Hamas operation marks a significant evolution for the Iz a Din al-Kassam brigades. The male fighters face many obstacles on their way to operations, and this is a new development in our fight against the enemy. The holy war is an imperative for all Muslim men and women; and this operation proves that the armed resistance will continue until the enemy is driven from our land. This is revenge for all the fatalities sustained by the armed resistance."

I believe there is a bunch of computer games too.

http://www.qantara.de/webcom/show_article.php/_c-478/_nr-310/i.html

Well, they are a terrorist group. What do you expect?

Suicide terror for children glorified on Hamas children's web site (http://www.pmw.org.il/Latest%20bulletins%20new.htm#b160306)



A link to the Hamas website is provided in the article itself if anyone wants to check out the child terror recrutment, although it is in Arabic. As it turns out, Hamas has denied that it has any official website, regardless of the fact that this "unofficial" website is run and sponsored by Hamas. Nor is this the only place on the website where children are recruited for terror, poems, cartoons, etc. also exist on the website, as this article (http://www.pmw.org.il/Latest%20bulletins%20new.htm#b070306) comments on (and links to on the website itself), in addition to weekly photos of the "Shaheed of the week." For those that don't know, a shaheed is a 'martyr' in this respect. Someone who did something like, say, blew up a bus full of Jewish schoolchildren along with themselves.

Just thought I'd point it out, since this isn't the type of thing that gets a lot of play in Western media.
Run and sponsored by HAMAS? It's the fucking internet, it could be run by Britney Fuckin' Spears and you wouldn't know it.

Run and sponsored by HAMAS? It's the fucking internet, it could be run by Britney Fuckin' Spears and you wouldn't know it.

Well yes, it is the Hamas website. But I guess you leave open the possibility that no website is actually run by who it says it is. Even say, the CIA World Factbook site could be run by al-Qaeda, or Britney Spears. So do you leave open the possibility that every website on the internet is a big fraud, or is this just a standard that you use when it comes to Hamas?

As a side note, Hamas has claimed the website, aside from saying that it is not their official website. But hey, I guess that could be part of the big conspiracy too, right?

In a situation like this, i think it is inapropiate to sympathise with hamas.

In a situation like this, i think it is inapropiate to sympathise with hamas.

It's NEVER appropriate to sympathise with Hamas.

It's NEVER appropriate to sympathise with Hamas.

Tell that to some of the people on this forum.

I agree. However, these are the actions and policies of Hamas, a group which was democratically elected by Palestinians and is part of the current Palestinian leadership. That does say something about overall Palestinian sentiment in general.

And on the other hand, Palestinian leadership has a long, long history of working in opposition to Palestinian wishes and the best interest of the Palestinian people. Such as Arafat's "crimes against the Palestinian people" by refusing a state, to quote then Prince Abdullah.

well lets split this apart.

Hamas was elected not because its a terrorist organisation, but because its an islamic organisation. not because it follows shari'a law, but because you can trust a religious organisation (you wouldnt question where your tithe goes.) Fatah was strick ridden with corruption, I am sure most palestinians agree with Fatahs policies, but because of the fact that it is so corrupt, people turned to the alternative.

Its funny, people always talk about how there should be more democracy in arab countries, and when there is, they use it to demonise arab countries, way to support democracy in the middle east.

The camp david agreement of 2000 was a joke, during the negotiations barak said he will never give up east jerusalem, so arafat did not bother with asking for it, because barak already said no. if he chose to give east jerusalem, a deal wouldve happened. watever king abdullah says isnt realvent really, at the end of the day hes the leader of jordan and whatever he says is in the interests of the people of jordan, precisely a peace treaty with israel and good ties with the west.

PS there are many things that are not shown on western media that the Israeli Defence Forces (i use defence lightly there) commit against Palestinians, I have to go to bed so I wont list them now, however I am sure we've all heard of at least one incident.

It's NEVER appropriate to sympathise with Hamas.

Its always right to sympathise with people, period. You may not agree with there actions, And btw i don't, i'm completely non-violence, but remember what is driving them,

"Suad, the bright Palestinian girl, remembered what the Zionist criminals did, when they killed her father and mother." (as quoted in the story above)

it is the contiuned killing that fuels the whole situation and that is why we must meet at the human level. (ie sympathie for their suffering)

Its funny, people always talk about how there should be more democracy in arab countries, and when there is, they use it to demonise arab countries, way to support democracy in the middle east.

In the home of democracy, ancient Greece, the greatest philosophers (Plato, for example) realized that democracy would only work with an educated and informed population. Palestinians, and most Middle Eastern Arabs as a demographic, are vastly uneducated, and thus they elected a terrorist group. Democracy is a good thing for the Middle East, but Arabs will have to grow into it.

The camp david agreement of 2000 was a joke, during the negotiations barak said he will never give up east jerusalem, so arafat did not bother with asking for it, because barak already said no. if he chose to give east jerusalem, a deal wouldve happened. watever king abdullah says isnt realvent really, at the end of the day h

es the leader of jordan and whatever he says is in the interests of the people of jordan, precisely a peace treaty with israel and good ties with the west.

Virtually the entire Arab world disagrees with you. As I stated, then Prince Abdullah told Arafat that it was a "crime against the Palestinian people" and a "crime against the whole region." Arafat didn't reject it because the deal was unacceptable due to East Jersualem, Arafat rejected it because he rejected a two-state solution completely, according to his own words:

"The Land of Muslim Palestine is a single unti which cannot be divided."

"No one has the right to divide it or give up any of it. The liberation of Palestine is obligatory for the Islamic nations and not only for the Palestinian nation."

"All Palestine is Islamic land...The Jews uspried it...There can be no compromise on Islamic land."

But, as I stated, the entire Arab world supported the deal. Vocal support was given from Honsi Mubarak (then President of Egypt), then Prince Abdulla of Saudi Arabia, King Abdullah II of Jordan, the king of Morocoo, Muhammad IV, and president Zine ben Ali of Tunisia. Not to mention the fact that Clinton, and the lead negotiator Dennis Ross, all supported it. And, as I'd love to remind you, Prince Abudllah had a big falling out with Arafat over this, calling him a criminal for rejecting it.

Just to end this response on this topic with a few quotes from another Arab leader who accepted Camp David and oppossed Arafat on this issue, Prince Bandar of Saudi Arabia:

"I hope you remember, sir, what I told you. If we lose this opportunity, it is going to be a crime."

"[This was] a crime agianst the Palestinians - in fact, against the entire region."

PS there are many things that are not shown on western media that the Israeli Defence Forces (i use defence lightly there) commit against Palestinians, I have to go to bed so I wont list them now, however I am sure we've all heard of at least one incident.

I'm sure there are. However, there have been more intentional killings of Israeli citizens by Palestinians than intentional killing of Palestinian citizens by Israelis. More innocent Israelis have died in the conflict than innocent Palestinians, and that is a statistical fact (From Alan Dershowitz):

"For many, the bare arithmetic was enough: more Palestinians than Israelis were dead, and that fact alone proved that Israel was the villain. Ignored was the fact that although "only" 810 Israelis were killed (as of June 2003), Palestinian terrorists had attempted to kill thousands more and had failed only because Israeli authorities had thwarted about 80 percent of the attemped terrorist attacks. Ignored also was the fact that among the 2,000 or so Palestinians killed were hundreds of suicide bombers, bomb makers, bomb throwers, terrorism commanders, and even allged collaborators who were killed by other Palestinians. When only innocent civilians are counted, significantly more Israelis than Palestinians have been killed."

"Indeed, Israel has killed fewer innocent Palestinian civilians during the decades it has been fighting terrorism than any other nation in history facing comparable violence."

"Palestinians count the suicide bombers themselves as victims and ignore the large number of foiled and prevented terrorist attacks against Israelis."

"Some Palestinian spokespersons count among the Palestinian dead some or all of the following: the suicide bombers themselves; armed Palestinian fighters; leaders of terrorist groups...terrorist shot in self-defense whle planting or throwing bombgs; bomb-makers...even people who have died as a result of the absurd and dangerous practice of shooting live ammunition in the air at Palestinian funerals and protests."

"Between September 2000 and August 2002, approximately 14,000 attacks hav ebeen made against the life, person, and property of innocent Israeli citizens and residents"

"Even with all of these distortions and exaggerations, the actual number of innocent Palestinian civilians killed by Israelis is considerably lower than the number of innocent Israelis killed by Palestinians. The vast majority of Palestinians who were killed were directly involved in terrorist activity."

Now, pay close attention, I'll finally give you the hard, cold stats. Keep in mind 810 innocent Israeli civilians were killed as a result of Palestinian terror. Stats are from the Boston Globe:

"18 percent of the nearly 2,000 Palestinins killed by Israeli forces since the uprising began in Septermber 200 were civilians with no connection to acts of terror. This comes to approximately 360 innocent civilians killed in the course of legitimate self-defense."

So, in short, almost three times as many innocent Israelis have been murdered by Palestinians than innocent Palestinians as a result of even accidental collateral damage.

Just wanted to put the facts into perspective. Because there are near three times as many innocent Israelis killed by Palestinians, if anything we should hear about Palestinian terror three times as frequently in Western media as we do about the IDF. Not to mention the fact that the IDF is not guilty of the vile, heinous types of offenses as, say, making comic books to lure children into becoming suicide bombers.

Its always right to sympathise with people, period. You may not agree with there actions, And btw i don't, i'm completely non-violence, but remember what is driving them,

"Suad, the bright Palestinian girl, remembered what the Zionist criminals did, when they killed her father and mother." (as quoted in the story above)

it is the contiuned killing that fuels the whole situation and that is why we must meet at the human level. (ie sympathie for their suffering)

In case you forgot, this was a fictional story. It was a comic developed to lure children to become suicide bombers. There are no historical "Zionist criminals" to correspond to a suicide bomber named Saud, so its absurd to attempt to justify the anti-Semitic sentiment that these comics stir among Palestinians by using the very comics themselves as justification. Its really quite circular.

Its also absurd to attempt to justify or excuse violent actions against one party in revenge. It comes down to the 'two wrongs make a right' fallacy. As someone who claims to be non-violence, you should be well aware of that.

I don't think many people in most countries would retaliate against oppression by way of violence, and definately not by way of suicide bombing, to begin with. These aren't direct results of what is happening to Palestine, they are direct results of a terror culture. In places where equal oppression occurs, or has occured in the past (India, South Africa, etc.) we have not seen the types of violence that we see from Palestinians, because they lacked terror as part of their culture. In the same respect, in places that have developed terror as a culture (Sri Lanka, etc.), we see heinous terror acts at the slightest provocation. In summary, the fact that terror is not a universal response means that it can't be logically concluded as the result from any outside force.

This is sick. Just remember that the actions of a few Palestinians are not the actions of the whole.
Let's see - how many people voted for Hamas and its ideals?

That's more than a few Palestinians...

Tropical Sands, you nailed this subject right 'n hard. Thank you.

Let's see - how many people voted for Hamas and its ideals?

That's more than a few Palestinians...

Fatah was wiped off the map by that election.

Tropical Sands

It appears we agree!!

Please don't take what i said as jutifying the cartoons or for that fact any of their actions. They are a sick twisted manilulation of a very terrified nation.

I just wanted to make the point that to see a real solution to these long standing, as you put "terror cultures", (good phrase btw) we need to see the human situation. Hence my mention of sympathy.

And one mor epoint just while i'm typing. I really am non-violnce!! And befor anyone asks, no i don't know how i'd react if some one came at me with a knife but i might hit them!!

I just wanted to make the point that to see a real solution to these long standing, as you put "terror cultures", (good phrase btw) we need to see the human situation. Hence my mention of sympathy.

Yes, I agree. There is a new trend among Isreali humanitarian groups that attempts to 'bridge the gap' so to speak between Israeli and Palestinian culture, so that each side is more able to see the human aspect and have sympathy for one another. A lot of it has to do with getting them together when they are kids too, rather than when they become dogmatic old men. I hope it works out, it seems like it has potential. That and the settlement of two states could do wonders.

tell me a bit more about the site you sourced this story and what their goals are? :rolleyes:

In the home of democracy, ancient Greece, the greatest philosophers (Plato, for example) realized that democracy would only work with an educated and informed population. Palestinians, and most Middle Eastern Arabs as a demographic, are vastly uneducated, and thus they elected a terrorist group. Democracy is a good thing for the Middle East, but Arabs will have to grow into it..

Unmasked at last, and what an ugly sight it is too.......


I'm sure there are. However, there have been more intentional killings of Israeli citizens by Palestinians than intentional killing of Palestinian citizens by Israelis. More innocent Israelis have died in the conflict than innocent Palestinians, and that is a statistical fact (From Alan Dershowitz):..

Wasn't that book Dershowitz plagarised full of dodgy maths as well?

this is gay

This is sick. Just remember that the actions of a few Palestinians are not the actions of the whole.
Except the majority hates Jews.

Except the majority hates Jews.
I think the majority just want to get on with their lives.

I think the majority just want to get on with their lives.
While that's true, it's also true that most of them hate Jews.

It won't be enough to come to a political settlement between the two states.

It will take several generations of education to thoroughly wipe the ugly stuff out of childrens' heads.

While that's true, it's also true that most of them hate Jews.
*shrug*
Just an emotion. So long as they don't manifest it into physical violence, they can hate all they like.


It won't be enough to come to a political settlement between the two states.

It will take several generations of education to thoroughly wipe the ugly stuff out of childrens' heads.

Wow, maybe they're not evil after all :eek:

*shrug*
Just an emotion. So long as they don't manifest it into physical violence, they can hate all they like.

Wow, maybe they're not evil after all :eek:

No, but they are committing thoughtcrime.

Thoughts lead to actions. If you can educate their children in isolation from their previous generations, you can wipe out a lot of hate.

More expensive and time-consuming than nuking the whole place into a glass slab, but probably more appealing to everyone concerned.

What a shocker! Other groups than yours use propaganda. The earth must have stopped spinning.

the palestians dont hate jews because of their race, they hate the people who drove them off their land and whose military they have to try and deal with on a daily basis. they just happen to be jewish.

there was precious little conflict between the two until irgun and the stern gang started ethically cleansing the locals in 47/48

I don't think many people in most countries would retaliate against oppression by way of violence, and definately not by way of suicide bombing, to begin with. .

Would you ever fuck off with yourself. When the Israelis were trying to put out the British they machine-gunned them sitting in restaurants. What do you think the Jewish partisans in the east did against the Germans? What did the Serbs do against the Germans? Or the Finns against the Russians, the Spanish against the French, the Irish against the English? You really are disengenous - to a laughable extent


These aren't direct results of what is happening to Palestine, they are direct results of a terror culture. In places where equal oppression occurs, or has occured in the past (India, South Africa, etc.) we have not seen the types of violence that we see from Palestinians, because they lacked terror as part of their culture..

Bollocks. You don't remember Winnie Mandela backing police informers being killed by being "necklaced" (burning tires hung around their necks)?. The ANC werent a knitting circle either.

And Gandhis efforts took place against a background of unrest and violence - against his wishes but present nevertheless.

the palestians dont hate jews because of their race, they hate the people who drove them off their land and whose military they have to try and deal with on a daily basis. they just happen to be jewish.

there was precious little conflict between the two until irgun and the stern gang started ethically cleansing the locals in 47/48

Well thats not entirely correct, but its true to say that it was nowhere near the scale of venom that entered into things after 1947/48. Thats why a two-state option is the only one possible - neither can be trusted with each other.