NationStates Jolt Archive

Americans: If you could have a state secede or chucked out the Union, which state would it be, and why?

Just wondering...imagine the potential military might of Oregon or Vermont!

One of the ones in the middle.

Americans: If you could have a state secede or chucked out the Union, which state would it be, and why?

Just wondering...imagine the potential military might of Oregon or Vermont!
Excuse me? Was that sarcasm??! :confused:

Alaska. To stop them drilling it.

Excuse me? Was that sarcasm??! :confused:

The last bit was!

California can go break off to go hang with Hawaii. Alaska can come too. [/The End of the World] :D

The last bit was!
If you ever work up the courage to visit downtown Eugene, Oregon on a saturday, you may regret your jest.

Americans: If you could have a state secede or chucked out the Union, which state would it be, and why?

Just wondering...imagine the potential military might of Oregon or Vermont!

or Dakota....!

Americans: If you could have a state secede or chucked out the Union, which state would it be, and why?

Just wondering...imagine the potential military might of Oregon or Vermont!
PA.

or Dakota....!
Rhode Island FTW!
http://www.constitution.org/mil/ri/mil_usri.htm

all of New England/general northeast.

I wouldn't mind if south Florida broke loose and joined the Carribbean--split it right along the I-4 corridor.

Utah. Then the other states can put up big NO SOLICITING signs to keep the Mormons at bay.

Kanasas or New Hampshire.

I say move everyone out of Kansas ... give them $100 for their trouble ... then fence it off, and put all the violent criminals inside.

Leave the Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka unevacuated, of course.

Alaska. To stop them drilling it.
Funny thing is that the Alaskans would probably drill as fast as they could if they were free from the enviro-wacko antics of the Federal government.

I'd nominate Georgia to secede. We've got the right mix of people for a capitalist paradise.

I never liked Ohio...

Rhode Island FTW!
http://www.constitution.org/mil/ri/mil_usri.htm

Ha! Don't you know, Rhode Island isn't a state, it's a town! The reason is, if you blink, you'll miss it. :D

Americans: If you could have a state secede or chucked out the Union, which state would it be, and why?

Just wondering...imagine the potential military might of Oregon or Vermont!
*thinks*
Iowa! So then we could just take over Canada!

Depending on how the Court rules on south Dakota, either the pro-life states or the pro-choice states should secede, you know, cause that would be fun, two countries dividing the land in an almost random configuration.

If Cali wants to break off though, I don't know if the economy could take it. I get the feeling a lot of Asian trade partners, if forced to choose, would stick by California over the rest of the US.

Delaware

Alaska. To stop them drilling it.
Thatll just give them the goahead to drill...
Id say Texas...

California and Massachuttes.

Connecticut. It was island once before..... It can be one again!

Republic of Texas - Texas, Oklahoma, New Mexico
California Commonwealth - California, Arizona, Nevada
Pacifica - Washington, Oregon, Alaska, Hawaii
New Confederacy - Louisiana, Alabama, Florida, Virginia, Tennessee, etc.
New England Alliance - Maryland, New York, Maine, etc.
Great Plains Federation - Nebraska, The Dakotas, Ohio, Michigan, etc.
Rocky Mtn. Republic - Colorado, Utah, Wyoming, Montana

Sure, I'd probably have to leave Texas...but things would be interesting.

Someone has been playing to much shattered Union :D

Someone has been playing to much shattered Union :D

Actually, someone loved the concept, but was sorely dissappointed with the execution. :(

Actually, someone loved the concept, but was sorely dissappointed with the execution. :(

there I would have to agree with you but it is still somewhat fun to play.

Connecticut. It was island once before..... It can be one again!
connecticut was an island? when was this?

connecticut was an island? when was this?

Brief Explanation:

Couple hundred million years ago. Before the Dinosaurs roamed. After water had settles and the first pangea (SP?) was formed. The continents moved, and with this movement, a small bit of the continent broke off. The continents came back together again, and N. America/S. America was squished into Europe and Africa. The continents broke off again, and the island became connecticut.

Texas, but why let them Secede?!? just get all of the reasonable people out of there and bomb the living hell out of it!!!

Brief Explanation:

Couple hundred million years ago. Before the Dinosaurs roamed. After water had settles and the first pangea (SP?) was formed. The continents moved, and with this movement, a small bit of the continent broke off. The continents came back together again, and N. America/S. America was squished into Europe and Africa. The continents broke off again, and the island became connecticut.
hmm...don't recall that...I was under the impression that new england was pretty static, with the exception of glaciers creating long island sound...hmm...

but hey, I'm all for it! FREE CONNECTICUT! 2.3 children, a golden retriever,birkenstocks, and a yatch for every WASP!

California. The nation's average IQ will suddenly jump 10 points.

California. The nation's average IQ will suddenly jump 10 points.
And GDP will drop 10 points as well.

And GDP will drop 10 points as well.

I thought it was measured in dollars, not points...

Texas, but why let them Secede?!? just get all of the reasonable people out of there and bomb the living hell out of it!!!

I'm not endorsing this plan....but if you go ahead with it, most of the reasonable people have already gathered in Austin.:cool:

Any "red" state would be fine to be moved out of the Union, for me anyway.

Britain.

I thought it was measured in dollars, not points...
10 percentage points. Goddamn...

10 percentage points. Goddamn...

My bad :D

Point is, no more California. Woo!

Go away Texas. Maybe Florida too.

Any "red" state would be fine to be moved out of the Union, for me anyway.

And I would say any "blue" state would be fine but meh. I actually like New York and I live in PA so.....

Or we could bomb ourselves.

there I would have to agree with you but it is still somewhat fun to play.

I'm a big fan of the way things split up in the Crimson Skies continuity.

http://crimsonskiesuniverse.com/universe/nations

California. The nation's average IQ will suddenly jump 10 points.

This should funny.

So what state do you live in.

This should funny.

So what state do you live in.

New Jersey. Banning us would raise the IQ, too. I've had to point on Brazil on a fully labeled map. First I had to point out to the guy that he was looking at Africa. :headbang:

I vote for Florida or Texas. Both are useless wastelands. Hell, I vote for any state south of the Mason-Dixon line.

Funny thing is that the Alaskans would probably drill as fast as they could if they were free from the enviro-wacko antics of the Federal government.

I'd nominate Georgia to secede. We've got the right mix of people for a capitalist paradise.


Yes, there is actually a separatist party in Alaska, but mostly nobody pays them any mind. Still, it's an awesome idea in concept. Never happen though.

My bad :D

Point is, no more California. Woo!

Yes, please! Without the anchor of the rest of the country, California, the most populous, largest economied state in the union would be free to be a world power in it's own right.

California provides more agriculture than any other state. More defense contractors are located in California than in any other state.

California has the most varied environment of any state.

All these "woo, California is teh suck," people are clearly idiots who buy into conservative hype without actually checking the facts.

Also, like most other Blue states, we get less return on our federal taxes. If I recall correctly, the state gets about $1 in federal funding for every $1.25 collected in taxes, while Red States, generally, recieve more federal funding than is collected in their states. An imbalanced amount of pork goes to Red States, who cry "welfare queens!" while sucking at the teat of the Blue States.

Well, California probably should secede just so that it no longer has to worry about some podunk Senator from Kansas telling it what it can and can't do...you guys have enough population and economic strength that you're pretty much a world power in your own right.

California's only vulnerability is the whole power situation; you guys need to produce power in state or else you'll have to worry about an angry US government cutting it off...you're also going to need a source of oil and natural gas, although I think California's technological edge will help solve that problem.

Yes, please! Without the anchor of the rest of the country, California, the most populous, largest economied state in the union would be free to be a world power in it's own right.

California provides more agriculture than any other state. More defense contractors are located in California than in any other state.

California has the most varied environment of any state.

All these "woo, California is teh suck," people are clearly idiots who buy into conservative hype without actually checking the facts.

Also, like most other Blue states, we get less return on our federal taxes. An imbalances amount of pork goes to Red States, who cry "welfare queens!" while sucking at the teat of the Blue States.

Ok, it's time to learn "How to take a joke."

My grandmother, two aunts, one uncle, a cousin, and my brother and his girlfriend live in California. I have visited there on a few occaisions. I'm just fucking kidding about kicking it out, ok?

Maybe we could just air-lift Hollywood out and put it in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, where it can't harm anyone else.

Well, California probably should secede just so that it no longer has to worry about some podunk Senator from Kansas telling it what it can and can't do...you guys have enough population and economic strength that you're pretty much a world power in your own right.

California's only vulnerability is the whole power situation; you guys need to produce power in state or else you'll have to worry about an angry US government cutting it off...you're also going to need a source of oil and natural gas, although I think California's technological edge will help solve that problem.

Nuclear baby. And solar. And wind (we do have lots of windmills already.) Much of the Californian Power Shortage was caused by shady Enron wrangling anyway.

Ok, it's time to learn "How to take a joke."

My grandmother, two aunts, one uncle, a cousin, and my brother and his girlfriend live in California. I have visited there on a few occaisions. I'm just fucking kidding about kicking it out, ok?

Maybe we could just air-lift Hollywood out and put it in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, where it can't harm anyone else.

Maybe it's time to learn to "see a snarky response as humor," oh physician who refuses to heal thyself.

Come on, do you think I really used the word "teat" with a straight face?

Also, like most other Blue states, we get less return on our federal taxes. If I recall correctly, the state gets about $1 in federal funding for every $1.25 collected in taxes, while Red States, generally, recieve more federal funding than is collected in their states. An imbalanced amount of pork goes to Red States, who cry "welfare queens!" while sucking at the teat of the Blue States.
Yes. (http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2004/09/red_states_feed.html)
California gets $0.81 per dollar paid. Of the 10 states getting the most federal funding per dollar paid in taxes, 8 are red states.

Come on, do you think I really used the word "teat" with a straight face?

To be fair, you can't really say "teat" without smiling at least a little.

Maybe some day there will be a tornado powerful enough to lift up Kansas into the air and then make it land in the middle of the Pacific Ocean? :)

Nuclear baby. And solar. And wind (we do have lots of windmills already.) Much of the Californian Power Shortage was caused by shady Enron wrangling anyway.

Well, Enron might not have been so able to do it if California hadn't made the mistake of making almost all of its in-state power dependent on natural gas and concentrated in a few power conduits; that linked the gas and electricity markets and played right in to their hands. At least California's fixing the problem, something that can't be said about other places...

California's always been an innovator...wind, nuclear, hydro, wave, geothermal, and who knows what else in the future are all being brought to the US mainstream by the rapid growth in the state. Hell, I'd honestly say that California is the state best adapted to a world of expensive oil and gas...you'll be the 1970's Japan of the 2000's.

Minnesota should secede, become a monarchy, and make me the monarch in question. :D

Minnesota should secede, become a monarchy, and make me the monarch in question. :D

Only if I can become the duke.

I don't think any states will succeed until the Dakotas decide to settle their differences and become one big Dakota! hahah ok, mental problems.
:D

New Jersey, because thats where I live.

Minnesota should secede, become a monarchy, and make me the monarch in question. :D

I hope you like hot dish and bars.

New Jersey, because thats where I live.

7 out of 10 NYC residents agree;)

Definitely Kansas. No offense to anyone from Kansas, but the Jayhawkers sort of believe in the whole "seven days" thing, so I say boot them, and let Pat Robertson be the President of Kansas, with Flip Brenham as VP. Imagine how much faster the U.S. coudl progress with a Evengelical homeland OUTSIDE the U.S., instead of tryign to make the U.S. the Evengelical Homeland!

7 out of 10 NYC residents agree;)
You underestimate.

My state. I wouldn't mind living in the Republic of New York. But then our leaders would be Hilary Clinton, Pataki...*throws up*

You underestimate.

But, but, NJ is our trash heap... We can't live without our trash heap:( .

Alabama or Texas. Alabama because I don't think it actually serves a purpose (in fact, I can't even place it on a map, if you ask me to), and Texas because it is the Conservative wellspring of all things evil.

My state. I wouldn't mind living in the Republic of New York. But then our leaders would be Hilary Clinton, Pataki...*throws up*

Commandment #1 for conservative speech: Thou must always bring up a Clinton.

Man, if you guys hate the Clintons so much, why do you give them so much free publicity?

The B-52's said it best:

Hoo Hoo Hoo Hoo Hoo Hoo Hoo Hoo Hoo
You're living in your own Private Idaho
Living in your own Private Idaho
Underground like a wild potato.
Don't go on the patio.
Beware of the pool,
blue bottomless pool.
It leads you straight
right throught the gate
that opens on the pool.

You're living in your own Private Idaho.
You're living in your own Private Idaho.

Keep off the path, beware the gate,
watch out for signs that say "hidden driveways".
Don't let the chlorine in your eyes
blind you to the awful surprise
that's waitin' for you at
the bottom of the bottomless blue blue blue pool.

You're livin in your own Private Idaho. Idaho.
You're out of control, the rivers that roll,
you fell into the water and down to Idaho.
Get out of that state,
get out of that state you're in.
You better beware.

You're living in your own Private Idaho.
You're living in your own Private Idaho.

Keep off the patio,
keep off the path.
The lawn may be green
but you better not be seen
walkin' through the gate that leads you down,
down to a pool fraught with danger
is a pool full of strangers.

You're living in your own Private Idaho,
where do I go from here to a better state than this.
Well, don't be blind to the big surprise
swimming round and round like the deadly hand
of a radium clock, at the bottom, of the pool.

I-I-I-daho
I-I-I-daho
Woah oh oh woah oh oh woah oh oh
Ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah
Get out of that state
Get out of that state
You're living in your own Private Idaho,
livin in your own Private.... Idaho

But, but, NJ is our trash heap... We can't live without our trash heap:( .

Thats funny because Staten Island is ours :p

But, but, NJ is our trash heap... We can't live without our trash heap:( .
No, that's Staten Island. They're easily confused.

Double secret jinx probation.

Until they get their murder rates, and infant mortality rates down.

After that, I'll find a few other things.

You underestimate.

You misunderestimated! ;)

You misunderestimated! ;)
I never mistalk.

I never mistalk.

:D

I'd like to kick mexico out of the US.


Aww hell, they ain't even part of the US..sure fooled me with their big talk...

I'd like to kick mexico out of the US.


Aww hell, they ain't even part of the US..sure fooled me with their big talk...

Yeah, Al-Qaeda pales in comparison to those darn mexicans.

I would like to throw out Mass. and take Kerry and Kennedy with em. Maybe drive off a bridge with em. Although Kerry might claim that as a purple heart too.

Yeah, Al-Qaeda pales in comparison to those darn mexicans.
Dey turk mai jurb!

But, but, NJ is our trash heap... We can't live without our trash heap:( .

We changed our state motto a while back. They didn't take the suggestion I sent in.

"Welcome to New Jersey. New York's that way." :p

If any state secedes, it should be Texas, IMO.

Americans: If you could have a state secede or chucked out the Union, which state would it be, and why?

Just wondering...imagine the potential military might of Oregon or Vermont!

hahaha,
i live in both pa and new germany..err..new jersey

i sometimes dream of the great state of pa. detonating (ala superman movie)a nucleur device and letting n.j. slip quietly into the sea.

beachfront property for philly,without the stormtroopers..er state police in n.j...raping my tax dollars to fund a police force to go out and collect highway men taxes in the form of tickets.

yea,i am pissed,i got a tix 2 day for 56 in a 50 in the middle of the pine barrens!
no car in sight for miles,but the statey hiding in the trees,i coulda been doing a hundred and hurt no one but myself,but me being the good subject set my cruise control to 55 and got the...at least i didn't give you a 10+ speeding ticket...huh? i wasnt going 10+,but never argue with a
cop!
rant off.

seriously though,nj is a police state...pa. your free as long as you dont hurt or bother anyone..like it should be.

nj,from their serve and collect mentality of the cops,property taxes,insurance rate..ad nauseam..is kinda like a microcasm of the crooked politico that is wrong with this country.
they have it down to a science here.

but i do love living on the beach:-(

Texas, they could rejoin Mexico and we'd both be better off
Also, I'd kick Chicago/Cook County out of Illinios, I'm sick of explaining how I don't live anywhere near there

Texas, they could rejoin Mexico and we'd both be better off

I doubt that will happen.

Also, I'd kick Chicago/Cook County out of Illinios, I'm sick of explaining how I don't live anywhere near there

LOL.

Commandment #1 for conservative speech: Thou must always bring up a Clinton.

Man, if you guys hate the Clintons so much, why do you give them so much free publicity?

I'm not conservative, she just annoys me.

I'm not conservative, she just annoys me.

I am a liberal and I DO NOT like her. (she is one of those self-proclaimed 'Anti-Video Game Crusaders', and, you guessed it, I am a video gamer)

Anyways, I think Texas should go, hell they have always talked about how independent they are. They should leave TOMMORROW! If for nothing else then seeing the look on Bush's face when he learns that his homestate seceded!

Washington should succeed. We have the Hartford nuclear facility, so we have nukes, we have SURPLUS power, and we control three of the world's mightiest corporations - Boeing, Microsoft, and Starbucks. True, Boeing relocated their HQ to Chicago, but they left their factories in Washington. 95% of Microsoft research is in Redmond, Washington. And Starbucks is based here as well. If Washington were to embargo the rest of the world, the Great Depression would seem like a good day on Wall Street.

We have air power, computer power, and caffeine power. Don't know which one is mightier.

Yeah, Al-Qaeda pales in comparison to those darn mexicans.

OTMs have increased lately..I wonder why...

Texas, they could rejoin Mexico and we'd both be better off
Also, I'd kick Chicago/Cook County out of Illinios, I'm sick of explaining how I don't live anywhere near there

Bah, we'd start a revolution all over again, kick Mexico's ass, Sack Mexico city, humiliate santa anna, and come back to rejoin the US a little richer.

Hey...[lightbulb] got an idea on how to fund that border wall....:D

I am a liberal and I DO NOT like her. (she is one of those self-proclaimed 'Anti-Video Game Crusaders', and, you guessed it, I am a video gamer)

Anyways, I think Texas should go, hell they have always talked about how independent they are. They should leave TOMMORROW! If for nothing else then seeing the look on Bush's face when he learns that his homestate seceded!

I'd love to secede. We've got industry, oil, cattle, womenz..what more could one ask for?

But the country needs us...alas.... We COULD survive on our own if we truly wanted to, but for the sake of the USA, we'll stick around and grace you with our presence.

:D

Take Southern California, please, please, please, pretty please! But wait until I've moved to Colorado.

We should kick out Illinois, just so they'll stop invading my home town. If they hate us hillbillies so much, why do they keep moving here? I swear...

I wouldn't mind if south Florida broke loose and joined the Carribbean--split it right along the I-4 corridor.

Nazz, I want the republic of Miami, for Cubans and other hispanics living there now, LOL.

Republic of Texas - Texas, Oklahoma, New Mexico
California Commonwealth - California, Arizona, Nevada
Pacifica - Washington, Oregon, Alaska, Hawaii
New Confederacy - Louisiana, Alabama, Florida, Virginia, Tennessee, etc.
New England Alliance - Maryland, New York, Maine, etc.
Great Plains Federation - Nebraska, The Dakotas, Ohio, Michigan, etc.
Rocky Mtn. Republic - Colorado, Utah, Wyoming, Montana

Sure, I'd probably have to leave Texas...but things would be interesting.
Someone has played too much "Shattered Union"

We should kick out Illinois, just so they'll stop invading my home town. If they hate us hillbillies so much, why do they keep moving here? I swear...

In Illinois? You want to see "real" ones, take a drive through Appalachia.

No, you misunderstand. I'm from Arkansas, in the Ozarks. I've never even been as far north as Illinois, we just get a lot of folks from Illinois moving down here.

Hawaii... just to see those Solvrency people try to keep things going without the US.

Thou I wouldn't mind California going. then Hawaii can become the International Port for the Pacific.

No, you misunderstand. I'm from Arkansas, in the Ozarks. I've never even been as far north as Illinois, we just get a lot of folks from Illinois moving down here.

Actually it's a posting before reading problem.

That's a hint to head to bed! ;)

Actually it's a posting before reading problem.

That's a hint to head to bed!;)

I know how you feel, its 1:40 AM in Arkansas.:)

Only if I can become the duke.

You got it. :cool:

well, there is pretty much no Arizona anymore, it belongs to hispanics, (and i dont mean to offend, im just speaking the truth!) theres more hispanics (mexicans, idk what they want to be called anymore) than there is white people! so, lets take away, TEXAS!! I hate texas, but move all the hott girls out of there 1st!

We should kick out Illinois, just so they'll stop invading my home town. If they hate us hillbillies so much, why do they keep moving here? I swear...
No, we should kick out arkansas, because you are hillbilies! :headbang: :sniper: :upyours:

at the current rate it might not be too long before there is a state that tries to leave the union or the union just cease to exist all together

No, we should kick out arkansas, because you are hillbilies! :headbang: :sniper: :upyours:

We could do well enough on our own.

Someone has played too much "Shattered Union"

I said exactly the same thing :D

All answers so far in this thread are wrong. The correct answer:

Iraq.

That said, carving up some part of the U.S. out of some area inhabited primarily by wackos isn't such a half-bad idea. Create a wacko homeland there. Fred phelps can be the absolute dictator. They can throw rocks across the border at us. They can blab about wanting to take over the U.S., but every 100 years or so we send in a force to shut them the hell up when they get too uppity and try to invade Illinois or something.