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Are they allowed to just let players go nuts at eachother? I don't get it. In every other sport I've seen a fight in, the refs have broken it up straight away.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4912738355898376345&q=fight

I'm not quite certain of the rules, but they tend to let the players fight until one of them falls...there may also be a time limit on it.

I'm not quite certain of the rules, but they tend to let the players fight until one of them falls...there may also be a time limit on it.
Serious? That's pretty crazy.
Near the end of that video I did notice that as soon as one falls an official or two seem to jump in there.

Serious? That's pretty crazy.
Near the end of that video I did notice that as soon as one falls an official or two seem to jump in there.Yep. You have to keep in mind all the padding that they have on, it would absorb a lot of the shock of a punch.

Theres a couple of differences, between the actions, and the ensuing penalties.

When two players both fight, they both recieve a five-minute penalty.
At that point, they are normally allowed to just go at it, until someone gets hurt.

Thats why Hockey rules.

It's the way all contact sports should be. Let them get it out of their systems, and break it up when the third man comes in. Otherwise the players involved are going to be scrappy for the rest of the game.

THey probably think(and correctly) That it's safer to let them punch eachother for a while than to try to pull apart two hockey players. :)

It's the way all contact sports should be. Let them get it out of their systems, and break it up when the third man comes in. Otherwise the players involved are going to be scrappy for the rest of the game.
Tis true.. But surely refs don't allow fighting in high school games?

Tis true.. But surely refs don't allow fighting in high school games?

My little sister plays high school hockey, and it's true, fighting is not allowed. If players fight, they get game suspensions.

My little sister plays high school hockey, and it's true, fighting is not allowed. If players fight, they get game suspensions.
Ahh ok. Well that's good atleast.. What about college hockey? Fighting allowed there?

Ahh ok. Well that's good atleast.. What about college hockey? Fighting allowed there?
Not sure about that one, but I do know that in college hockey, they still wear those huge-ass face masks. I'd ask my sister, but she's still asleep, heh.

In the NHL, fighting between 2 players is allowed, and I think it is in most of the top leagues in north america at least. As soon as one man goes down the refs jump in, and if I remember rightly, being the 'third man in' in a fight is an instant game misconduct. So, yeah.

Are they allowed to just let players go nuts at eachother? I don't get it. In every other sport I've seen a fight in, the refs have broken it up straight away.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4912738355898376345&q=fight

It's hockey. Don't question it. ;)
Linesmen just jump in when they find it necessary. Usually a fight clears the "air".

It's hockey. Don't question it. ;)
Linesmen just jump in when they find it necessary. Usually a fight clears the "air".
Heh, I see.

I'm just used to a fights being immediatly broken up in rugby.. Although sometimes it takes a while for the ref to have any effect.

It's hockey. Don't question it. ;)
Linesmen just jump in when they find it necessary. Usually a fight clears the "air".

Correct. Most fights occur when a team is down a few goals early, or when a player takes exception to the rough treatment of one of his teammates by the opposing team. This is the role of the enforcer. In the former case, they fight to give their team some much-needed energy, winning isn't even necessary. The latter is to send the message that if the other team wants to cause trouble, they'll have to go through the enforcer. Many players can fight AND score well, like my main man Darcy Tucker, but for the most part, the enforcer is a fourth-liner or second-string D Man who is there because of his physical presence and not his scoring touch.

It should also be noted that for the most part, standard equipment does little to help you if you're in a fight. Helmets are usually knocked off early, and punches are directed primarily at the face, top of the head, and abdomen. As for the rules of the fight themselves, there's to be no weaponry (obviously). Fights go down between two players, that's why a fight will be allowed to go but a line brawl gets broken up. Even the goalies can (and will) fight, as long as it's not a pile up. The fight has the power to remove a lot of tension for them air and it is usually better for two players to go to the sin bin for five than for someone to get over agressive and take a dangerous boarding, hitting from behind or high sticking penalty.

From what I've seen this season, they have been more strict.

thrid man in gets game misconduct and fined....two players are allowed to fight until one or both of them are knocked to the ground...then both of them gets 2 minutes...unless one player started the fight in a manner that the other player HAD to fight back...then the first player gets an instigator 5 min major...
as far as why the refs don't break up the fight before they fall to the ice...it's for the safety of the refs...they aren't wearing 1/2 the pads of the players and they could get really hurt...
also, no fights in hockey, fights ok in college (unless it gets out of hand...but that's up to the refs..)...fights ok in all other "minor" leagues....

that's what i know as a hockey fan....it's fighting...it's hockey...*smiles*...it happens...lol...

Speich

If there is a punch up in rugby, usually other team members break it up and sometimes with help of refs too.. Plus players wear no padding at all.

Surely allowing fights sends bad messages to younger players and what not?

you know, i've heard that "not good for younger players" stuff my whole life...and it's just rubbish...it's just as bad as watching a pitcher throwing a fast ball directly at a player at bat...or the steriods usage...celebrating a touch down in (american) football...or over commercializing of basketball players teaching young people that it doesn't matter about playing on a team...as long as you are a star and can be better than everyone else you don't need a team...you'll get a contract right out of highschool....
there are so many worse thing for kids to see then two people fighting in sports today....but thats just my opinion....

celebrating a touch down in (american) football...
So it's fine for children to see two men smashing eachother but not fine to see a guy beng happy he scored for his team? Lmao..

You're seriously complaining about Hockey fights, of all things?

Not global warming...not the War in Iraq...not global Communism...you're complaining about Hockey fights.

Really puts things in prospective, no?

NHL allows fighting untill clear advantage is gained by one of the two fighters...ie, one is no longer on his feet.
2 on 1 is not permitted
NHL also has the recent "instigator" rule, where if one of the fighters is deemed to have "started it", they get an additional 2 minute penalty.
College hockey and below do not allow fighting.
I think the European leagues are more strict about fighting than over here...I could be wrong about that.
olympic rules tend to follow no fighting, and at that point of skill, there is no point really.

If there is a punch up in rugby, usually other team members break it up and sometimes with help of refs too.. Plus players wear no padding at all.

Surely allowing fights sends bad messages to younger players and what not?

What bad message? That hockey is a very physical sport? That you take the player, not the puck? Tis the nature of the beast, my friend.

First of all only the Lineman Refs are allowed to break up fights. Secondly, the refs will break the fight up if they are able to get in their safely before it starts getting serious. However if punches are already being thrown they usually let it go until someone starts to fall or after a certain amount of time they'll go in there too.

Here's the full rule for "Fisticuffs"

Rule 56 (http://www.nhl.com/rules/rule56.html)

One reason the refs don't get involved until the player(s) are down is simple safety. Everyone is standing on sharp blades, when the player is down, there is significantly less chance of an errant foot slicing you.

BTW I've seen these blades cut into a calf muscle deep enough to require surgery and rehabilitation.

You're seriously complaining about Hockey fights, of all things?

Not global warming...not the War in Iraq...not global Communism...you're complaining about Hockey fights.

Really puts things in prospective, no?
Complaining? Hmm? At first I didn't know the rules, so was asking about them. Then someone says fighting is a better message children than celebrating a touchdown. That was my only complaint. Now that I know the rules (and thank you for those who pointed them out) I am content.

Global Communism? What exactly can I complain about there? I happen to thing that in principal it's a good system, but it's not going anywhere fast. Sure, I'm against the war in Iraq, but I'm past complaining about that. As for global warming, to be honest, I don't quite know enough about it to be complaining.

Edit:Also, those arguements have been pretty thrashed on here anyway. Do we really need more Iraq threads?