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Report: Some Marine Officers Gave False Testimony About Haditha Incident (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,197755,00.html)

After all, the casualties were just dirty brown-skinned Muslim terrorist suicide bombers and they're dying on purpose to damage troop morale and make America look bad.

Report: Some Marine Officers Gave False Testimony About Haditha Incident (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,197755,00.html)

After all, the casualties were just dirty brown-skinned Muslim terrorist suicide bombers and they're dying on purpose to damage troop morale and make America look bad.
Dude, don't say anything conservative on this forum or the liberals will massacre you(no pun intended). I learned that the hard way.

dude...... i really really hope you're being sarcastic...

dude...... i really really hope you're being sarcastic...
No, the raghead terrorists are slandering the soldiers. The honorable and god-fearing officers were just defending the honor of the victims.

Dude, don't say anything conservative on this forum or the liberals will massacre you(no pun intended). I learned that the hard way.

Um, you didn't read the story or recognize the sarcasm did you? You just looked at the headline and knee-jerked.

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! Way to live up to the standards of the uber-conservative caricature that you are.

What a tool.

Um, you didn't read the story or recognize the sarcasm did you? You just looked at the headline and knee-jerked.

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! Way to live up to the standards of the uber-conservative charicature that you are.

What a tool.
I think he was being sarcastic. Either that or I'm losing my marbles.

Um, you didn't read the story or recognize the sarcasm did you? You just looked at the headline and knee-jerked.

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! Way to live up to the standards of the uber-conservative caricature that you are.

What a tool.

Well I didn't want the vibes of angry liberals to kill him.

Oh, and conservatives rule. Don't forget that.

dude...... i really really hope you're being sarcastic...

Gauthier is, Holy Paradise isn't.

I think he was being sarcastic. Either that or I'm losing my marbles.
Hey, I found these lying about...

Oh...

Nevermind.

Murderers kill people. Soldiers kill people.

Gauthier is, Holy Paradise isn't.
Neither is HP.

Gauthier is, Holy Paradise isn't.
Are you sure?

Report: Some Marine Officers Gave False Testimony About Haditha Incident (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,197755,00.html)

After all, the casualties were just dirty brown-skinned Muslim terrorist suicide bombers and they're dying on purpose to damage troop morale and make America look bad.
Shame on them. The UCMJ has a way of dealing with liars. Especially liars that are officers.

Considering they are made officers by an act of Congress, one may be led to wonder why we should expect any different behavior from them that we do from our Congressmen.

Well I didn't want the vibes of angry liberals to kill him.

Oh, and conservatives rule. Don't forget that.

And why would angry liberals kill him? Oh, that's right, you don't actually read the articles or pick up on sarcasm, and now you're trying to play it off as if YOUR stance was sarcastic to begin with as well.

EDIT: Okay, I may be mistaken, but you've played the conservative stooge so well for a while now...Damn, I hate being hung up on my own pitard.

So I owe you an apology, HP.

This is all just part of the Gay Conspiracy.

Murderers kill people. Soldiers kill people.
Murders are people. Soldiers are people. Doctors are people. Lawyers are people. Politicians.......well

Soldiers are state-sanctioned murderers.
They're also usually much more effective at it than civilian murderers thanks to superior equipment and training.

Still, much as I'd wish otherwise, soldiers are nessecary.

*kind of off topic, but I wish hunting of prisoners was legal....

Rack 'em up...

Soldiers are state-sanctioned murderers.
They're also usually much more effective at it than civilian murderers thanks to superior equipment and training.

Still, much as I'd wish otherwise, soldiers are nessecary.
If they are state sanctioned how can they be murders?

Killers maybe but murders?

And why would angry liberals kill him? Oh, that's right, you don't actually read the articles or pick up on sarcasm, and now you're trying to play it off as if YOUR stance was sarcastic to begin with as well.

EDIT: Okay, I may be mistaken, but you've played the conservative stooge so well for a while now...Damn, I hate being hung up on my own pitard.

So I owe you an apology, HP.
Apology accepted. :)
Oh, I'm a conservative, but yes, I was using sarcasm.

*kind of off topic, but I wish hunting of prisoners was legal....
It's really not hard to hunt down a prisoner...

On the subject of the way the Bush Administration is handling the military, the fact that all veterans running for Congress and many Generals, retired and current, are Democrat is a damn good indication.

Republican, Democrat, meh. They're all conservatives.

Republican, Democrat, meh. They're all conservatives.
Correction, they are all liberals.

Correction, they are all liberals.
Only to Ed Anger of the Weekly World News...

Greetings, Ed.

hunting prisoners isn't easy!! implant a tracking system into him so he doesn't get lost, then let him free in a city for 1 week. Sounds like a fun hunt to me!!!:sniper:

Correction, they are all liberals.
You wish.
http://www.angelfire.com/rebellion/oldwhig4ever/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberalism/
http://www.mises.org/liberal.asp

You wish.
http://www.angelfire.com/rebellion/oldwhig4ever/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberalism/
http://www.mises.org/liberal.asp
Its becoming that way, trust me.

hunting prisoners isn't easy!! implant a tracking system into him so he doesn't get lost, then let him free in a city for 1 week. Sounds like a fun hunt to me!!!:sniper:
I think I'll just wait for the movie.

Its becoming that way, trust me.
Something tells me you haven't bothered clicking any of the links...

Its becoming that way, trust me.

I thought the Religious Right conservatives, or at least those who pose at them, were currently in command of the Republican Party. The only way the Republicans could become liberal is if the Republitarian faction took control/

Anyway, I dislike both parties but I'd take a Democrat to a Republican in this or the past few decades. What can I say? I'm a liberal, I admit it.

I thought the Religious Right conservatives, or at least those who pose at them, were currently in command of the Republican Party. The only way the Republicans could become liberal is if the Republitarian faction took control/

Anyway, I dislike both parties but I'd take a Democrat to a Republican in this or the past few decades. What can I say? I'm a liberal, I admit it.

Being liberal is a good thing, by definition.

What can I say? I'm a liberal, I admit it.
Too bad there's no room in the American political spectrum for a party that actually represents the views you espouse, then isn't it?

Correction, they are all liberals.

Do you enjoy your chosen profession as a rocket scientist?

Yeah and Fox News is the epitome of truthful media......

Yeah and Fox News is the epitome of truthful media......
Ever hear someone use that word and pronounce it 'eppy-tome' (like to make it rhyme with Rome)? Just thought I'd mention it, as it bugs the shit out of me, not unlike Faux News.

Ever hear someone use that word and pronounce it 'eppy-tome' (like to make it rhyme with Rome)? Just thought I'd mention it, as it bugs the shit out of me, not unlike Faux News.

Oh come on we have all done it. ;)

Well technically I never pronounced it that way, but I thought it was the first time I saw the word. Good thing I educated myself before I had to say it in public.

Murderers kill people. Soldiers kill people.

Soldiers-Good
Murderers-bad



Semper FI

Semper FI
FI for Fantasists Incorporated, no doubt. What a boondoggle you militarists enjoy.

FI for Fantasists Incorporated, no doubt. What a boondoggle you militarists enjoy.

I think most Marines could fight there way out of a paperbag. Unlike some......:rolleyes:

I think most Marines could fight there way out of a paperbag. Unlike some......:rolleyes:
Perhaps, but could even a few of them think their way out of one? Or use the word 'there' correctly?

Being liberal is a good thing, by definition.

As defined by liberals. Conservative is a good thing too. Of course depending on who your asking.

Perhaps, but could even a few of them think their way out of one? Or use the word 'there' correctly?

I think Sir Lawrence Olivier said it best when he said, "Oh snap!"

Perhaps, but could even a few of them think their way out of one? Or use the word 'there' correctly?

Ah yes a spelling Nazi. We all love them. Wasn't in the Marine's by the way. I am sure I can run circles around you in more ways than a few.

As defined by liberals. Conservative is a good thing too. Of course depending on who your asking.

As defined by the dictionary, actually.

This is all just part of the Gay Conspiracy.
We're everywhere. We're stealthy. We're dangerous.

But, worse of everything, we're STYLISH! Fear us!:p

I am sure I can run circles around you in more ways than a few.
Go for it.

Ah yes a spelling Nazi. We all love them. Wasn't in the Marine's by the way. I am sure I can run circles around you in more ways than a few.

The proper use of an apostrophe eludes you as well.

The proper use of an apostrophe eludes you as well.

As I said before......

As I said before......
Your earlier statement was about spelling not grammar.

As I said before......
So where are these rings you're supposedly running 'round me, then? Are they printed on a cutely racist t-shirt or something?

Your earlier statement was about spelling not grammar.

Was in reference to the latter part of the statement. So it still applies. Thanks for trying to be on top of things.

So where are these rings you're supposedly running 'round me, then? Are they printed on a cutely racist t-shirt or something?


In life in general. I am confident in that.

In life in general. I am confident in that.
Confidence isn't a surety.

So where are these rings you're supposedly running 'round me, then? Are they printed on a cutely racist t-shirt or something?


Also funny you are calling me a racist for making fun of Canadians. All the while you go on anti-American rants. Now that is cute.

STATE SANCTIONED MURDERERS!?! What is this? What is the problem with some people... If it pans out that these officers WERE in fact lieing.. they will get court marshalled... and trust me in the military it doesn't matter who you are if you are guilty.

And i am a marine.. do i sound like an idiot??... some of you sound so dumb...

Do you get off on coming on here and trashing the people who keep you away from combat... Out of reach, more or less, of these people...

We go out there and risk our lives so that you can have your precious "free speech" only for us to come home and have to hear this... this is how you repay us and our sacrifices... By calling us state sanctioned murderers

yes a horrible thing was done. But to generalize and say that all Marines are murderers... cold blooded murderers isn't that a little overboard. yes a few people May have screwed up ... Big time.. horribly ... but trust me those men will never regain the respect of any present, past, or future soldier.

So before you go around calling us idiots, or murderers for that matter.. think about who you are refering to ... the few people who commit these atrocities.. or the mass majority of the honorable men and women who fight to keep you alive....

And free.

Oh and may i add...
SEMPER FIDELIS
ALWAYS FAITHFUL

Confidence isn't a surety.

I am very confident in this particular case.

All the while you go on anti-American rants. Now that is cute.
Nah... I hardly ever go on anti-American rants these days. I was just pointing out that in America, you have two conservative parties, and that it's a shame that liberals in America don't actually have anyone to represent their own particular point-of-view.

Also, we're tilting at each other on two seperate threads right now, which is tending to muddy the waters somewhat.

I am very confident in this particular case.
Well fine - but for all your confidence, you could still be quite mistaken.

Well fine - but for all your confidence, you could still be quite mistaken.

Nah.... ;) But I still do like how you are up front. That is the one good quality that you display here.

Nah... I hardly ever go on anti-American rants these days. I was just pointing out that in America, you have two conservative parties, and that it's a shame that liberals in America don't actually have anyone to represent their own particular point-of-view.

Also, we're tilting at each other on two seperate threads right now, which is tending to muddy the waters somewhat.


You seriously calling todays Democratic party conservative? I am curious at what you consider liberal? I mean Howard Dean at it's head with Mrs Clinton about to make a run. I would hardly consider that conservative.

This is why we should of entered Iraq long before we did "No reliable figures for the number of Iraqi dissidents and Shia Muslims killed during Hussein's reign, though estimates put the figure between 60,000 and 150,000. (Mass graves discovered following the US occupation of Iraq in 2003 suggest that the total combined figure for Kurds, Shias and dissidents killed could be as high as 300,000). Approximately 500,000 Iraqi children dead because of international trade sanctions introduced following the Gulf War.", (Quoted from http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/hussein.html) When we did enter we did kill Iraqs, but they were part of the IRAQ ARMY. Once we took down the regime was taking down we could put in a non-massmurderer for office. The terriosts were upset because they couldnt have a safe haven to train there skills to kill Westerners, yes Liberals you to are westerners so they will kill you too. We stayed there to DEFEND THE CIVILIANS, and that we are until they get there own trained and equiped army.
To sum this up the army is not a murderer they are there to defend and protect the people of Iraq until they can themselfs. We will then go on to stop anyother place that harbors terrorists.

STATE SANCTIONED MURDERERS!?! What is this? What is the problem with some people... If it pans out that these officers WERE in fact lieing.. they will get court marshalled... and trust me in the military it doesn't matter who you are if you are guilty.

And i am a marine.. do i sound like an idiot??... some of you sound so dumb...

Do you get off on coming on here and trashing the people who keep you away from combat... Out of reach, more or less, of these people...

We go out there and risk our lives so that you can have your precious "free speech" only for us to come home and have to hear this... this is how you repay us and our sacrifices... By calling us state sanctioned murderers

yes a horrible thing was done. But to generalize and say that all Marines are murderers... cold blooded murderers isn't that a little overboard. yes a few people May have screwed up ... Big time.. horribly ... but trust me those men will never regain the respect of any present, past, or future soldier.

So before you go around calling us idiots, or murderers for that matter.. think about who you are refering to ... the few people who commit these atrocities.. or the mass majority of the honorable men and women who fight to keep you alive....

And free.

Oh and may i add...
SEMPER FIDELIS
ALWAYS FAITHFUL
I bet you're sorry you won.

I bet you're sorry you won.


I won?.... Wow .. there is a change
No liberal slander

I won?.... Wow .. there is a change
No liberal slander
Well, that's what your Commander-in-Chief said, right? You won. Stop being such a crybaby about it.

Well, that's what your Commander-in-Chief said, right? You won. Stop being such a crybaby about it.

the war?... hah not by a longshot... but no worries... we are doing all we can right?

You seriously calling todays Democratic party conservative? I am curious at what you consider liberal? I mean Howard Dean at it's head with Mrs Clinton about to make a run. I would hardly consider that conservative.

What makes them so liberal? Or is it just that the bigger the name, the more Republican talking heads screech about how liberal they are?

Dean and Clinton are economic moderates, even within the Democratic party, which is a party primarily consisting of old white men (though not as much as the Republicans,) who derive most of their campaign funding from crusty old party institutions and corporate donations.

This, in contrast to the hype, promises and mudslinging of campaigns, makes them moderate to conservative IN PRACTICE. The problem is that YOU believe the advertising telling how different these corporate bought entities are.

You worry about the inconsequential wedge issues (really, how much effect on YOUR life will gay marriage have?)

It's all bullshit, and the old money crooks in Washington want you to keep eating it up. Enjoy. They're Coke and Pepsi. One may hype their new lime flavor while the other hypes the lemon zing. They never tell you that both are mostly corn syrup and carbonated water.

Report: Some Marine Officers Gave False Testimony About Haditha Incident (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,197755,00.html)

After all, the casualties were just dirty brown-skinned Muslim terrorist suicide bombers and they're dying on purpose to damage troop morale and make America look bad.
Sir, you may as well run into San FranSICO shouting this. This is a LIBERAL forum. I am sorry old friend.

Sir, you may as well run into San FranSICO shouting this. This is a LIBERAL forum. I am sorry old friend.
You are the second one that either is using sarcasm badly or did not recognize the sarcasm of the OP or read the contents.

Nah... I hardly ever go on anti-American rants these days. I was just pointing out that in America, you have two conservative parties, and that it's a shame that liberals in America don't actually have anyone to represent their own particular point-of-view.

Also, we're tilting at each other on two seperate threads right now, which is tending to muddy the waters somewhat.
More like this: The Liberal party, and the MORE Liberal party. Any Liberal, really deep into politics, is a Democrat.

You are the second one that either is using sarcasm badly or did not recognize the sarcasm of the OP or read the contents.
Well, I am Conservative, and I don't sanction what the soldiers did. But, acually, I didn't read the link, no.

More like this: The Liberal party, and the MORE Liberal party. Any Liberal, really deep into politics, is a Democrat.
I believe my response was directed at Marrekech II, not you. And in any event, you're simply gainsaying my opinion. No points scored. Do not pass 'Go'. Do not collect $200.

Well, I am Conservative, and I don't sanction what the soldiers did. But, acually, I didn't read the link, no.
He was using a sarcastic post to highlight both the stupidity of stereotyping Muslims as all terrorists as well as pointing out another failure by the USA’s military (well failure as in scandal)

More like this: The Liberal party, and the MORE Liberal party. Any Liberal, really deep into politics, is a Democrat.

Bwahahahahahahahahaha! That's freaking hilarious. What is conservative to you? Everyone wearing burkhas? Let me guess, you're either very yonug or very old and you live in a VERY conservative part of the country.

Bwahahahahahahahahaha! That's freaking hilarious. What is conservative to you? Everyone wearing burkhas? Let me guess, you're either very yonug or very old and you live in a VERY conservative part of the country.

Just to interject briefly on the issue of how liberal or conservative the Democrats and Republicans are...

There are charts out there that map in a linear fashion political parties all over the world, and political ideologies, as to their relative liberality or conservativism. I'm sure one could be found on google, and they occur in political sci textbooks all the time. In any case, the Democrat and Republican parties are relatively moderate compared to various political parties and ideologies around the world, and on a general spectrum of liberality or conservativism. They only appear 'liberal' or 'conservative' in respect to one another, and judging both from a different frame of reference, such as a more conservative or liberal foreign party, they could easily appear to both be liberal or conservative.

Bwahahahahahahahahaha! That's freaking hilarious. What is conservative to you? Everyone wearing burkhas? Let me guess, you're either very yonug or very old and you live in a VERY conservative part of the country.
Bush's poor dealings with illegals is not Conservative. "No child left behind", is not Conservative. Conservative, what is it exactly *blinks*? Anti-gun control; Pro-life; CRACK DOWN ON TERRORISTS; stop illegal immigration; pro-low tax-rate; anti-welfare and foreign aid; and pro-capital punishment. Now, you don't have to be all of the above to be Conservative, just most of the above.

Just to interject briefly on the issue of how liberal or conservative the Democrats and Republicans are...

There are charts out there that map in a linear fashion political parties all over the world, and political ideologies, as to their relative liberality or conservativism. I'm sure one could be found on google, and they occur in political sci textbooks all the time. In any case, the Democrat and Republican parties are relatively moderate compared to various political parties and ideologies around the world, and on a general spectrum of liberality or conservativism. They only appear 'liberal' or 'conservative' in respect to one another, and judging both from a different frame of reference, such as a more conservative or liberal foreign party, they could easily appear to both be liberal or conservative.
"Yousa point is, well said."

Bush's poor dealings with illegals is not Conservative. "No child left behind", is not Conservative. Conservative, what is it exactly *blinks*? Anti-gun control; Pro-life; CRACK DOWN ON TERRORISTS; stop illegal immigration; pro-low tax-rate; anti-welfare and foreign aid; and pro-capital punishment. Now, you don't have to be all of the above to be Conservative, just most of the above.
Now there's a recipe for unhappiness on a grand scale if ever I did see one.

Bush's poor dealings with illegals is not Conservative. "No child left behind", is not Conservative. Conservative, what is it exactly *blinks*? Anti-gun control; Pro-life; CRACK DOWN ON TERRORISTS; stop illegal immigration; pro-low tax-rate; anti-welfare and foreign aid; and pro-capital punishment. Now, you don't have to be all of the above to be Conservative, just most of the above.

Bush's poor dealing with illegal immigrants is neither Conservative nor Liberal. It's incompetent. No Child Left Behind was a poorly concieved and poorly executed idea whose funding was soon cut below the levels necessary for even the limited good it could possibly do to come about. This is basically liberal advertising, conservaqtive funding, and incompetent administration.

Again, you've bought a shoddy bill of goods as to what Conservative and Liberal are. They are not absolute views on individual issues. They are a political philosophy. You, sir, get your politics from campaign rhetoric, which we all know is bullshit anyway.

I mean, Conservatives have never had a problem with taxes going to the military, right? Being hard on terrorism costs money. Pro-life is laughable, since many "conservatives" have little problem with collateral damage, and conservative groups are fighting a vaccine for a sexually transmitted disease because they fear it might engender promiscuity. That's NOT pro life. Neither is capital punishment pro life. But you believe you're pro life because that's the goods you've been sold by countless hours of advertising and punditry.

Conservatives used to care for the environment. Preserving this country as it is for future generations used to be a conservative ideal. No longer.

Conservatives have no problem, it seems, with welfare in the form of subsidies that go to the already rich. At least none of them are squawking about it. You have no problem with foreign aid, as long as that foreign aid is achieved through the many-times more expensive method of invasion and occupation, it seems. Saying "the world is better off without Saddam Hussein" means those hundreds of billions for the Iraq war have been spent on foreign aid. Training all those Iraqi soldier...it ain't cheap. Are you in favor of taking away that foreign aid? How about the troops we have in Afghanistan still? That's foreign aid.

You definition of Conservative is based entirely on buzzwords and not out of a deeper and thoughtful philosophy. Be conservative, by all means, as long as you can reconcile the inconsistencies and be a more enlightened and thoughtful Conservative. Any society NEEDS the tug or war between traditionalists and progressives, because it is through that political forge that truly good ideas emerge.

The current political atmosphere is no forge, it's a play-doh factory.

I mean, Conservatives have never had a problem with taxes going to the military, right? Being hard on terrorism costs money. Pro-life is laughable, since many "conservatives" have little problem with collateral damage, and conservative groups are fighting a vaccine for a sexually transmitted disease because they fear it might engender promiscuity. That's NOT pro life. Neither is capital punishment pro life. But you believe you're pro life because that's the goods you've been sold by countless hours of advertising and punditry.

The way pro-life was used in this context was to refer, strictly, to the anti-abortion stance. It wasn't used in the sense that it means supportive of life in general.

When a word or term is used in a specific context, and then an argument is made based on an alternate meaning of that word, aside from the context it was used in, is the fallacy of equivocation. Thats what you've done here.

The way pro-life was used in this context was to refer, strictly, to the anti-abortion stance. It wasn't used in the sense that it means supportive of life in general.

When a word or term is used in a specific context, and then an argument is made based on an alternate meaning of that word, aside from the context it was used in, is the fallacy of equivocation. Thats what you've done here.

Using a broad term like "pro life" and applying it to a single issue and then running a campaign on a "culture of life" is the original fallacy of equivocation, because it's designed to paint the opposition as a "culture of death" in all senses, and you know it.

"Pro life" and "culture of life" are also applied to end-of-life issues as well. It's applied to the stem-cell debate.

Y'know, from an outsiders pov, I gottta let you guys inon a little secret about AMerica, one you can't really see from the inside:

IT'S ALL CONSERVATIVE. In Canada, for example, the Democrats have been compared to the Tories up here and they are more conservative. I mean, I hear Democrats and Republicans thanking god left right and center. Ever since the eighties there has been an unaltered military build up which never slows no matter who is in power.

It doesn't matter who is in charge: liberal and conservative is cosmetic in your country: they both just serve the same international agenda.

Lemmie tell ya: I'm Canadian, and you don't know what liberal means.

Using a broad term like "pro life" and applying it to a single issue and then running a campaign on a "culture of life" is the original fallacy of equivocation.

It isn't a broad term. It means almost exlusively anti-abortion. Look the word up in a dictionary, like Miriam-Webster, for example:

Main Entry: pro-life
Pronunciation: (")prO-'lIf
Function: adjective
: ANTIABORTION
- pro-lif·er /-'lI-f&r/ noun

Thats the only definition in that dictionary. The term has come to mean, almost exlusively, anti-abortion.

Although, you're right that what the Republicans do, attempting to apply it to a 'culture of life' based on this single issue could be called equivocation.

Lemmie tell ya: I'm Canadian, and you don't know what liberal means.
They know; they don't care to hear about it from non-Americans. Trust me on this one.

They know; they don't care to hear about it from non-Americans. Trust me on this one.

copy that. man. does anyone know how scary america looks these days? so noble yet so very, very not.

It isn't a broad term. It means almost exlusively anti-abortion. Look the word up in a dictionary, like Miriam-Webster, for example:



Thats the only definition in that dictionary. The term has come to mean, almost exlusively, anti-abortion.

Although, you're right that what the Republicans do, attempting to apply it to a 'culture of life' based on this single issue could be called equivocation.

Can you sit there and tell me the term "pro life" wasn't dreamt up to paint opponents as being for death though?

Can you sit there and tell me the term "pro life" wasn't dreamt up to paint opponents as being for death though?

No, it certainly was. Also because it is a more positive sounding term than anti-abortion, even though it simply means anti-abortion. Its a prime example of what you called 'buzz words.' The Right is notorious for that, because the religious groupies who it appeals to identify with emotionally charged language.

Was in reference to the latter part of the statement. So it still applies. Thanks for trying to be on top of things.
Sentence fragments. That's strike three on English 101. What circle would you like to run around him next? :)

copy that. man. does anyone know how scary america looks these days? so noble yet so very, very not.
Some of us in the US know how scary it looks. In fact, we know how scary it is.

Some of us in the US know how scary it looks. In fact, we know how scary it is.
I'm sure you would be much happier living in Iran.

No, it certainly was. Also because it is a more positive sounding term than anti-abortion, even though it simply means anti-abortion. Its a prime example of what you called 'buzz words.' The Right is notorious for that, because the religious groupies who it appeals to identify with emotionally charged language.
While you are technically correct about the precise meaning of "pro-life," I think your objection to broader use of it is a bit of a quibble, since Gymoor is correct in saying that the right wing is already using it more broadly. This is the way political slogans and buzzwords get used -- kind of like ointment. If it works on one thing, start spreading it on everything else, too, just in case.

I'm sure you would be much happier living in Iran.
Eat me, rightwing bitch.* :)


(*This is the only response that idiotic post of yours requires, DK.)

I'm sure you would be much happier living in Iran.
That’s going the wrong way … more conservative. Why go towards a concentrated version with what makes so much of America scary right now?

That’s going the wrong way … more conservative. Why go towards a concentrated version with what makes so much of America scary right now?
Oh, that's just DK trying to lay the groundwork for one of his "they do it, too/it could be worse" defenses. Feh.

Oh, that's just DK trying to lay the groundwork for one of his "they do it, too/it could be worse" defenses. Feh.
One would think it would be more effective to point out such flaws in countries that “Our side” are looking to for inspiration, rather then pointing out the flaws in a country that is worse, but is also more in common with “Their side”

Oh, that's just DK trying to lay the groundwork for one of his "they do it, too/it could be worse" defenses. Feh.

I don't find anything scary about living in the US.

I'm not a Moslem, and am not anxious to overthrow the government.

I get to carry a firearm everywhere I go, and I'm not even a policeman.

I am well-employed, and have the freedoms in our Constitution.

What, in particular, am I supposed to be "scared" of?

One would think it would be more effective to point out such flaws in countries that “Our side” are looking to for inspiration, rather then pointing out the flaws in a country that is worse, but is also more in common with “Their side”
DK likes to try to paint "His Side" as being All That Stands Between America (cue heavenly choir) And a Fate Worse Than Death (tm). Like Ralphie and his BB gun being the only thing between his "tiny huddled family and insensate evil." (Credit: the movie "A Christmas Story") So I interpreted his dumbass remark to mean that if it wasn't for the rightwingers, I would be wearing a burkha today.

I don't find anything scary about living in the US.
I'm not surprised.

I'm not a Moslem, and am not anxious to overthrow the government.
Bigotry, DK-style.

I get to carry a firearm everywhere I go, and I'm not even a policeman.
Big deal. So could I, if I wanted to.

I am well-employed, and have the freedoms in our Constitution.
Typical "I'm Alright, Jack" attitude. You've got what you want, so what does anyone else have to complain about?

What, in particular, am I supposed to be "scared" of?
Yourself.

I'm sure you would be much happier living in Iran.


When faced with criticism, your type will always point to even worse offenders as if it voids what your dear leaders are doing with your country, rather than face the truth that the USA is far from perfect and needs some serious overhauling.

Oh yes, you can carry a firearm. Great, so how does that help close the ever-widening gap between rich and poor. How does that stop your leaders from being slimey, corrupt, money-grubbing, war-mongering dirt-bags?

WOW! You have a job? Great! That will surely keep those evangelicals from trying to trample on the rights of people because of their sexual orientation. It will most definitely keep the govt. from doing warrantless wiretaps.

Good thing because noone in any other country have any freedoms garaunteed to them, have a job, can carry a gun, or vote.

When faced with criticism, your type will always point to even worse offenders as if it voids what your dear leaders are doing with your country, rather than face the truth that the USA is far from perfect and needs some serious overhauling.

Oh yes, you can carry a firearm. Great, so how does that help close the ever-widening gap between rich and poor. How does that stop your leaders from being slimey, corrupt, money-grubbing, war-mongering dirt-bags?

WOW! You have a job? Great! That will surely keep those evangelicals from trying to trample on the rights of people because of their sexual orientation. It will most definitely keep the govt. from doing warrantless wiretaps.

Good thing because noone in any other country have any freedoms garaunteed to them, have a job, can carry a gun, or vote.


I guess you'll explain how I am a member in a Pentacostal church who is openly bisexual with no problems.

Lemmie tell ya: I'm Canadian, and you don't know what liberal means.

They know; they don't care to hear about it from non-Americans. Trust me on this one.

Some of us don't mind. It's the truth. The Dems are more liberal than the Reps, but in the grand scheme of things, they're both more than moderately conservative.

I do wish we actually had some liberal representation here...

I am well-employed, and have the freedoms in our Constitution.

Interesting that you believe you have them. I feel like they're eroding before my very eyes.

I guess you'll explain how I am a member in a Pentacostal church who is openly bisexual with no problems.

Let me put it another way: If someone has a gripe about living in the USA, is Iran or an Iranian-like state the only other choice or are there places with just as many if not more freedoms and less conservative govt's? Why would you suggest Iran to someone who does not like the corrupt/conservative war-mongering govt that we have in the states? Obviously to suggest that they are worse... so what? How does that illustrate anything about the virtues of the USA?

Let me put it another way: If someone has a gripe about living in the USA, is Iran or an Iranian-like state the only other choice or are there places with just as many if not more freedoms and less conservative govt's? Why would you suggest Iran to someone who does not like the corrupt/conservative war-mongering govt that we have in the states? Obviously to suggest that they are worse... so what? How does that illustrate anything about the virtues of the USA?

Only to suggest that if they hate the US so much, they should try another country. Obviously, in their worldview, any country is much better than the US.

As for those who believe their Constitutional rights are being eroded before their eyes, a lot of right-wing people thought the same thing during the Clinton administration.

Too much tinfoil hat, if you ask me.

Only to suggest that if they hate the US so much, they should try another country. Obviously, in their worldview, any country is much better than the US.

You must be twelve. Only a twelve-year-old thinks this way. I say A is bad. So B-Z must all be better.

In reality: I say A is bad. B-Z could all be worse. That still doesn't make A good.

As for the rest, I'll ignore it because you didn't actually address or refute anything. Just saying that people thought something before, doesn't really address whether or not thinking it then (or now) actually is valid.

Obviously, in their worldview, any country is much better than the US.

That doesnt seem so obvious to me. Someone can complain about the country they live in and not have to mention every other country that is worse.

What, in particular, am I supposed to be "scared" of?


Only immature twats still at their parents teat making believe they understand real life. All surly because they cant keep a part time job at circuit city and it George Bush's fault and their single pair of black jeans is still wet in the wash because mom forgot to put them in dryer like she should have .

Really-aside from internet lashing out, nothing to worry about.

STATE SANCTIONED MURDERERS!?! What is this? What is the problem with some people... If it pans out that these officers WERE in fact lieing.. they will get court marshalled... and trust me in the military it doesn't matter who you are if you are guilty.

And i am a marine.. do i sound like an idiot??... some of you sound so dumb...

Do you get off on coming on here and trashing the people who keep you away from combat... Out of reach, more or less, of these people...

We go out there and risk our lives so that you can have your precious "free speech" only for us to come home and have to hear this... this is how you repay us and our sacrifices... By calling us state sanctioned murderers

yes a horrible thing was done. But to generalize and say that all Marines are murderers... cold blooded murderers isn't that a little overboard. yes a few people May have screwed up ... Big time.. horribly ... but trust me those men will never regain the respect of any present, past, or future soldier.

So before you go around calling us idiots, or murderers for that matter.. think about who you are refering to ... the few people who commit these atrocities.. or the mass majority of the honorable men and women who fight to keep you alive....

And free.

Oh and may i add...
SEMPER FIDELIS
ALWAYS FAITHFUL
Yes, state sanctioned murderers.
And I've been in the military sonny. Don't come and say I don't know what I'm talking about.
Every soldier trained for combat in every country in the world is a state-sanctioned murderer.
I was when I was in the military.

It isn't all a soldier is, but it is part of it.

I think soldiers are nessecary, and I both matured a great deal during, and enjoyed, my military service. That doesn't mean I'm making up any pretty illusions about what I was.
My role wasn't very combat oriented; I was a mechanic/gunner on a small coastal-waters patrol/transport boat, but in the end that doesn't matter.
I was trained to handle my rifle, and the M2 mounted on the boat.
I learned how to move tactically in both marching and comabt manouvers etc, etc.
I was trained to kill my opponents in cold blood, ergo, murder them.

My CO's taught me to obey orders, but not obey blindly. The fact that they insisted that we as soldiers also had to think for ourselves made me trust them, and though I dislike killing, I would have obeyed an order to kill, trusting that it wasn't given without a good reason.
Unless it was obviously wrong ("I just obeyed orders" is not an excuse to committ atrocities, just as ignorance of the law isn't an excuse for committing a crime).


So you see, Frutap, my post was not aimed at any soldiers specifically. It doesn't matter what country the soldier is from.
If the soldiers in question commit atrocities they should be punished, but that wasn't the point of my post.
I know full well that soldiers are the thin red line that allows a lot of people to stay free, and I admire them for it.

I also think the military service is good for people, because they will learn how to cooperate, disregard differences between people (only performance matters), and learn a lot about themselves.

It doesn't change anything. Soldiers are state-sanctioned murderers. It's what we are trained for. Calling it something else is just hipocricy in my opinion.

A senior officer said the case could undermine Iraqis' support for the presence of American troops.

what iraqi support, last i heard they hated american troops

*kind of off topic, but I wish hunting of prisoners was legal....

like the running man?

Only immature twats still at their parents teat making believe they understand real life. All surly because they cant keep a part time job at circuit city and it George Bush's fault and their single pair of black jeans is still wet in the wash because mom forgot to put them in dryer like she should have .

Really-aside from internet lashing out, nothing to worry about.

...

Oy vey.

Well, I just think the real issue here is simply that, right now, the Republicans are pandering heavily to the far right, and the Democrats feel that in order to get back into power they have to become conservative themselves.
However, with everyone complaining about how "we have no liberal representation" in America, all you have to do is find a third party and register under them. However, none of you will because you feel that registering under them is pointless. I have the same reasoning, I should have registered as a libertarian but PA doesn't allow voting in primaries unless you are of the two major parties. So i had to make a choice. I'm hypocrite, all well.

what iraqi support, last i heard they hated american troops
No they dont you Libs always point to the insurgents and say they are the "Iraqs". The Iraqs are the people who were murdered and killed infront of there familys by there so called "Leader". The screaming crowds that were praising Osama were the minority and were afraid that if Osama was gone they couldnt live luxuries live living of the losses of the Shia.
http://www.etalkinghead.com/archives/the-choice-of-the-iraqi-subminority-2004-04-06.html

To the Canadian, I do not care how Liberal you people are we Americans have are way of doing politics and dont give a damn what you think, except maby the anti-American libs.

To cover the pro-life debate, words do change meaning and we should expect words to be used for other meanings. If you want we can make a words for the meaning and waste time.

Only to suggest that if they hate the US so much, they should try another country. Obviously, in their worldview, any country is much better than the US.

As for those who believe their Constitutional rights are being eroded before their eyes, a lot of right-wing people thought the same thing during the Clinton administration.

Too much tinfoil hat, if you ask me.

Pointing out flaws does not equate to hate. Only deeply insecure people feel that way, so logically, you are deeply insecure about America. If people who saw flaws in their country just moved elsewhere, WE WOULD NEVER HAVE HAD THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR, you thickheaded dweeb.

Only immature twats still at their parents teat making believe they understand real life. All surly because they cant keep a part time job at circuit city and it George Bush's fault and their single pair of black jeans is still wet in the wash because mom forgot to put them in dryer like she should have .

I KNEW I forgot something!

Lemmie tell ya: I'm Canadian, and you don't know what liberal means.

Some of us do. Here's my party: http://www.peaceandfreedom.org/

Although I have been known to vote green (also awesome) or democrat (if I must), depending on the situation.

To the Canadian, I do not care how Liberal you people are we Americans have are way of doing politics and dont give a damn what you think, except maby the anti-American libs.
Which is precisely why America has so many troubles...

Yup....The United States just isn't too united anymore.....

Yup....The United States just isn't too united anymore.....
The fraying edges are turning into full-blown runs, and in just one-and-a-half Presidential terms, the mere twinkling of an eye. You just know something, somewhere's gotta give eventually.

No they dont you Libs always point to the insurgents and say they are the "Iraqs". The Iraqs are the people who were murdered and killed infront of there familys by there so called "Leader". The screaming crowds that were praising Osama were the minority and were afraid that if Osama was gone they couldnt live luxuries live living of the losses of the Shia.
Holy Shit!

Am I reading this right? Does this guy really think Osama Bin Laden was in charge of Iraq?

except maby the anti-American libs.

All the heretics I have known have been virtuous men. - Benjamin Franklin

I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it. - Thomas Jefferson

So are some of the founding fathers of the United States anti-American all of a sudden? No. That means that I can say quite easily that YOU are, in fact, anti-American and a traitor, not the liberals. I can but I won't. I have too much dignity to stoop down to Ann Coulter's level.

The only question I have is whether this crime will be fully prosecuted or if it will be whitewashed. Given that this atrocity was ignored for months makes me very suspicious.

The only question I have is whether this crime will be fully prosecuted or if it will be whitewashed. Given that this atrocity was ignored for months makes me very suspicious.

Don't be surprised if it turns into another example of Brass Fly, Grunts Fry.

Only to suggest that if they hate the US so much, they should try another country. Obviously, in their worldview, any country is much better than the US.
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This is typical of you and your ilk. Anyone who doesn't fall in line with your rightwing "my country right or wrong" wank-fest you denounce as hating the US. Pathetic.

I'm exercising my freedom of speech, DK, which I have thanks to the Revolution you are betraying. Learn to cope, because I enjoy doing it.

Correction, they are all liberals.

actually they are all corrupt pieces of shit...dems and repug's...they can all go play grab ass in a fed pen if it where up to me,but alas,it is not.

so i will "throw away" lol, my vote and go libertarian or any other third party that has a snoballs chance of derailing the machine!

Don't you see? It's the Whitehouse Agenda mindcontrolling monkeys to impersonate the soldiers and them kill the innocents so that they can frame the soldiers for killing them allowing the liberal media to blame them.

OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. :sniper: